oh he's not wrong. LeBitch HAS become a killer. He killed AD's and Darvin Ham's and so many other supporting players and coaches' careers. Hell, he MIGHT have killed the Fakers by holding Jeannie hostage and forcing her to choose his dumbass no-talent cumstain of a son.
MJ is guilty of making the NBA soft .. he got everything called …the pistons were labeled villains & the refs supported Mikes 1st 3 chips…go watch the tape…refs rarely help. Lebron ..I don’t get it . Almost same speed vertical agility ball handling but Bron 6’9 250 MJ 6’6 198😂 common sense Bron is the 🐐 MJ’s era was still so unathletic..honestly
He was 198 in his earlier years, he weighed around 220 after the 1990 playoffs. But getting hammered every time you drive to the basket was ridiculous. There's no hand check now so how did he make the game soft? If the rules didn't change back then there wouldn't be a flagrant 1 or 2 now. LeBron is a bigger and stronger athlete but it's not a game of one on one so it would've likely been Pippen guarding him since he was 6'8 235.
@@rdogletree4543 yea MJ would destroy Lesoft on offense, Lesoft can't defend him and Scottie locks him down these meat riders prolly get paid for doing this
@@laamkingent1 The NBA was already soft when Le bron came to league. Jordan had it a lot harder than Le bron did. In todays NBA anybody can have a 30point night in the 80s and 90s you had to earn a 30 point night.
@@Bank4Hunnid Yes soft go and look at NBA 80s and 90s Physical. You don't see this anymore, todays basket ball is soft as bread. Jordan went thru hell with the Detroit Pistons . I don't remember Le Bron going thru this punishment.
@@MrJewlz83 How? If Kobe was motivated by Jordan, copied his moves, asked him for advice and still came up short with less titles and played 7 more years in the NBA than Jordan did. Jordan wasn't motivated by anyone, he didn't have any superstar to ask for advice, he's selfmade and he's undefeated in the finals, Kobe lost 2 championships. How many championships would Jordan of won if he had Shaq? U must not know your basketball knowledge son...
@@dontrellsloan8337 Lebron does has a Killer mindset Just not like Kobe an Mike every animal kills different. You don’t go to 10 straight finals an not be a killer or get over 38,000 points
A lion anticipates the exact moment, tries to elimate every mistake and possibility of a miscue and then proceeds to rip your heart out and is a vicious killer that we respect. But a Tiger, They’re getting their kill whether you see it coming or not. Bron is that Lion and Jordan and Kobe are the exclusive tigers
@@kingmtjthegreatmillionaire one is undefeated in the finals and hae a mvp offensive scoring title mvp and defensive scoring title all within same season. Other is 4-6 in finals..
MJ cries whenever someone talks bad about him. Bron played 20 years at the highest level, being the most scrutinized athlete in US history. He played through the social media age where all the haters are 24/7. Yet he still delivers. If that isn't a killer instinct I don't know what is.
@@flux2956 are you slow? ofc there isn't, he meant there playstyles, their amount of finals wins, and how MJ did more in a shorter amount of time than Lebron did in 20 seasons
@@lmaoidontcare6019 I dont think you know what slow means. Btw, lebron did a lot in a shorter time than mj ever did. You obviously don't know what you're talking about 🤓
So he should. Jordan was an arrogant pr*ck who mocked Payton who was actually right when he said he did an okay job guarding him in the finals. Jordan only scored over 30 points once and had 2 other games where he shot 5-19 and 6-19. That's a decent job against someone that averaged 30ppg but Jordan couldn't bring himself to show any respect despite winning the ring and it being 25 years later.
Lebron does has a Killer mindset Just not like Kobe an Mike every animal kills different. You don’t go to 10 straight finals an not be a killer or get over 38,000 points
MJ is guilty of making the NBA soft .. he got everything called …the pistons were labeled villains & the refs supported Mikes 1st 3 chips…go watch the tape…refs rarely help. Lebron ..I don’t get it . Almost same speed vertical agility ball handling but Bron 6’9 250 MJ 6’6 198😂 common sense Bron is the 🐐 MJ’s era we’re still so unathletic..honestly
4 times in NBA history has someone won the scoring title, mvp,won the championship, finals mvp and 1st team all defense in the same year. Jordan did it all 4 times. Hands down the goat!!!
