You could include more acoustic instrumental music - for example at least one symphonic orchestra with a classical piece. It reveals a lot of information that the music you included does not do too well (separation (how a choir would sound is a very good test for that), dynamic, weight/impact of music, realism of different instruments, feeling/echos of the room/hall etc)
As you probably can see (and hopefully hear) we have new microphone setup - a matched pair of SE Electronic SE8 mics - replacing the stock Zoom H6 XY capsules. It does sound much fuller and more balanced in my opinion, but it also introduces some floor noise, and that is something I will have to work on in the future. Hope you guys enjoy the new setup! Let me know what you think in the comments below! Cheers!
@@DSAUDIOreview I see. Well as long as it is not out of phase, it will be OK I guess. It's very hard to judge correctly the sound of the speakers as they are a lot of variables, but I have always listen to the difference in the same video instead. So I can guess if one speaker is brighter or bassy than the other. Keep up the good work.
@@anoncapitalist7045 if you're in australia, wireless 1 had a boxing day 10% off sale, and 15% off for black friday. keep an eye out on ozbargain for them :D
Listening a $800 Edifier speakers through $60 Edifier speakers (R1000T4) Have been listening to HS8 comparisons and convinced to save up for a pair. Much cheaper than S3000pro
The edifiers are not studio monitors...the yamahas are not hi fi home multipurpose speakers with lots of features. Yamahas are tools not designed to sound nice, designed to work in a studio..2 different worlds and aplication. Interesting to see how they compare. There is NOT a winner here. Its imposible to be one. What fruit wins? An orange or an apple? Always Interesting thanks for the video.
But the s3000pro has xlr inputs which means and a monitor settling which means they could be used for studio monitors plus it has treble and bass adjustment knobs in the back too.
I don't fully agree. The Edifiers frequency response graph is practically identical to that of the HS8. Edifier has a 'monitor' mode with a falt response curve. This video does not say in which mode the Edifiers were set when this test was conducted. If it was set to dynamic, treble would definitely have been emphasised. If the test was conducted in motor mode, then the Edifier is a clear winner for detail. And detail is what counts when mixing and mastering; to hear those things you would otherwise not hear.
@@John_van_Kleef So in your opinion there is no reason for me to replace my Edifiers for the Yamaha if I want to use them for mixing and mastering? I couldn't find a proper comment on this question anywhere.
Yamaha HS8 appears more balanced. With every comparison (also other channels) I found the S3000 a little treble heavy and out of balance with the mids, although sounding great. Thanks!
it sounded harsh on the mic (recorded) because it is using horn type tweeters compared on the yamaha w/c uses dome type. In person the Edifier sounds great and straight forward and not that harsh sounding on the treble side.
HS-8 sounds more natural, Edifier mids got a little out of hand on a couple of those tracks while the HS-8 had them tamed across all songs. Of the 2 i'd definitely go with the HS-8's
I've owned a pair of the S3000 pro(s) now for over a year. There are a lot of variables to testing these speakers as a few people here have mentioned and although this appears to me to be representing their 'classic' mode (Default) accurately; we have to go over a few things before you decide if you want them or not. These speakers sound MANY times better after the break-in period though I did have to run them around 30-40 combined hours to get them there. The act of raising the volume from the source has a much smaller impact than raising the volume on the Edifiers' amp. As a matter of fact, once the amplifiers really start to open up it can get a little scary. There are additional tonal qualities from the mid-bass that start to shine through and you can always turn the treble down a little to further balance the frequencies. I blasted "Supermarine" from the Dunkirk 2017 soundtrack (edifiers set to dynamic) and it was frightening Another thing is that you do not want to use these in to large of an environment. I run them mostly in a 9x18' concrete room with a few acoustic panels I can feel the bass a little bit in my chest when brass instruments or bass guitars are really popping off at louder volumes and they never distort. I brought them into a larger room and they had to be positioned much closer to the wall to fill out the bass detail which isn't so great if you have an apartment or condo. Buy a sub if you want powerful bass below 40 hz. I'd suggest SVS for movies. REL for music. Rythmik or Rogersound Labs for both. Run these through a receiver with pre-outs.
