@@KO-zi2xf I believe him. If he was intentionally slow rolling, he would have been prepared to be confronted by the rest of the table in which case he wouldn't give this sort of explanation for it. Slow rollers generally have a lot more arrogance to the way they approach the situation once they're called out on it
@@guerolopez9095 it was intentional the count doesn’t matter. If You raise 3x someone jams 1000bbs on you as you install call with aces. There’s no defending this slow roll
@@Alex-mh8yb I mean I guess if we lived in some delusional word Robbi played that hand straight up, sure. However on planet Earth here, anybody with common sense knows otherwise.
I watched this as it happened. I do not think Han was being sadistic or cruel or any of that. I think Han is not a full time player. He is a good man who wanted to know how much the bet was. You can look at hands with other players, like Gal, who plays slow to enjoy the moment. Han was not doing this. He wanted to act in a correct manner. He wanted to know how much he was about to risk. Nothing more than that. He's not a pro. That's how I saw it.
i think everyone is missing one key point: AA is obviously calling but also knows that in these games the negotiation of "run it once or twice" ensues after both players are all in ... is it possible that Han wanted to give his opponent the chance to decide on how many times to run it without revealing his hand? ... i really believe Han was thinking ahead while also bracing himself of possibly losing his entire stack on a bad beat ... many things were running through his head and it is likely he doesn't know enough English to express it fully ... just a thought plus he doesn't seem like the 'slow roll' kind of jerk we all run into on occasion
Nah, you call first then negotiate. His explanation sounds "reasonable" but it's still slowroll to me. You will NEVER EVER EVER fold AA preflop so what's the point of asking for a count ????
Han has over 140k starting the hand. Hes not bracing to lose his entire stack. He was 100% calling. Hes not folding ever for another 9k after putting in 31k with AA preflop.
A slow roll is only a slow roll if it had the intentions to be one. Slow rolling implies giving false hope to the other player or delaying when you have the nuts. He wasnt trying to do any of that but as explained just wanted to know how much he would lose if AA got cracked. He has the current nuts and not the absolute nuts. Slowroll only applies when you have the absolute nuts
@@kookou13-You can slowroll with AA preflop, this kinda was cuz he did give his opponent hope of having the best hand but he wasn't trying to be a dick.
Slowroll only applies if you have the absolute nuts, no matters wich of the four streets are you playing. But certainly is not the same, doing it with AA preflop, because you could be crushed in latter streets. And of course is not the same call a push for 1.000$, than make the call for 10.000.000$ 😎
Garrett has been around long enough to know he needs to keep the players happy and the game fresh. That was one of the things Chip Reese did better than anyone, and although he was arguably the best all around player ever, he was only that because he knew how to keep games going.
Perfectly normal… people comment coz it’s not their money on the line… seen so many AA auto calls and guy loses all his stack… smarter people wants to just be emotionally prepared if he loses the hand 😊
I understand trying to be emotionally prepared for the potential bad beat but it's still a slow roll. Sure it's not malicious but you're also not actually contemplating a decision. You have the nuts and are 100% calling. KK could hypothetically be a nit roll cos I guess somebody could contemplate folding but AA is absolutely a slow roll. Like Garrett I have some understanding that he's not a pro player and probably isn't used to the idea of losing that much money so quickly but it is bad etiquette regardless of intention. He should try, for the future, to be emotionally prepared to call with the nuts instantly. I believe Garrett was also trying to guide him that way. It's best if everybody is having a good time at the poker table and slow rolling (even unintentionally) is bad for the game... in most circumstances with a few funny exceptions.
One of the reasons Garrett is my favorite high stakes player, he’s so humble and down to earth. Like the guy is filthy rich but you can tell the way he Carrie’s himself, he’s a great person
he's not filthy rich lol. google says his net worth is 5 million? Seems about right. My net worth is negative so trust me I'm not saying it's nothing haha but it's modest among other industries such as entertainment, sports, etc. and it's also modest among professional poker players! About average at least. It probably is his own money but there also a chance that he may have investors supply a portion of his buy in so that his pay is more consistent like a salary and can persist through variance. No matter how good a player is, it's not wise for a player to gamble with a large proportion of his net worth. That way he can make the best mathematical decision possible. If he makes a bet that will win him $100,000 55% of the time, and that's his entire net worth, he will only see the mathematical advantage over a substantial amount of trials. Over 1000 trials he will be close to 55% but if it's his entire net worth he might lose the first bet and then he has no more money! That's taking it to the extreme, and it's why poker players like to sell stakes in their play. But just to reiterate, I don't know if he does I'm just saying he might.
