WHAT IF: Sansa Kills Joffrey in S1 | Game of Thrones 

Yes, I can see Dorne wanting to get involved because they’ll be like: Wait a minute, we had no justice for Elia and her children being murdered but the Starks got to takedown the Lannisters!? Nope. Sorry, but we want in.”

One thing I believe is that the Hound would never have a redemption arc without Sansa.

I’m not sure Robb Stark would want to be king of the 7 kingdoms... he only cares about being in the North

I don't think Robb would of taken the iron throne and if he did, he probably would of bent the knee to danny and become warden of the North, He never wanted the throne and that would be a perfect opportunity to give it up. It would also show that history repeats itself as there was a North Stark king who bent the knee to save his people. Robb would also become the second stark king that would be remembered as the King who Knelt.

I don’t think Varys would help Dany for 2 main reasons: 1) Dany originally wanted Varys executed because of his hand in sending assassins to her for years. The only reason he wasn’t in the show was because Tyrion, who died in this scenario, was the buffer between the two. 2) the only reason Varys wanted to restore the Targaryen Dynasty was because it was a much better option than the Lannisters post-Tywin death. He only went on the ship to Essos with Tyrion after he heard the Bells ring for Tywin’s death. Varys’s main goal isn’t a Targaryen Restoration like Dorne, but for peace. All he’s ever wanted was peace and prosperity for the little people of Westeros and Robb Stark would bring lots of stability to the realm so I don’t see a reason for him to defect to Dany’s side.

What if Oberyn was placed on the small council earlier? Like before Ned arrived in Kings Landing. I do believe Arya and Sansa's time in Kings Landing would be much easier with Arya possibly being whisked away to Dorne for safety during the coup and Sansa having someone to talk to and confide in with Oberyn and Ellaria.

Thank you for bringing the “what if” vids back! I’ve been waiting so long

What if Robert wasn’t injured during his rebellion and confronted Jamie and the Mad King instead of Ned.

I clicked on this video faster than season 8 ruined the show

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What if Arya killed Joffrey on the road to King’s Landing?

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WHAT IF Sansa does move fast enough to push Joffrey to his death, but the Hound moves fast enough to grab her before momentum can carry her over the edge?

I feel like some how Robb would learn the truth about Jon and force him to become King saying that he's the heir to the iron throne and he needs someone he can trust on the throne as there needs to be a stark in winter fell always. I could see him learning it from the maesters and at the latest by Bran.

I believe Robb said to Talisa that he has no interest in ruling Westeros and was only wanting to rule the independent north. It’s possible he could rule temporarily until Tywin is dealt with but I don’t see him being King of the seven kingdoms after that. Ultimately I think it’d be an hour of the wolf kind of scenario like when Cregan Stark resigned as hand in the books. Great video though. I always enjoy listening to these what if scenario videos 😁

What if Tyrion runs for the horse instead of saving Caitlin when they were attacked on the way to the vail by the mountain tribes

Oberyn is normally a sword-fighter, so I think he would use a sword to fight Jaime. He used the spear when he fought the Mountain to match the reach of the big guy's giant super-sword.

I love the way you wrote the scene between Oberyn and Jaime. Top notch, my dude

What if Robb beheads Jamie after Ned is beheaded by Joffrey?

I love this topic. I was an early Sansa fan bc of this scene. From the first time I saw it, I could tell where the character was going. There was a long time where Sansa would get a lot of hate, I was like y'all just don't get Sansa yet.