Thanks for all of your bother with these reviews and comparisons. I have watched a lot of your video's and I am always impressed. One slight remark about this particular video... it would appear as if you pointed the mics more towards the tweeters of the edifier S3000 Pro, With the Yamaha HS8 they would appear to be pointed more towards the middle between the tweeter and the woofer. Hence, the highs of the Edifier appear clearer to me. Is it just optical illusion, or were the mics positioned slightly higher for the Edifiers? If so, this would not be a truly representative comparison.
The mics were not moved, the yamahas are simply taller speakers than the edifiers hence the difference. I do believe it should be adjusted but that would then be inaccurate because the speakers would be measured with a different mic position every time. Good catch though.
Exactly my thoughts I was wondering whether I was deaf or the people singing high praises for edifier were. Edifier just seems sibilant and harsh, the Yamaha's have a more soothing pleasant balanced sound
Hi guys, U got the best idea about HiFi testing on planet ! Speaking about sound is to subjective and pointless. If I may suggest something, please change presentation order: 1. Original track 2. First set. 3. Original track. 4. Second set. 5. First set. I think it would be the best way to hear the difference between original tracks and both sets. Keep up the good work and switch on the support channel option !
I listening your comparison with my Edifier Luna Eclipse HD 2.0 calibrated with REW and Equalizer APO, and it's seems that Edifier S3000pro have more spatialisation and clarity of tweeter, Yamaha seems more regular when I look the frequency response, do you confirm ? Your new micros are cool and reproduce a good sound measure.
Edifier sounds really nice here, surprisingly brighter in comparison to H8 on some instances. The metal song was reproduced flatter, felt seemingly less exciting with Yamies. Edifier got bit more busy and coloured over hi mids, I felt could become overhelming - such as in the classic music case. Nevertheless this sweet Edifier remains clear throughout the range, but still Yamaha is more transparent and revealing in my opinion. Very similar punch and transient response in both, at least here in limited comparison. Surprised the Edifier sounded pretty revealing, next to some serious monitor competition!
Look at the frequency response curve. Its lacking vs bass vs the HS8 (which is a flat bass speaker) and then the highs roll off sharply while HS8 is a lot higher/flatter. Its not V shaped its ^ shaped (relative to the HS8s)
@@JoshyLats Still, it sounds bright. No way to set it even brighter. Also, if the "dynamic" mode works similarly to the one in the r2000DB, then it also mushes the stage a bit.
Yamaha wins this one for me. They simply sounds more "musical". The top end is a bit warmer and less shrill. Bass response is amazingly close, despite the mid/bass driver size difference.
Both accurate, Yamaha drab, dull on some tracks, but accurate as possible, lacking it seems low and high end, accurate tho. Edifier more expansive, sometimes to shrill, too bright, but accurate. Just voiced different. For recording, of course the Yamaha, for listening, prefer the Edifier mostly, not always, but need to watch that tweet on edifier. Looking at the graph, its plain the contrast is coming from the more difference between high peak and base, Yamahas have a little less than the edifier. Edifier sound more fun for sure, Yamaha's are for work, edifiers for party and listening pleasure.
my S3000 pro on dynamic sounds so great 🤩🤩🤩💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼 on wich mode where your S3000?? Not on dynamic i think on monitor they sound to flat, that's only good for mixing, not for listen to music
I have the s3000 pro since release and dont consider them too bright in monitor mode. I think i know what flat is supposed to sound like because i have the sennheiser hd600 with sonarworks profile and etymotic er2se/er4xr to compare. I like the vocal preset aswell because it makes the mids slightly stronger like the etymotics. I do use the dial to lower the bass by a few db because i dont want it getting center of attention. O and they can go extremely loud without distorting.
