George Lucas Explains Why Anakin Morally Became a Ghost with Yoda and Obi-Wan After Being Vader 

Pretty much what you said, but simpler. The sith ruled the republic, and the jedi did their bidding. Both had to be destroyed

I completely agree.

I both disagree and agree in a manner of speaking, the Jedi do not necessarily need to be wiped out to achieve balance, as balance in SW is not what most people think when they see the word balance. Instead George is going for a more taoist view, to use his analogy a healthy body represents everyone following the will of the Force is balance. The Dark Side which is not a part of the Force but is the act of forcing the Force to do your will instead is like cancer, throwing the body out of homeostasis. Hence why the prophecy called for the destruction of the Sith only. Throughout Clone Wars it is implied that the original plan the Force had for Anakin before his fall was to get the Jedi accept attachments and most importantly love as it was the fear of these things that causing them to lose their way and ironically enough their faith. (which Lore Star does a good video on) Qui-Gon was also meant to serve as a father figure giving Anakin a healthy upbringing similar to Luke and show him how a true Jedi is supposed to act. However Qui-Gon lost the duel of the fates, the Jedi of course rejected Anakin and became willfully blind, ignoring the mountain of evidence that something was up and the Force and thus fell as well do to their own hubris. Which leads us to the Force's plan B, where it directly intervened with Qui-Gon to save Obi-Wan and Yoda and guided Luke to redeem his father.

Completely agree, the Jedi became more political than following the will of the force. That needed to be fixed.

I might even go so far as to assert that if the Jedi's moral and philosophical decline had gotten a few more generations to fester, the Sith might not have even needed to kill them.

Yup

Literally

He's the only child!

Lol

Anakin knew Vader has no high ground this entire time.

@Said Bale It's more accurate to say Christianity is a blend of the east and west

We all grew up together. The thing separating us is us

@@Dark6997 Christianity originates in the Middle East.

@@storba3860 Yes but Christianity expressed itself through Greek and Roman philosophy as well as the languages and art of those people. There's a reason Koine Greek and Ecclesiastical Latin are considered sacred languages just as Hebrew and Aramaic are. Christianity was born in the Roman empire the new testament as far as we know for certain was first written in Greek and it was through Greek and Latin that it spread and came to define itself. Also for a long time the Middle East was more of the center or a transitional area between the East and West back when western civilization was more focused along the Mediterranean a stark contrast between the middle east and Europe wasn't as strong it was more of a gradual one.

@@Dark6997 thank you for this information this. This was a worthwhile comment section the likes the galaxy has never seen.

That last line always gets me.

@@lairofmedi3421 I like the whole "You will find another way" even though it has an immediate context. It feels like kind of a prophetic thing about the path he'll take, he eventually does end up learning how to save the people he loves from death but it's by sacrificing himself.

@@logicaldude3611 oh 100%. I watched an edit where that line was given in that sort of context that you’re referring to. “You will find another way” and “you will face your demons” given in the whole context of Anakins/Vader’s life is extremely beautiful and moving. Great point!

What is that line from?

@@DefecTec Clone Wars! The Mortis Arc in Season 3

We all know I should be the main character

Wait a minute.

Hey ani, you wanna go to the gym with me. I have a story to tell you. It’s quite the tragedy.

Well star wars is actually a story about Anakin so......

@@chancellorpalprotein2886 OK, but what tragedy?

yup, that's basically what i told myself as i clicked this video

Na. He became a forced ghost due to white male privilege.

@@thecat6159 wtf are you talking about

@@lastelite3967 Just stated his White-male Heterosexual privileged allowed him to become a force ghost. Name a minority force ghost in Star-Wars.

@@thecat6159 how's that open racism and sexism going for you? Feel good?

Wym, it finished with episode 6?

7,8,9 are alternative universe

What? there's three more films? Since when?

When Filoni brings balance to the universe

I hope he doesn’t

how did they treat him badly? if anything he was the most privleged padawan there ever was.

