George Lucas's dialogue is probably the most maligned aspect of his style (and that's saying a lot!). But what if that's just because people are hearing it the wrong way? #StarWars #GeorgeLucas #AttackOfTheClones
@@theunknowncommenter725 Do you genuinely want examples? I know u don't because u will suck the cock of Lucas and give some shitty excuse for how deep and meaningful objectively horrible dialogue is good. STFU
@@theunknowncommenter725 I'll give one. It's bad because the dialogue is too direct. There's nothing nuanced or poetic being said, it's just Anakin saying he is so in love with Padme or that he killed everyone in a village which we as an audience already saw and so being told about it again makes it less interesting. I know it shows his regret, but the choice of words were mediocre. In my opinion the best choice would've been to cut that scene out entirely and just show Anakins descent into the dark side rather than have him monologue about it. I don't really blame the actors either for the wooden performances, Lucas has never been too patient with the process of acting (according to Harrison Ford).
It really wasnt that bad of a line, it was played as mostly a joke.there were far worse actual lines in the sequels. That's like calling yodas dialogue in Tesb bad dialogue.
@@plague8163 It's a little on the nose. The line is written as if it's supposed to land hard. The only problem being that she's just saying what we are shown: dictatorship is introduced by Palpatine and everybody's clapping. Not exactly insightful, it's just spelling things out, which is fine, but it is made to sound like it's more than that.
@@ac3ravenpersonally I never disliked anakins dialogue EXCEPT for the scene by the fire where padme is in her black busty breast dress. It immediately follows the pear scene and it’s too jarring. Either another scene needed to be added or the fire scene needed to be changed
Everybody clowns on “I don’t like sand”, by what Anakin is really saying is “I was brought up as a slave in harsh conditions on a desert planet. While your memories of sand are of playing at the beach of your vacation home, mine were of toiling under the hot sun.” It just gets easy to overlook the real meaning when the line is taken out of context.
The problem is, he doesn't *say* that. He whines about sand like he's talking about a bad day at the beach. He doesn't talk about toiling, or being a slave. He talks about sand as an object.
@@chrismanaloe3507 Lucas certainly didn't have an ear for dialogue. A lot of the readings are terrible. Portman has won an Oscar. It takes a lot to get her to do a shitty reading. But the line itself is terrible, no matter how you read it. There's nothing deep, introspective, or character-building about it. It just comes off as a teenager whining about a bad day at the beach.
You are reading into it way too much. The fact he ended it with "but I like you" means that it didn't have some deep meaning, but was just a way of setting up that line.
Yea, through insincere memes...In fact, they have only recently started to crop up at a large scale. Before that, I only remember "Now, THIS is pod-racing" or "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick" both of which tend to make fun of the movie. Padme had one good line about democracy dying. The OT, on the other hand, had much more memorable quotes that have been used with sincerity and heart, Yoda's quotes themselves have been used as inspiration for decades, and Vader's as a cultural icon in a much more monumental scale than anything in the prequels.
The Empire was based on the rise of fascism in Germany under Hitler. Everything that the prequels cover is so important it should be classics. Lucas said he only did the prequels to explore the roots of fascism.
@@rickardkaufman3988 well fascism is an Italian word... but the prequals scene where she says that, is represented to every totalitarian state ever, they were all welcomed at one point with applause. Even communism, and the german socialist party of the 30s.
@@Robert53area True. It could even mean totalitarianism but Lucas's intentions were on fascism. Also, the Nazis weren't socialists. They just used the name socialist to divert votes and later purged all the left-wing parties and Hitler hated Marx to the point that if his party adopted Marxist language, he would leave the party. It was a state-capitalist party under the control of private industrialists that busted unions.
It's the way he screams like a real person, rather than bassy yelling like is usually used in movies. The vocal chords failing to handle the way he's using them, the way it becomes throaty, it's akin to screaming vocals done by singers like Kurt Cobain that damage singers' throats over time than a line delivery.
Honestly, the “sand” line is one of my favourite. It’s a rare moment of deep character reflection we see from Anakin, where he drops trying to impress Padme with his tough, competent Jedi facade and instead just tells her something honest and deeply real about himself. It’s him reflecting on Tatooine, and his childhood, and probably about how if Qui-Gonn hadn’t found him he would still be in that dry, irritating sand filled place, and probably still a slave.
It's not a terrible idea on the face of it, I agree. It just doesn't really work in this form -- it doesn't feel like a natural thing for him say. I think that's why people focus on it.
@@samuelwebb2404 What would be natural for him to say? You can say it's unnatural but that is literally an experience that deeply effected him and he in one way is pouring his heart out for Padme.
@@CloneLoli it would of been more natural if the line was delivered with more underling anger and iteration. It would of sounded more natural and cue in on Anakin’s anger problem. That or delivering the line a with humererous self deprecating tone.
@@tsiefhtes It's awkward on purpose, Hayden is not a bad actor and he delivers lines fine in many other scenes. We already get to hear his deeper frustrations in scenes before and after. Again, it seems natural to me with the context we have by the time that scene rolls around.
Honestly, Anakin's dialogue is so believable it's baffling people hate on it so much, he's an awkward, orphan, slave kid raised by monks who tell him to forget about his mother, the only connection he ever had and tell him not to fear, or hate, or love. If he was an eloquent, witty speaker like Obi-Wan it would make far less sense, so yeah his dialogue is clunky and straightforward, but it's honest and believable.
Its all about presentation. You can have cheesy dialogue on purpose without making it creepy. Anakin’s dialouge was just unintentionally creepy. George should’ve gone the empire strikes back route and had somebody else direct it and edit it
@@youtubeistryingtocensorme Maybe, but I think we're ignoring that Anakin IS kind of creepy. He's not a guy who reacts to emotions in a normal way. He eventually helps slaughter the only society he knows in order to alleviate his fears of loss. It would be weird if someone with healthy emotional expression did that
I wholeheartedly agree: whether it was intended or not, the way Anakin is presented is genius. Now if the other characters weren't all like that, maybe that would make it more obvious
@@lefishe6611 The Room dialogue are quoted from very different reason. And they are much more forgettable, without any emotions attached to them, they just are funny, because they are incompetent, they are not part of the story, just every dialogue is floating involuntarily in the room, without any direction
The prequels: Deemed clunky on the surface but with so much heart underneath The sequels: Super flashy on the surface but with absolutely no heart underneath
The dialog in these movies is one of the major reasons they've become so timeless. There's no buzzwords, no trendy phrases, nothing that places them in a specific time in history. He takes what he wants the characters to say, and breaks it down into it's simplest form.