@@yuriythebest I think they are great at low level. At very low levels you could also use the dynamic preset to boost bass and treble with the press of a button. I cant think of anything that could be improved in terms of sound quality if you ask me.
@@gullibleskeptic3237 thank you so much! I'm thinking them of having them at my desk - will having them close, i.e. around 1 meter, will it be ok for "relaxing/background music" listening while working?
@@yuriythebest im sure you will love it. If you place them against a wall you might want to turn the bass all the way down but thats a matter of preference. I like a flat signature where the bass is on the same level as the rest of the music.
Listened in my s3000pro. Yamaha sounds more boomy and darker. Maybe with better bass and depth. But is very similar to the source. S3000 pro sounds more detailed, clearly better mids and highs.
Listened in my s3000pro. Yamaha sounds much better! You use wrong DSP profile. (may be Dynamic) need to listen at "Vocal" bcz "monitior" have little deep at mids. Other profile not for flat sound. To much V-shape for fun music listening.
@@AsgardsGlory Also happen listening in Monitor or Classic DSP. imo it seems that the HS8 loses some detail at mids and highs because it had a very strong and deep bass. The s3000 pro sounds more balanced, and the detail in the highs are outstanding.
The Edifiers have DSP so you can select between different modes? Dynamic/Classic/Vocal/Monitor You don’t say which mode it’s in? I’m guessing Monitor? I’ve owned mine for 3 years now and use them for music and movies. Zero problems. For that use I just put them in Dynamic. They sound much more lively and airy at the top and still have good bass. Mine are on stands. Sitting 3.5 meters away in a 40 square meter room with vaulted ceilings they read 85db at only 60% volume so way powerful enough for most duties. I might add an SVS 3000micro sub in the future to release them from driving to frequencies below 80Hz but that would only be icing on the cake. It’s not vital. They already sound good enough. I’m European, but live in Asia. In EU the price is around 600-700 Euros? Over here the price is just RIDICULOUS at 380 EUROS a pair!!!! They are a no brainer at 700 Euros. At 380 they are giving them away!😎 These are brilliant speakers and much more connectable and multi use than the Yamahas. Unless you wan’t the single minded classic studio vibes of the HS8’s then the S3000Pro’s are a much more practical speaker with good build quality and great sound. The only annoying thing with the MK1 is that you can’t tell what volume they are at easily when using the remote control as they don’t have a visual display showing the volume level from 1 to 50? You have to turn them down to zero using the remote, then count the blinks on the front LED as you slowly increase volume. I think the MK2 uses an app to control EQ/DSP/volume, so a big improvement in functionality over the MK1. If they had a sub out and bass management in the app you might as well forget about KEF LS50II’s. They are 4-500% more expensive without the expensive KEF stands! Edifier might rule the world if they did the decent thing and brought out a MK3 with those added features! If I wanted an amazing system today in 2024 for music and 2.1 movies that will blow anything out of the water worth 3000 + Euros I’d go for the S3000PRO MK2’s and also the brand new WIIM Ultra wireless DAC. It has sub out with bass management AND ROOM CORRECTION! Amazing functionality with their app and constant improvements with regular updates. All that for 350 Euros!!!! Add an SVS 1000Pro sub and you have a whole wireless system for around 1600 Euros. You just won’t find better until you start spending multiple thousands. Highly recommend.👍
@@ghawk78 Speaker business 80% marketing ... Americans are best at it. Give them a listen .. I couldn't bear a pair of Klipsch floor standers. I thought I'm weird my hearing is bad. Godamn shouties.
@@rockfella27 I own Magnepans so that is my reference for judging other loudspeakers. I heard a pair of Klipschhorns several years ago and I liked them very much. They were very different than my Maggies but still good.
Hi I need a set of a 2.0 speakers with built in Amp. I need the best one there is on the market, which one would You recommend? Leaving a thumbs up, subscribed
@@xxxxxx-ef7ni well, its part of the speaker so you cannot discount or discredit it. That's what makes it sing. It's like saying the Yamaha is better engineered, otherwise Edifier wins. Makes no sense. Those Yamaha sound great, no doubt, they are after all what I would consider as reference studio monitors. And the Eddys are just a pair of high quality multimedia speakers. They're really close!