@@d-rosejames45536 titles in 8 years only played 15 seasons 2 of them he only played 18 games i believe. Mj did more in less time stats don't tell them whole story plus lbj really shots 37% outside of 6ft meaning his shooting percentage is from 65% layups and dunks in a weak defensive era
@@coach_zachw By the time I’m done educating you on Jordan you’d be walking out of this conversation Enlightened with a New Appreciation for the man. But I don’t even think you deserve that much at this point. 😂
@nassi glutt The same place killer MJ went when Isaiah Thomas Pistons eliminated him 3 straight years from the playoffs. MJ couldn't even make it to the Finals
@@tankwhite.7036 nah that aint no "finals" lol. Those days are the "young and learning stages' like your idol's early days. TBH Isiah was so embarrassed when he didn't shook hands after they were finally sweeped by the bulls so he retired early at 32, still a prime bull, as hes got too much pride. He can't take a loss again year after year😭🤣
Lebron does has a Killer mindset Just not like Kobe an Mike every animal kills different. You don’t go to 10 straight finals an not be a killer or get over 38,000 points
@@johnbills3056 You actually right it is a insult to compare Jordan to Lebron because Lebron came into the league with a burden on his shoulders an met the expectations he sign a 100 million dollar deal before playing a NBA game people expected Lebron to be great. Everyone knew Mike was a great player but no one expected him to be the best of the best the face that runs the place. Which gave Mike room to grow an get better.
@@johnvanderwesthuizen2283 Jordan was the underdog that became the man Lebron was just always the man since High school people paid money to see him play in high school 500 to a 1,000 front row seats.
Turning into that killer😂😂😂 Bro he's been in the league 20yrs already 🤦🏽 The greatest all-around player 🤔 They made the category up to benefit benefit Bron... If that's the case Who was the greatest all around player before Le'Teamshuffler
@@carrollreggie66 Scottie pippen never averaged 20 points... Dwyane Wade's the third best shooting guard ever ... Please shut up.. You're just spreading stupidity in the universe
Wilt who oh the guy who dominated against no bodies people who just learned they can dribble and pass at the same time stop it wilt ain't shit and he didn't win shit he was a horrible teammate
Bro, exactly. The Rockets blew them out by 40 in December. The next day Bron goes to town trading away Isaiah Thomas, D. Rose, and Jefferson! Ridiculous.
Mike only went to 6 finals compared to Kobe Lebron & magic.. LEBRON THE GOAT 🐐 AND NOW ITS NOT EVEN A CLOSE DEBATE ANYMORE..Mike’s era were just too unathletic
@@bigphil56 40k says he been in the league for 21 years with no real injuries averaging 25+. You don’t have to be a killer to be one of the greatest to ever do it. We talking about what we see not just stats.
@@IheartLeDaddy What that gotta do with anything? It still doing better then your content by far. Second of all. Watch yo tone lil guy. I'm better then you. Talentless puppet.
@@southerncoastproductions7587 very childish hobby also yo ass ain’t telling no one to watch their tone I know for a fact you living in some comfy ass suburbs somewhere mf
@@Drbronbron What exactly is Lebron more skilled at? Passing more does not equal being a better passer. When you're the biggest scoring threat on your team, you shouldn't be giving the clutch shots up to someone else. But he does it because he's not a good shooter. So even if we give passing to Lebron, MJ was an unquestionably better shooter. Similar 3 pt% but Lebron faces wide open 3s all day from people sagging underneath because they'll take a wide open 35% chance over a nearly guaranteed slash to the basket if they don't. MJ was making his with a hand in his face and hand checking.
6 RINGS POOR QUALITIES! COMPETED AGAINST WEAKLINGS WHILE LEBRON DEFEATED THE STRONGEST TEAMS IN THE HISTORY! OKC Durant,westbrook,ibaka,harden SPURS Duncan kawhi parker ginobili GSW Curry thompson iguodala green HEAT Butler adebayo herro iguodala robinson (An Equal game for everyone) MJ's finals opponents are laughable 🤣🤣🤣
@@emmanuel9574where's LeBrons double 3peat? And they call fouls out the ass now bro everyone in today's league are sweet just like shaq said and Jordan is more clutch than LeBron if LeBron and Jordan played at the same time LeBron would be on Jordans dunk real a straight poster he did more in a less amount of time than LeBron bc he was better than everyone else #stopthebronsexuals
Bron joined teams to chase rings while Jordan stayed with 1 team and Won 6 championships plus hit the game-winning shot for his college championship as a freshman!