Couldn't agree more. Disney's sequels sound so modern that it takes away the feeling of Star Wars. Things like "They fly now? They fly now!" and the cringe beginning of the last jedi with Poe vs Hux screams of modern humour that will become outdated in 10 years.
Lucas' dialogue works because it sounds legendary: like something from an acient tale of a long long time ago, far far away; not like a bunch of American guys from the 20th/21st century.
It can even be compared to works far younger than that. Plenty of works from the 19th century such as those of Jane Austen as well as direct translations of The Count of Monte Cristo or the works of Dostoyevsky are even more verbose and transparent when it comes to character dialogue and their intentions than any line a prequel detractor would point to. The fact that people accept those examples because of their time period or setting yet don't do the same for the dialogue of a series set a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away shows a great level of cognitive dissonance; or, more likely, that those who criticise prequel dialogue from a false sense of authority have never read any classical literature.
It seems like he based it more on archaic story telling and characters rather than modern cinema and script writing. Something that is either undervalued or just not understood nowadays, at least by the critics.
@@zonefreakman You are correct with it not just seeming like that, but being outright confirmed by Lucas himself who makes it no secret the Monomyth/Hero's Journey is what influenced the structure and ideas of Star Wars (there's actually a great documentary made on this from back before Disney bought the franchise), as well as him saying the dialogue between Anakin and Padme in AotC was very much inspired by Shakespearean drama.
@@choueriito2548 I do like reading about Joseph Campbell's ideas, you could say the origin point of how Lucas created Star Wars. These ancient stories are immortal in a spiritual sense because they tell stories that are always relatable in our personal lives. They tell a philosophical story of how personal growth happens, and what happens tragically when we don't learn from our mistakes. So many movies made today will be forgotten in short order because they don't tell a relatable and meaningful story, unlike George Lucas' movies. It just seems to me that many Hollywood critics are completely uninformed or detached from classical education, including classical literature.
More precise, to be a young guy on a date the first time he fell in love. I absolutely see myself with my first girlfriend in there. First love never dies and all that. It's over the top and super-dramatic and you will be more lowkey and wise the older you get (hopefully) but man if it ain't relatable lol
People feel awkward for that dialogue because when were Anakin's age in Episode II, 19/20, we were awkward like that talking to or crushed. Hell, some of us still are like that. People feel embarassed, so instad of admiting that it's embarassment, not, it's somehow "bad dialogue". A lot of people don't watch films because they really want to get involved in a story and actually get to know the characters, no, they just want a power fantasy.
The most peculiar thing to me about George’s “wooden dialogue” is, while from the casual, sensical ear, it definitely doesn’t sound like any way normal people would talk. But in a universe where thousands of species are spread out amongst multiple planets and systems. The dialogue still “communicates” “Stiff” and “awkward” is sometimes the only way some people can communicate when their feeling anxiety, unfamiliarity, tension, or confusion.
Feeling of awkwardness is a defensive system. It protects you from sharing your true thoughts with other people. They seem awkward because they are honest.
@@Bodzio2M It's almost like it's hard and uncomfortable to share one's unfiltered feelings because they are afraid of rejection or ridicule or being seen as weak because apparently being honest about ourselves even for a brief moment is weirdly taboo despite how dumb that is.
All this talk is besides the point - go through the films, and the different dialogue in different contexts, and compare it to other comparable movies, and you'll quickly find that this whole "stiff (and especially awkward) dialogue" notion is just a myth and a circlejerk - based on a few examples here and there from I-III, some correctly, others tone-deaf, and then thoughtlessly applied to the whole movie. Epic fantasy characters often make simple, declarative statements in a regal tone of voice - the phrasings need to be aesthetically appealing and fitting, which most of these are. "Epic romance" can use a mixture of these (like, uh, "I love you" or something) and flowery poetry - which that fireplace scene does; in fact ppl mostly hate it BECAUSE of the latter lol Agents, cops, soldiers often speak in clear laconic fashion - for utilitarian purposes, or to show how cool and no-nonsense they are. Normal human interaction and dialogue features a good portion of direct starements; so do angry exclamations, or sarcastic quips. So a lot of that supposedly "wooden dialogue" or "direct statements" in these movies, fall into that category, and are only noticed here and not elsewhere by the circlejerkers because they're actively (and sloppily) looking for confirmations for their take. There are of course plenty of counter-examples to those that people selectively miss; as well as proper cases of wooden lines delivered woodenly in unfitting contexts - like Padme in the Tpm dinner scene for instance. So yeah lots of bs all in all
@@VibingMeike The context of the original quote is literally "I remember telling George 'You can write this shit but you can't say it' then I watched the film and obviously I was wrong"
???? Chills? Yeah hearing a shrill male voice yell "I hate you" in the most emo bitch way possible would give any man chills. Like the kind you get with nails on a chalkboard....
@@veteran0121 “emo bitch” really? Dude had his limbs chopped off and was on hot lava ground. What do you expect? Presidential speech? And this “shrill voice”, so? Not everyone has deep voice. It was supposed to be opposite of Obi Wan’s “I loved you” shout; no one complains about that. Why? Because he has a smooth non-shrill voice? Really it’s just feels odd to you guys because of your biased expectations of what feels “normal” (and typical Hollywood dialog). You guys are so fake.
@@veteran0121 Thankfully there is a second version of this scene that's not as "edgy", enjoy: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RUq0sZx6ssE.html
I always considered Lucas the most talented child to ever be allowed to direct a movie. There is a sincerity and cleverness to his work that you will never see in a more "mature" and "well-developed" writer because he is not afraid of his work feeling childlish. That's why we get this very special feeling for dialogues and designs that we don't find anywhere else. The Disney movies tried so hard to become a "more mature" Star Wars that they ironically lost all the cleverness and charm behind that childish ankwardness.
Lucas states that his movies are written for children. Of course his dialogue will be plain and unsophisticated. His movies are, for the most part, showing and not telling.
OP I'm not sure you watched the same movies if you thought Disney was trying to be mature with their takes. Disney for all they do good in the fun and adventurous animation world, can't write for shit when it comes to anything adult oriented. They also don't know how to let a scene play out with words for more than a few seconds and that's a reflection of how they've built their brand on animation style story telling.