What if Missandei before she gets executed, because Cersei is standing so close to her wraps her chained arms around Cersei and forces them both to fall off the wall killing them both? Honestly this was my only thought when I was watching that episode because it’s so stupid how close Cersei gets to her and how close they are to the edge and honestly the mountain and everyone else is too far to then stop her before it happens

I always thought that the North and Dorne would find some kind of common ground. Both have different cultures from the rest of Westeros. Both wronged by royalty. And if I remember correctly Ashara and Ned had something going on before shit hit the fan.

what if aegon th3 Succeeded in bringing back dragons

omg, imagine that, robb using ice to behead tywin lannister, using the same greatsword that took his fathers head

If Sansa killed Joffery and died in the act Cercei would definitely want it kept quiet that Sansa did it and died too because the Starks have Jaime. If they have no Stark hostages to hold for Jaime's safety his life is forfeit. If it gets out that Sansa did it, but they didn't publicly punish her people will wonder. If it gets out that Sansa did it, but also died in the attempt they'll wonder why Arya isn't being publicly punished. They'll then figure out Arya is either already dead or escaped. No more Stark hostages, no reason to keep Jaime alive.

Make a what if joffrey married sansa instead of margery

I disagree with the idea of Dany taking King's Landing. She does have dragons, yes, but it's very different than Aegon centuries beforehand. Aegon and his sister wives had dragons that were much much older than Dany's, And although the idea of dragons is naturally terrifying to people, centuries have passed since the conquest, so things like scorpions would be much more prevalent, like we saw in the show. We know dragons can be killed even if they're much older than Dany's by just normal arrows, And her three dragons are only a few years old, I don't think there's any way those three dragons can take an entire city. I also don't think the Tyrell army switches to the Targaryen side, because they have no benefits to it. I imagine with Rickon or Bran being around, Robb is able to marry Margaery Tyrell to Rickon as the Lord of Winterfell, since Dany would already have married at this point, and remember, the last time anyone saw the Targaryen in Westeros, it was the Mad King, as well as decades of bad kings before him. With Robb as a KNOWN good King, I can't imagine anyone switching to Dany's side.

I'm not sure why Sansa's momentum would have carried her over the edge with Joffrey? Unless she literally leapt at him, her momentum would have dissipated in the act of planting her feet to push. It's a shame the video chose this route because it'd have been interesting to see how The Hound reacted. He already felt sorry for Sansa and he'd have to make a snap decision to either arrest her or protect her from Meryn Trant.

25:31 the only reason Jorah wasn't killed on the spot or exiled when he returns to Dany in the show is that he brought her Tyrion, who is dead at this point in this story, as a gift. I think his story would be very different

What if Domeric Bolton managed not be killed by Ramsay? What if Sansa was already betrothed to a northern family? Or literally anyone else? What if Lyanna lived? What if Cersei actually gave birth to Robert’s children or the baby they lost survived? What if the Tyrells make a marriage alliance with the Starks? What if Ned was fostered elsewhere in Westeros?

5:05 if anything, they’ll think Arya is dead or yeah, just not there anymore because Cersei would’ve made a big spectacle of having her. Edit: Yup, just like that.

What if Yoren, Arya and Gendry and Hotpie made it to the wall

Another thing to consider: Bran coming back could have had him telling everyone about Jon's heritage. That would change a lot.

There's one part of this scenario you didn't cover...assuming Jon's lineage gets out still, how would that effect your story? Would Dany kill Jon because he's the rightful heir? If this was found out prior to the battle for Kings Landing between Dany and Robb, would Robb have stepped aside for Jon? What if Jon, in this scenario, still found a way to ride Rhaegal...would that have changed Dany's victory? I'm curious how it would have played out in your version of this "Sansa Kills Joffrey" story?

What If Caitlyn Stark had suggested a trial by combat to Renly and Stannis Baratheon? To decide who would become king instead of deciding to have a battle.

I think Sansa would have initially survived pushing Joffrey. And I think there’s a chance the Sandor would have intervened and escaped with Sansa before Cersei intercepted them.

Suggestion for a what if video: What if Stannis Baratheon didn't leave King's Landing after Jon Arryn died? What do you think he would have done with Ned Stark to try and uphold the true line of succession for the Baratheon line?

Robb would give up the iron throne to stannis

What if Janos Slynt had friends at the capital

Would've loved to see how king Joffrey would stick the landing in King's Landing.

14:14 hold it, what? How? Did Cersei finally use her intelligence and grew up? What happened?