@@shoyupacket5572 because in comics he was bullied when he arrived at the temple by the other kids. Always talked down upon and disrespected by many Jedi masters especially windu. They never allowed him to see his parents. They could have simply just freed her. I thought they were peace keepers that do the right thing? Whenever he asks for help their only response is let go and deal with it. Don’t get me wrong it’s not their fault he turned he made the decision but it’s not like they made it very hard to chose with the way they acted

@@shoyupacket5572 “then you will have earned my trust” He was ‘on the council’, and the head of the council (Windu, not Yoda) flat out says he doesn’t trust him after he reveals the Sith Lord to be his ‘father’ or ‘best friend’. Can’t blame him for choosing the kind and fatherly palpatine. He didn’t know the devil he was courting

@@AlyssMa7rin he was only on the council because palpatine forced it upon them, that's what made the whole thing suspicious and so the masters were right to be uneasy.

I think murdering kids is a lot worse than being told ur not a master yet but to each their own

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I’m pretty sure it’s Palpatine who influenced the midiclorians to create Anakin as the ideal apprentice and Palpatine literally used the force to create life and because of that his midiclorian count was so astronomically high. Although, his midiclorian count is greatly reduced as vader and he had lost touch with many force abilities he had, like his foresight of his mother and Padme’s deaths.

@@jakemains1123 wrong that was proven incorrect. Pretty sure it was plagues that tried to influence the midiclorians to create life but the force retaliated and created anakin

@@rafz9147 i know you are right but i like the other ideo more XD like i know 7,8,9 exist but i dont like that

@@rafz9147 it was either emperor Palpatine or plagues who made Anakin, they didn't want to specifically make Anakin but a powerful sith user, in one of the comics when plagues finds out about Anakin he realised he kind of made a huge mistake and fucked up because he turned out to be a Jedi, I'm not sure if its legends tho.

That's how I always saw it

He killed palpatine

@Shamiul Pervez but anakin didn’t kill those children, it was darth vader.

@Shamiul Pervez I believe that when Mace became 'one with Force' he was able to forgive Anakin. And the Jedi younglings, who also followed the same Jedi teaching and would have done so too.

slaughtered children

Dookoo and Vader are former Jedi, Dookoo saw the errors in the way of the Jedi and tried to correct them but they pushed him away and so Dookoo let the Sith take him over as did Anakin, Anakin wasn't taught how to use his forces for good, he wasn't taught to understand them, in the end, the Jedi order failed both of them, and more than just Anakin and Dookoo

I'm not prone to sin. I don't think your religion accounted for people like me.

Jedi were wrong for not trying to peace out with a Sith Lord, who likely wouldn't accept? If we are going to use Christan metaphors, then I'm pretty sure Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace to the world, but a sword.

So true, I noticed from the beginning that star wars had religious parallels

@@ramarblood7697 that's out of context, it's very easy to find fault with anything if you strip out the good parts or rework wording to be different. I don't take quotes from the Bible seriously unless they're quotes in context.

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Everyone has the chance to return back. But nearly every sith lord stays on the dark side forever, because they love the overwhelming power.

He did turn back. Hence why he told Luke that he was right. And once he died he lived forever as Anakin again

@@mingo2385 He did turn back... If not how did he get a force ghost? You need the light side of the force to do it.

@@OGKhonshu I basically just said that…. Lol

There is a good explanation in SWTOR that I loved when Darth Marr dies and appears as force ghost. Your character says why he has the armor even dead, he answers that it's the way in which he wants people to remember him.

Joe according to Lucas you are correct.

It’s not because that’s when he was last a Jedi, it’s because that how he looked before he was maimed and burned

@@jamesshelton1127 Also per Lucas it's how he last looked before going to the dark side.

Young force ghost Anakin makes total sense. If he were to truly look like he did in his last moments, that would be rather interesting because he didn't even have any of his limbs anymore. Yet apparently, in the OG version the force decided to give him his limbs back and remove all his scars.

Anakin: 😄

Its terrible logic. Not everyone is worthy of forgiveness because some things (acts) are unforgiveable. Example of an unforgiveable act: murdering children (in every case), let alone over of an ideological belief. Anakin was pathetic, childish, twisted, easily manipulated and certainly did not deserve to be a ghostie.

