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I don't believe in ghosts, but if people changed the pronouns of my partner in my love letters after I died, my ghost would haunt the f*** outta them for eternity
That lesbian bff card has to be ironic or meant to be subtle enough for closeted lesbians. It definitely feels like something someone would give her girlfriend as a joke.
Re: "How is it possible for a woman to have a wife?" When I was a kid, my dad's best friends were a lesbian couple. (One of them gave me my first microscope!) When I was about four or five, I asked who their husbands were. My dad explained that they didn't have husbands, they loved each other-- like, holding hands love. They wanted to get married. I was very confused-- "But which one's gonna wear the tuxedo?" Big concern, that. "I bet it's [N]," I continued, "because she's taller." That made it all make sense. So long as someone wore the tuxedo, it was all good.
the ace attorney comic took me out man. i was doin something else while the video was on and i heard the words "intellectually attracted" and i immediately knew something aa related was on
"Is two guys cuddling gay?" That's for those guys to decide, not a random onlooker who knows not the context of their affection. "Is two girls cuddling gay?" That's for those girls to decide, not a random onlooker who knows not the context of their affection.
Context is important. Some older kids walked past me and my friends while I was trying to explain that liking femboys isn't gay because they look like women. Context is _very_ important.
And the greek myths we do get taught have the gay parts conveniently omitted. We learn about Achilles, but never hear a word about him and Patroclus and how megagay they were.
This part has always baffled me. Did you seriously never learn that Achilles and Patroclus were lovers? Cause there sure as heck weren't anyone hiding that from me or my classmates and while there definitely was a bigger focus on the cishet Greek myths, we were also taught about the spartan army's encouragement of the soldiers having sex to strengthen their bonds and give their all for their fellow soldiers. We were also taught about the origin myth of how love started - which also explains why some feel same sex attraction. I can't imagine how you could even be taught about ancient Greece without learning about at least the M|M stories...
I was taught that in the greek ancient times couples where promecious and gay was openly displayed as normal. A whole island has been dedicated to greek mytholigy and the gay experience. Leonardi da Vinci was gay or bi, not mutch confirmed because he lived in a strict catholic era and as sculptur and painter he lived off the commissions of the church. There is a reason why we still debate if the Mona Lisa is a female or male. On the other hand my classmate who was gay was throw out of the house with 1 bag of clothes when he came out of the closet ('80) luckely he had a sister and stellar classmates who copied their books and transcript for him so he could resume school in a wimp (thanks to the school lending the office copiermachine). But I was educated in Europe, we do tent to go by the ment "If it does not hurts me, let it be"
Most of the time they want you to hyper fixate on Zeus's promiscuous life, the Hades and Persephone, and other hetero/misogynystic tales that exist. Like- they'd rather talk about how much Hera's life sucked over gay stories.
At the peak of the "Little Miss/Mr" trend, my local yarn shop posted a bunch of ones about crafting. One of them was "Little Mx. Dropped a Stitch" and I felt personally attacked. Like thanks for having one with a gender-neutral/nonbinary form of address, but as a nonbinary person who frequently drops stitches, you don't have to call me out like that lol
@@krimsonkatt What I use is Mm. (Mistrum). The gender neutral equivalent to "-trix" (as in Mistress) and "-tor" (as in Mister) in Latin was "-trum". I can't think of a good way to modify it like we did -trix and -tor, but -trum works well enough. Also, it probably stemmed from algebra.
Peak lesbian erasure: My sister thinking I'm wearing the rainbow pin to show my support for the LGBTQIA+ community. I outed myself shortly after to her which is when she told me that she always had her suspicions 😂😂🤦🏽♀️
@@sileudies means when people don't realize someone is lgbt+ or blatantly ommit hints or proofs, like in historian findings(letters, fossils, etc). In history most of the times is erased because convenience of them not being gay, because they don't want them to be
The Ace Attorney one was so accurate, they make such a big point of saying Lana meant she was "intellectually" attracted to Mia, there certainly couldn't have been any other kind of attraction there 🤦♀️
oKAy and also the fact that two of the writers have openly stated that the series took influence from yaoi and bl tropes and common storylines??? THEN went on to work on bl works both before and after ace attorney finished!?! also they draw everyone, in the words of my sibling, “with huge yaoi hands” and I will never stop screaming abt that lmfao Hello separated child friends reunited to lovers trope???? like that’s why edgeworth and phoenix are ~Like That~ istg
Lana/Mia is literally my favorite ship in the original AA trilogy. It's just few lines of dialogue but damn they definitely had something going on & poor Ema was too oblivious to realize it. (my fave AA ship in the later 3 games is also minor lesbian ship so guess that's just my type in these games)
In English language we were learning about the poem “War Photographer”, and we were talking about context, when our teacher told us that Carol Anne Duffy was a lesbian! It was such a simple thing to say, but it made my day to hear a teacher not erase the history of a writer just because they’re gay!