There is no different if join teams or use your influence to push your team to make trades and signings for players. If mj didn't have such a good influence over his team and basically orders the front office to make those trades mj would have left
How many titles did MJ win before Phil Jackson came along , and put in the Triangle Offense ? Zero. Finals trips ? Zero. MJ is the best player I've ever seen, but not necessarily the so-called G.O.A.T. Folks generally liked/loved James until he went to Miami...dashing and shattering THEIR expectations of how his career should go. A bigger, stronger player who should play like Jordan. As if his NBA career began in 2010. He followed his own path, and bet on himself. Other than Kobe, no all-time great tried to be the second coming of anyone before them. MJ was more of a " do your part so I can win the game" player, than James, who has been more concerned about bringing a team along, making teammates contribute significantly, to make the team more competitive, Teammates, to James, were, just that...teammates. Jordan's teammates, Scottie Pippen included, were his "supporting cast". Coaching matters, too. All of Jordan's title teams were coached by 2 HoF coaches. James never had that. And, James did more with "slumbum" teams that MJ did. Jordan's first 7 years are very similar to James' 2 Cavalier stints. Until Jordan learned to trust and rely on his teammates, he wasn't getting out of the Eastern Conference Finals. James had the underwhelming Cavs in the Finals after his 5th season. He got more out of less than MJ did. Jordan was a great scorer...guaranteed buckets regardless of defensive pressure..., and a dominant defensive player who had to learn to trust his teammates. James was, and is ,more interested , and better at, empowering his teammates, and had to learn when to be more selfish. He was taught to include teammates when competing. Jordan had to learn, and, be reminded, to do that. It's how you like to see how the game is played. If I wanted to let a guy to do heroics to win, and be content having people look at me as riding his coattails, Jordan's that guy. If I want to win, and feel like I actually helped my team win, I'd pick James. He didn't win as much as MJ, but would be more satisfying to work with;he spread the wealth so that everybody felt they actually did some work in a game.
@@hitek9too255 you're comparing Jordan at age 40 on the wizards, you lost the argument just by bypassing all of his Chicago bulls accomplishments most great players want to play against the competition not join them to Chase rings but LeBron was different!
Mike only went to 6 finals compared to Kobe Lebron & magic.. LEBRON THE GOAT 🐐 AND NOW ITS NOT EVEN A CLOSE DEBATE ANYMORE..Mike’s era were just too unathletic
@@nplamad6495 for me the reason why this argument is dumb because we don't know how LeBron would do back in the nineties. And we don't know how Jordan would do in today's gameplay. We only can compare to what we've seen from them. LeBron and Jordan would play different if they played in different era. We don't know what that would look like
@@popcornsoup5444 u right but don’t bring up bill and his easy ass era😂 not even 30 teams. But rings matter for lebron cuz look how many times he’s lost, and mj was 6-0 with 6fmvp most all time
Gary was badass no doubt tho...my dawg was Penny Hardaway in the 90s...dem bulls and magic games were the finals before the finals in my eyes back when
Yeah but LeBron has to switch from team to team just to get a Championship and then once he finds his team they start loosing. If you are the goat you don’t jump form tesm to tesm just to get a chip, you drag with the team who drafted you and t t Ty to win. LeBron ain’t loyal kine MJ was, even though MJ went to the wizards MJ had a good reason to go to the wizards that was only one team he went to after leaving Chicago, but LeBron had to leave Cleveland to go to the heat back to Cleveland then to the lakers and don’t get me started with his son, and that’s also another thing LeBron forced things to happen mj never did that, LeBron basically forces the other teams not to take Bronny because he wanned to pls with him in La, well why wouldn’t he just opt out of his contract before the draft wait till Bronny gets drafted to a good team and go to that team, but he will still jump from team to team like always and the results are the same he may win chips sometimes but most of the time he doesn’t even make it to the finals or even worse not even make it to the playoffs overall. So MJ is my goat because he’s loyal and he’s the better killer.
LeBron James has more playoff buzzer beaters than anyone else in history. While Jordan has more losses than wins without Scottie Pippen and the greatest coach ever helping him lol
@@resinfingers3896 if MJ played in todays game, I’m sure he would want to play with good players too lol. And championships are accomplished by a team, this ain’t tennis bro
Mike only went to 6 finals compared to Kobe Lebron & magic.. LEBRON THE GOAT 🐐 AND NOW ITS NOT EVEN A CLOSE DEBATE ANYMORE..Mike’s era were just too unathletic
Not a Jordan fan but MJ accomplished way more, in less time, with one team, in one of the physically toughest eras in Basketball. Sure LeBron looks like the complete all around player, but that's because he's allowed to play in multiple positions. Players would be benched prior to 2000 if they did.