@@Ricardo-cl3vs I think it's easy to confuse the fact that Speilberg movies host a lot of child center rolls but Speilbergs style is more notorious for being parental than nessesarly childlike. His movies have very loud maternal instinct arcs when it comes to the adult rolls and when centered around children are more written in the eyes what it's like to be a child figuring life out without a parent figure in the picture. It's pretty well documented that he intentionally writes his movies this way because of how he grew up so I wouldn't really call his writing style childlike, that's definitely more of a signature of Lucas.
I don’t understand people who are hating on anakin for his weird love schenes. Like a kid who has lived on tatoine for his entire life is suposed to be good at flirting???
I think most people who hated Anakin in ep 2 was because he was an awkward teen... Some people didn't want to see a young Darth Vader be an awkward teen, no matter how logical it is for Anakin to be that way.
exactly, having grown up in rural Australia myself; my attempts at flirting, or any conversation, scare the living shit out of people, they'll look at me I'm a psychopath.
@@MrApexYT I, and many people, ALWAYS loved Hayden (and also Jake Lloyd) as Anakin, but because of one vocal part of the Star Wars fandom, the people who liked, or at the very least showed some respect for the prequels, couldn't express their opinion without being called an idiot. But now we actually can express our opinions and talk about it.
The saddest part is the misunderstanding a lot of fans have for the "I don't like sand" line. Fans who misunderstand this line tend to think Anakin starts talking about sand out of the blue like a weird conversation starter. But they forget it was Padme talking about her past as a kid going swimming with friends and drying out on the sand. Which prompts Anakin to talk about his crappy past as a kid through the allegory of sand.
@@larrote6467 what on Earth you talking about lol. Many people online thinks Anakin says "I don't like sand" out of the blue. I'm pointing out Padme mentions sand first. Idk if you meant to reply to someone else.
I actually liked Padme's dialogue in the "couch scene." I thought the whole point was that she was trying to convince them not to get involved in a romantic relationship, and she just went into "Senator mode," speaking as if she were addressing the Galactic Senate and persuading them to see her point of view. I actually thought she was speaking this way to convince herself more than she was trying to convince Anakin.
I agree, most people hear the lines and receive the tone incorrectly or find it cringe but every line has purpose that fits with the overarching tone and story of the movie, trilogy, and stars wars as a whole.
If I remember from an interview, she first read the lines as genuine and Lucas instructed her to read them like she does in the final take. I'm pretty sure it's because of that, because even if Lucas' dialogue is WRITTEN as somewhat wooden, he clearly understands that having it read as if is isn't good.
An interesting interpretation, but you have to keep in mind movies need to establish things like that for the audience in order for it to pay off, and since we see no scenes with the explicit intent of focusing on the contrast between 'senator' Padme and 'real' Padme it becomes background noise. It boils down to a problem of direction.
@@hyperspeedfox6181 We did see her address the Senate in the first movie as Queen of Naboo, so I would imagine that as a senator she would speak in a similarly formal way. Also, at the very beginning of the movie she speaks that way to the politicians and Jedi around her who are concerned for her safety, and they all address her as Senator Amadala. We are reminded that she chose a political path at a young age when she's telling Anakin about a boy she had a crush on long ago. So, I don't think anymore scenes are really necessary.
Rebekah, I do not know if you actually read the now non-canon novelizations of the prequel trilogy, but each one was written by a high fantasy author such as Matthew Stover(ROTS), RA Salvatore(AOTC), and Terry Brooks(TPM). On top of including deleted scenes that are not in the Final Cut(such as Anakin racing Sebulba in Watto's pod, Cleig and Owen going after Beru, or Yoda speaking to Qui-Gon on Polis Massa before Bail talks about Obi-Wan making contact) , they also go deep into the internal monologue of every character. Two of my favorites are from episode 2 and episode 3 respectively, one being Cody been moaning the fact that the order 66 came in just after he returned Obi-Wan his lightsaber. The other ends up being a tie because they are too related seems that happen only a few minutes apart and that is Padme taking comfort when Anakin says that her presence is soothing and then she scolds herself that she took comfort in that. Which reinforces what you were saying that she had gone into senatorial mode. And you actually see that in the scene because Padme is fighting with herself trying not to fall for Anakin as hard as she does, and when she snaps it Anakin telling him to listen she is basically reached her limit of okay I have to put a stop to this now or the damage that can be done is incalculable. And I know that while George is not exactly the greatest with dialogue the subtext is in there if like myself you tend to read too much into these things
One of the quotes that always makes me laugh is when Anakin says in the Geonosis arena "We are here to rescue you." Or something like that and Obiwan looks up at his bounds hands and simply says "Good job" Ewan McGregor's delivery is always on point!
@@ThinWhiteAxe It's funny that Lucas call himself the "king of wooden dialogue", when i always thought that McGregor was the most wooden actor ever. A perfect fit, if you ask me.
@@Steak818 oh ok sorry I misunderstood "wooden acting" is usually not considered a good thing and so I read sarcasm into your comment where there was none, my bad
Jedi aren't "most" of the characters in a single film. If only the Jedi dialogue was terrible, that would be one thing (explained as you indicate), but that's just not the case.
@@inarencommander4663 This doesn't require wooden characters! Royalty are a large part of the cast of Game of Thrones, or The Crown, or any number of "palace intrigue" stories. Politicians also don't have to be flat and wooden (this is fiction, after all), which is why West Wing / House of Cards /The Crown (which is both, actually) are popular and interesting.
He's a slave on a desert planet he's probably never seen someone so clean before, and thus it's not too far fetched that he thinks it's because she's some sort of hyper beautiful alien.
To me it looked quite natural. Anakin is not even 10 in that movie, he's just a kid, and kids are pretty honest and don't think about what they're saying as much as adults do
I physically can't cringe when I hear the "Sand Scene". r/prequelmemes and years of RU-vid Poop has conditioned me to grin uncontrollably or chuckle to myself.
If you watch the line in context of the scene it sounds fine, that's something these "critics" love to do, play these scenes out of context, you can do that too any movie good or bad. It's extremely bad faith
@@quatreraberbawinner2628 Oh absolutely! It's a fine scene in context. Full disclosure: I was six years old when RotS came out and I distinctly remember my parents being nervous about taking kindergarten me into a PG13 movie, having only seen Attack of the Clones on DVD. But never did I once think it was weird or odd. It was only as a teenager years later did I even realize how many people hated the prequels. I'm so glad to see people are coming around. Fandoms can be unimaginably toxic. When I heard that Ahmed Best almost killed himself over the fan backlash to Jar Jar it made me really upset. He told this story of taking his son to the bridge that he was going to jump off of and was glad that he didn't because of his kid. That's fucking horrifying.