Lol no, this is just a fanfic where you ignored the Vale being in littlefinger's hands all the time, the Tyrell ambition of getting Renly in the throne, Stannis claim, that Casterly rock would need a long siege to fall, the comming of winter and the fact that the Westerlings were traitors from the start. This just plays into thinking the starks could do the impossible, Varys and Littlefinger not playing their games, and that the north being ravished by the krakens won't be an issue.

I have some disagreements with this what if scenario. Robb may not even agree to a trial by combat, as they are a practice of the Faith of the Seven and Robb worships the Old Gods. Trials by Combat are based on the judgement of the gods, and the north believes the old gods have no power in the south, so I don't think Robb would allow Tywin one. Also regarding Stannis I think you got it way wrong. Robb doesn't care about being king. He doesn't want the Iron Throne. He would be content with being the Lord of Winterfell. And with all the Lannisters gone or in exile, Stannis would be the rightful king to the public. Robb's bannermen would not want him as king on the Iron Throne. They don't care for southron politics. Robb follows law, which is why he refuses to support Renly. He would be fine with bending the knee to Stannis knowing his family was avenged, and Ned's wish was fulfilled. And Stannis would "pardon" Robb, as he would be ultimately at the mercy of the northmen.

One thing is that I think they would freeze the water at Eastwatch and just march across the side

I miss these!! Where have you been?!? Glad to have you back this was a good one

What if Sansa married Tommen Baratheon

That fight scene bro! Expertly done!!!! I was so hooked.... Man this is your best what if video ever.

Could you do a What if Ned got betrothed to Ashara at the Tourney at Harrenhal?

As a British person, I am absolutely living for your misplaced accents! ❤

What if Oberyn killed the Mountain at the trial of Tyrion? Would everything remain the same, with Tyrion killing his father and going to Danny?

If Sansa died in King's Landing, Jaime would have been executed on the spot. The only reason Jaime isn't executed after Ned died is because the Lannisters have Sansa.

See, I don't think they take Castley rock. A castles purpose is to allow a smaller number of people to hold out against a larger number of people for as long as possible winning the conflict by attrition. The show version is very underwhelming but the true Castley rock is half a kilometre high of hollow sea mountain reinforced with innumerable halls and bastion's. The stark army does not have the capacity or technology to take it by storm, I think you would need either dragons or cannon. The only option would be to lay seige and try and starve them out, but the Rock has a port built into the caves and Lannisters have naval superiority allowing for resupply, especially if you add the Red Wyne fleet. I think the decisive battle of Rob Vs Tywin when would probably play out similar to Caesar against Vercingetorix at Alessia. With a double siege of the combined Lannister-Reach army trapping Rob's forces against the coast in a hammer and anvil between the rock and Tywin. Rob might realise his position earlier break off the siege and choose to meet Tywin in open battle, but even then, In a battle of that scale, I honestly don't know who would win, but both sides might understand that destruction on this level would be mutually destructive and come to terms before blood is shed.

What if jon stays with the wildlings

i think that Robb may have given the throne to stannis as thats what his father wanted

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Tywin is too concerned with his legacy to pick his son for a trial by combat. Especially because a win is not a sure thing Jamie would have been a prisoner for months unable to train and exercise this would hurt his abilities. Tywin would find someone else to pick.

OK I have a what if I wanted to see forever but it's on the unlikely side. What if Littlefinger had somehow killed Brandon Stark. Obviously hes not gonna beat him in a straight fight but maybe Brandon lost his footing or something.

At least Sansa finally being useful in her life as she kills Joffery

Glad tae see you back. You should do audio stories. You are a good narrator. Only thing I think might be different is Daenerys attacking Kings Landing. She wouldn't just attack, she would offer surrender first. Rob really isn't an idiot. He made mistakes but tactically he knows his stuff. If Daenerys were to make a good offer (Mercy, keep Rob as her Hand, Help rebuilding the North, etc) then I think Rob would be the second Stark king to Kneel. He is the sort to sacrifice his own pride for the lives of others after all. Since Daenerys knows the truth of her father, she could make it clear that as Queen, she will heal the wounds.

