Praying on the 8tb. We need an affordable 8tb nvme drive. Currently all the 8tb drives are over triple the price of flagship 4tb drives while also being moderately worse performance, ik part of the lower performance is from issues with scaling to 8tb but no, most of the 8tb nvme drives are straight up older by a couple years which is more reason for them to be priced lower than 3x the current flagship 4tb drives yet they aren't.
@Frozoken Well maybe because it's hard to fit 8tb of FAST storage in such a small form factor. It'll get cheaper as the years go on, but you need to under that were fitting 8 Terabytes of storage with a speed of 7,000+ Megabytes Per Second, in something as small as a stick of gum. Yes we can do it, but it's an expensive process to do so.
@@MitchellTheMitch Yeah but they've done it nearly 3 years ago and it's about the same price to this day while samsung is releasing single sided 4tb drives with the 990 pro so it can't be that hard to make a double sided 8tb one now in 2024
The PM1743 is Samsungs first (announced) gen5 SSD, the 990 EVO is the first gen5 consumer SSD. The idea behind this drive is interesting but right now it seems expensive for a drive with no devices that can really take advantage of it, maybe Samsung knows something about devices coming down the line with gen5 x2 m.2 slots or something?
Sure, but for that you still need to have a mobo that allow you to switch your x4 M.2 slot to a x2. If your mobo hava a bunch of ports but disable half of them when the other half is populated, it wont give you any benefits. So, forget low-end, and with that mass adoption.
@@lamikal2515if more manufacturers make drives that can switch between two lane and four lane operation, I wouldn't be surprised if manufacturers start including more m.2 interfaces that are two lane pcie5
@@Crystawth Sure, but if it's just used as a crutch to reduce costs, as they would only include the standard 1 or 2 ports, and not more of them, it won't be of any good for the consumers.
No it does not, it takes a full 4x slot and uses only 2 lines from it. That does not mean you can use more cards, the mainboard will automatically dedicate 4x lines to a 4x slot, even if you use only 2x lines on it. There are of course better mainboards where you can do manual bifurcation and use a x16 slot like 4x4x4x4x . If the mainboard does not have that manual bifurcation and you put an 4x card in a x16 slot it will use only 4x lines, if you put an adapter with 4 M.2 SSDs and your mainboard doesn't have manual bifurcation, only one of the SSDs will show up. So in practice it doesn't matter that his particular Samsung "gives up" two lines. You can just put a regular faster PCIe 4.0 SSD in that PCI 5.0 slot and it'll work with PCI 4.0 4x speed... no need to give up 2 lines for an unknown reason. These PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots always have dedicated 4 lines.
I bought two of these for my new system I just built. The plan was to put one of those drives in the Gen 5 slot expecting it to run at Gen 5 speeds. Kinda hard to do when it only uses 2 lanes. So now both those drives are in the Gen 4 slots and I'm now running a Crucial T700 in the Gen 5 slot. I do have some games installed on one of the 990 Evos and it seems plenty fast. I'm more focused having Windows on the fastest drive. So far, so good.
Gotta shout out the WDsn850x but actually for its real write endurance. Despite being rated for 1200TBW my drive took 20TB written to lose 1% meaning it's actually a 2000TBW drive which is very high endurance. It also has a very large SLC cache which is what is needed for consistent performance
If this was 7300mbps and limited to pcie 4.0 x4 or pcie 5.0 x2, it would have been a great product. It still takes up 4 lanes of pcie 4.0 without giving out that much performance.. thumbs down. I'm better off with a faster pcie 4.0 x4 drive reaching max bandwidth.
@@lucasrem new AM5 PC with 7800x3d and 4070 I bought the 1tb t500 for $64 T700 price is $160 for 1tb I only game and some little video editing. T500 is a better value for money, T500 is fastest gen4 ssd atm with 7300mb/s and 6800 write speed.
