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Genitour or Elite Skirmisher? 

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If you have access to both the Genitour and Elite Skirmisher, which one should you pick? Well, it's complicated...
1:10 Castle Age comparison
4:11 Elite Skirmisher vs Genitour
4:40 vs crossbows
5:30 vs pikemen
6:00 vs cavalry archers
7:17 vs elephant archers
8:10 vs camel archers
9:20 Imperial Age comparison
10:11 Elite Skirmisher vs Elite Genitour
10:38 vs arbalester
11:15 vs halberdier
11:37 vs heavy cavalry archer
12:20 Elite camel archer vs cav archers
13:05 vs elite elephant archer
14:00 Imperial Skirmisher vs Elite Genitour
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@vileluca
@vileluca Год назад
The answer is, of course, Teutonic Knight
@BiteMeBuddy
@BiteMeBuddy Год назад
Call an ambulance but not for meeeeeeee
@9051team
@9051team Год назад
You'll catch them..... Eventually...
@vileluca
@vileluca Год назад
@@9051team Their base can't run away!
@misterq1823
@misterq1823 Год назад
Compelled by faith, thou have no choice.
@Weldedhodag
@Weldedhodag Год назад
funny thing is that Genitour actually is a great choice for anti archer damage for teutons due to the faster movement speed making up for lacking bracer (not by much, but every little bit helps)
@jurgnobs1308
@jurgnobs1308 Год назад
a big difference with cav archers is that it is much harder to avoid the fight against genitours than against skirms
@jakab174
@jakab174 Год назад
thats the biggest i think
@jurgnobs1308
@jurgnobs1308 Год назад
@@jakab174 yea. mobility makes a huge difference, at least at higher level play. chosing engagements is big
@CG-eh6oe
@CG-eh6oe Год назад
Id actually say thats even more important with xbow than with ca. CA outruns both genitour and skirm. It cant run circles around genitours, but it can flee and strike again at a different place. However, xbow can run from skirms, making even a small group of xbow a real nuissance to clear up with skirms because you will have to chase over half the map. Genitours on the other hand can just clear them up instantly.
@jurgnobs1308
@jurgnobs1308 Год назад
@@CG-eh6oe good point
@jakab174
@jakab174 Год назад
i had a game against spain, conquistadors would have been much harder to counter if i dont have these units. They just cant hit and run
@blacky6552
@blacky6552 Год назад
If you have the Vietnamese and the Berbers as teammates, you should get the legendary "Imperial Genitour". Does it make sense historically? Who cares, sounds like a fun addition!
@elkingoh4543
@elkingoh4543 Год назад
😂😂😂👍
@afz902k
@afz902k Год назад
And if you're allied with an elephant civ, you should get the imperial elephant skirmisher
@elkingoh4543
@elkingoh4543 Год назад
@@afz902k 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ITzzHamaX
@ITzzHamaX Год назад
10:52 elite skirmisher with blood lines wow what a unit
@eRic-hr3yl
@eRic-hr3yl Год назад
they breed just the finest of skirmishers
@nelsonmejiaslozada9362
@nelsonmejiaslozada9362 Год назад
111111
@garlicohen960
@garlicohen960 Год назад
I don't like where this is going... eugenics in AoE2?
@markpunkbro118
@markpunkbro118 Год назад
It's coming in the new DLC the Whittakers
@brycenczachorowski2830
@brycenczachorowski2830 Год назад
well bred skirmishers do matter
@cfv7461
@cfv7461 Год назад
I miss the intro :( I am really happy every time i see it
@darkmx0z
@darkmx0z Год назад
same :(
@cfv7461
@cfv7461 Год назад
@@darkmx0z let's make the intro come back!!
@redman1458
@redman1458 Год назад
@@cfv7461 Im with you
@WikiHL
@WikiHL Год назад
Wasn't it in the previous video? Or maybe two videos ago
@cfv7461
@cfv7461 Год назад
@@WikiHL it was, is like a mirage appearing some times and others not
@austinpugmire2843
@austinpugmire2843 Год назад
I think one of the most important situations wasn't addressed. The chase down. Early castle if your opponent comes across to your base with crossbows and you show up with several gen, they arent escaping. No chance to run back to base safely.