@@kas4751 what are you talking about?? Yamaha has only amplifier. Edifier had amp + soundcard. That's why every single comparison of edifier to other speakers it looks like edifier sounds crispier and more natural. That's a merit of built in soundcard that all the other rivals don't have
@@kas4751 if Yamaha had the same dac it could sound way better. Edifier are the only speakers on this Chanel that have own dac onboard. also airpulse has dac cause its also edifiers brand
The Edifier mid-high is too much, harsh, there over where the Yamaha little bit less:-). Maybe the Yamaha closer for original. You use the mic's correction data for measuring? Of course for the difference only it could be works. I downloaded your video and loaded the audio into a DAW and compare the original track and the loudspeakers with a spectrum analizer. You could do it. Use the same part of the music and merge diagrams. Just an idea from me. And we can see the difference, of course at the measuring you measure, the whole chain. (audio intreface, mic, etc.) Big thumb.
@@DSAUDIOreview OK. You measure the frequence responce with UMIK-1 and record the music with the other SE 8 or Zoom H6. Is it right? I think will be good thing compare the recorded audio :-), because it shown how to reflect the loudspeaker , the dinamics, SPL changing,etc. Other thing you try the measures with different SPL level. EBU listening level 78dB and lower music listening level and we could see the linearity. And we find out which is the best volume for that speaker. By the way so i know when you add 3dB at 1Khz (EQ) the most of speaker don't increase 3dB exactly. The good studio monitors ATC, PCM, etc. follow the changing well. I write as a side note. I know this is other coffee house.:-). I know it's more works for you. I just try to understand what we see and hear... the world.
You cant compare studio monitors and loudspeakers. Lol at all the ppl saying "yamaha wins" or "edifier wins". Youre trying to compare between 2 different mindsets. Its like comparing women that wear makeup (loudspeakers) with women that dont (studio monitors). You can compare, but it's not fair. With all this said, can you connect a subwoofer to the HS8? And if so, how? Thanks
I dont know what are you guys talkin abt edifier being good? the hs8 has that low range and complete and sounds close to original with the original track even has more sub bass range...the edifier just cut out the low range so it feels clear and spacious ...tracks like mortals and deep proves this...you just cant feel the engulfing sub 40hz in the edifier....
У с3000 проблемы со средними и высокими Высокие выпячены , а средник отодвинуты Нижние очень похожи у обоих Ямаха еще шире сцена Не понимаю как ямаха с 8 динамиком играет лучше средину и при этом отлично низ
I noticed in the video the mics are pointed directly at the tweeters of the s3000, where the yamaha you have them pointed lower.. Maybe why the s3000 sounds brighter
S3000pros tweeter is miles ahead but the woofer just can't compete with the 8 inch for detail. I know the s3000pro can boost the bass, but I doubt it would be as detailed. Looking at the frequency response less than 200 hz, sure the edifier gets low, but its not really sticking to the same distance away from HS8. I guess the DSP, port tuning, voice coil, and diaphragm light weight help s3000pro get close but i still think that isn't enough to enable a 6.5 inch driver to deliver the same bass as an 8 inch. Just like the 4 inch MTM, it gets amazingly low, but its just not the same. Sure, can go "Dynamic" mode and increase the bass boost knob. But I guess that would just be an un-detailed sound, boosted higher. I can't help but wonder what Edifier could do with an 8 or 10 inch driver. Eliminate the need for that deep subwoofer impact. Even better would be a 3 way with a 5 inch. Its been 1.5 years. Hopefully S4000pro isn't too far away. Nothing else can really compete with that tweeter....