I think one thing you forget is that if Sansa’s dead and Robb has already determined Arya isn’t in King’s Landing, then nothing’s stopping Robb from killing Jaime and this is something Tywin would be VERY well aware of

That cop out at the begining killing Sansa was ass, I wanted to know what Cersei would do to her

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Sorry to disagree but Dont think a lot of this would be accurate. Mainly Littlefinger’s role. Remember it was LF who started the Starks and Lannister conflict. He wanted that chaos. So it’s highly unlikely that he will openly support the Starks or have the Vale do so as he wants the chaos between stark and Lannister. Also remember it was LF who brokered an alliance with Tyrell and Lannister. But Renly is still alive at this point and highgarden behind him. If LF supported the Starks then he couldn’t broker the alliance with Tyrell and Lannister. And when LF did broker this alliance, he lied that the Lannister’s still had Arya to Cat. Remember in the books LF had a fake Arya marry Ramsey. To keep the chaos it’s likely LF would something similar would happen here. The Lannister’s already believed it’s possible Arya has already died and played it like they still have her. No one knew where the real Arya was in the original version and that’s not likely to change just because Sansa/Joffrey is gone. Also you mention Robb stark on the iron throne but Robb has no interest in the iron throne. He only wants the North and Riverlands. He said as much. While it’s fun to go down this rabbit hole. Considering when Sana’a would have pushed Joffrey, It’s likely nothing major changes until the purple wedding would have taken place. Tommen just takes Joffrey’s place. LF produces a fake Arya, ala the books. And everything else for Starks, Lannister, Tyrell, Stannis and Rely remain the same Joffrey’s main role in the conflict was killing Ned And dying at the purple wedding, he had no real impact on anything in between. This was after Ned’s death so the first big change wouldn’t come until purple wedding. Sansa’s main role in the conflict in the role was marrying Tyrion. This likely wouldn’t happen or need to happen as without Sansa, the Tyrells won’t try to marry her to Loras so Tywin won’t need to rush a wedding to Tyrion. So if LF does get a fake Arya as a stand in, like he does in the books, then Sansa dying here won’t have a real impact until the purple wedding would have taken place. Since there likely won’t be a murder or Tyrion imprisoned. So the impact of this one scene wouldn’t matter until 3 seasons later

I think the Red Witch convinces Jon that he has to meet with Danny. After Stannis dies, she goes off to Danny to serve her and speak to her able being the lord of the light, and I think she knows about The Walkers. Jon knowing Danny has dragons, he still reaches out to her and tries to convince her to join his brother in the war. Naturally she would resist, because Jon would be an enemy but Baristan Selmy would convince her to do a truce temporarily, similarly to what they tried to do with Cersei. Ser Jorah would also cosign because Jon will be the one to tell him about his father’s death, and return his family sword to him. Seeing that his father gave Jon his sword, he will know that they could trust Jon Snow.

33:44 there’s a way around the wall, and he can freeze water to get around it on the coast

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I don't think you can legitimately assume Sansa dies there. She probably is killing in response.

Good to see you back

The Boltons were plotting against the Starks from the beginning, I don’t think anything would’ve changed that. Remember when Ramsay took back Winterfell he burned it and Rose told him that the ironborn did it all while Robb still had Jamie and the Karstarks were still in the fold.

So what do you think would happen to Bran, Rickon, and Catelyn Stark after Dany takes KL? Would Winterfell still belong to the Starks, or would it be given to someone else? Also what happens to Myrcella?

I don't think that Daenerys attacking Robb as if he was Cersei or Joffrey is that realistic... I mean, she had had Barristan Selmy on her side, and he really liked Ned Stark, so he probably would tell Dany that Robb is a good dude as soon as Robb took the Iron Throne. Plus, Jorah Mormont also thought that Ned was an honorable man, so he would be hesitant to just outright kill Robb as well. And the man himself wouldn't even want to be King of the Seven Kingdoms, so there might just be a more or less peaceful transition once Robb hears about Dany's good deeds in Essos. He may even become the second Stark king to kneel to a Targaryen.