@@WhiteSharkconcac I know it's not 100% accurate but even Garett himself said one time he was almost the least wealthy person at the table. I'm just using it to support my guess that he probably isn't crazy rich
@@rickysmith6041 a basketball players net worth said he had 5 million, he showed is bank account on q podcast recently he had 15mill sitting in his account, but you keep believing everything you see on the Internet.
@@jayb2175 I'm using it as supporting evidence to the man himself he talked about it at the table like I said. I never said it was exactly 5 million but when you compare it to other poker players, to other celebrities, he's probably not filthy rich. read my second and third reply
Dude isn't a pro, propably a semi rec player. He could be really rich but still respect the money on the line. Most have experienced cracked Aces. He called instantly when he got the number. I think he just wanted to know and accept how much he might lose if his aces got cracked. For a pro it doesn't matter. But for a rec it does, especially at these stakes.
The better way to do this is: "I have aces, can I have a count just to know how much it is?" You can respect the money without keeping your opponent anxious if you've got him beat.
@@jeffreysanders7334 Agree. He probably, I would hope, reflected on this, sought out more info on etiquette in situations like this and will handle it better in the future if he ends up in the same spot again. Dude seemed to be a nice/real guy.
Idc how you perceive something as a player in this situation if I’m Han, it’s his money and he had no ill intent so that should be the end of conversation. If you can’t regulate your emotions poker might not be the game for you. A slow roll is eye contact and egging. When AK still is in the hand of course he sighs to try and get an over jam or call lol. Garret is a grinder and a good dude but certain things DONT need to be explained lmfao.
When things like that happen is best to say: i’m calling, but just want to know how much you have in front” so your intention of calling is clear and you cannot get accoused of slowrolling. Given the guy is not even a native english speaker i think nobody can really blame him, i don’t think he tried to slowroll
you have literally the best hand in poker before any action. no one’s going to fold Aces in any pre-flop situation so it doesn’t matter if the opponent has a deeper or shorter stack than you. you’re talking as if there was a chip amount that his opponent could have that would make him fold 😂
i mean in nosebleed games sometimes people dont want to run their whole stack even if they have AA, if both players were sitting 500k deep, some people dont like risking their whole stack on a "flip" they would rather get their whole stack in when they have the verified nutted hand not running AA vs KK and pray a king doesnt flop out
I believe this is the best point of this. I think it’s unfair for AA on an all in to be frowned upon if it’s taking a little bit of time for a call. It’s not an unbeatable hand because anything can happen. A 72 not suited can beat AA. People just want to bring up poker etiquette on this hand but anyone can make any decision they want to if there is no bad intent in poker.
I’ve made many comments on HCL videos whether short or not about Garret, I’d watch him whatever he did poker or otherwise. The guys such a genuine dude.
Not everyone is a born American. The guy speaks broken English. Imagine if you’re a white guy and you go to play in a game full of Asian guys all speaking a language you hardly understand, and then being expected to understand their customs. Leave the guy alone ffs
Garrett handled it perfectly. He didn't try to call him out, but just asked and explained the perception. He could tell Han wasn't trying to do it. Helmuth would have cursed him out and stormed off 😂
Tough to stay mad at that slow roll. Big cash on the line. I've held aces before and thought how much am I losing here. Everyone wants them but we've all felt the pain.
Garret seems to be a very nice person overall. I saw him being brutally slowrolled in a huuuge pot and he didnt say a word. And here, when the other person was kind of slowrolled by accident, he very politely explained what was done incorrectly.
He didn’t do anything wrong, people just want u to throw in ur chips without any forethought, if this was tournament style play and let’s say I’m on the bubble, and somebody shoves all in, I’m gonna wanna know their chip count because if they have me covered, than throwing the aces away is smart. It’s not a slow roll because he had a chance of losing even with AA.
If it was a slow roll he wouldn't have agreed to run it twice. They are playing for big money, he was calling either way butwanted to know if he was calling his stack off or not.