@@Zomboo Cry

@@Zomboo I agree with that but the point I’m making is that Lucas is merely showing the person questioning his decision the hypocrisy of his own position via his theology. Basically cherry picking where forgiveness can be applied and to whom.

@@DerrickRG that is a word.. goood job!

@@streetsdisciple0014 and my point is that george was cherry picking to excuse bad writing. Not the other way around. As much as i enjoy star wars, george was a bad writer. (Jar jar?). Anakin appears at the end to ensure a feel good happy ending to please American audiences. Sorta like going to a rub and tug. If you think about it too much you feel gross but either way you come at the end. Star wars is the rub and tug of science fiction stories. (In my opinion)

so true

Idk to me he just looks like a random old dude, doesn't have any emotional value

@@rafe985 Agreed

@@rafe985 that's kinda what he is

I don't, like someone else said it has no emotional value, not only that but also, that guy looks nothing like Hayden. ALSO, Vader was only in his 40s, Sebastian looks way older than that.

@@dakotatrue12 he was also butned

He'll play Darth Vader in the Obi Wan series on disney+. Well that's what they said. Don't know if it will actualy happen. Would be nice.

It also makes sense because that’s when he was still Truly a proper Jedi that’s the form he takes

Seeing Hayden as the force ghost was insulting to the original actor playing the dying Death and as an overall insult to the 1983 original. I never knew that becoming a force ghost de-ages you by 50% ??? However adding in the cities celebrating the defeat of the Death Star2 was pretty classy. It showed the galaxy celebrating freedom from the imperials .

And he was powerful to stop someone from dying just like he said

No the stuff in the suit keeping him alive wasn't working because of palpatine's force lightning. nothing could have saved him at that point

Yes!! Agreed

That would be really cool. Not a possibility I've ever considered

Gods mercy is an endless abyss, you’d be surprised who you see worshipping the blessed Trinity at the end of time

My neighbor, who is a orthodox Jewish Rabbi, said essentially the same thing. Sounded strange, but if an Orthodox Jew believes hitler can reach heaven…well, who am i to argue?

@IbrahimIbnYusuf it’s not your place to judge a soul. Only god can do so. God certainly tells us how to live but the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross was to show that no matter your sins, if you accept him in the end, you will be saved.

@IbrahimIbnYusuf why are you so mad???😡😭😫

@IbrahimIbnYusuf Geroge is a Buddhist Methodist. I don't think these arguments are valid to his view of the Force as a Religion.

@@thedamntrain I wouldnt, but the jedi might.

@@thedamntrain yeah, hitler did terrible things, but what is done is done, *if* he chose to be forgiven and accept what he has done and move on to live a normal life that was left, why not? But only IF he chose to be 'redeemed', but we all know he didn't, so he killed himself.

@@thedamntrain dude, I presume you don't know how life works: it's everything about survival of the strongest and those who have enough power, can do whatever the fuck they want and they won't ask you. This is the harsh reality we live in, religions and laws are made by us, in order for us to live in a society without too much chaos. But yes, I completely agree Hitler should've been punished for the crimes he did, even if he would apologize. What I was actually trying to say to you was that: those crimes have been committed, those people have died, they can't be turned back again. Even a life long sentence to prison wouldn't be enough to compensate what he did, even if Hitler was tortured slowly to death wouldn't compensate the crimes he committed (Hitler would die anyways, but people he killed can't be brought back). Idk if you get my point

Yoda said at then end of Revenge Of The Sith that hed teach obi wan how to communicate with Qui Gon, Qui Gons training may have been incomplete but he had enough training to remain partly after death

He was only about 45, Shaw was much older. And if you’ve seen Hayden lately, he doesn’t seem to have aged that much

@@robinrinsmith Well to be fair anakin was 9 in episode 1 19 in episode 2 22 to 23 in episode 3 (I think that’s how old he is during the events of the prequel trilogy) 43 in episode 4 46 in episode 5 47 in episode 6 (I think that’s how old he is during the events of the original trilogy) So in others words Anakin was a kid to young adult during the prequel trilogy adult during the original trilogy

@@thedarkknight5239 ?