@willy7968 Not quite the fastest gen 4 but very close nonetheless especially for only upper mid range price. It has some weird performance issues when you run out of slc cache and the 990 pro beats it in low queue depth random reads (what matters for real world performance unlike sequential speeds) but regardless it's actually 2nd in that metric which is very impressive imo for a non flagship drive and at least the size of said SLC cache is about double the 990 pro so ur less likely to run out in the first place. Either way while not literally the best gen 4 drive it's damn near it and $65 is a steal for what is better than *most* flagship gen 4 drives.
@@Frozoken That's true.... it's not the fastest in extreme usage when it runs out of SLC cache. But in reality, the only extreme usage of SSD for me is video editing and I edit on external SSD cos I might edit on my Mac/PC
@@willy7968 I mean I did say not the fastest regardless (that's the 990 pro) I'm just nitpicking there while when out of SLC cache it's actually a noticeable difference.
I just installed a 2TB Samsung 990 EVO into my laptop computer, and it's an excellent Gen4 SSD for a laptop. It tends to run a bit hot under load, so I added a flat copper heatsink that is held on by rubber bands and fits inside the laptop. That keeps it below 60 C even with a large sequential write. Sequential read/write is a bit slow but overall performance is really snappy, just as the PCMark 10 benchmark shows. So my experience using the 990 EVO agrees very well with everything your report says.
Life Span is what I'm more interested in, when I'm writing & reading Video files that tend to be in the upper 25-30Gb file size, like from a HD camcorder and when recording with OBS to get higher quality videos.
This drive is more efficient than other nvme drives. That means it will definitely run cooler. Especially when you consider that it uses only 2 PCIE 5.0 lanes instead of the usually four. I mean the normal 5.0 x4 ones always have heat problems due to their high power consumption
At least in Europe it actually retails a bit higher than the 990PRO which is not good at all. This should have been 30-40 euros cheaper at least. Prices are insane right now. I m also looking into buying the 14700 non K and it is priced higher than the K version!
Thanks for the info - makes sense to me more and more watching your great informative videos, Found in UK £147 for their 2 TB Version (Direct Samsung UK).
Yes, you'll just lose x2 lines without bifurcation. It's like putting an x8 GPU in a x16 slot, you just lose x8 lines, which do not magically show up anywhere.
The X670E only supports x4x4 bifurcation on that second slot, so you'd be limited to a x8 gfx card, 2x nvme in the hyper card in second slot, 1x nvme in the CPU connected PCIe m.2 and a second in the chipset connected m.2.
@4:00 - so, someone might invent some sort of Frankenstein 4 x M.2 SSD Gen 5 and Gen 5 PCIe graphics card combined? What have you there? Oh, the latest 4090 Hyper M.2 Graphics drive...
I can see the argument for this kind of drive but there are issues with the marketplace. Drives are sold on speed and this thing is slow on paper compared to others. Most building systems are not that worried about pcie lanes unless they are loading up on peripherals at which point they already want that straight up gen 5 drive for what they do. I think this is too much complexity to sell as much as i think limiting the lanes used is a good idea since 5GB/s is plenty fast for practical use
I don't see is the complexity part but agree with the rest... I actually think it's just cheaper for them judging how this gen one of the things both AMD and Nvidia cheaped out was PCi-e lanes on their GPUs while mostly only AMD did it last gen but it became a huge problem too for ppl with old PCI-e 3.0 PC's that want to upgrade GPU some of their most recent GPUs perform worse than buying so much cheaper used last gen GPUs and getting the real PCI-e X16 version... But in terms of drives I also think Samsung 990 is enough and therefore cutting it's PCI-e lanes aren't really damaging it like the GPUs. Instead would have been better was to get lots of M.2 slots PCI 5.0 2x on any modern motherboard even the cheapest ones instead of getting sometimes only 1 M.2 pci 5.0 4x and being able to add much more SSDs in the future cause it's something we need to sadly be constantly adding more if we dont want to keep deleting data to put new stuff. Ps: I actually have a decently fast enough for me M.2 PCI 4.0 SSD and I'm even far from getting it's full speed on my old PCI 3.0 PC and don't care, but I went for a used Strix RX6700XT so I wouldn't dare loosing any FPS from the PCI lanes since I'm already loosing more than enough on the PC being old...