My teacher is not even positive about LGBT+, but when he knew that the author of something was homosexual and it was relevant to their art, he'd tell us. It shouldn't be a matter of one's views, it's just facts.
I had no idea of Isaac Newton! I always thought he was ace. There goes my 'if we can't mobilise enough acew to invade Denmark, I can always use this extra time to invent a new system of mathematics.'
Oh, he was definitely ace/aro. As someone who's gay _and_ has a doctorate in Physics, I know _all_ about Sir Isaac. He was a loner. He spent nearly all of his time working. He did indeed express _ZERO interest in sex._ He also had few friends, since he was … rather difficult to get along with. And he was vindictive. I _never once_ heard about any male … well, _anything_ relationshipwise about Newton. And being a gay grad-student, I _definitely_ would've found out about that.
my aunt saying this about me and gf’s halloween costumes: “oh, you two are such cute friends! now tell me who are you dressed up as again? i keep forgetting their names. aren’t they from that show about the house with the owls?” we were dressed as luz and amity from the owl house. a canon sapphic couple. she has seen the show, she watched it with my cousin. i had told her we were dating
Adding to the Literary gay erasure, Hans Christian Anderson wrote The Little Mermaid as a story for a male friend he was in love with. The friend was getting married (obviously to a woman) and in the original story the Mermaid kills herself after the Prince married another woman. Subtle Hans, subtle.
I’m a lesbian and even though my fiancée and me are very touchy and heavy on the PDA, people still routinely assume we’re ‘sisters’ or ‘bff’s’. So when we moved in together I handmade her a cringey picture card with ‘and then we were Roommates’ slapped across the front in bold, red letters. She still giggles when she comes across the card.
I am now very glad that my high school literature teachers did occasionally discuss the sexuality of the authors (E. M. Forster and Carol Ann Duffy, to be specific) and its relevance, even in our very religious high school.
@@TheoRae8289 That's funny. Nothing against asexuality, but “Susie… come home… and be my own again, and kiss me as you used to… I hope for you so much, and feel so eager for you… that the expectation… makes me feel hot and feverish, and my heart beats so fast.” doesn't strike me as very asexual.
Not gay erasure, but trans erasure. So I have a couple of trans friends, and being a young trans middle-schooler I get it. One night we were talking about this guy on my softball team and my mom and I used “she/her” pronouns (I did it because I wanted to make sure he was safe, I’m sorry). This friend is pretty openly trans through his grade despite his dad being super phobic, and my brother knew he was trans, so he decided to say “She’s not a girl, she’s a trans guy.”. I’m not sure if he was trying to start something or he just didn’t understand the danger of saying that bc he’s pretty phobic too, but my mom totally went off, saying, “She’s not a guy, she’s just confused.”. I got super mad and left the table without saying anything, and I feel super bad for my friend. Guess I’m not coming out anytime soon.
I felt that like a punch in the gut because that's my stepmother and my carpool, even though this is my legal name, I've been on T for a year (with a lot of obvious features now because I haven't produced estrogen since 2016), everyone else calls me by masculine pronouns and me trying to correct her several times. Like I got put on the spot at work and the higher ups were calling me "he" and referring to me as a man, and I had to give a speech, and not a blip in her noggin.
"Guess I’m not coming out anytime soon." I feel you. When I was 16 I thought I was straight, but I overheard my dad at a reunion tell my uncle how relieved he was the first time I brought a boy home. I was like "what the deuce? my dad wouldn't be ok with me being gay?" My parents were always so openly supportive of others but couldn't fathom their own children being gay? It's no wonder I didn't even come out to myself until I was 36. I never formally came out to my family, I just sort of fell in love and got married. It wasn't a secret by then, tho. My mom didn't get it until the very end of her life but I had to go out of my way to tell her. I thought making the family drive 3 hours across state lines to attend my big lesbian wedding by the sea where it was legal was enough of a clue that I was gay, but nope. I married a trans woman who my mother proceeded to consistently misgender for 5 years, despite constant reminders. It was infuriating. Eventually I got fed up and was like "Mom, you know I'm gay, right?" I realized that might have been part of the problem. The whole family knew, but she was shocked. "NO!" Yes mom, I'm gay. I married a woman. Every time she misgendered my wife, it disrespected us both. I'm glad I came out to her that day because she died less than a month later. It probably would have bugged me my entire life. At least on that front I got some closure. And, thankfully, my dad has always been super loving and supportive, so my fears over his comment were unfounded. He would have been ok with it the whole time. He just saw it wayyyyyy before I did and didn't know how to handle it at the time. I'll always regret not coming out as a teenager. It might not have been as accepted at the time, but turns out most of my friends were also lesbians, we just never talked about it. Life would have been different. Maybe I could have dated some of my crushes. Who knows!