The more I think of that line, the more it makes sense. He's basically a teenage monk, probably no experience with girls, and therefore awkward (and kinda creepy) as fuck. It's just a terrible pickup line - in space. The way he fidget around with the pebble made me pretty sure Anakin knows that line is rubbish but shot it anyway. Just don't ask how I know.
I have always loved Anakin and Obi-Wan’s banter. Obi-Wan: “Do you know how to pilot this thing?” Anakin: “Well given the circumstances, I would say the ability to pilot this thing is irrelevant. Strap yourselves in.”
There is nothing better in the galaxy than Anakin & Obi-Wan bantering for the entire first section of ROTS. Which I suppose is why they created a whole show to highlight Anakin and Obi-Wan bantering.
I've never had a problem with the dialogue in these movies. Star Wars in all its aspects is an operatic epic, the music, the visuals, and the dialogue. It doesn't try to feel grounded, it's being artistic, and like that segment of foreshadowing showed, the dialogue has deeper meaning, making it so much more rewarding to watch again. And Anakin was a little boy born in slavery, with terrible social interactions, and then when finally free he's put into the Jedi Order. He's always been a puppet, with people telling him what to do, never has he gotten the time to understand his emotions, he just had them. So he's awkward, and bad socially, so obviously he says weird stuff. I unironicly have had similar sentences escape my mouth. The scenes are supposed to be awkward, and those lines aren't what solidifies the romance between Ani and Padmé, they love each other, and a monologue about sand isn't gonna change that, not in a good nor bad way.
In a strange way George is practically Lynchian . Not “good” in a conventional sense - more of an abstract, regal way. It’s hard to identify. Lucas and Spielberg are similar in that way too in that they’re good with catching a certain emotion and letting John Williams spin it into diamonds. I suppose that plays into one of the points in this video (George doesn’t really give a shit about the dialogue). One of the strongest aspects of the prequels are it’s visuals . Obviously to many faults as well, but the most memorable moments of those films are the music stings attached to say, Darth Maul or entering Mustafar, the arena scene in Clones. Food for thought!
Honestly, the scene with Anakin and Padme by the fireplace is one of my most genuinely favorite scenes of dialogue. They are both trying so hard to hide and yet convey their true feelings while desperately trying to maintain their stoic, professional facades even as they completely collapse. The pain of their public positions colliding with their deep yearning is what produces their stilted dialogue, making their inner turmoil so awkward, and palpable. It is probably the most maligned and misunderstood and underappreciated scene of all time.
I have a feeling that many people dislike it because it reminds them of how awkward and cringeworthy THEY were around their first love. Or makes them aware of how awkward and cringeworthy they probably will be if/when they find a person that they love romantically. Of course, few of them will ever admit it because their ego's won't allow it. The scene is so brutally honest with how uncomfortable love can be that people lashed out but frankly, I think that just makes it all the more sincere.
@@tomnorton4277 Or...maybe it's just not a very well written scene? Could your ego cope with that explanation? Cause plenty of movies have captured the awkwardness of first love without such lines as "I wish that I could wish away my feelings." Like, it's all very well to be going on about other people's egos, but it seems like you're the one with the ego if you can't admit something is a bit schlocky, or mediocre. It's okay! Star Wars is made for kids, it always has been. You don't have to be so insecure that you try and turn it into some sort of Chaucer-esque misunderstood genius that you alone (of course) understand. Sometimes it helps gain a little perspective to poke fun at the things you enjoy. I know the prequels have appalling dialogue. But I still enjoy them. I've never been quite sure WHY so many people feel like they need Star Wars to be something more than it is. Is it the insecurity of enjoying childish things? That in itself is a sign of immaturity.
@@clutteryfluttery6391 So you were Mr Smooth around your first love? I've never been in a relationship but my ego can cope with the knowledge that I would probably be an awkward wreck too. And if I was ashamed of watching stuff for children, I'd have to be ashamed of still being a Pokemon fan at the age of 28.
@@clutteryfluttery6391 Likely the best and most accurate comment on this channel. These people read excessively into crap dialogue, and add themes and depth that aren't there, and were never there to begin with. Lucas - and many of his colleagues, contemporaries, and close contacts - have routinely and bluntly remarked upon how poor his dialogue is. Lucas has admitted it time, and time again. He's just a bad writer. There's nothing more to it than that. Those who feel they must defend the dialogue and turn it into "the best writing ever" (as I've seen some commenters state) are only saying that, because they adore Lucas and cannot fathom that he'd be a bad writer. But he is. He's even said it's worst attribute, in respect of filmmaking.
@@SonicMegaKing Exactly. Just because it was intended does not make it good or acceptable. These people are really out here making up excuses for how poorly written Star Wars dialogue is.
@Xd Dx I do not hate the movies. I hate certain aspects of the movies. I can still enjoy something while being critical of it. Go be overly hostile somewhere else, buddy.
I don't think hayden christensen is a bad actor, I don't think he's written badly either, he captures the essence of an awkward love struck teen, it's supposed to be corny
Hayden literally played Anakin to complete PERFECTION. It’s honestly unbelievable people call him a bad actor, you can see how much emotion and thought he puts into every line he says
It’s like the main character in Catwoman. No matter what scene your watching you physically can’t tell if it’s a really good actor with a really bad script or a really bad actor with a really bad script. A lot of people confused the script and the acting and hated Hayden Christensen.
@@Venom5970. His delivery of "I'm not leaving without you, master." at the beginning of RotS was competely soulless though. As if they were having fun in a VR flight simulator. He wasn't aware of the context behind it. Ewan McGregor is the one that puts emotion in every line he says.
Almost every single prequel line is a legendary meme. And that's because the dialog is great. Anakin speaks awkwardly not because the dialogues are bad, but because he's a young introvert man who never really interacted with women before.
Favorite line: “So this is how liberty dies . . . with thunderous applause". This phrase is not only chilling and heartbreaking in the movie context, but can be applied to the world today. I just love it.
I always thought the dialogue gave the feeling of "space opera, melodrama" feeling very well. It was corny but poetic and very memorable. I think I ve memorized more than half of the dialogue of first 6 movies
I get it now. It's just a sound effect. It's why the old Lego Star Wars fit the Lego format so well with zero words and only muttering. It's easy for any 5 year old to understand, but genius with its emotional tones. Paired with the music, visuals, and sound effects, Star Wars is a sensory experience unlike anything ever created.