@@daisy671 nothing wrong with wanting to know how much you can lose just in case… we all think differently so respect is best, just like in any sport we respond or react differently…IMO ✌️
At some point this "I got slowrolled" thing needs to stop. I've never slowrolled anyone and have been slowrolled. A player can do whatever they want within the rules of that casino. I understand etiquette that addresses name calling, foul language and other attacking gestures but players have made this the "cardinal sin" of poker and it definitely isn't. All IMO
Not a slowroll. He immediately called after knowing how much he was putting in. No way he was folding that. He didn't want any surprises either. I one time called an all in thinking someone went in with only $900 but he had a $1,000 chip on the bottom of his stack of $100 chips. I snap called it. But I was surprised I was all-in for $1,900 when I thought it was $800-$900. I still won the flip. 🤣
1000% a slowroll. if he is never folding...which idk about you but i dont do with pocket aces. then fucking call. if you can fold sometimes then take ur time. aces is never folding call the fucking hand bitch youll find out how much you lose after if you do end up losing with a minimum of 80% equity
Han is a smart man. Wants to know exactly how much he has and how much he would lose. Why not know all aspects of the game? What if next hand he wants to push all in or raise or call but doesn’t even know how much he has so he takes an extra minute counting his chips before doing so.
It’s thier money they can do whatever tf they want with it slow Roll or not who gives a fuk!! About poker etiquette we’re there to take each others money point blank period!!
I get why Hans did that. He's somewhat a pessimist. Even though he knows he's gonna call with Aces and likely has the best hand, he just wants to know what he stands to lose. Great sportsmanship with Garrett for explaining to him why it's considered bad to do that, though
This isn’t a situation where the floor would be required to apply any rules or give a judgement call. Any floorperson dealing with this game would be an expert at all rules, and he would never intervene because of an issue with etiquette.
Some people like to play small ball poker. His question was very valid and he was trying to mitigate variance. There are professional poker players that will play in the main event and not go all In pre-flop with pocket aces because they like to grind.
@@bonethirsty this happened on the big game once where the amateur folded pre. Forgot his exact reason but they would have been cracked with the runout
@@bonethirsty fishman did it in a tournament but it’s little different in terms of the game structures between tournament and cash. m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DwVldL2VDHw.html
This isn't a tournament this is a cash game and it's rarely correct in any situation to fold aces.. trying to mitigate variance? Are you freaking kidding me.. she only had to put in 13,000 more he took 19 seconds and someone on here says they play with him and he's done s*** like this before it appears Garrett gave him an out to explain his bad etiquette slow roll.. I don't care if you're sitting with 1,000 or 100,000 if you're not willing to go all in with pocket aces preflop then don't f****** play poker
I believe a slow roll is when all cards runs out and you know you have the best hand but wait for your opponent to show his cards making them believe they possibly have won.
@@1973scotta it wasn’t 2 mins. I believe him also he just wanted to know how much he was gambling for cause even tho you have the best starting hand doesn’t mean you always going to win
@@Triple152I didn't say in this example the player took two minutes. It is your assertion that slow rolls are only after the cards run out that i disagree with Triple. the act of asking for a count in this situation makes it a slow roll, whether or not it was innocent or meant as needle to the other guy is the only question.
@@1973scotta 100 pct.. of course it's a slow roll questionnaires did he do it on purpose Garrett give him a chance to explain and he tried to say that he just wanted to know how much he was investing I think it was thirteen thousand more he's never folding however another commenter said he played with the guy before and that basically has done stuff like this before so it doesn't look good for him unfortunately
Han was right wanting to know how much he could lose. Correct. Normally a slow roll but in that situation he was ok for taking a short time to get the figures.
Most people who slow roll pick an extra 10 or 20 seconds when it's an obvious decision yes this is normally considered a slow roll he took 20 seconds to finally put the money in however I'm glad Garrard gave him the chance to explain he just wanted to know how much he was investing he's not a pro poker player and his intentions were well-meaning I'm glad Garrett asked him so it was cleared up but under normal circumstances that's a slow roll I don't know where you play poker
He should call first and then ask for the count the way he did it was very slowrolly but these things happen,he might be a recreational player or just got excited by being all in with AA,I play poker all day everyday and my heart still races in certain moments.