Wouldnt robb have taken kings landing, done all you said, declared the north independent and pissed off back home?

I’m totally nerding out here but I’d really love to see a plot where Cersei and Tommen are captured, Cersei either banished or executed, and Tommen taking the black, with John Snow taking Tommen under his wing type deal

viper vs jaime 1) Viper cuts of jaime's both forearms off 2) Viper gets killed because of being ignorant like he was against the mountain in the alternate reality 3) Jaime gets his both legs crippled / paralysed for life due to the Dorish poison and also both his arms are cot off too

Could you do a follow up for some of your earlier what ifs where you update the stories for what has happened since those videos were made?

Next suggestion What if Jon and Dany didn't break up and also that Euron doesn't pull any bull shit because everyone knows all of what he did was BS

Sansa had the best story arc of anyone in the series. She went from scared helpless doe to a strong confident capable woman. The Queen In The North! Also, Rob is not likely to fight for the Iron Throne. He'd be more like "Iron Throne? Have at it."

I think the Night King would be able to get through the wall because of the mark he left on Bran while he was warging. He was able to get through the children of the forest cave once he marked Bran and guessing that was the same magic that was on the wall.

The smartest thing Robb should have done was join with Stannis! The Nofth with Stannis would have dominated!! Stannis had ships and numbers as well.

Didn’t you already do this one here a suggestion what if white Walkers attacked during Robert Baratheon rein

I really don’t think that Varys would join Dany if Rob became king. He would be a just and kind king, someone who would look out for the small folk. That was the only thing Varys wanted. Littlefinger on the other hand would be the one we’d have to worry about. He would try to sow seeds of distrust among the Lords of Westeros and would immediately ally with Daneryes from the shadows. He’d be the biggest threat.

Sansa for even a chance of Robb winning seems like a good trade off in my opinion.

I dont't think Robb would sit on the Iron Throne, the question is why should he? He just wanted independence for the North and would probably support Stannis as king. I know, Stannis said his "all rebels will be crushed" thing, but after defeating the Lannisters and some negotiations i could see Stannis accepting the independance of the North as reward for Neds loyalty and Robbs dealing with the Lannisters. Would that change much to your story? Probably not, except there is a North probably willing to help with the Dead and the Starks are alive and well until Daenerys destroys Stannis and then this raises the question of the independent North

For the millionth time LOL, What If Margaery Tyrell got pregnant with Renly Baratheon on their wedding night?

I think the dead would find the Horn of Joramun buried in the snow, and use it to break the wall - and the 3 eyed raven would still be heavily involved.

You're not thinking like George RR Martin. You have to assume everything will go terribly wrong

What if the Sept of Balor Explosion blew up the whole of Kingslanding during the Green Trial?

I stand with another few commenters, I don’t think Robb would keep the throne, he would pass it to another once the Lannister family is dead! Remember his intentions were to rule the North! As his father did and his grandfather before! He would seat a fit ruler, maybe a Tully or a point a 7 council senate to rule over the 7 kingdoms! Much better option!