Never had a problem with the sand scene. Imagine everyday all day you walk and work under the heat, in the middle of the desert add to that there is the frequent sandstorms when you go to bed you're covered in it, it is in your ears, your eyes, it gets everywhere. Even your clothes are full of it.
The people complaining about the "sand" line fail to see that Anakin is really talking about his past as a slave on Tatooine, all the pain he endured there as a child. There's sand in Naboo as well, he's obviously not reffering to Naboo or sand physically, in fact, Naboo should be a planet he would associate with happiness and love as it's the homeworld of Padmé. It's full of vegetation, different species, water, beauty, nature, harmony, it's a celebration of life itself; it's the antithesis to growing up as a slave on the dangerous, rough and painful world that is Tatooine.
The dialogue it's part of the charm, it always has been. People say he is a terrible director but, this is the same guy who shadowed Spielberg himself in college, the same guy who directed THX-1138 and American Graffiti, the same guy who made Sci-fi mainstream and cool again with a movie everyone thought it would fail, the guy who has pushed the boundaries of movie making and animation so far that what was thought "impossible" to do, now any major studio can do it. It's absolutely saddening that George gets to be so underappreciated and underrecognized by so many people even the ones who were supposed to cherish his work and continue his legacy.
The original trilogy was a knight, wizard, and princess story. The Prequels were a tragic space opera with ever relevant politics. Both with organic flowing stories.
the truth is every single director, (and by extension every single creator, but let's not touch that can of worms) no matter how great, has weak spots. areas of directing where he's just not as amazing as others. The only mistake George did was not hiring someone who could fill in on that. Literally EVERYTHING ELSE he's done perfectly, and you just cant argue with that simply beacuse we wouldn't even have this conversation if he did not.
I can't believe it has taken until now for me to see a video that actually understands why George's dialogue is so great. This is a space OPERA. The dialogue shakespearean, poetic, clear, and more memorable than the dialogue of any other writer. It's right at home in the retelling of tales from "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away". Star Wars wouldn't be Star Wars without it, and nobody but George could pull it off.
I will say though, I feel like Hammil was right about that one line he apparently convinced Lucas to not use. Trying to explain a long line of military bases or whatever in one line is a bit much.
@@brentcrosby7109 Yeah. It's like in movies that take place in a time long before ours, like "Pride And Prejudice" or "Nicholas Nickleby". The dialogue feels awkward, alien, cheesy, wooden and foreign to us, because it's from a different time, where people spoke in a manner much different than ours. It seems weird to us, because no one talks like this in our time, and if they did, they'd be a sheer minority, they would look weird and out of place. This dialogue is, however, right at home "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away". The examples are all around, but let's take...Padme's confession of her love for Anakin, or his unfairly maligned line about sand. The contents of what they say is not weird or out of place - a woman confessing to the man she loves how she feels, or said man telling her that while she associates sand with fun times on the beach, he associates it with his time as a slave on a desert planet, owning to the two of them coming from two very different backgrounds. It's the delivery that feels odd to us, but imagine Padme and Anakin were characters in something like "Pride And Prejudice" or "Nicholas Nickleby". Their "cheesy", "wooden" lines suddenly sound way less awkward, right? We judge the delivery of their lines based on our world and our time, and we forget that this story...takes place "a long time ago in a galaxy far far away". It's okay if people in it don't speak in a manner like the one we speak in.
I must say as a kid growing up with Asperger's I appreciated *Wooden dialogue* because I didn't have to try figure out how characters felt. Something I struggled a lot as a kid was understanding body language. So having the characters tell me what they are feeling was much easier for me to immerse myself in star wars and empathize with the cast.
I think it's true about pre-teens in general, even the "neurotypical" ones. It takes a long time to learn to read body language and intonation and it's still not always easy.
That is very interesting! George often says he made Star Wars for the kids. That epic tales should be told for everyone to understand. Perhaps that is why he wrote things the way he did. Very complex situations that could be easily distilled for all ages and people to consume. Honestly, how does one make a trade blockade interesting for kids too?
My favorite lime from the prequels has to be “you were my brother Anakin. I loved you!” This is probably the most emotional moment of the entire trilogy, and is delivered as perfectly as it could possibly be by Ewen McGreggor
My favorite line is "You were the Chosen One" it's such a line that has so much meaning and emotion like how amazing can a line be that when you hear it it gives you chills
The way George Lucas write dialogues reminds me of the theatrical way, in which a character can explain his feelings to the audience And personally, I never watched any other movies doing such a thing, which makes Star Wars more unique
@@ertymexx Stupid, frail, non-compartmentalized organic meat bag doesn't realize HK-47 is at least 5 hyperspace lanes away for talking unsophisticated like that.
Maybe it's because I'm autistic, but I've never had a problem with Lucas' dialogue. I've loved the prequels since the beginning and I never stopped no matter how much criticism others gave them. They are awesome and brought the saga together as a whole.
I'm not autistic and feel exactly the same. In pretty sure people are just extra hard on it because it isn't the Star Wars they wanted (just the OT all over again?)
@@Jiub_SN Again like me you are brave but dumbass for saying that. I mean if you think Ahmed Best and Jake Lloyd being verbally abused by the fandom was sickening then wait until we may suffer something similar to Best and Lloryd or worse
I always thought this was a trick to make Star Wars accessible to everyone. When you have themes and emotions as strong as the ones in the prequels making the dialogue simple yet memorable is a good way to make sure everyone from adults to children can understand and are invested
After 10 years of the "Marvel Snarky Universe" that has dripped into EVERY kind of movie....it is extremely refreshing to go back to the original Star Wars Saga and get dialogue handled with a sense of clarity, and earnestness....without a constant sense of cynicism or a need to be constantly humorous.
@@SuperGreyWulf True, the films aren't devoid of humor...but Obi-Wan's material is timed so well and placed properly. In Star Wars, he is sort of the one who makes a snarky quip every now and then...in the Marvel movies, it feels like that is EVERY character. Obi-Wan also knows when there is room for a bit of a joke and when it is time to be dead serious.
@@dannyliftsweights2125 I was so scared that you're talking about Jake Floyd, tapped deeper into Floyd that you're talking about and now i am furious at Chauvin and Minnisoda Police.