It was strange but not a slowroll. Not only did he say ok to running it as many times as the opponent, he asked can we show so that the opponent would see the aces. I get that it isn't a tourney and there are no ICM implications so it's a snap call but on the scale of bad table actions, it's low to mid at best.
Years ago, there was a championship tournament "team event" and a guy with pocket aces called a time out to confirm with his teammates that it was okay to call an all-in with pocket aces. When you are playing bigger than you are comfortable with, or just overall risk adverse, people tend to slow down. Especially when your every action will be criticized like this live stream... I see a lot of uneasiness, maybe even slight fear in his play style... But to this point, it's not disrespectful or malicious by choice.
It doesn't look like it was intentional and Garrett gave him a chance to explain but that's a slow roll and it's bad etiquette and on top of it a commenter said he's played with him before and he's done stuff like this so it doesn't look good for him
Yeah, but the difference is these guy are playing with those house downpayments, which means they're okay with losing them. I'm sure you and I wouldn't feel very comfortable gambling with that amount of money, even in an 86-14 spot, which is why we wouldn't do it. It's fine to want to know how much it is, but it could have been 10x what the bet actually was, and Han still wasn't going to say "eh, I don't want to lose that much" and fold. He was always calling. If you really feel the need to do something like this to get a count when you're clearly never folding AA, you ought to just say "I have aces I just want to know what I'll be up or down if I lose, I'm not slow rolling."
QQ chips were all in. how is that a slow roll? lol i get the whole "by tanking you're giving the guy some hope" spiel, but no way Han was slow-rolling the dude here.
Your comment makes no sense okay so the queen Queens all in the guy has Aces it's a snap call normally doesn't matter how much money the guys betting anyone calls there no matter what the bet is.. for some reason this dude wanted to know how much he was going to have to put in against the Queen's by taking that much time it makes the Queen's think maybe he's not going to call it is a slow roll although he didn't mean to do it..it appears.. in any poker game that's a slow roll when you take 30 seconds to decide to call with pocket aces after somebody has shoved all in.. I don't know where you play
@@Edward-xd1td can you punctuate your sentences? The QQ guy's chips were all in by a margin of a few K, but Han didn't know how much the QQ guy had, so he wanted a count. That's not a slow-roll.
@@vinny6_9 I used talk to text it's not a big deal.. I don't agree with what you're saying when you have aces it's a snap call he made the guys think that he might not be calling it was only thirteen thousand more I don't care if you have $1,000 or 800 thousand in front of you when you have Aces you obviously you're calling otherwise you shouldn't be playing poker.. poker is a gentleman's game it's bad etiquette to take 20 seconds and that's why Garrett said something because he understands that obviously you don't
@@vinny6_9 also another commenter on here said he's played with hon before many times and he does stuff like this which makes him look even worse if the commenter is to be believed
Also the other three pros at the table said it was a slow roll the guy next to him Garrett and the guy with the queens said why'd you take so long and Nick Vertucci said it was a slow roll also
When heads up, you are never doing anything other than calling the opponents all-in when you have aces. If you happen to lose the pot with your aces, the dealer will count the opponents checks and tell you exactly how much you lost. You don't have to shove your stack in like Hellmuth but make the call quicker when you have aces in this situation.
It was a simple ask for a count, he had every right to do so, also, don’t ever rely on a dealer counting checks, they are human and make mistakes too. Anyone offended or saying he slow rolled need to grow thicker skin
@@silentwolf4252 it's not about having Finn skinny took 19 seconds asking for account was only thirteen thousand more it's bad at a kid it's plain and simple and it's a slow roll it's not good for the game Garrett gave him a chance to explain and he did however another commenter city played with him before and this is what he does so speaks for itself if you think this is okay I wouldn't want to play in a poker game with you
This shows how people's sentiment on the internet can change so fast, especially after the J4 hand. You've seen Garrett show class time and time again, always believed and still believe.
Not true at all he just wanted to know how much the BET was he had a hundred thousand behind it was only thirteen thousand more to call obviously he's not a pro player that's a slow roll normally but I'm glad Garrett asked him to explain because he just wanted to know how much he was investing
I'm kind of disappointed. Slow rolling is hilarious. I don't even mind being slow-rolled, so long as it isn't grossly excessive. (Don't burn 2 minutes of timebank etc). This wasn't a slowroll. It was just a guy asking for the count. So he knew what was in the middle.