@JJBeauregard1
@JJBeauregard1 Год назад
The civ that would benefit the most of the Genitour has to be the Turks, right? They go from having non-Elite Skirmishers to fully upgraded Genitours with yet another 20 HP from the unique tech. There's even additional synergies like preferring fast imperial strategies where the Genitour seems to arguably outshine the Skirmisher anyway and being a gun powder civ that should be able to easily handle Pikes and Helbardiers. Seems like a match made in heaven!
@battleforevermore
@battleforevermore Год назад
Can Turks get imp skirm with Vietnamese ally?
@Quackily
@Quackily Год назад
@@battleforevermore No
@StraightEdgeNexus
@StraightEdgeNexus Год назад
There's the question, why would you use skirm like units in a teamgame
@humanbass
@humanbass Год назад
@@StraightEdgeNexus elite genitours with extra 20hp is quite tanky af
@Runenschuppe
@Runenschuppe Год назад
@@StraightEdgeNexus "Why skirms in a team game?" Because the gold is running low. Maybe your trade got disrupted. Maybe you quickly need to build up mass. Have you never encountered trash battles in late-game team games? A Turk player likely already has the infrastructure to mass genitours, because they tend to build cav archers. The typical Turks units are Cav Archers, Janissary and Bombard Cannons (and Camels), all very gold intensive. They do get the Hussar for free (and are likely to already have researched blood lines and husbandry), but that is all the trash they can count on. So adding the genitour as a way to supplement your forces when gold runs low is a godsend. Especially if they are used to pad your cav archer force to fight through slow trickling trade as a way to keep up numbers.
@troydowns7748
@troydowns7748 Год назад
I really wish more civs had constant access to genitour. It could be like the step lancer or ele archer where a small handful have them in their tech tree.
@DCdabest
@DCdabest Год назад
The Spanish, Portugese and Berbers should have them as they are based on the Iberian light cavalry units called Jinetes
@MrTheQuestioner
@MrTheQuestioner Год назад
I think Turks would be an excellent civ to be given access to the genitour! We need more regional-unique units
@08vinster
@08vinster Год назад
agree some other civs should get the genitour, as it stands the camel archer (along with cheaper cavalry) fillls such a big hole that we rarely see genitours , because they're almost unnecessary, whereas if other civs (that lacked the counters that berbers have access to) had access to genitours, we would actually see them used
@CrnaStrela
@CrnaStrela Год назад
Yeah Genitours should have been a regional unit instead, give Berbers new team bonus. Probably Kasbah effect can be turned into team bonus but obviously with lower percentages, then as new UT you can get something that specifically affects the Genitours or both Genitours and Camel Archers
@josiahgibson6373
@josiahgibson6373 Год назад
@@CrnaStrela You could make it a regional unit, and still let the Berbers have the same team bonus. Alternatively, you could give an additional bonus for civs that already have the unit. For example: Team Bonus: Genitors are available at the Archery Range. For teammates that already had access to Genitors, they gain +50% build speed.
@TheKobasen
@TheKobasen Год назад
I think I'll try to change into genitour because you can flee when the battle seems losing. Also, it's faster to reach hill to get hill bonus.
@TheFirstLanx
@TheFirstLanx Год назад
Another worthwhile consideration might be not whether they win in a counter matchup, but how fast they can win it. Particularly in the castle age tests, skirmishers seemed to be clearing out a lot of their targets way faster than the genitour did, which could be relevant if you're bringing them to protect other units.
@frankieseward8667
@frankieseward8667 Год назад
Definitely interesting. Both have merits.
@fulguratingbean9489
@fulguratingbean9489 Год назад
This is very enlightening. As a modder, I like to make imperial skirmishers and genitours into regular parts of the tech tree, and the balance has always been quite a challenge for me. Thanks for clearing that up!
@shykorustotora
@shykorustotora Год назад
Ah yes~ The classic team up of 1182 where the Berbers and Vietnamese helped the Aztecs fight back against the Lazer Raptors during the third Viking Age
@thegreenpianist7683
@thegreenpianist7683 Год назад
I can't imagine the amount of work that goes into these videos, kudos!
@SethBennion
@SethBennion Год назад
One of the things that would have been helpful to include was their effectiveness against Mangudai.
@lagg1e
@lagg1e Год назад
Look at the test against heavy cavalry archer. Mangudai are similar, taking more damage and dealing more damage.