@@waichungsham1578 i just measure mines and you are right and wrong! it is only 7 Inches, haha, but this precious monitor is the bang for the buck, like a 68 mustang.
hi I have a question people...first these S3000Pro are on sale for 850 ( canadian ) 630 ( USD ) so a nice price....i currently have a Bose 600 soundbar and a 500 module connected via HDMI Arc....CAN I ALSO HOOK THESE SPEAKERS VIA OPTICAL AND USE ALL OF THE SPEAKERS FOR MY TV ?...I really hope so...cheers all
No one got "winner", it's two different speaker built, for Yamaha sounds so flat, clear too, good for monitors and dialog, edifier great for music and movies
I don't know which one is more accurate, but the bass definitely extends lower on HS8. I got HS8 in the hopes to get that visceral sound in movies and games where you feel the space around you vibrating when I ship flies by, without the need to buy a subwoofer. And it definitely shows in this test. Looking up S3000Pro it's not surprise that it has a woofer that is 1.5" smaller.
I am thinking a lot about these speakers for my living room for music and also movies and TV. I dont care about the bluetooth and so on, so regarding sound in a mid field environment, which one would be better?
HS8 has great bass, but that metallic treble, not sure I could live with it. But on the second track it's obvious they both need a sub. Overall unimpressed with these monitors for the price.
I have a lot of new speakers and videos to edit, so going back and redoing the old ones is not something I plan to do any time soon. I hope you understand. Cheers!
Yamaha is more balanced and accurate. Edi's sound good, the highs seem a bit bright though.Consequently harder on your Ears over time. Nearfield the Yamaha wins again.
The Edifiers are not bright at all, they have an EQ for the Highs and Lows... and have very pleasant and detailed highs that will put a smile on your face. The Yamahas do sound more neutral but not as enjoyable for music/movies.
Yamaha is true monitor edifier is not.That been said if connect Yamaha with a serious source you get best overall results but with edifier you get what you paid for.
Terrible mic setup, S3000 Pro have way more bass than the Yamaha HS8.... I own the S3000 Pro and they are amazing (don't even need a sub) and IMO they destroy the Yamahas since they have a weak low end. My dj buddy owns the HS8, heard them a bunch of times and was unimpressed mainly due to the weak bass. The Edifiers sound more musical and pleasant to listen to but if you are dj go with the Yamahas since they are very neutral and less colored.
The frequency response graph in this video clearly shows the HS8 go lower and louder. The Yamaha's have more than enough bass output anyone would need in most rooms. You cannot compare the performance of two different speakers heard in two different rooms, It's an apples vs oranges comparison. More than likely the bass performance you're hearing from your Edifiers is actually the effect of a room mode/standing waves, Not the true bass output of the S3000 Pro.
@@JesusChristSaves2024 first of all this video is complete garbage since it completely skews Edifier's actual sound. Let's just say that the Edifiers seem to have a sub attached to them and the Yamahas don't. Yes it is that obvious no matter where you place the speakers. Yes when it comes to pure bass it is apples vs oranges comparison.
The Yamaha HS5 looks similar to the Yamaha HS8, but that's where the similarities end. Yamaha HS8 is the best studio monitor for the money, Yamaha HS5 is the worst. Anything is better than the Yamaha HS5.
I myself used the comparison vs Yamaha HS8 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-YeLuVKtBvYY.html , and i adjusted the sound using the 31band Graphic Equalizer add-on from Foobar2000.org website. My sound is now perfect to my hears no metallic sound and pleasing freqeuncies from lows to highs, more in sync with the HS8. Out the box the S3000 are not the best tuned speakers, but it can easily be remediated by using a 31 band Graphic Equalizer ! www.foobar2000.org/components/view/foo_dsp_xgeq Here is my preset settings in monitor mode tuned www.mediafire.com/file/qtgbh8xgzwjypjm/Edifier_S3000PRO_Monitor_Tuned.xgeq/file . If you want more bass you can always raise the 40hz and 50 hz but i would not try to raise like 31hz 25 hz or 20hz for safety concern ! Give it a try, make sure you use Monitor mode. You will see that using a 31 band graphic equalizer is the way to go, and anyone can adjust to their own preferences !!
