For anybody just finding this video, remember that you can also change the project settings (bottom right gear) and under master settings modify the cache and proxy folders for individual projects. This just offers a little extra granularity when deciding which projects will be stored on different drives (depending on time frame, resolution, proxy/optimized media, etc.). Hope that helps someone who might want that extra bit of control!
I miss discussions like these. I was able to build my PC last 2018 and have rarely looked into videos like these. It's amazing that within that year and now, I was able to add more drives to my system the way I envisioned it (more or less the same as recommended in the video). That was some journey.
Buying NAS hard drives for regular storage with the intent to use them later in a NAS has one drawback. When you put them in the NAS, it will need to reformat the drives to build the NAS volumes, so you will still need other storage (local or cloud) to hold your data while you setup the NAS.
Bro you nailed it, absolutely nailed it!!! Also, very creative way to explain it with the boxes and drawlings on the table. I edit using Premiere Pro, and have a Ryzen 7 3800x, 32 GB's RAM, RTX 2060 6 GB, on an X570 Motherboard. Because I have a Gen 4 Mobo and CPU I have a (2) 1 TB Samsung 980 Pro Gen 4 Drives. One as my OS/Programs Drive, and the 2nd as my video (Content, Assets) drive. For my Adobe Media Cache Drive I just use a Samsung 860 SSD, and I also have some hooptie Dell 500 GB SSD just for random stuff. I have an 8 Bay NAS my buddy gave me. It's an older Drobo b810 Enterprise NAS. I just stuffed it with 1 TB drives. I get HDD's for $5 each, so my NAS isn't the best but it was very cheap and does the job. Once I'm finished with a project, I move everything to my NAS so I can keep my faster drives freed up. Great Video Man!!!
in my opinion the best and cheapest way is this: ssd: OS+programs nvme gen 3/4: high bitrate videos+temporary/cache files hdd: for the final renders/exports (whats your opinion of this setup?)
Good timing. I’ve been searching for more info on storage workflow in Resolve for the last few days. This is the best walkthrough I’ve seen. Thanks for the info!
Great video. Thanks for the advice. Have been running a single Gen 3 m.2 for both Project and Cache. Have decided to split it. New setup: Operating System: Samsung 980 PRO 2TB PCle 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSD (Gen 4) - NEW Project/ Assets: Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2 NVMe SSD (Gen 3) - OLD Project + Cache Cache: WD Western Digital WDS500G2B0C Blue SN550 500GB NVMe (Gen 3) - OLD OS Drive Archive HDD: Seagate IronWolf 10TB 3.5" NAS Hard Drive - NEW Will also be using part of the cache drive to cache the Archie HDD.
Thank you for the video and the comparisons on the different drives. Puget Systems recommends the Cache/Scratch drive be the fastest, and the OS/software at least a SATA SSD although they acknowledge "some improvements" if you go NVME. Those two are basically inverted from your setup. The explanation for cache being fastest is brief but it's basically the same one you give for putting OS on the fastest drive. If you (or someone reading this) could test both configurations for a future video it would be amazing! I'm thinking that having the cache on the fastest drive would only be truly beneficial with larger projects that use many cache/scratch files, and probably less noticeable with smaller projects. Thanks again!
That’s right! It should be inverted as Puget Recommends. A SATA SSD although it will load slower , once you’re up and running makes little to no difference when browsing thru one program. If you’re multi tasking and constantly opening and closing windows (outside of your editor ) then perhaps a NVME ssd will benefit you. Otherwise most people will be fine with a $30-50 256-500 GB SATA SSD.
Hi. Can anyone please help me with my query? Can I get a 1 TB NVMe SSD and partition it, using one partition for the OS, and the other partition for the Cache files (Davinci Resolve). Are there any drawbacks to this? Because I am getting a high speed 1 TB Nvme SSD very cheap and so was thinking of partitioning it like I mentioned. Thks.
@@mediatrix1111Hello! Assuming you're also installing all your software on the OS partition (not JUST the OS), you won't get the full benefit of the speed of having an NVMe SSD when you're using applications that are accessing both drives. There won't be any drawbacks regarding booting up and opening programs, but once you're using premiere or DaVinci with huge projects with lots of cache files, then it won't perform as fast as it would if they were on separate physical drives. In essence, you're basically connecting 2 drives to one connection and sharing its bandwidth, that being said, NVMes have gotten so fast that the difference will most likely be very minimal, and depending on your needs, probably even negligible. Again, it will affect you more the larger the projects and files you're working on are, but even then, it might not be a huge loss in performance for the cost, and probably a good upgrade if you're coming from an older/regular consumer SSD and even better if you're coming from a HDD. If you're only installing the OS on that drive, and using the other partition for the cache, then the difference will be even less, probably almost negligible.
