We living in a good time, speaker today have different frequency response, directivity or colors, but most cheap top brand speakers have enough detail and linear response to make a good track! Genelec is portable and have amazing build quality, yamaha is big and bass strong. greetings
I've owned Genelec 8020 monitors since the mid 2000's when they first came out. They saved me as up until then I had used JBL 6208 monitors which were okay but the tweeter could easily get damaged, then there was the Samson Resolvs, which can't be mixed on at all. I A/B the 8020 with first generation KRK Rokits back in the mid 2000 and could hear straight away why the 8020 was twice the price of the Rokit even though it's less than half the size. I use 8020 monitors in my studio and I take 8010 with me when I travel. I get enough bass response that my mixes translate to other systems which is what I want so I'm happy with my Genelecs.
how big the room would need to be for the Yamahas, otherwise, when is your room to big for the genelecs? meaning, an estimate in measures, or can I give you my studio measures so you can guide me better?
@@cmgerner I would go for larger Genelecs if the room is big. 8020 monitors have been great for me in small and mid size rooms. In my smaller studio I have 8010 monitors that are still very capable for mixing on. If I had a larger room and really needed larger monitors I wouldn't go more than the 8040 monitors, and even then I think it's a bit overkill. 8030's are probably the best for best of both worlds IMO
@@RoomAtTheTopStudio the room where Im planning to build my home studio is Length: 3.16meters Width: 2.80meters and Height: 2.18meters. I have some light acoustic treatment, with some panels on the main reflecting points, and of course my Yamaha's HS8, but idk if its to overkill for the room size, or i'll get better sound quality with some 8020 since the 30's on my country are way out of my budget.
@@cmgerner Your room is small to mid size. 8020 will be ideal for this size room. HS8 are for when you want to reference the low end, but the 8020 will give you everything you need. I still use the Samson Resolv monitors for my reference for low end. It's over fifteen years that I've been using 8020 in different rooms with different acoustics and they have always done the job well.
I own and use both these fine pairs of speakers. I like the Genelecs in a smaller studio environment, as they don't push too much air, aren't affected so much by room quirks and take up no space. They have a decent sweet spot for a small speaker. I use the Yamaha's (matched pair) in a bigger room. They are gorgeous, sound gorgeous and have a bigger sweet spot. They need to be well positioned, in a properly treated room, like most larger studio monitors. I get awesome mixes with either pair. If I had to give an edge to either one of them, (and I don't) I'd give it to the Yamaha's. They are very hard to beat for mixing and mastering. I strongly suggest the matched pair for an even better experience.
Hi there! I own a pair of Yamaha HS7s.Maybe you can help me.Looking to upgrade to Genelec.I'm using it for djing in an untreated room, and I don't usually push my speakers to the maximum so I don't really need more powerful speakers. Do you think is the 8020D is the right alternative for the HS7 or should I aim for the 8030?Subwoofer at the moment is out of the question, and using the Yamahas without one.
@@gal3sz I think being in an untreated room dictates what speakers will work best. A smaller speaker will be less affected by the room itself, although you don't want to give them too rough of an environment to work in. If you can spring the coin for the 8030's, they are a super speaker and I think you would be quite happy with them when comparing to the HS7. That said, the 8020's are a fine choice as well. They have plenty of good solid bass as well.
@@worldgonewrong2049 Hey there!Doing some research and most of the people pointing me towards the 8030C.Kinda like the 8020D as its small and the specs are very similar compared to the 8030.What can be the main difference?
@@gal3sz At this point, you would need to audition them for yourself. If you can't do that, maybe there's some comparisons on youtube to help you hear the differences. From my recollection, I didn't go for the 8030c's at the time because of price and the fact that there was not, in my opinion, a sufficient increase in quality of sound to warrant the difference. I had a plan to engage a subwoofer at some point, but so far I have been able to do great mixes with what I have. My musical arrangements don't involve much in the way of extreme low bass, so I can wait on the sub. Between the 8020d and the HS8MP, and a very good set of headphones, I can get done anything I require. The 8030c's might have had a more linear frequency response than the 8020d's but if i recall I thought they sounded a bit hyped up compared to the 8020. But that's all subjective and you need to make that determination yourself if you can. The journey is a lot of fun though...
@@gal3sz Get the 8030, don't bother with the 8020, it's too small for DJ'ing. I have HS80, KH120 with KH805 sub and recently had the 8020 in the studio. The 8020 is too small to enjoy yourself DJ-ing, they go Loud but not much bass, i'm not in a huge room either, get the 8030 without a doubt, you need great bass response to enjoy yourself DJ-ing, regardless if ur in a small or big room, you can add some treatment or play at lower volumes, but if the speaker has no bass, it will not sound fun. Honestly if i was to buy speakers for DJ-ing only, i would buy some active PA speakers made for DJ booths, some smaller ones like 10" and get proper sound instead of these small studio monitors, you can get some Outline made in italy active monitors for the price of these 8030.
na opposite actually. The hs8 are more rounded and flat, sounds more as the original track. But they will sound bad in small rooms. The genelecs are better at small rooms, and the genelecs miss some top end and clarity, its a bit boxier sound then the yam but it does have a bit better instrument separation and better mids.