Varys, I think, would stay in Westeros. I don't know if Robb would accept him on his small council, I doubt it ... But I do think he would stay. Another point ... is that with Bran returning to Westeros implies having him with Robb. I don't think Dany really has such a clean hand, of reaching out and taking it all. Bran would know exactly where Dany comes from, even though he is this cyborg of all knowledge, he still showed interest in his family (Enough to bring Baelish to justice). Now, what can the most powerful Warg do against three magical animals. It's speculation, but if he puts his mind to it, he could finish Dany as fast as Melisandre finished Renly. Letting dragons be an Essos problem. But, what I do think would happen, is that yes, Dany would arrive with "high self-esteem." But I think she would not attack immediately. She thought about it in the series because she was attacking Cersei, but with Robb, she would go her common route and try to parley, as she did everywhere she tried to conquer. Give the "Daughter of the Storm" speech and all that. How the Starks would react to it. It's speculation, but I do see a Robb bending the knee like his ancestor did. But in details ... If Robb wins the war it would be like in season 4. Daenerys still not reaching her maximum power in Essos. Which would give Robb time to materialize ties and rule Westeros. And not only that ... Players to the GoT will start to move accordingly. Talyssa as much as Robb loves her, she's not even noble. Immediately she would be in the crosshairs of most Westeros families, and part of the Essos aristocracy. Knowing the world of GoT, the immediate danger to a King Robb, is an assassination attempt on his wife and son / daughter. I would even see a Varys speeding up this. Talyssa as a concept is a no, no. One greater than Daenerys's "breaking the wheel." I see, more feasible, Varys hiding with a noble house in Westeros while mobilizing an assassination to secure a Stark-Tyrell / Hightower / Martell / Westerlands union. And thus, solidify a more secure King Stark on the throne. But yeah... Talyssa is a goner. As soon as Robb takes Kings Landing

I have only read the books. the books and series must be quite different, but I think this is a good vid lol

What if Robb got head of Gregor Clegane and sent somebody to Dorn to make an alliance with them?

What if Tywin didn't order Rhaegar's children to die

What if Joffrey had fallen into Ramsey's hands?

Robb Stark wont sit at the Iron Throne. His only motivation for War is to take Sansa and Arya and kill the boy King Joffrey. If he knew Sansa and Joffrey is dead, he might just attack Casterly Rock only. Leave Jaime dead there and return to the North. As he do that, while Crossing the Twin's Bridge on the Wedding of Edmure, he will Recieve Arya. Two things might Happen that moment, either he Marches to Casterly Rock and risk another War just to insult Tywin and kill Jaime, or return to Winterfell and be the King of Winter, Trident, and Vale. He might just do only that. Though Stannis won't allow it. Stannis will still claim the Iron Throne and will badly lose the Battle of the Blackwater. But he might not go to the North anymore. The wall. Maybe he'll just wage a War to Kingslanding again and there after Dies. He only has the Stormlands and Tywin had Westerlands and the Reach. So there might be 4 Kings after that. King Robb Stark, King Tommen "Baratheon", King Balon Greyjoy, and King Duran. Defenitely the Martells of Dorne will not declare themselves to the Iron Throne anymore of they know King Robb was a stronger force. Plus they hate the Lannisters. They might declare to King Robb but it is too far away so more likely, they declare themselves King. There will still be plans to kill Tywin and the Mountain by the Martells but they prolly not gonna yeild to them once they know that they lost 3 or 4 Kingdoms. Plus, Dorne is impregnable, even with Dragons.

Can you please do what if Cersei won against Danerys during the battle of kings landing

I think that Robb will give Daenerys the Iron Throne so the North keeps Neutral and all happy :)

This story MASSIVELY underrates Tywin. There is no scenario in which the North just marches south and just takes Casterly Rock and then King's Landing with absolutely zero resistance. Even if the Red wedding wouldn't take place, there are so many other schemes that could be used to similar effect. This is without even mentioning that if Robb has such an upper hand, Stannis & Renly would likely form an alliance and challenge the Starks before they ever get to King's Landing. It is said in the books that Renly had over 50,000 fighting men in his army plus whatever Stannis had. They also had all the food to actually provision the army, whereas the North would struggle greatly to feed their army so far from home, with no good method of transporting food down South. Also, I don't buy that Oberyn would defeat Jaime so easily or even win at all. Defeating the Mountain is one thing, but GRRM has said many times that Jaime is the best fighter of his generation - the best fighter alive depending on how Ser Barriston's skills have maintained.

What about Brianne? She’s still in service to Katlyn Stark, and since Katlyn never freed Jamie , he and Brianne don’t have a developed relationship yet. She could serve as the Starks champion

I think there’s a good chance the dog may be quick enough to save Sansa but not Joffrey.

This is the greatest “what if” episode ever. This is the only “what if” that delves from to start to finish and even goes into what the finale would be and the aftermath