And the thing is 'It doesn't matter'. Why? Because most slots are x4 and even if it uses x2 slots on Gen5 they are not doing anything great by sparing extra x2 slots. They just wanted to market it as Gen 5 that's it.
Launched just after ssd manufacturers said "we need prices to go to the moon". If we tell the manufacturers this great, how long until they start massively cutting back direct to CPU lanes? "If GPU only needs 8 lanes lets give them 8 for top slot, 2 for a gen5x2 nvme" 😂
this is GREAT.....i so badly wish everything did this...imagine taking your pcie 3.0 x4 slot and putting your pcie 2.0 x8 card in it nd GETTING full speed, thatd be KICKASS if these would autonegotiate
I would rather buy a Crucial T700 4TB Gen5 NVMe drive. I have been waiting for Samsung to come out with a 4TB Gen5 drive. And they come out with this crap. I currently own (x2) 990-Pro in Raid1 2TB. And been waiting to upgrade to a Gen5 4TB for a while now. Samsung's current 990-Pro Gen4 (4TB) are a bit over priced. Been waiting for a price reduction. Samsung is about to lose a customer as I have been having my eye on the Crucial T700 4TB Gen5.
yeah i assmed they would be dropping some crazy speed gen5 unit to rival the firecuda 2tb and the crucial you are on about but yeah strange decisions being made from South Korea.
990 Evo is what we need in Notebooks, low power solution, save power and PCIe Gen 5 lanes. Need a fast boot drive for a gaming system, this is not it, just to slow.
Should be just enough to run 14700k most loads you throw at it. There is the be quiet dark rock pro 5 or pro elite that will easily handle the 14700k or 14900k also
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Talking about power efficiency of a ssd when people wish that they had a 600W GPU to gain them a few frames/second and some shadows in a game….lol If power efficiency translates into less heat/longer life maybe. I just couldn’t help but laugh at power efficiency with today’s computers pretty much being the equivalent of a space heater in whatever room you use it in.
I dont think this is a great idea.. Because then you dont know what you are buying in the store. And have to first read previews / reviews online the see what the drive actually is. And then manufacturers will make M.2 Slots cheap to only provide Pci-e 5.0 x2 lanes instead of the usual x4 lanes. I dont see any benefit in that M.2 SSD.
TLC, modern mlc consumer drives literally don't exist and the only modern "consumer" slc drives are optane drives which are still not consumer price lol. Still can't believe MLC drives are extinct when TLC drives offer 3-5x worse endurance and reliability and about half the sustained speeds and moderately worse random performance. All for 50% more capacity. Capitalism really breeds innovation lmao.
oke sorry but, i`ve now been an IT pro for more then 20yrs... you`re just selling samsungs marketing here... i see zero advantages here, exept for maybe the thermal problams on gen 5 drives... but then again at 5.0 x2 this drive only delivers gen 4 speeds so there is no advantage. what a load of crap.
well ppl like you are the reason these speeds do not make any sense. A manufacturer can put out big numbers in the marketing department, but in actual use, it means very little. Sequential write & read speed above 1GB is a luxury. Consistently mind you... any drive that does 7GB/s only does it for a few minutes at most. It's only beneficial if you have short-bust type of workload with huge intervals in between.
You’ll notice that if you use CrystalDiskMark on USB 3 drives that are very similar in the top number like what they publish for the NVMe drives. Then make numerous copies of Linux ISO with YUMI which takes the ISO’s and copies all those files over to the USB. It’s those little files that make the big difference. It’s really those other numbers in the bottom 4 of the 8 that truly make the difference. My other two flash drives had significant poorer lower numbers of those last four and they took so much longer for the _Exact_ same files it was frustrating. So then after I ran CrysralDiskMark and took screen shoots and labeled the flash drives !!