"the dialogue is the movies greatest weakness" is a common criticism of star wars, I'd argue it's one of the strongest. The dialogue is straightforward, plain, so it doesn't detract from the movie itself! I think its genius
Anakin's line 'I have brought peace, freedom, justice and security to my new empire' as he stands three feet from the woman he loves and has just choked into unconsciousness always gives me chills. He has literally denied all four of those to the one person whom this all was supposed to be for. His goal was to save Padme, but as a Jedi master once said, the dark side will consume you.
It's interesting that you say that, but it's not something that really registers with me (because it's shot as a closeup). If we actually saw her in the same frame as him when he says that, that would be horrifying.
When he finally realizes that peace is a lie, and instead follows his passions (the love he has for his son) things will go right... He will gain the power he needs... His chains will be broken, and the force shall free him.
If you've created the most quotable franchise of films in existance then you're clearly doing something right with the dialogue. Whatever that something may be.
I think the best part of Lucas’s dialogue is how goddamn easy it is to make a meme out of it. it’s just so unusual compared to most other movies. I guarantee you that it will be very difficult to find a movie where one of the main characters says “hello there” when faced with one of the main villains
It's a metaphore about the sand on Tattoine, which is a desert sand reminding him his slave past, and contrasting to the beach sand of Naboo. It's an allusion to the two characters and their differences...
Interesting. When she goes on and on about the water and Anakin blurts out that Sand bit, it doesn't sound as unnatural as it does when the Sand bit viewed out of context.
One thing I've heard about the Prequels that always stuck with me. "The Prequels don't get worse the more you think about them, they get better". And stuff like that Dooku line and Jango Fett line just kinda goes to prove it more. I recently watched the classic Flash Gordon shorts and while in no way have they withstood the test or time or were really that enjoyable to watch honestly. They definitely gave me an appreciation for George's style and how he can actually use it effectively.
Same here. I’ve recently watched THX(1138) and it’s a weird film. I found parts of it were hard to watch! Yet I can see the themes in the story and the beauty and uniqueness in some of the visuals. Parts of it clearly tie in with Star Wars.
Prequel haters are smooth brain people who are incapable of immersion. Genuinely shocks me how anyone can think soulless disney cash grabs are "better written." Find plot holes in the PT. Do it. Now find plot holes in the ST.
@@AImighty_Loaf First of all I'm gonna say that by no means do I think the sequels are good and I hate them just as much so please don't get this twisted. However, there are some plot holes in prequels and there are plenty of poorly explained motivations for actions or motivations that don't make sense at all. There is also so much shit going on in the opening crawl that shouldn't be off-camera and then there's nothing interesting happening in the actual movies (this doesn't really apply to the revenge of the sith but I have also one problem with the opening crawl there... "There are heroes on both sides. Evil is everywhere." What tf does that even mean? I have analysed very difficult texts but this has to be a joke.) And then there is the problem with dialogue... The prequel dialogue just shows that George Lucas has never felt the touch of a woman in his life. Now yall maybe enjoy cringing at a movie convincing yourselves those lines are iconic or whatever but I find 2,5h of this horrible dialogue unwatchable because even if he intends to be awkward, nobody speaks like that and I know this because I am a very awkward person in real life. These movies don't make me feel any emotions and if the movie didn't specifically tell me what emotions the characters experience (e.g. those scenes where Anakin straight up says he's angry) I would have no clue at all. I also hate Anakin in these movies because he is a total piece of shit for no reason at all. I love his portrait in the animated series The Clone Wars where you can clearly see how he experiences his inner conflict between the sides of the force and his corrupted actions are pretty reasonable but in the movies, he just acts like a total psychopath. I could write a lot more but hopefully, you realize by now that those movies are not as great as you think.
Woah. I've been watching Star Wars since before I could read, or really understand half of what they were saying for that matter, but I think the fact that dialogue served more "as a sound effect" was what made me follow the story. At the time I didn't know what a republic was, the senate, or diplomacy. But I could recognize the tones and moods of dialogue, so I understood the plot quite well. I dunno it's just interesting to realize. Thank you!
As somebody growing up without being able to speak or read english, I kind of never felt like I missed anything. Most other movies were impossible to get enjoyment out of without it being dubbed.
Maybe I like the Dialogue a lot because it’s straight forward it literary tells you what is anyone thinking etc. and it’s probably because I have Autism so the straight up dialogue helps me.
Its ridiculous to say that Ewan is the only reason people remember Obi-Wan's lines, George Lucas intentionally wanted to show Obi-Wan to be a swashbuckling wise guy with a quip for every scenario because it lines up with the ESB scene where Yoda protests that Luke is reckless and Obi responds with "So was I, if you remember." It wasn't a situation where Obi-Wan's lines are grave and serious but they are written so badly that people laugh at the bad craftsmanship, everything was intentional.
@@coleeckerman1390 Ewan isn't the _only_ reason the lines stick in memory, granted. Still, this is a Hamlet-style tragedy where the main tragic fallen hero consistently has wonky dialogue.
"You could hear it in a foreign language and still understand it" How right you are. When I first saw Star Wars in a US theater in 1978, I was 10 and hardly spoke a word of English. Yet that movie was the most exciting thing I ever saw.
Which is funny because Star Wars is one of the few SPACE settings with multiple species and cultures that actually bothers having and fleshing out several distinct languages for various cultures and species, this also includes droid binary talk like with R2-D2 and yet despite these suppose language barriers we can often infer what characters speaking in a strange tongue are saying, guess with reasonable accuracy their meanings and intentions just by body language or tone alone!
God damn, your editing is on point. I especially love the "They'll do their job well" smash cut to Cody ordering his troops to fire on Obi-Wan. An association I'd never thought of before.
I won't deny that Anakin's love confession to Padmé is very over-the-top and melodramatic, but I think in the context of Lucas' style of filmmaking, it's not entirely without merit. Being a drama king is just part of who Anakin is, and as a teenager with little experience in positive casual socializing (let alone in flirting), he's inevitably going to sound very silly and inarticulate. Although his dialogue pushes things to the extreme, it's entirely in character for Anakin to sound as dumb and cheesy as he does. And frankly, the sentiment behind what he says is actually quite cute and sweet in my opinion.
The prequels were better than the originals to me. If you were raised as a slave in a world filled with sand and then brought to be trained as a Jedi and learn to have no attachments you would be awkward and “cringe” too. Anakin isn’t a drama king??? What do you expect him to say after his mother is killed?
@@thereyougoagain1280 Padme is not a drama queen. She's the sensible one. Which dialogue of Padme's are you referring to? If it's Queen Amidala's dialogue you meant, that's 'stately dialogue' in line with her position as a political leader of Naboo.
