Thank you for this great and useful data. I am currently using an Optishot 2 device, and my room allows me to be 7 foot from the net, and I have 6 foot behind to put the Garmin. Your work here convinced ne that I can use the R10 without modifying my current setup. Thank you VERY much, great work.
Thanks mate! Yes it's a video I desperately wanted before I bought my R10 as I wasn't sure I had enough space! Turns out I had plenty because even at the minimum ranges this thing works great!
Thanks mate! It's exactly what I wanted before I built my setup and couldn't find it anywhere so I thought I'd do it lol. Glad it helped. For confined space I can't recommend a photometric based unit enough though. A used GC2 or skytrak.. skytrak should have dropped in price now with the new one being released or just around the corner from being released. Cheers
How small of space are using the R10 in? Do you have ball to screen vs unit to ball measurements? I’ve got a smaller space and would like to know if it’s still possible to get an R10 setup. Thanks.
Thanks, finally someone who unpacks the topic in a scientific but yet still practical way. Helps a lot if you plan to build a simulator with space (and budget) restrictions
Thank you for the great video!! Now I can stop sweating over that 1'! 7 feet to screen with about 8 Inches behind the screen to wall is about all I can do to keep the indoor sim dream alive!
Hey mate sorry for the late reply! Yes I remember doing this test and I was actually really surprised myself with the results 😂. I kept expecting to see a massive drop off where it started giving crazy reads but it just didn't happen. With those distance though a camera based unit may be better for you.. used GC2 would be great Or skytrak Cheers
Nice break down. I wonder if the results would have been better on the 6ft ball to screen if you had moved to 7 ft ball to device. The field of view for the Garmin might expand and be able to read the 9 iron launch a bit better. Also, I wonder if the RCT ball was making a difference. Would have liked to see a series of shots with a regular ball to see if there's a difference in the data at each position. Maybe a follow up video of just 7ft ball to screen setup comparing results between the RCT and a regular ball...
Hey Nicholas yes both very good points! The wider field of view point was good I hadn't thought about that but if I was in that situation and had that extra foot I would definitely put it on the ball to screen side vs ball to unit side. Honestly it was a bit scary hitting that close to the screen! Lol. I had planned to do a follow up video to see if the R10 was calculating the spin with the RCT from closer as I am almost certain it isn't as you get to that 7 and 6 ft ball to screen. I think it's definitely still usable from 7ft.. but like the results showed it was just starting to see some degradation in the carry length (due to spin being a little higher). But yes I'll definitely add that in to the follow up video in the new year. Thanks for the comment!
Great video Joe. Are you seeing the same shot shapes with the shorter distance with ball to screen? I'm wondering especially with driver and higher ball speeds that it won't pick up a draw or fade the same if you had a greater distance from ball to screen.
Hey Chris I didn't see any degradation in shot shapes from any distance but I'm going to move it back to 7ft ball to screen in the next few days to test if it's reading spin from there so I'll double check shot shape. Cheers
I've only had my Garmin for a few days but so far it has been great. Outdoors I found that it was within 2-3 yards on 99% of the balls I hit (balls that I could easily verify distance anyway, LW through 6 iron). In my garage where I have 6.75 feet from unit to ball and 9 to 9.5 feet from ball to net I find I'm about 5 yards longer than outdoors at the range. I'm hitting expensive balls in the garage and range balls at the range though, so I think that is pretty good agreement and good results inside. Also, I'm just using the garmin range app at the moment. Very happy so far.
Thats great to hear! I've also found the Garmin app distances to be good but just the interface that lacks a bit. I love the spread sheet view that awesome golf has it's fantastic for data it reminds me of the foresight data viewer. But when you can if you're in to sim golf there's nothing like GS Pro!
Great content as usual from your channel! Thanks! I wonder if your distance to the screen is adequite when using rct balls and that may cause misreads of the best drives. Thats because rct balls need minimum 2 rounds of spin before the screen according to Garmin info. If you smash hard with minimum spin like 2000 rpm, it may be on the edge.