I went to an amazing ancient Greek exhibition a while ago, and every time they mentioned Patroclus in a story about Achilles they actually called him "his lover" or "his consort", none of this "close friend", "potential lover" or even "male lover" bs. It was awesome to see.
I'm not sure if it's weirder to assume two same-sex people hugging as the volcano explodes MUST be friends, or two opposite-sex people MUST be a couple. When the lava's coming, surely you hug whoever's around.
I went to a specialty lingerie shop to get the undergarments for my wedding dress. My fiancée came with me. The shopkeeper asked when the wedding was and we both chimed in with the date. She said, "Oh, how sweet - best friends getting married on the same day!" We were in our 20s at the time, both shy, and already slightly uncomfortable being in such an upscale shop, so we were too intimidated to correct her. "Yeah, haha," we said. Now, in my 40s, I have the chutzpa to correct assumptions like that. But at the time it was deeply awkward. 😂
"Excuse me! Bad grand-nephew! Rude!" Thank you for the delivery on that Jamie, had me cackling. Also, got to prevent a bi-erasure at work! I was joking with a coworker about how there's a good chance that there's a greater percentage of non-hetero people working at the store I'm at, and then we pondered to see if it was accurate. I brought up a bi gentleman who is married to a woman and my coworker was confused. I reminded her that just because a bi person is in a hetero relationship does not mean they are not bi. She acknowledged her mistake :)
@@krizhiaasuncion1093 dusty is a troll. They're obsessed with Jamie and leave multiple hateful comments on every single one of his videos. They just can't stay away from him. Just don't respond to their comments.
Hey! I'd just like to say thanks, Jamie. I'm a trans man and for a year, my parents weren't very accepting of it, but last week my dad FINALLY came around and we went on a father-son hike. Your content was one of the few things that made me feel better during the difficult times :)
i think the "best friends" card is for closeted pair of girls. thats the whole point. u know, you can put the card in your room so everyone can see, and no one will know
Looking at historic photos and being like ‘is it gay erasure to say these two men were ‘friends’ or is it a sign of increasing toxic masculinity that male friends can’t [x]’. A classic struggle.
Argue for both. You don't need to have an opinion on whether they were friends or lovers. After all, you're not a historian, and don't even have the prerequisite information and context to make such a conclusion.
Hi I'm a writer! Here's how my stories became LGBT literature by accident... When I planned out the plot in high school I had planned all the heterosexual pairings and plot things I wanted to cover and then I had my main characters playing truth or dare and holding hands the same way I interreacted with my best friends because I wanted it to be realistic. Guess what, my fans and editors turned round and started shipping all my characters and called my series "queer and witchy" so like yeah, the parts that come out as queer in the first trilogy are based on my real-life experiences....
Historical figure: "I am a gay man whi enjoys gay sex with other gay men (in a homosexual, not in the least bit platonic, way)" Historians: "As friends do!"
5:14 That comic is based on two lines of dialogue from the first Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney game. Those sisters from the comic are from the last part (or 'case') of the first game. In the scene that inspired the comic, the older sister (Lana) talks about another female character (Mia) who died previously in the game, and reveals that they had a relationship/connection of some kind. Lana says something along the lines of "that must have been why Mia was so attracted to me" and her younger sister, Emma, quickly chimes in to say "intellectually attracted!". This has become somewhat of a meme in the Ace Attorney fandom due to the implication of Emma pulling an r/sapphoandherfriend on her sister
3:29 This segment sort of reminds me of the author Tove Jannson. She was into men and women and tried to have representation in her writing, but people wouldn't "allow", it. And that's just the short version of it.
When I was a kid our book taught us the story of Narcissus but added that the pond "distorted his image so it looked female" so it wouldn't be gay he fell in love with it.
I never comment, but I think my gay erasure story counts for this one. My parents referred to my girlfriend as my “special friend” or my “really close friend” for the entirety of our relationship. They also allowed her and I to have sleepovers because we were both women 😅
"Je suis fatigue" was my go to when learning French in school (Canada), and the teacher would go around asking us, "Comment ca va?" Considering I was 8 years old complaining about how tired I was all the time, they suggested I go into counselling to my parents.