Exactly. The Jedi brought him in and tought him to repress his emotions just as his hormones started raging. Then he met Padme and fell head over heels for her. What was he going to be, some sort of suave James Bond type? He was awkward nad cringeworthy. So were most Star Wars fans, and I think they didnt like that being refelcted back at them...
George Lucas is fully aware that his dialogue is corny and that's why it always sounds sincere. It's not meant to be cool or trendy or anything like that, it's just meant to be honest. Frankly, we need a lot more of that in today's society.
No. It’s just corny and bad. There is plenty of amazing dialogue that is sincere and honest, not cool or trendy, and isn’t corny and terrible like Lucas’s dialogue. Him being fully aware of how corny it is does make it a bit more enjoyable and have a cool sense of melodrama, but at the end of the day the prequel dialogue is just plain bad. Iconic and memorable (like “If you're not with me...then you're my enemy!”) isn’t iconic because it’s good. It does take a chance, is risky, and has an attractive melodramatic quality, while being kind of funny- but it’s just bad writing and dialogue.
@@michaelsacco4212 Would you make these complaints about William Shakespeare? Do you think "With base? With baseness? Bastardy? Base, base?" sounds more natural than Anakin simply being upfront with Padme about how he feels?
Tom Norton you can bring up countless examples of melodramatic dialogue. Just because it’s melodramatic doesn’t mean it’s bad. The dialogue is wooden, cringey, forced. Sure it borrows attributes of Shakespeare, but not well. These are feature films. Movie dialogue needs to have a level of naturalness and not be as scripted and dull like the prequels. You can like the dialogue, nothing wrong with that. It’s just not good. The fact that this video even exists is evidence of that
@@michaelsacco4212 Movie dialogue does not need to be natural. It needs to fit the story and Lucas' dialogue does. Star Wars has always had "bad" dialogue; Alec Guinness, Mark Hamill and Harrison Ford were making fun of Lucas for it right from the start. It's part of the franchise's identity.
Tom Norton both trilogies have an epic and melodramatic feel to their dialogue, but the original trilogies dialogue is obviously 100x more convincing, less wooden, and natural. There’s no arguing with that
Sincerity and earnestness is often looked down upon these days in this postmodern world of irony and cynicism. That says nothing about these movies but more so about the world that we currently live in. I’ve seen people going back and criticizing a lot of classics from Spielberg, Cameron, the Raimi trilogy, Forrest Gump, Rocky, Back To the Future, Lord of the Rings and other such works that are genuine and heartfelt in their sincerity but are now perceived by many to be “cheesy” or “corny”. Not for me though. To me, that is the good stuff. Let’s see how well the MCU ages.
Funnily enough, I often called the Prequels his Shakespearean dialogue. Its flowery written but written with clear intent and poetry. It sometimes rubs people off the wrong way but to me it feels like it works great for the Universe it is.
George Lucas' dialogue reminds me of those moments when you're playing DnD and you want to have your character says something, but you feel like it would be cringey and silly, so you don't. George Lucas has none of those moments. He has a world that is mythical in its nature that places the ancient stories of fantasy and mythology in the far future, and he has dialogue that fits. He has no fear that his dialogue will be cringey or wooden because he knows his world and his story are the places for them.
People were shitting on Lucas for decades. He is just a guy, who wanted to do something his own way and what actually many people appreciated. Then people received Star Wars without Lucas and understood their mistake...
@@xshxr Literally means that it is objective reality that everyone thinks the dialogue sucks. Which this video has proven false. This guy doesn't agree and he is part of everyone. Therefore it isn't literal.
Favorite line: "Anakin's the father, isn't he? I'm so sorry." heartbreaking every time. Thanks for making so many great videos about Star Wars. Brilliant stuff.
@@BioGoji-zm5ph "What is it Obi-Wan?" "It's Palpatine . He's the phantom menace behind the attack of the clones in order to exact the revenge of the Sith" "OMG he's behind all the movies!" Lol 🤣🤣
@@gumdeo Oh yeah, it's a great line due to how it can be viewed in multiple ways. "I'm so sorry" that you won't have a husband anymore. "I'm so sorry" that your children won't have a father. "I'm so sorry" that I have to do this :/
If you read a book that was written centuries ago you can notice people don't speak the same way as we do. I think it makes sense the characters in Star Wars who are from a galaxy far far away would also speak a little differently.
His brand of dialogue works wonderfully in tense and emotionally charged moments, because that's when people speak without thinking. They open as fully as they can and don't structure their statements. This is why it lands so well in those scenes. In normal, less emotional scenes it seems awkward because people are more closed off in those moments and choose their words and craft their statements more carefully.
A tip for appreciating Hayden's dialogue is to imagine him saying it in Vader's voice. You may laugh at the mental image of Darth Vader trying to romance Padmé by bluntly stating "I am haunted by the kiss that you never should have given me," but that is exactly the stilted formal way Vader talks. Once you learn to appreciate Anakin's faux-cool speech patterns, you'll actually be disappointed with Matt Lanter's performance.
It works the other way too. Try imagining Hayden saying “The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am” or “I am altering the deal; pray I don’t alter it further.”
@@waltascher holy shit this is genius. I've heard about the Hayden imitating Vader but never thought of him saying the actual dialogue and it totally works.
I really don't understand why people hate the i don't like sand... She literally just got done explaining swimming across the lake, and laying out on the beach half naked on the sand. She painted a perfect image in his mind of something enjoyable. As someone who has lived in the desert for several years. It makes alot of since I hate the sand too, its annoying and rough, unlike the smooth refreshing water. Like that of a woman's touch. How hard is it to understand the lines...??? It really isn't hard.
hyper-critical people who cant enjoy the movie for what it is. good plot, good character development, but they need something to dislike and mock because it's either boomers who want to be loyal to the original trilogy, or its pretentious "intellectuals"
A disruption of communications can mean only one thing: Invasion This was a piece of dialog from the first Phantom Menace trailer and I remember it 20+ years later. Says all I think.
Also, a huge portion of the awkward writing stuff is from anakin and I honestly think that's just how the character was supposed to talk and 80% of the time I personally think it feels very genuine. Hes awkward, emotional, honest, dramatic. It's perfect for him (most of the time)
I think that line is powerful and genius, because it is established earlier that anakin thinks of obi wan as his father, yet in episode 3 obi describes anakin as his brother twice, and tells him "you have become a greater jedi than I could ever hope to" Anakin sees obi as his mentor, pretty much his father, because he is his master. However, obi wan has nothing but respect for anakin and had by that point started to see him as an equal or a superior, not as his padawan anymore. Obi wan didnt just love anakin, he looked up to him, all the while anakin was accusing obi wan of holding him back. When Yoda tasks obi wan to hunt down and kill anakin, his heart literally breaks. The truth is obi wan died alongside anakin on that terrible day of betrayal, so much so that he started calling himself Ben and became reclusive, his only purpose being to watch over his lost brother's son until he met anakin one last time.