@C man Man Nah, bro. The prequel‘s really didn’t make a lot of sense based on what we were all expecting after the OT. I mean we expected Vader to be bad, we expected him to kill Jedi. But we expected it would look something like the Kurgan in Highlander hunting down Jedi one by one, killing them in duels. No one expected him to just murder a room full of children. SMH. That was ridiculous.

@C man Man Oh man, if you aren’t the pot calling the kettle black! Lol. Also pretty disrespectful and insulting. Guess you aren’t mature enough to be able to handle it when someone disagrees with you. As for the rest, I find what you said about duels to be hilarious. You do realize duels have been a part of the franchise since the very beginning? And they featured one in almost every single movie. So, sounds like you’re the one that needs to go watch a movie, bro.

@C man Man You’re absurd and you haven’t made a single valid point. Not one. You’re either literally a child or you have the mentality of one.

@C man Man Sorry kid, I don’t argue with children.

@C man Man I doubt you’d break character to tell me, but if this is just a bit that you do to troll people, it’s absolutely hilarious. Got a legit LOL from me after that last response. I mean, I suspect you of being a literal child, and you come back with one of the most childish (but still kind of sweetly innocent) responses you possibly could. Brilliant!

I always figured they put Hayden into the film as a ghost because that’s technically what Anakin looked like when he “died” and became Darth Vader.

@hunterkiller1440 A force ghost is that persons best image of themselves so If they feel they were better in old age than they will appear as an old version of themselves and anakin and darth vader are one and the same but also different and he appears that way because thats when he was in his best state mentally and pyschically

Anakin/Vader wasn’t that old.

Yes, but with many things Star Wars either pre or post Disney, there are plot holes that are filled by novels, interviews, and other sources to explain the them, or none at all. Fans accept what they want based on what sources they like or not. However, it's important to keep in mind there are many, many inconsistencies throughout the star wars universe. What matters are the characters and stories they bring about. "From a certain point of view...."

Like who? I saw Luke and Leia but that's all. Hell not even Ben became one, people try to say Han became one but that was all in Ben's head, just a memory as is said.

@@everettjohnson9374 we heard mace windu, ashoka, and a bunch of other voices in the end

As much as I liked TROS, It honestly should've been just Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui Gon Jinn and Luke because they actually became force ghost.

I think when they made revenge of the Sith

Maybe so you would like how Hayden did anikin.

Because Anakin died when he became Vader. So when he turned back to the light he was Anakin again.

You mean hayden christensen

@@CohenMore thanks, sorry

Qui Gon's body was burned because he hadn't completed the training that would allow him to pass on like Yoda or Obi Wan. Yoda went on a journey to complete the training. Anakin/Vader was too much of a machine to be able to let fully go.

Luke Skywalker. He is my favourite character of all time. I was so disappointed when Disney had to ruin Luke I don’t even count Sequel trilogy as canon. I have a movie Tier List in my channel

Anakin

@@twinsuns6629 i know i hate the sequels. Ill check it out.

Anakin Skywalker

@@MyaVillarreal08 hello there Padawan Tano

@C man Man Luke must have been so confused. Who is that guy and where is my dad? Obi-Wan was probably like how come he gets to come back young, spry and handsome while I'm stuck an old fart? Why couldn't Obi-Wan be himself from episode II? Lol I like the older anakin. He and Obi-Wan were like brothers so it makes sense they would be close in age, like brothers. Not Obi-Wan looking like Anakin's grandpa. It kind of breaks the bond. It's jarring.

@C man Man Don't get me wrong, I love Hayden Christensen as Anakin, just not as the ghost.

That goes for me too 💯 %

Why not? Hayden Christensen worked his ass off for two movies as Anakin Skywalker. I think he earned it.

I thought it made so much more sense for him to look the way he did the last time he wasn't Vader.

@@laurenmosley9008 I’d love to here your reasons why.