@SethBennion
@SethBennion Год назад
@@lagg1e I guess you might be right, but the fast fire rate of the mangudai and that 1 extra attack can make a HUGE difference, just like the Lithuanians' tower shields on skirms makes them WAY stronger than normal ones vs cav archers or even arbalests.
@marktgaydos
@marktgaydos Год назад
Always informative. Thanks. I like the dramatic zoom to "go in deeper" at 1:50. :)
@morkaili
@morkaili Год назад
Ahhh there it is, the video I suggested / requestedand and was looking forward, too. Thanks for the long and well made explanation and again for covering this topic SotL. ;)
@shannonmikko9865
@shannonmikko9865 Год назад
Always a good day when Spirit uploads
@CaptScrotes
@CaptScrotes Год назад
Brilliant video. As always. Loving these deeps dives!
@bedwarssimple7615
@bedwarssimple7615 Год назад
Thanks! That definitly changed my view of the genitours
@ellec5959
@ellec5959 Год назад
Very well done video! I love to see the comparison with imperial skirms too
@ambrascetnarwhal2695
@ambrascetnarwhal2695 Год назад
The reasons why I love your videos is that I love AoE 2 DE and I love Maths and statistics. Never stop these videos, please! If you make the 2nd part of this video, please include all possible cav archer bonuses that whether they apply to them or not. It was a bit dissappointing that Parthian tactics doesn't affect them and I'd like to know which upgrades do.
@rosco2do
@rosco2do Год назад
I havn't played aoe2 in so long but I watch your videos as soon as they come out every time because they're always amazing. Keep up the great work my friend, and be well.
@TBPetitP
@TBPetitP Год назад
Spirit, never worry about longer videos, I'd watch a whole hour of video with your soothing voice
@chrisedlin1391
@chrisedlin1391 Год назад
Nice to see not all of SOTL's videos are sneaking in ads.
@apookatzgaming8770
@apookatzgaming8770 Год назад
"Short end of the javelin" -Spirit of the Law, 2022
@AlessAbreu
@AlessAbreu Год назад
That's a fine video, great job
@Eunostos
@Eunostos Год назад
There's an intangible happiness in getting to use a unit which is not normally available.
@dayz_jedi8288
@dayz_jedi8288 Год назад
Hey Spirit of the Law👋i have never commented on one of your videos before despite watching many of them but i just wanted to let you know that i enjoy your videos a lot. I dont even play the game i just play the old aoe2 game from time to time offline but your videos are so entertaining and your calm voice makes them so realxing to watch :) keep up the good work brother
@bladactania
@bladactania Год назад
It doesn't make sense to me that Genitors take anti- cavalry bonus damage, but don't get any benefit from Parthian tactics. They're either cavalry archers or they aren't. Needs to be consistent.
@MidwestBoom
@MidwestBoom Год назад
Doesn't make any sense but it's probably a balancing issue
@Progeusz
@Progeusz Год назад
@@MidwestBoom They almost never get used so it should be fine to try out...
@madeiraislander
@madeiraislander Год назад
yeah they should benefit from Parthian tactics, same as Arambai.
@vunguyenxuanhoang7422
@vunguyenxuanhoang7422 Год назад
I prefer Genitor in case enemy mass Mango or have a lot of Knight. They also very good when raiding because I can send them stand directly under enemy TC then start attacking villager around with other units
@USAltefore
@USAltefore Год назад
I was getting anxious about whether you would mention Vietnamese Imperial Skirmishers!
@ambrascetnarwhal2695
@ambrascetnarwhal2695 Год назад
Or Vietnamese Genitours with +20% HP. ;)
@bionetik
@bionetik Год назад
Please don't worry that these Videos go on for too long, We love them like this. Also pls take a look at Condottieri and which ones become the best with Civ Bonuses
@CrnaStrela
@CrnaStrela Год назад
So in the case of camel archers I think you forgot to mention one thing, genitour has 3s reload time which is fixed and cannot be improved anymore while Camel Archers have 2s reload time and can be further brought down to 1.64s reload time, that's almost twice as fast as Genitour reload on top of higher base damage basically makes them much better against cav archers. So in a situation where you are able train camel archers and when you know your opponents are going for cav archers, there's little reason to go for Genitours especially if the opponent also throw halbs as meatshield.