@user-dk9wf1pn5z LBJ is great, no doubt about that. But he sucks during clutch moments of the game, especially at the free throw line. we've seen that in every team he's been on
You can’t turn into a Killer after 20 years in the NBA! At this point, He’s just killing time! MJ was a Killer from year 1 til first retirement, then after first retirement til 2nd retirement, then after 2nd retirement He got tired of seeing the team he owned losing and came out of retirement again and averaged 22 PPG! And at that point He was well into his 40’s!
@@ZidaneSteiner How many times did Lebron get swept in the playoffs? MJ had no reason to come back after his second retirement other than missing the game. If an old MJ had a super team like Wade and Bosh, he would have made it to the finals too.
@@II2306. bro stop you showing you a child ...MJ was in the mvp conversation in Washington and he had them in the playoffs b4 getting hurt in that 1st year and he didn't trade half his team to try to get a bunch of stars to carry him
Jordan turned opposing teams and opposing fans into Jordan spectators when he played. He accomplished a lot more in a much shorter time. Not taking anything away from LeBron, but he can't touch Jordan.
Literally replace the word "Jordan" with "Steph" and it still holds true. Certain players are just different. IMO, those two are separate from the rest, all due respect to Bron who's an all time incredible player as well
DAGoberto Trevino: Michael most definitely did have problems with the "Glove" Jordan was the NBA's poster child, and was able to get away with offensive fouls consistently, especially pushing off. Jordan was also one of the most selfish with the ball for many years. Scottie Pippen was spot on about his teammate. Didn't win a thing until Pippen showed up.
@@merloncox4408 It is a team sport, right? So how about we just say there is no greatest basketball player of all time since no one did it by themselves? That includes LeBron who ran around the league chasing Scottie Pippens then calls himself the goat. Jordan didn't run from team to team, calling other players to come join him for a championship run then call himself the greatest. Pippens didn't win a damn thing without Jordan either. But who needed who more? Pippen could have been replaced just like Horace Grant, Cartwright, BJ Armstrong, Paxson , were all replaced. It's ridiculous to think he couldn't be. But Pippen and the Bulls aren't replacing Jordan.
@@merloncox4408 Back then all the players got away with murder. Just look at how Pistons and Celtics were allowed to knock players around. Refs weren't so quick to call back then as they are now. And no, he didn't have any trouble sending Seattle back home 4-2. Jordan hit 30+ points in two games. Payton hit over 20 points once in the series. I like Gary Payton but he clearly is overrating himself.
It's all BS calling NBA players killers, that's just weak @ss media guys (and you) calling them that. The toughest guys were not the best basketball players. For ex., Keyon Martin, Ron Artest, Ben & Rasheed Wallace, Latrell Sprewell, Vernon Maxwell, Rick Mahorn, The Karate Guy James Smith or something, at least 2 Boxers Isaiah (young guy) and West, etc. All these guys would destroy both MJ & LeBron on the streets, but nobody really remembers them for their BB skills.
@gonzielovesspanish8989 yea, I don't think the term in reference to sports would mean tough or good at fighting, but would refer to not shrinking from the moment when the game is on the line. But I see your point. It's a stupid term to call an NBA player.
Exactly 💯.. Jordan didn't need to turn into a killer. He established very early in his career that he was a killer in the game against the Celtics. Even tho he lost, there was no denying that.
@thatboymike1732 You are correct, that's why he said LeBron is the better all around player. But there's an old lesson that maybe you've never learned. You can out work talent. Talent only takes you so far. Mentality takes you to the next level. Having a killer instinct when you're needed the most and delivering every time is more valuable than talent. This is why Jordan and Kobe is revered. Ask yourself this question. You own a business and you have two salesman. One is more talented than the other but the other is more of a go getter who also has talent. Which one do you hire? The one with more talent or the one with more productivity?
@@markoconnor4110 lol MJ was already averaging like 50 against Larry's Celtics in year 3 or 4 meanwhile Lebron had such an easy East for like 60% of his career
Lebron isn't even a top 20 all time player. He didn't go to college like everyone before him. That's 4 extra years in his prime. He has choked in big moments so many times that I lost count. He forces every team he played for to get rid of everyone he doesn't like. He plays dirty by holding jerseys and flopping. I can't stand the guy.
No one ever said, "man, my team has to play LeBron" but when your team was gonna play the Bulls, everyone's reaction, "shit, we're playing against Jordan"
Lebrons an all star in Jordan's Era 4 defenders in his face going to the rim he's getting denied. He can't shoot free throws so he might average 18 in any other Era but his own. He's lucky he played in his Era.