Amazing. You had mastered the oh-so French art of existential ennui...at 8? I wouldn't have suggested counselling. I would have offered you a (candy) cigarette and said "C'est la vie. Toute la vie... c'est comme ça". And pulled a slow inhale on my Gauloise ;-)
hey I was told every single one of those gay things that people are pissed about un Italian school 😊 (well except for Newton), especially all the gay greek and roman mythology, even in my reading beginner's books at six. I like that they were honest about all that
Love how if your in a relationship with someone of the same gender your "just friends". But then if you are friends with someone of the opposite gender you must be "more than friends".
I went to an Art High School, so we spent A LOT of time talking about Shakespeare. Plenty of Scholars argue that the sonnets written to men were not to express a sexual or romantic attraction, but were instead about him expressing admiration for his patron. And the "Dark Woman" of the sonnets was generally believes to be about a woman with dark hair. Even back in high school I was going.... "Or he could have liked a guy and a woman with dark skin..." Like seriously, I do find it hard to read the sonnets written to the fair young man, and not think of them as romantic and sexual.
So I think inadvertently classical gay erasure gave me a strong appreciation and preference for ace relationships and the existence of aces. I used to (okay still do) get so upset that they so often "ship" close friends especially in a hetrosexual traditional representation and blame that for the friends I thought I had who were just there for some weird rando idea that one day we'd hook up. I kind of love that we're figuring out about how many people were gay back in the day
I had many problems with the movie Troy, but the biggest was when they played Achilles as straight, and he was so broken up by Hector killing his ‘cousin’ Patroclus. 😂 just his beloved cousin whom he brought with him to war and shared his tent with. Totally just a cousin.
Ok but like I hate it when people out of school assume that we still aren’t taught about stuff. Cuz in my state, we learned about queer people in literature, we had queer sex-Ed,and we just learned about intersex people. I know that it’s like this in very few places, but they say “it’s not” like it’s not at all happening.
That's a very recent development and your area may be in a minority. Because all of those literature things I heard about from social media more than a decade after I left school, with the sole exception of Dickinson, and even then my teacher tried to say she was asexual. Hell, they GOT RID OF SEX ED at my school my freshman year. This is why I'm learning to be a sex educator.
Not at my school unfortunately. (Conservative Christian school 🙄) One time (last year) we had a English poetry project and we had to do it on a modern poet. One of the groups on my English class had to redo there entire project because the poet they did it on was a lesbian. Luckily this is my last year there. I’m going to public school next year for high school and I don’t have to be closeted any more
As an aro-ace who experiences 0 romantic and sexual attraction, i also agree that gay and bi erasure is really annoying. My family very easily assume that as soon as im close to a male friend then something is going on, it's annoying because it makes it seem like i'll not be enough until having a loving partner but also because they dont do the same with my female friends that im actually more close to. Bruh, I have already said i dont care about gender. You're missing the point in multiple ways
Ugh. My girlfriend works in child care. One day at her work a couple of little 5 year old girls declared they were going to marry each other when they grow up. My girlfriend's idiot boss just had to open up her mouth and tell them that two girls can't get married, only girls and boys can... Not only is that factually untrue as same sex marriage is legal here, but there's a married openly gay man on staff. She was the freaking one who hired him. It pissed off one of the other employees so much that she gave a blistering lecture to her own boss about not saying crap like.
Fun fact: in addition to Michelangelo and Leonardo (da Vinci), Donatello was also probably gay. Raphael was probably straight, but this still means 75% of the turtles were LGBTQ+. 🐢🐢🐢🏳🌈
Chris Hallbeck, the one with the archeology comic, is so wholesome and inclusive and funny and just so sweet. He has a RU-vid channel where he uploads nearly daily one of these little cartoons. I really love those and I was so hyped that Jamie included one of his cartoons 😍
Finally I found you again! I'm subscribed to so many youtubers I couldn't find you in the long, long list. ITS BEEN WEEKS. LITERALLY. *Proceeds to bingewatch videos.*
The one at 5:00 was in reference to chapter 5 of Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney. Personally, I think it's supposed to show that Ema is being young and naive about her sister's feelings. I think the worst erasure is when the second game was translated to anime and they turned the lesbian couple into sisters.
when i was in college i became obsessed with willa cather's writing. I even wrote my senior thesis on her books. the professor we had, however, was very open minded, and he pointed out that she was most likely a lesbian and even pointed out stuff in the books that hinted at that, and so we did look at the books through that lens, and it really helps to fully understand the writer.
so here's a fun story about gay erasure: my very much gay friend (a guy) was taking driving lessons last week and his boyfriend countlessly picked him up after the lessons, and they hugged and everything, which the driving instructor was very much aware of. and one time my other friend, a very much lesbian girl picked him up and driving instructor would not stop refering to her as my friend's *girlfriend* from that point on, even after he told the instructor that they are not in a relationship and referred to his actual boyfriend as his partner. But his teacher just... decided to ignore it i guess?? he even joked around being very homophobic.