Great review. It would be also good to confirm if the R10 was actually reading spin or estimating spin as you got closer to the screen. I believe the Garmin golf app will show this with either non-italics or italics on the spin number in the app.
Thanks mate yes I was going to confirm this later on next week. But I would hazard a guess to say it is estimating the spin especially with driver as the spin I'm seeing from 6ft ball to screen matches when I use a regular pro v1 from my usual 9 to 10ft ball to screen. Cheers
Great video and very helpful. I would be interested to see what the results would be if Almost balls or SCI-Core balls were used. Building a small sim in my garage with limited space. I will be 7' from the screen with 6' from the R10 and using SCI-Core Balls. Still a gamble to purchase everything without certainty it will work properly lol.
Hey Kerry thank you! In my further testing the SCI CORE are just not getting consistent reads and really seem to struggle with club data which is strange. With that kind of space hmmmm it's probably a lot easier and more functional to get a camera based unit like skytrak or used GC2. The GC2 data with the sci core looked better and more consistent than the R10 data.
@@JLagGOLF Thank you for the reply and information. This is exactly the honesty I needed to help decide on my purchase. Looking forward to more great content!
another great video. i'm going through them all now ;) my setup is 6/8 and i see sometimes issues with fullfull 60deg that has carry of 60-70m. it sometimes doesn't read it at all...
Hey Jonathan thanks for that mate. So I did try and do that for a subscriber and I started to get a lot of no reads especially the higher launching shots and lower launching shots. I suspect this is because it's outside the window the Garmin can "see". If you imagine a cone of radar energy coming out of the Garmin if you start putting the ball too close to it then if you hit too high or low it will be outside that window. Cheers
Thanks for a great in-depth analysis. Do you have a driving range as part of the default app and device? Do you have to pay a subscription fee to have the driving range? I don’t really care about playing courses were just like a driving range simulation with good data. Thanks
Thanks mate. Yes you get the Garmin driving ranges out the box for free. There are a few different ones that offer different things. Of course there is a standard range but then you have others that have island greens and things to aim at. You also get e6 driving ranges, chipping area and 5 free courses that you can enter practice mode in and use them like a range (the e6 licence is for iOS only though so you will need an iPhone or iPad to use it). If you then want another option that you pay for check out awesome golf as that is some of the best practice and range software out there.. it is quite expensive though for what you get. Cheers
I was measuring up distances this arvo as I am space limited (approx 6m/20ft), and was kinda bummed seeing the general recommendation for distances and thought the R10 would be a no go for me once I take into account a hitting net. I know you have the Spornia SPG7, do you know the length from the rear of the net to the actual 'impact' net/screen? I am hoping to grab a Spornia too, but it seems like it may be a bit too long in my limited space and maybe I need to go for something such as the Net Return (only 1.1m deep). What are your thoughts? Seeing this video, now I am pumped again lol. Love your work Joe!
Thanks mate! Yeah it's a video I wanted when I was going to get mine so I was like I'm going to make it! Lol. I can do a measurement on Saturday as I'll have the Spornia up but it's roughly 2 feet I'm gonna say from the back to the actual drop sheet that you hit into. I'll get a more accurate measurement Saturday. The R10 is great.. 6ft unit to ball and 8ft ball to screen. Yes you're most likely not going to get accurate backspin numbers even with an RCT ball with driver as depending on speed the ball won't do its required number of revolutions.. but the estimate is not too far off and you will lose a bit of distance from it. Irons though should be accurate! I was amazed when I filmed the video I kept thinking ok surely this is where I'm going to see some massive difference and nope.
@@JLagGOLF Hi again Joe, any chance you were able to grab a rough measurement? Also I have another question for you mate. As my setup will be ourdoors, I would have to pack up the launch monitor each time I've finished. Would I be giving myself headaches having to set up the R10 each time, or is it literally a 10 second job if I have marked where it's supposed to go? Otherwise, I have considered looking at a GC2, as I would love to have putting available.