No the hell he isn't MJ was different all time goat daddy goat. M.J. Big brother goat KOBE. 2nd oldest brother goat LEBRON . little brother goat curry 💪💪💪💪
Becoming a killer on a hopeless team 😐 Empty stats But since he lebron nobody saying anything But if it were Beal or lillard now people would say it’s not contributing to winning Mike did both 🫢 Take your heart out and win so I’m team MJ
Bro Lebron is statically better than MJ in every way except team accolades, which makes sense given the Bulls were the most stacked team in his era. If Lebron swapped places with Curry and was put into a similar position as Jordan being in the most stacked team in his era it wouldn’t even be a debate much less a dialogue on why Lebron is the goat.
@@drcalliber732 I mean. He has he scoring record. But not average points per game or playoff points for game. And MJ played defense. It’s simple. A small forward should get more rebounds. Esp playing 20 years.
@@everybodywantstoruletherad279 So getting more boards is what makes MJ greater? That’s ridiculous lmao Lebron has gotten plenty of boards and wasn’t even the main rebounder on any of the teams he’s played on. Overall he’s been a way better team player than Jordan has. He was never a score first player and yet somehow broke the scoring record. Not to mention his stay in Miami he was one of the best defenders in the league and could’ve easily won DPOTY. I said in a previous comment Jordan was so successful because he was on the best team in the entire league and it was stacked with talent. If Lebron was put into a similar position and played on Golden state or the Spurs for his career he would’ve exceeded MJ by a mile.
@@drcalliber732 no. I was saying just cuz ur king has more career rebounds doesn’t make him better than MJ. Then u just went off on bullshit. How’s the 8 points in finals game treating u guys. 8 fucking points in 2011. 8!!!! He’s not a fucking goat in anything.
@@drcalliber732 dude. 1991 to 93. The bulls were not stacked. No teams were. Ur king started that shit. Gosh darn. He won with Pip getting 16 a game. Ur king got 26 from wade and kyrie. Get the fuck outta here with ur whack ass false takes
Lebron does has a Killer mindset Just not like Kobe an Mike every animal kills different. You don’t go to 10 straight finals an not be a killer or get over 38,000 points
@@sgtstudda7873 How Just explain an you saying he have a stack but came name all the hall of famers he played with cause the only comes to my mind that was inducted officially was Chris Bosh.
@@sgtstudda7873 Every team Lebron been on he has always been the best player an no player that played with Lebron except D wade had success with Winning a Championship an even after Lebron so stack team where he still had to play at a high level.
dude anyone would flop if someone farted in their direction 🤣🤣🤣 I understand what you're trying to say BUT GODDAMN THE ANALOGY is waaaaayyyy off. just said blew if you wanna be serious
One of the biggest things that sets Jordan apart from a lot of other elite athletes is his defense. Most people don't think about Jordan and think of defense because he was such an offensive weapon, but he actually won defense and player of the year. Multiple times and people forget that When they compare the two
@@MADEready33 MJ was a killa in Carolina. They said he was too small, etc…but he was the silent killer on that Carolina team. He might not had that LBJ hype when he was drafted, but he gave you 40+ a night. I believe Larry Bird said that it was God out there playing and not MJ. So yes, MJ had that killer instinct already. Also, just like LBJ in Cleveland, Jordan needed the pieces around him but didn’t have it until Pippen. LBJ went to Miami. Ijs I’d suggest you watch some MJ Carolina highlights.
Let me know when Lebron gets to be that killer, I've seen him in close games throw the ball away, shoot bad shots and on the night he broke the scoring record he played like a beast, that is until he broke it then he started limping around and then finally took himself out of the game when the team needed him
Yall keep forgetting. Jordan rookie year played his last 32 games at the point guard position, and Jordan had a triple double for 25 straight games to 27 straight games. The triangle offense was meant for Jordan to pass. It was to get Jordan in spots where you couldn't double team him.
Pretty sure Doug Collins put MJ at point towards the end of 89 season and he got 7 straight triple doubles which was a record. But yeah MJ could pass better than lebron fans think
Mike is the goat by a landslide. Stats don’t show how mj made players around him better, how relentless he was, how players were actually successful playing with him.
MJ is guilty of making the NBA soft .. he got everything called …the pistons were labeled villains & the refs supported Mikes 1st 3 chips…go watch the tape…refs rarely help. Lebron ..I don’t get it . Almost same speed vertical agility ball handling but Bron 6’9 250 MJ 6’6 198😂 common sense Bron is the 🐐 MJ’s era we’re still so unathletic..honestly
As for Gary Payton. In his first game against Michael his rookie year, he stated b4 the game that he was "gonna school Michael Jordan tonight." Payton scored 2 points. Michael scored 33. In their careers, Michael AVERAGED 30.5 points per game on Payton.