The size of the HS8 competes with the Genelec 8040. The 8020 keeps pace with the HS8. Ok, there’s a smaller bass drive and the top has a little slope, but the Yamaha is a bit bow-nose. The stereo stage bigger at the Yamaha. In this case the response curve lies, because we can hear more different.
Definitely the Genelacs for transparency and neutrality. You could almost use the HS8 for daily listening usage, the lack of bass in the Gens make it purely a studio monitor. I think the Genelac is the only speaker on this channel that dont sound messy with Man On Fire and Metal Head. Instrument separation is next level on this thing.
My 8020 monitors give me a great bass sound. I think they can be tuned to do this as I have no need for a subwoofer or to get 8030 or 8040 monitors for my room. I did contemplate it a few years ago but TBH the 8020 monitors work for a small to mid size room.
Dude, the frequency response clearly shows that these Genelec have a massive cut in the lows, which makes it phony and not neutral at all and affects a lot the sound as you can hear
Agreed, the soundstage and depth was much bigger on the gens, while the Yams had more bass, they sounded smaller in the mids and more contained overall.
The idea behind all Genelec speakers is to cut the part of the frequency range where accuracy wouldn't be good enough. If you want deep bass, you want a DSP corrected sub anyway (I prefer DSpeaker correction because they can fix group delay, too, whereas many other DSPs only touch the frequency response).
@@ashflame6888 because you say so with your twisted perception, Yamaha is not to your taste and that's totally understandable but then that doesn't make it the norm and neither absolute. It is but a matter of personal opinion or else Yamaha would be out of music business for long, they don't just make monitors FYI. You are free to voice your opinion here but not impose on others just because of your emotional stance. My ears are fine thank you, time you get the webs out of your head.
to hear that the 4-inch on the 8020 competes with the 8-inch on the hs8 is something. The Genelec lost on the mids bc you get a flatter sound on the hs8 rather than the 8020 and that's because of the size difference, you get a fuller sound on the bigger tweeter and sub of course.
Genelec sounds like "a part of" something pjenomenal (while other parts are missing). Yamaha sounds like a whole thing, though not pretty amazing. In any HS8 video i can hear certain emphasized frequecies, as if the sound is passed through a short sized tube, which i am not sure if can be canceled with something like Sonarworks. Now, i am thinking either 8020+ a sub or 8030 pairs.
I knew g. is superflat and hs8 is not so....... how is krk rp10-3 g4 compared with genelec ???(flatness (I know is 26hz low) is gonna appear a g5 soon ?.....would that be flat ?....
It's a 4 inch speaker compared to a 8..not the best to test. The gens have no sub bass at all unless your in a tiny room. Impossible to mix with if you use anything under 60hz in a mix let me tell you that right now. There more suited to guitar music and general portable recording unless you get the 8040. Aside that you could use the 8020 for general a b mix checking, but there no good for electronic music producers simply as 4 inch are too small. Also the gens are really bright there is a tilt switch for it which sort of helps very mildly but without proper acoustic treatment you won't get full benefits either way
can u plz say how low bands in diff genrs sing ??? ex.: metallica, judas priest, manowar, saxon, twis-siss, a-cooper, queen, beatles, elvis, azucar moreno g-kings other latino, clasical, jazz, pop madonna m-jacks, etc etc.... THX!
I own a pair of HS8 and a 15” sub. It sounds great. Good overall sound for lows, mids, and highs. Has higher self noise than Genelics. Genelics sound great too. Less ear fatigue and more transparent mids than HS8. Better for mastering. Both are good for mixing.
@@benardlorrabellanosa Get the Neumann KH 120 instead. I have the HS80, KH120 and recently had the Genelec 8020 in my studio and compared all. The Genelec 8020 are more aggressive sounding and you need something more contrasting to the HS8, something that is completely different and not harsh. You will get tired mixing with the HS8 and Genelecs only.
Ns10's seen in the studio space made everyone at some stage want the HS series, as we all thought it was cool and the price isn't bad either. But they are not like the NS range at all 🤣😭🤣
They are roughly the same price. If you want same size, you would have to go with Genelec 8040 already and those are like 4x more expensive speakers than HS8. Of course, Genelec would beat Yamaha for speakers with equal outside dimensions.
@@marcocarbone_ the genelecs sounds a bit more boxy and dont have that top end clarity which hs8 has though, but the genelecs got better mids and instrument seperation
@@MG-ln1yw the genelecs lack clarity at the top end though and are a bit boxy. But they got better intrument seperation, detail and mids than the hs8. so it depends
@@ashflame6888 huh, I had both years ago, I was one of the first buyers of 8020s when they released. You better work some more to be able not to choose from these two, bot