@annaairahala9462
@annaairahala9462 Год назад
9:48 it should add up to +4 vs cav archers in imperial, since CA recieve damage from both archer and cav archer armor classes, the elite genitour has a +1 base +3 bonus damage vs CA adding up to +4
@elephantt2077
@elephantt2077 Год назад
Didn't expect Doremy pfp here
@varunmanjunath9123
@varunmanjunath9123 Год назад
@@elephantt2077 Touhou fans playing AoE2, let's gooooooo!
@sammyflo6098
@sammyflo6098 Год назад
I have bene playing the berbers the last 2 weeks and this video is exactly what my brain wanted, what timing.
@matthewwilhelm3093
@matthewwilhelm3093 Год назад
That zoom on "to go a bit deeper" killed me
@massi940
@massi940 Год назад
Aha so I was using them right! They are really appealing now after the patch, especially in imperial age but also in early castle I think! You can switch to genitours with just the blacksmith upgrades (and as Berbers you should already have the cavalry techs) without having to invest also in elite skirmishers
@davidgg8318
@davidgg8318 Год назад
Does the Dravidian +25% attack speed affect Genitours as well? If so, it would be among the best in terms of countering archers.
@frankieseward8667
@frankieseward8667 Год назад
We'll find out next video.
@jagosvujovic2086
@jagosvujovic2086 Год назад
yes but dravidians dont get husbandry or bloodlines though
@Jallorn
@Jallorn Год назад
I'm more curious about the increased counter damage Gujara mounted units get
@spaak3465
@spaak3465 Год назад
@@Jallorn 200 IQ play, but not sure if the bonus damage is enough to compensate for missing armour
@Jallorn
@Jallorn Год назад
@@spaak3465 Fair, it just feels like a fun combo
@arishsiddiqui3292
@arishsiddiqui3292 Год назад
I feel now that SOTL has covered every possible question any one can have about AOE. Just amazing !
@calilaployploy2827
@calilaployploy2827 Год назад
Yay new video!
@mcarpen89
@mcarpen89 Год назад
I had subtitles turned on from another video I was watching and I'm dying to learn more about these "janitor sieves" you speak of
@mcarpen89
@mcarpen89 Год назад
And who could forget the ELITE JANITORS!?!? Iconic
@CatsLilaSalem
@CatsLilaSalem Год назад
Oh i remeber now being so confused by the first genetour in the older game, like a miltia throwing spears with a cav archer portrait. I did not know what it was supposed to be back then
@curlywhites
@curlywhites Год назад
Yeah, that blew my mind actually. Totally forgot about them until he showed it.
@Sunlight91
@Sunlight91 Год назад
What about surviving siege? Aren't skirmisher dying instantly from a mangonel?
@ursleiter5611
@ursleiter5611 Год назад
#14:00 I've waited the whole video for this. :') Always liked Genitours. Don't think I ever used them much.
@brentwoodson1453
@brentwoodson1453 Год назад
Thanks!
@tyleramon8371
@tyleramon8371 Год назад
Hey SOTL! I've been debating with myself if using Scorpions are better than using Elephant Archers as Gurjara's, both seem to do really well vs Pikemen! The Elephant takes extra bonus damage from Pikes, so they both take roughly the same amount of hits to kill! They are also both very slow units! It would be interesting to see a video compairing the two in different situations and scenarios!
@osiris3676
@osiris3676 Год назад
i would have liked to see the camel archer vs the elephant archer too
@nicklab1927
@nicklab1927 2 месяца назад
Genitours can more easily avoid dangerous fights, or dodge mangonel shots. Also, if you happen to have shitty skirms, genitours would be a very welcome addition. I'm also thinking about cavalry civs running into a bunch of archers, for whom the genitour will not be as big of a speed hindrance.
@DuizhangLu
@DuizhangLu Год назад
Something very important which should have been mentioned in the video as to why skirms are generally favored over genitours is that skirms can be massed beginning in feudal. Genitours will perform better in most cases, but is it better to have 10 skirms or 1 genitour in early Castle?
@punbug4721
@punbug4721 Год назад
If you're Inca with a Berber ally, and you research Andean sling, do your Genitours lose their minimum range? And if so, is that better or worse vs. pikes/halbs?