You have the best videos. I’m just getting started with video editing and almost any question I have about computer gear you have a video about. Great work, thanks!
Very useful video because being only able to create content is not enough. More power, organisation, storage and speed = more efficiency = more success. Thank you for your work, it's really enjoyable !
We will be watching this video over and over there is such good information. We're getting our new custom built by Digital Storm tomorrow. Here's a quick list of what it has; i9-12900K, Z690-A MB, 64GB DDR5 4800, 1000 watt PS, 1x SSD 2TB 980 Pro, RTX3060Ti. We were wondering what other storage to get now we have the information to make a good decision. We are primarily engineering firm and would like to edit videos as well. Thank you!
Nice to see how you do it. I have Windows and some games on a Gen 3 NVME drive, 2 partitions - games and windows. A sata SSD for some random emulator games and random files, I guess I don't really need it but I had the drive laying around. Another sata SSD for video exports and again random programs (really organised lol.) A large NVME gen 3 drive for all of my pictures, raw video's and editing programs. Then 1 HDD for photo and video backup and also my brother in law his raw pictures bc he doesn't have his own PC. Then lastly a NAS for another backup of my photos and videos, and it's great to have worldwide access to it.
Fantastic video! I learned so much. Purchased a FireCuda and a 980 with your links for my first 2 levels. Gonna move the current SATA SSD to level 3. Will be back to watch again for the Davinci setup once the drives get here :)
Thanks for the insight into worflow storage as I am currently building a computer for content creation and streaming. It's a relief to hear that I'm on the right track, as i am novice to this environment. Cheers
Can you explain to me the point of the cache drive as I'm not sure I got the point in the video (no bad against this channel, more my basic knowledge), re temp files for after effects. I'm not sure why it would be writing lots of files. Do you effectively set the cache drive in AE settings.
With current pricing Sata 2.5" is almost same price with Nvme. 1TB fast Nvme for OS and (auto) cache, plus a 2 to 4TB Nvme for assets/data. Backup to at least 1 or 2 HDD every day. No separate temp drive is needed. We are not in 2005, access times are zero.
Great tips! I use a 980Pro 2TB for my OS. I work on two 970Evos' striped so I have 4TB drive that I work on and store most of my work and I can access it anytime really fast to complete a video from bits here and there. Since it's about gardening I sometimes need to reach to other seasons and years. I use 4 870Evo SSD's for a 16TB single-parity Windows Storage Spaces MainDrive that copies all my material from the scratch disk as well as holding all my archive material. It makes the drives pretty fast for READ speeds and I like having one big drive. Then all of that is backed up to two 870QVO 8TB that are striped into a 16TB drive. And the main drive is also copied to two hard drives, one of which is stored offsite and swapped out every few weeks. I know I have risks striping and RAIDing drives. But with such redundancy and how drives mostly seem to last, I'm not too concerned. I've got another 4TB 870EVO coming and am thinking of going into a double-parity with Windows Storage Spaces. I like your show!
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Just waiting for FedEx deliver my new PC with 3 NVMEs. This video helped me a lot as I was figuring out the configuration prior to ordering it. Until I get a NAS, the external HDDs I've been using for stock assets will be changed over to archive drives. Thanks for the info. Can't wait to set it up!
Excellent, best video for me so far. I use 4 cameras and my phone and will be adding drone capture soon. I'm pretty on the ba with files and storage but that was huge. I'm building my new pc next month so there's a lot riding on this, £1200 or so to start with. I've got started buying parts now. Gigabyte motherboard and i9 chip base. I've got my sata and ssd drives, M.2 and will have my ddr4 soon. Thanks for all the great advice 👍
If you use effects progrrams like After Effects or Fusion, I suggest going for durable m.2 nvme drives like samsung nvme ssds for your cache drive. Because these effects programs eat the drive's lives fast. And soon you'll experience BSOD and hangs in the pc not knowing it's the deteriorating life of the cheap ssds.