I am sorry, but Samsung drives have given me nothing but trouble even reviewers. Putting them together any raid had 2 problem drives and only 2 worked.😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢 I use Kingston only and never have problems with them. They run lightning speed and destroy Samsung.
that's actually a great idea since No gamer or normal PC user even needs Gen4 speeds let alone Gen5 but this way you can have gen4 speeds with much less PCI-E lanes especially now how SSD price have fallen in comparison with few years ago
I don’t think the price is going to lower anytime soon. Half the drive is gen 5 and that’s why they price it the way they do. It’s just lower cost than other gen 5 drives because of the gen 4 half.
@@JayRello1buddy it's literally worse in every way than a 990 pro, gen 5 is not enough reason for it to be priced the same or above it. Especially when at a queue depth of 1 sequentially which is all you'll actually use for a big write, 2 lanes of gen 4 on the 990 pro will be very close if not the same throughput at the 990 evo. If you literally keep 90% of the evos advertised sequential write with 1 queue than ur at 3.8GB/s which can be achieved with 2 lanes of gen 4. "Wow guys let me pay more for the drive which is a sidegrade in one metric and worse in literally every other. That makes total sense!!" 😂
What really hurts is that the 990 PRO 2TB was _just_ $130, and a lot of people jumped on that deal. Now, Samsung tosses this out there "on sale" at $160, with worse performance and no DRAM. What are they thinking?
Just upgraded. 990 pro as os drive, and 990 evo as filedump for 4k video edit. Must say, that evo is perfect. love it. As files getting bigger, this card will be perfect as a pcie 4*m.2 card and 4*evo one day. So must be someone there need it now.
Hey, what's it like to use this drive in an external ssd enclosure? Something like 10gbps enclosure (I know it significantly slows the drive performance) because here in India, it's actually cheaper and better to buy internal SSDs and then put them in an enclosure that to buy external SSDs from reputable brands. My question exactly is, how does this drive handle sustained write tasks? How much does the speed drop when doing so? This question is based on the fact that this drive doesn't have a DRAM cache and has HMB instead, which I presume wouldn't work over USB 3.1 Protocol. PS: I use two 970 Evo plus in orico enclosure and I'm satisfied with them, but they aren't available in India anymore... And I'm not exactly rich, so I can't afford fancy 980 pro in thunderbolt enclosure as of the moment. These SSDs are cheaper than T7 and have two years of additional warranty.
I love redit go on there and everyone is proclaiming this to be the worst ssd purchase imaginable.. lots are recommending the 970 pro over it even, reminds me of the old camera megapixel wars, or the processors ghz wars... theres more to performance besides one big marketing number.
Nice idea but without agressive bifurcation support down to x2 (I.e. x2x2 in a x4 slot, multiple x4 connectors but only x2 gen5 support or x2x2x2x2+x8 in a x16) or gen5 x1 or x2 slots the extra lanes are wasted per connector. Intel z690 and z790 can only split the gen5 x16 slot into two x8 slots. AMD supports x4x4x4x4 but still not x2, so the xtra lanes are wasted anyway. Most x1 slots are gen3 except very few AMD that are gen4. So far ... Future will tell or Samsung already knows of future support... I know of a 10Gbps ethernet card that runns at x2 in Gen3 mode or x1 in gen4 ... Unfortunate I only have gen3 in the x1 slots so I waste a x4 slot for my older 10Gbps card. More gen5 x1 and x2 to the ppl.
It gets even better than that. It's also backwards compatible with Gen 3. PCIe specifications mandate that PCIe devices can fallback to previous generations of PCIe. You might not have compatibility with PCIe 1.0, but that would be because no one ever bothered to create NVME drivers for PCIe 1.0, not because of PCIe incompatability, but a lack of software/firmware for NVME support on PCIe 1.0 hardware.