@arthurcapelli4304
@arthurcapelli4304 Год назад
It says at 11:41 that the skirms are doing 12 damage while genitours are doing 9.. isn't it wrong? Each shot of the genitour seems to be giving more damage, maybe the elite bonus
@CrnaStrela
@CrnaStrela Год назад
No it's not elite bonuses, I believe SOTL did made a mistake here, Skirms only deal 1 damage against FU cav archers so majority of their dmg are from bonus dmg which are 4 against archers + 2 against mounted archers for total 7 + 1 = 8 dmg, while Elite Genitours have 1 more attack which reduced by FU CA would resulted in 2 dmg + 5 against archers + 2 against mounted archers for total of 9 dmg. For Skirms to deal 12 dmg to cav archers, they need to be missing parthian tactics and ring archer armor which shouldn't be applicable in the discussion about Japanese FU CA who has both.
@imsmeagol911
@imsmeagol911 Год назад
Please make a video about the caravanserai.
@PanicStation1337
@PanicStation1337 Год назад
Love the Deep dive, dont worry about the lenthg of the video
@brendandidycz5480
@brendandidycz5480 Год назад
How much would the results have changed if you accounted for the Bloodlines cost when balancing large groups?
@cmckee42
@cmckee42 Год назад
In the next video, I would be very amused to see the comparison for the turks non-elite skirm vs one of the best elite genitours.
@trystanclemenceau2071
@trystanclemenceau2071 Год назад
4:40 nice reference to the original "counter chart" that came with the game
@sedatpurut3113
@sedatpurut3113 Год назад
i click up vote before watch. bec of i know always good video
@hbarudi
@hbarudi Год назад
Genitour in general games is good to make when you have access to the unit. Franks get somewhere in between as they don't get bloodlines but get their bonus. It would be nice for the franks to get +24 hp for bloodlines if researched using the scenario editor...
@ThePheonixon
@ThePheonixon Год назад
I wish you'd included the scout line in your tests
@jahnmark2864
@jahnmark2864 Год назад
I would love if you brought back the intro
@sirfilipeb
@sirfilipeb Год назад
I genuinely do wonder if they'll ever consider giving this unit to the Iberians instead, as it was used by them in the Reconquista due to their lack of cavalry archers, which the Moors did not lack. Though, I doubt it. Either way, very underrated unit, love using it.
@RicardoAlmeidatm
@RicardoAlmeidatm Год назад
the good thing about genitours is that they have pretty much the same upgrades as skirms. If you are also making knights it's always better to switch to genitour late game for more tankyness and speed.
@Mephaistus
@Mephaistus Год назад
You can give Britons quite a headache if you manage to mass both, Skirms and Genitours, But requires you to micro them behind your skirms if they do pikes as counter.
@MoRDekai1364
@MoRDekai1364 Год назад
These two units + konnik are mine favorite in the game😁
@adwans1491
@adwans1491 Год назад
I want a swiss Nation which has the third spearman upgrade as a team bonus. Like calling it the swiss guard or imperial Halbedier.
@hanzzel6086
@hanzzel6086 Год назад
So, if you're mostly focusing on knights/cav archers, Genitours to add some more versatility/tankieness. If you're building archers, skirmishers, for the same reasons (but won't outrun their allies so easily).
@staceymeikle514
@staceymeikle514 Год назад
yeeeees i will digest this information I will never realistically use with goblin glee
@Davtwan
@Davtwan Год назад
All in all, civs that give extra units as a team bonus are one of the best types of bonuses.
@tizioita
@tizioita Год назад
We want the Next video 🤩 let's go dravidian genitour
@landonlecoq5660
@landonlecoq5660 Год назад
Sipahi Genitours can feel tempting to go into as Turks turning a weakness into a strength
@DarkAngelZz59
@DarkAngelZz59 Год назад
aaah yes, the janitor sleeves (subtitles for "genitour civs", wonder if it was on purpose as those are not automatic subs)
@naveenraj8300
@naveenraj8300 Год назад
Tier list for skirmishers which civilization have best plsssssss
@humanbass
@humanbass Год назад
Does the Mongol faster firing bonus apply to them?