Great video. Thanks. What is the absolute minimum you reckon ball to the unit. That is the bit I have am struggling for. 6ft is absolute max. 5 to 5.5 ft for me would be ideal. Thank you kindly
Hey mate in the testing I did after the video I found that if I moved the unit 5ft from ball to unit it started to miss a few shots in particular the higher launching ones 9 iron and below. I think for me personally 6ft minimum but if you have no choice then start creeping it a bit closer and hopefully you don't have any mis-reads. Cheers
Hey mate thanks for that! So favourite app is Awesome Golf! It is by far the most accurate in terms of data (definitely check out the video I did against my Foresight GC2). It was actually incredible how close it was for carry distance against my GC2.. if you have PC then you can't go past GS Pro! It is absolutely fantastic and offers sooooo much in terms of Sim golf and also data. It came a VERY close second in terms of data to the Awesome Golf App.
I gotta say how disappointed I am with my garmin. I’ve had it a week and cannot seem to get accurate numbers above 9 iron. I’ve hung curtains over metal, turned lights out, built a faraday cage, 8 ft from ball to screen, unit is 6 feet behind ball, bought a laser level for alignment. I just cannot get my irons or driver to read over 150 yards consistently. It must be my room setup, but I can’t stretch it out any more. Sad to say after months of research and finally committing to buy, this thing will be for sale soon if I can’t figure it out.
Hey mate that's very odd.. you should have enough room as you are still within the minimum requirements of the Garmin! Are you able to test it outdoors? Have you played golf indoors before? Whenever I go to a new indoor place I'm really scared to swing hard. It would be also really good if you had the opportunity to take it to say an indoor golf centre and test it in a different environment. I have found indoors photometric based launch monitors easier as you don't need to worry about any interference with the radar. Hope you can get it sorted! I love my R10
Thanks for the reply! I’ve had an optishot in the same room for about a year. I did figure out a couple of things, and got some better numbers. Your alignment video showed me where setup was wrong. I’ll be playing a real round Tuesday, so we’ll see if my swing or if it’s the Garmin. Also unplugging the deep freezer seemed to help lol. Thanks for all the videos!
Great video. Very informative. Any plans on doing one on launch monitor to ball distance comparisons? I’m personally limited to 12ft combined launch to ball and ball to net so I’m 5ft launch to ball and 7ft ball to net. (6ft ball to screen is not a good option for a driver with my set up) I could extend the launch to ball a few feet by knocking down a wall. I want to know it it’s worth it first.
Thanks Pete! I didn't have that in the plans but I could put mine at 5 and 7 feet and see how that works if you're interested? Then you can compare it to my baseline data. As a side note I do think it's better to maximise ball flight time as it gives the radar more time to read everything. So I think in your situation I would do 5ft unit to ball and 7ft ball to screen. Cheers
Thanks. Yes id be interested in a video like that. Or even just your results. I think a few more people with limited space would also be interested as sky track would be the other alternative Cheers.
@@petecollins588 sounds good I'll try get it done in the next few days and drop the results in the description. Yes skytrak is a good option but that delay would do my head in... Wish they would come out with an updated version with 2 cameras and a better processor! Cheers
Hey Tony my ceilings are 2.7m so almost 9 feet. I would assume that wiling height would only impact what club you could hit unless there is something on the ceilings that could potentially cause interference. But that's interesting though and I'm not sure as I can only give you my set up results. I have hit the roof a few times swinging the driver when I'm trying to give it everything hahaha
@@JLagGOLF Hey Joe, thanks for doing this comprehensive test. I just received my r10 and tested mostly with 8 iron outside from various swing lengths (1/4, 1/2, 3/4 and full). Used the Garmin app and distances displayed matched spot on to what I stepped off as part of my testing. I have 6’ from r11 to ball and 10’ from ball to net in garage, however shot distances where shorter by 10-15 yards. I have a lot of metal shelving and stuff on the sides, plus concrete floor, and hitting closer to one side, so assume I need to clear some space, maybe get closer to the middle of my garage to see if that helps get same indoor to outdoor results. I have also tried the E6 Connect simulator and distances are still not matching. There are differences with the Garmin app and E6, but haven’t really recorded result deviations yet. Any thoughts on interferences that impacts indoor data? I did see an altitude, temperature and humidity adjustment does change results, so if 8 iron outside is 160 yards compared to 145 yards inside, then adjust these three settings as needed to get inside distance to the same 160 yards. I haven’t done this, nor calibrated the r10, but would like your insight if this is valid. Lastly, you can swing a full driver with 9’ ceilings? I have the same, yet to give it a go out of fear of hitting the ceiling💥 🙁