Well that's just the norm, nothing to talk about just like you can put RTX4090 on a very old PCI-e until it works worse than a low end cheap GPU LOL...
These are actually cheaper than Crucial high performance NVMEs, both on the 1tb and 2tb version at my local Amazon. Considering the 990 drive failure fiasco, would it be a good idea to go for these for my new build?
I'm considering this for a video editing project drive.... I am just lazy to remove that brick of a graphics card to get to the m.2 slot..... I love how this is designed to save PCIE lanes... You can get this for 84 USD right now
My initial reaction is 'neat'. The DRAM issue makes it a no for me. However I think this hybrid approach sort of modularity m2 designs are excellent. I'm thinking a Framework motherboard with m2 instead of USB. Max speed to everyone xD
I really hope someone release some PCIe x16 to 8x NVME adapter. That way we could add a lot of extra storage for "cheap" for our NAS units and save some money without expensive solutions like the asus flashtore
You'll need a motherboard that allows bifurcation to the 2x lanes level, which many don't. There are already cards that support that many nvme devices but they need a plx chip and are expensive.
@@morosis82 yeah... that's the point. bifurcation cards are cheap af and if this became a thing, then every manufacturer would add bifucation support. Right now, Asus is probably the only manufacturer that add support to every single one of their boards since they also sell the hyper M2 cards.
Weird that a tech reviewer doesn’t understand that the motherboard has so many PCIe lanes and GPUs don’t add any to the total regardless of whether or not they have a NVME slot built in. Also strange that he didn’t comment on suggested retail price which puts the 2TB at $210 so not worth it.
no if i have a x8 gpu, u put it on x16 slot, kind of lost a lanes. That GPU idea allow u to use the full 16 lanes when ur gpu was place on x8 lane. Btw most tech reviewer r not ur typical gamers, they really don't have enough pcie lanes if they use consumer plaform. a x16 x8 ssd raid expansion card already take away 16/8 lanes, gpu take away another 16 lanes. if u need more hard drives, LSI card take another 8 lanes. If u do render where u want to use multiple gpu, u also used more lanes. And capture card also take away more lanes. If u r doing some more serious work on ur pc that also requires a lot of storage u will know that most consumer motherboard/platform lacks sufficient pcie lanes U r talking about a tech reviewer that gear a lot toward "creator", which usually complains about lack of pcie lanes from their workflow
@@789know Yes but giving up 2 lines will not magically give you 2 lines. That's like if your GPU is in a x16 slot and uses only x8 lines, the other x8 lines do not become "magically available". Also why will you give up your presumably valuable Gen 5.0 slot to that abomination?! If you just need a lot of space you hook up a 18TB HDD, if you need many SSDs you can put them where there are slots. Giving up 2 of your most valuable lines will not make them magically show up somewhere else. If you don't need Gen 5.0 SSD you can put fast gen 4.0 SSD in the same slot. If you need a lot of flexibility you get a board with lots of slots and manual bifurcation support. That SSD will give up 2 lines which in practice will not show up anywhere, the mainboard will still dedicate 4 lines there to that slot, you'll just not use 2 of them. Without manual bifurcation you get nothing, that drive will not "bifurcate" for you.
ok, i don't think you EVER show real world use, you just keep doing videos of NUMBERS. i want to see what is the point? when your editing, it gonna make, that much a difference vs a drive that is old one pcie 3.0 x4 vs this one, then try a drive that is pcie 4.0 x4 , all these numbers dont mean a whole lot. i want to see a visual comparison. i got a 64gb optane connected to a wd red pro, that gives me way higher number, or i also use Primocache ram and a wd black or red pro hd. you got 1 pcie 5.0 lane mostly and if you use it, it will knock your GPU Downt to pcie 4.0 X8 on most boards. good trade off? well?