@valger3652
@valger3652 Год назад
yes, Mongols and Dravidians 25% faster attack
@freezy898
@freezy898 Год назад
Is forgotten empires available in definitive editon
@Bndr11
@Bndr11 Год назад
Nice
@drakZes
@drakZes Год назад
Some civs do have Elite Skirm upgrade though.
@user-kb4bv6ko2k
@user-kb4bv6ko2k Год назад
Ok bois so we need an anti-archer unit, any ideas? Half bois: SKIRMISHER Other half bois: GENITOUR That one Goth dude: Huskarl and Onager ftw
@aralornwolf3140
@aralornwolf3140 Год назад
Khmer: Scorp Eles are best!
@odysseas573
@odysseas573 Год назад
How is it possible that there are more comments than the minutes since the upload?
@voyagerdeepspaceexploratio5023
@voyagerdeepspaceexploratio5023 Месяц назад
Its probably always a matter of civ bonuses and synergies.
@f13rro37
@f13rro37 Год назад
Sicilian Genitours should be really good against their regular counter units, specially against the pike-line. Unfortunately they don't have thumbring nor the last armor upgrade.
@elkingoh4543
@elkingoh4543 Год назад
I love to combine both Genitour and Camel Archer together went fight against many Archers unit. Especially tag team with Vietnamese and Britons
@tkzsfen
@tkzsfen Год назад
Hey Spirit, what are the fastest and slowest units in the game?
@markvanderwerf8592
@markvanderwerf8592 Год назад
Shrivamsha rider and monk
@NguyenThanhGiaHuy
@NguyenThanhGiaHuy Год назад
Review "Condottiero or Champion" pls?
@mertroll1
@mertroll1 Год назад
As a Turk player I can 100% confirm that i prefer the genitours over the skirms
@derikaem8021
@derikaem8021 Год назад
the real question is mostly: when is it worth it to switch from skirm to genitour? or: upgrade skirms to elite or just switch?
@ryanforgo3500
@ryanforgo3500 10 месяцев назад
After playing the game a while i came back to say one thing, genitours are so good for china as i'd been struggling with how skirmishers range is longer than chinese chu ko nu and skirms end up standing behind and while the expensive important unit dies. Elite genitours woll completely fix this problem, as they both have same range but the genitours speed woll allow them to path back in front always and tanking, while chu ko nu will also fix the "spearman line" problem for elite genitours. Such a beautiful nstural combination it is.
@hallamhal
@hallamhal Год назад
I still have a copy of AOC where the Genitour in the scenario editor has the militia skin 😂
@piatansfair
@piatansfair Год назад
Correction: At 10:56 should be "Elite Genitours with bloodlines"
@notevenclown9304
@notevenclown9304 Год назад
at 10:56 you said the elite skirmisher with bloddlines xd instead of elite genitours and it was hilarious af xd
@31088489
@31088489 Год назад
thx
@GuillerminoPanyVino
@GuillerminoPanyVino Год назад
receives extra Anti CA dmg, doesn't get Parthian tactics balance right??
@whitehavencpu6813
@whitehavencpu6813 Год назад
The main advantage of Genitours is that they can pick their fights. Skirms lose to cavalry and other infantry(militia and UU lines), while Genitours have the option to simply run away from infantry and cavalry. This also allows them to kite certain units that they would otherwise not counter.
@Ratciclefan
@Ratciclefan Год назад
oh wow
@ollyclass
@ollyclass Год назад
Genitours seem like the better option in team games more mobile probably gonna pick up bloodlines for knights and better in early castle and post imp.
@sagargupta9740
@sagargupta9740 Год назад
I don't even play aoe anymore, but still, I like his videos
@aintfalco7968
@aintfalco7968 Год назад
Glad they got buffed
@puttanesca621
@puttanesca621 Год назад
@10:54: "The Elite Skirmisher, with bloodlines, is the only one...". Which civs get bloodlines for their skirmishers? 🙂
@esilvano
@esilvano Год назад
i dont know about genitour vs archer.Yesterday against britons i coudnt handle the croosbow with genitour.Weird,with all the techs
@mihailkondov4773
@mihailkondov4773 Год назад
When comparing them to camel archers you have to consider that usually army comps have some kind of melee frontline to soak the damage, and the archers in the back are to attack and don't take many hits, so camel archers are way better in most cases.
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