Oh my god! People always say "if you're a man and a woman of a similar age and have any remote relationship you are now boyfriend and girlfriend" even if you openly state you're gay.
@@commandercorl1544 fr XD only my two highschool effeminate gay friends could not get erasured, because people would assume and understand they were gay for not being macho But bet that if i had a macho gay friend, a gym bro with beard, everyone would think he is straight 🤡, when usually, if men are extremely macho, are also signs of them being queer as well. I mean, i've seen in my town entire groups of 8 intimidating 6' tall bikers, fat or buffed with beards and braids, like modern vikings, and they were gay... But bet that if they were seen alone each of em, they'd be confused as straight. But in the end i like those ultra macho gays because homophobes piss their pants off. They wouldnt like in attacking 7 guys who are +6' tall and who are wider than a closet with intimidating faces and tatoos. I have a gay classmate who is enormous, a gentle giant,, and he told us how some homophobes he encountered, being more little than him, were scared 🤣 and that shows how cowards they are, going against effeminate chill guys because they assume they're all weak... until one femboy is black belt and makes them regret it :/
@@xd._.28234 Exactly. People think all gay men are feminine because "Well, if they're attracted to men they have to be feminine, because someone has to be the woman in the relationship" and it goes the opposite with lesbians.
Thank you , Dr. Jamie! For this delightful romp, and for the upcoming refilling of the Gay Meter! I look forward to that! Whoever sees this, you are valid. Regardless of how you define yourself, how others see you, or which side of the closet door you're on. Blessed day/night to you. 🙏❤🏳🌈🏳⚧
Started reading Simon Cowells book ‘My Wild Life’ and he explained that, as a kid, he lived on a road with many of his school teachers, and one of these nice lady’s lived with her ‘female companion’ with many animals, no kids, just the two of them, in the 50s/60s and he didn’t twig until writing about it recently that they probably weren’t ‘just friends’ 😂😂
What's extra frustrating about the archeological discoveries is that somehow two people comforting each other when they're about to die just HAS to be romantic, EXCEPT when they're both "the same gender". Like, can we just not calling these finds "the lovers"? 'Cause we don't actually know they were "in love". It's just two humans holding each other as they die.
Oh my god! We started Shakespeare last week for English in HS and the teacher just straight up told us Bill Wigglestick was bi and laughed at some historian’s attempts to explain it away XD
As a Mauritian, it always warms my heart to hear you and Shaaba mentioning Mauritius from time to time :') Love you guys ~ a fellow (teen) bisexual mess
@@krimsonkatt Mauritius is an island nation east of Madagascar. Though, next time I do encourage you to look it up before telling someone something about their identity sounds made-up/fantasy. Edit: I'm sure you didn't mean it in that way, but it may come off that way.
Isaac Newton, gay alchemist who invented calculus. Let’s just cut that middle bit out. Isaac Newton … … who invented calculus. There ya go! Ready for the history book!
i mean i'm just so happy that gay people choose to date their best friends. that seems like a very strong foundation for a lifelong relationship. it's literally what i'm striving for.
Your french accent is quite impressive actually ! Also, considering you've never lived in a french-speaking country for a while, you're doing amazingly well. Good job man ! Alright french pride over, now time to watch the video.
DaVinci: "Oh my boyfriend is so handsome and kind, he is my reason to be!" Church: "Paint us the savior, the reason to live, the divine son." DaVinci: "I will paint you my reason to live looking divine for sure! He's in my... 'workshop'... right now actually."
me and my gf (lesbian relationship) went over to my parents house and she met them for the first time and i told my mum shes my gf and at the end of our covo my mum said “you two are such great friends aren’t you?” and me and my gf just walked right out and drove back to our house. we sat in silence and disbelief on the whole way home. ;~;
The Shakespeare one was mentioned to me in school. Then I did my French speaking competition piece on Shakespeare and his attraction to men was a whole section 😂
1:48 I kid you not, I screamed out loud and dropped my phone. I love Chris Hallbeck's animations so much and I was really surprised, but happy, to see him in this video -v-
Did you know The Little Mermaid (as in the original by Hans Christian Anderson) was written by him so he could his expression by not being able to be with the man he loved. That's why it's so gruesome and doesn't really have a happy ending.