WOW. Just found your channel and it is freaking amazing! Love what you're doing in showing us best practices for storage and what products will get the best performance! I was searching to see what NVMe SSD and enclosure to get. The budget-conscious yet storage-hungry side of me is looking at the 4TB Crucial P3 Plus stick, but some of the stock enclosures out there are maxing at 1000/gb speed. Will the speed of that stick in Acasis 40gbps enclosure that you demo'd get better speeds? I'm lost in this world, and appreciate all the video help you're providing! Thank you!
You can use 10g nas or multi raid array thunderbolt instead of SSD for projects as nas run as fast as an SSD, and very little of the processing is done in the drive. 10gbis not expensive if you use fiber, and you can share your editing between multiple people. Raid drives with thunderbolt are also fast and use rotating drives.
Nas runs as fast as SSD? I mean yeah sure i know big scale Hitachi NAS for 500k USD ... My Home-Nas (Unraid) is based on drives+cache, still the 980s are still abit faster (5GB/s). Well nah actually 10x faster. And you need speed for editing and timeline scratching. I suggest 1 cache drive (nvme SSD / PCI 4), Raid 0 HDs in your workstation (with Primo Cache active) and NAS for backup.
Yeah, Gregor has a point even with 10g nas nvme ssds are still much faster. Fiber and 40g NAS is getting as close as nvme, but fhew... that's expensive... :)
@@theTechNotice i have not noticed a huge difference in premier between editing on a local nvme4 vs my 10g nas once the project loads. I personally like having only one copy on the nas as I have an editor who helps and can access my work. I do have a thunderbolt 3 raid which is pretty fast but its not much more useful than an external nvme ssd. Most of my projects load pretty quickly. I can understand your approach is maybe a little faster but you will spend time moving files to get started and finishing up
I gotta say I've only ever had one ssd fail. Ever. Compared to dozens of hard drives. If you look at backblaze statistics they find ssd's are more reliable than hard drives (or so it seems anyways). Over time ssd's have been becoming much more reliable while hard drives become more prone to failure as they get bigger and add more platters and read write heads. However, they fail in different ways and a failed hd is much easier to recover data from. The picture actually gets pretty complicated when you actually dig down into it. Personally I don't trust either of them lol. Backup ur data.
So to make a long video short. Use a gen4 drive for is and programs. Gen 4 for projects and assets. Then gen 3 for temp drive . Had for storage and archive. Unless you do judge project files then use gen 4 for everything but archive
i wonder why we have almost no progress in the speed department, when it comes to games. i mean, the jump from a HDD to an 3,5ssd was huge. reduced loading times from 60seconds, to 25 in some cases, with 500mb/s read drives.. now we have 5gb/s read drives and all that does, ist reducing 25seconds to 23.. i always wondered, why were not getting that loading screen down to 5 seconds by this point. as far as ive seen and experience, theres no reason to get an nvme for games at all. a standard sata 3,5 drive will do the same job nearly as fast, as a m2 drive no matter if its 3rd or 4th gen
My cache drive ended up needing to be way bigger than I was expecting. I was running proxies for a 4 camera 4k multicam concert that was about 90 mins long.
Great tips and great workflow. I have one question though, will the partitioning affect the performance of the SSD (for example 2TB SSD with 4 x 500GB partitions)?
Could you explain more precisely the topic related to the cach/temp files drive? How should I properly configure that drive in Windows to work properly? What are the main benefits of having this type of SSD drive? Thanks in advance and all the best in your future work.
I don’t agree with him on this. There is no explanation of the advantage to separate your cache, previews, auto-saves and put them on a separate drive altogether. That would just lead to confusion when you migrate everything to your archive drive when done. Just leave the whole project together
@@Pfagnan the main thing it helps with is creating and reading scratch files that you won’t need later. Your backups and database can be saved with your asset drive. which I would recommend be an external if you edit on multiple locations (home and work)
Hi. Can anyone please help me with my query? Can I get a 1 TB NVMe SSD and partition it, using one partition for the OS, and the other partition for the Cache files (Davinci Resolve). Are there any drawbacks to this? Because I am getting a high speed 1 TB Nvme SSD very cheap and so was thinking of partitioning it like I mentioned. Thks.
I’m planning to get an MacBook Pro M2 Max machine with 1 TB of internal SSD storage for OS and Programs and then use a 2TB LaCie Rugged Pro (rated 2800MB/s) external drive to hold the video files I’ll be working on. Do you think this would be a good combo? Is 1TB of internal storage enough? I’ll only have my video editing software loaded on the machine so I’m thinking 1TB should be more than enough?