@@RWCARC Hey Randal no problems mate and thanks for the comment. Yes I would definitely say try cover or clean up the shelving. I have metal shelves both sides of my garage and those black curtains serve as a dual purpose to prevent shanks hitting the walls (from the kids) but more importantly block all that potential interference caused by the shelves. I have heard a lot of people talk about concrete causing interference I haven't found this but I covered it up mostly for looks and also sound proofing. A lot of people play with the altitude setting to match outside results however for me this would be a last resort because I really don't think it's necessary. Indoor swing syndrome is also a very real thing. I hope you can figure it out and let me know how you go! Yes driver indoors for me is sporting haha I've hit the ceiling a few times when I'm absolutely trying to kill it. Cheers
Does further Unit-to-Ball make any difference? Eg. 7' or 8'? What if you go beyond 8'? If 6-8' is in a walk way but under a shelf is at 9', would that be a problem?
Joe - I am thinking of getting the Garmin R10 for the garage. I just have a single stall garage so i would need to put my hitting area about 3 to 5 feet from the side wall. Will the wall interfere with GarminR10?
Hey mate unfortunately I can't give you a concrete answer on this. What I will say is that it's a radar unit so as long as the wall is clear and there are no metal shelves or anything against the wall it should be fine. I have metal storage racks on either side of my garage and that's half the reason I put the black curtains up to stop any potential issues. Cheers
Hey Brandon strictly budget mate and if you really want putting then go with mevo. I originally was going to get mevo but budget forced me to get Garmin. Both have pros and cons. If you're going to use it strictly for indoor use then a used GC2 will be a better option than mevo IMO
I’m almost finished with my garage setup using R10 and will utilize GSPro as well. I was hitting a few balls and realized I can easily hit my wedges (60° for sure) over my impact screen into the ceiling above. Can you hit all clubs, even higher lofted, from 10 feet away?
Hey mate yes I can hit all clubs even 60° from 10 feet no problem. When I built my screen I did make it go all the way to the ceiling as you can see in videos I have that empty space at the top the projector doesn't fill. One of the reasons for this was I thought I needed a bit more height on my impact screen for higher lofted clubs. My screen height is 8feet 7 inches for reference. You might have to build some sort of ceiling protection?
Hey Lewis that's a luxury few have! Haha 🤣 it's always the other way trying to squeeze it in with less room. So for an outdoor setup you're hitting in to a net so the same distances apply. I would personally set it up at 7ft unit to ball and then maximise distance to net try 10-12 feet and see how you go with that. Just make sure the net is big enough to move back that far! Don't want to send any balls into other houses. Garmin still recommends 8 feet as a minimum outdoors into a net but they say increasing the distance may help with accuracy. The big thing you have to watch out for outside is exposed concrete as it can cause interference sometimes. Let me know how you go! Cheers
Hey Dave very good question mate I can only speak to the impact screen. Even my Spornia net has a blank sheet that the ball hits so its not a traditional net. Sorry I cant give you a definitive answer but hopefully someone in the comments can. I will say the Garmin has become a really great unit with all the updates hitting in to a net I don’t think would be to different from an impact screen as long as there isn’t a lot of metal and things radars don’t like behind the net. If you stick to Garmins recommendations you cant go wrong! Cheers
@@JLagGOLF Thanks for the reply. Since it is radar I can’t imagine why a net versus impact screen would make a difference but I’ve seen this persistently in videos and posts. I have a Net Return golf net and an impact screen defeats it’s purpose.
Hey Nikki no this is GS Pro it needs a windows PC to run for now ideally a gaming PC with a decent GPU for the graphics. Although you can get a lesser spec one and run it in GS Pro lite version. Cheers