Nice video @Technotice. Just have a question, not really related with the video. sorry. Just curious what kind of second monitor you used on the 5:33 minutes ? Really interisting.
When rendering, doesn't it still use the cache and projects drive? Meaning the write speeds would be impacted because its reading? Plus, its using data lanes. Is that right or is rendering not really matter which drive? Im thinking making the write drive just a small 4th SSD. Its probably dimishing returns since projects drive and write drive would run off the chipset.
Thanks for making this video! I have a question about the storage device for OS and programs. If I already have my programs installed on an SSD with gen 3 speeds (and PCIe connection), is there a significant performance boost gained by reinstalling the programs on a gen 4 SSD (using a gen 4 PCIe slot)? I recently acquired a WD Black SN770 and want to find out if I should transfer Premiere Pro from my Samsung 970 Evo Plus SSD (both storage devices are now installed on my PC and they are both 1TB each).
WHAT ABOUT A 32tb micron 9400 pro pcie gen4 nvme ssd? Could I put one in a NUC? Maybe a Intel NUC 12 Enthusiast Kit ('Serpent Canyon'). Need speed and capacity !
This is one helpful video. Very informative. Great work. Just finished building a new desktop pc in a Cooler Master NR200P max casing. The Z790 motherboard got 3 M.2 slot. 1 for OS, 1 for for 3D/Cad project and 1 for Video editting project. Question. If I'm working on my video editing project. Can I use the drive for my 3D/Cad project as a cache drive? Please advise. Cheers.
I know this is late but if I also use my Workstation PC for playing and recording games do I save the games in the Temp files drive and record video in the project drive?
Hello. Can you elaborate the #3 topic, cache / temp. files (assets). In a setup like you describe, #1,#2,#3,#4, I couldn't understand, where, how #3 works .
Hey men! Thanks again for this info. In 2020 i saw some video where you explain the workflow in the workstation and i build my pc with that recomendations and its still very great configuration the only little problem it was in that moment i bought a b450 with one M.2 slot gen 3 x4 but its ok its work very nice so i got: 1tb M.2 NVme OS and Programs / 1tb SSD Files/Assets / 480Gb SSD Media Cache/Auto Saves/Scratch and 2tb HDD RAW Files/Proyects
I ordered a Samsung T7 and am going to use it to both capture footage from my PC and take it with me when I travel. But now I am thinking I need a small cache drive as well. Will using my main C drive for Davince Resolve's caching going to wear out my main drive? Also, watching this video made me wish I had mounted my graphics card upright...
Don’t use regular desktop hdd for your NAS. Use enterprise HDD’s. There are some amazing options that are available in the NAS space. The cost for a professional setup is much more affordable than 10yrs ago. What’s affordable now, is what was dreamt of just a decade ago.
my last job reached 12TB (raw video files) what do we do with all that? also, lightroom's library (temp storage) can reach 1TB. a single photoshoot can reach up to 0.5TB of raw clicks. that's only one project. we require both internal and external space, counting many TBs... your options bearly cover the minimum.
Does splitting up SSDs harmful? Like splitting up 2TB SSD => 512GB OS+Program and the rest is Project drive. As far as I know, SSDs will have their lifespan reduced as they're filled up. In this case 1 drive may get filled up more than the other, yet they're all belong to 1 physical device; so it gets me confused.
@technotice picking up on your portable work flow . and for us on the apple side, we will only have one internal HD. Would it not make sense to run the system/os of the external which is going to be a slower system (in one of your past vids you were saying this hd's dont need to be crazy fast) and then for the faster internal, run our projects and media (photos/video) off that hd ?? thanks in advance , loving the videos. just found your channel have watched so many today already . phenomenal content for this sector
Any updates for Photographers, working mostly with LR and PS? Big LR catalogs with hundreds of thousand RAW images, opening 50 RAWS in PS at the same time, working with PSD files with 30+ layers? Thanks!
What is the best 4tb option and enclosure. I cant seem to find a thunderbolt 4 enclosure for the firecuda. Guess the best would be sabrent rocket 4tb with orico enclosure
If I only have one gen3 m.2 slot would it be better to put the project files on the m.2 drive or on a separate sata ssd? 🤔 Would partitioning the m.2 drive for the project files make any difference?