"I miss you so much" you can feel the pain and anguish in Anakin's voice. A mother who he was taken away from at such a young age, tormented by dreams of her suffering and the very order he devoted his life to refusing to let him go save her. Such a brilliant line
In the defence of Padme and anakin's dialogue, they make sense in character. Anakin's been in a religious order from the age of 9 Padme's been a politician from 14. Neither of them have spent much time in the real world, so they don't know how these things work, nor how to approach them at all.
This kinda made me like a fanfic named What if Anakin Skywalker never becomes a Sith Lord and one of the many possible nexus events: Anakin leaves with Ahsoka
The genius of George Lucas is also his way of filming: the shots are often long, wide and allow the context to be easily defined. Special effects are important but Lucas takes the time to show us each scene in detail, without adding tons of action or unnecessary fast movements. The same goes for the duels, the centerpieces of each film: the choreographies are always neat without trying to change plan every second to impress us.
@@jimcorleone7861 Are you trying to insult him? You just said that he is now focused and strong. But also he's right, most of the shots in the prequels were literally wide-shots of two characters casually pacing towards the camera with a CGI backdrop. It's laziness, and has been present in cinematography since the beginning and is often used in cheap productions with low budget or productions meant to make a quick buck. Why would Lucas using this cheap, uninspired and lazy technique make his use of it better?
Anakin’s dialogue at least makes sense for his character in the prequels. He was ripped from his mother during the most developmental time of his life and told to shut off his emotions despite them being a key part of his identity, resulting in emotional stunting and his awkwardness when interacting with others. It would be genius aside from the fact everyone in the prequels is like that
Whenever I hear Anakin scream "I hate you" to Obi-Wan, I feel so many emotions, the fear I had watching him as a kid, the sadness it brings, their relationship destroyed and the hurt Obi-Wan recieves. I personally feel Revenge of the Sith no matter how many people dislike it, you have to admit, it had some powerful, hard hitting moments!
i just watched rots for the first time last night, and i really enjoyed it! it was tough going from anakin and obi wan joking and teasing each other at the beginning, to 2 hours later trying to kill each other
“You could probably watch them in a foreign language and still understand what’s happening.” Wow, that put the entire saga into a completely new perspective for me.
Various characters, aliens, droids and even some humans speaking in strange languages in-universe but we can still understand the jist of what they're saying most of the time by their tone, body language and other non verbal signs!
My favourite line will always be “I am a Jedi like my father before me” it’s simple and effective and I love how it perfectly captures Luke’s and anakins story, accepting that he can be a Jedi, that he can be good again. Though I will always love “ask this is how liberty die, with thunderous applause” it’s so good. I will never not love the prequels (also if you ask me, the Disney trilogy have by far the worst dialogue out of all of Star Wars movies)
True the only piece of dialogue I can remember from the sequels is "blow that piece of junk out of the sky!" Cause Adams delivery is so cool! Oh and "REEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY"
Having recently rewatched the prequels I noticed something I hadnt when watching them as a a kid. Theres a dynamic character change that happens within anakin in the finale of RotS that I love. The whole Trilogy he tries to restrain himself. Of course his dialogue is wooden, because he went into the jedi order at a later age than any other jedi. The whole Trilogy you witness him trying to suppress his emotions and be the "model jedi" when that's just not how he grew up. He's putting on an act. In Phantom Menace he's cocky, arrogant, and impulsive, something that any 9 or 10 year old boy ahead of his peers in every way would be like, especially on a competitive desert planet like Tatooine. Then suddenly he's thrust into this monastic order that tells him to suppress everything he's felt until then, to forget his mother, etc, to be completely humble, while at the same time telling him he's "The Chosen One", essentially the Jedi messiah, a position that should automatically grant him the highest respect and power amongst the jedi. But it doesn't. Instead he's denied the title of Jedi Master, while being berated and even ridiculed by his master. But then he's presented with a different path. Someone comes along and says "the jedi have lost their way, the republic is crumbling, your only chance to be anything more than what you are is to side with me." So he takes it. He takes the opportunity to side with Palpatine and let his emotions guide him, not realizing, until later, that that option was much worse than reforming the jedi order from the inside, which is what he would have done had he stayed behind when Mace said to, and subsequently been promoted to master. In an alternate timeline he could have been the one to succeed Yoda and return the Jedi Order to its peacekeeping roots. And then, at the very end, he stills speaks in an arrogant and aloof manner right up until Obi Wan chops his limbs off. Then, in that fateful moment when he yells at Obi Wan that he hates him, that's when he allows all that emotion out. Theres not just hate but also love in those words. He realizes that Obi Wan is right in a way, through his actions he's allowed himself to become Palpatines puppet, has allowed himself to have his "heart twisted by this dark lord". He's acknowledging that, although he still believes the old republic was inefficient and the jedi "evil from his point of view", it would probably be better than being ruled by Palpatine. Then, once he's in the suit, he can't fight Palpatine on his own anymore, as (I believe it's cannon) that Palpatine deliberately had the suit made in such a way as to constantly keep Anakin in a weaker state than Palpatine and in pain so the rage and hatred that fuels the dark side would more easily flow through him. Which is why in the OT he goes so soft on Luke, he's trying to train him up, so he really can depose Palpatine and create an Empire with "Peace, Freedom, Justice, and Security", ruling alongside his son. What he doesn't expect is for Palpatine to try to kill the only candidate who could possibly succeed the aging Anakin as his successor, hence why he throws him down the shaft.
I dobut the part about training him. otherwise he wouldn't chop his son's arm off. He, at the point of the Empire Strikes Back, still has a twisted set of values. He has conflicted feeling for both Luke and Palpatine. For the later he definitely remained loyal to and he if he truly want to rule the galaxy with his son, he would just disposed of Palpatine, but rule in the same autocratic style as him.
Anakin is a horny teen in the second movie having been told the last near decade to stop being emotional. Then he gets thrust into an assignment with as he puts it 'an angel,' and someone he was incredibly attracted to. He's going to be a dumb awkward teen saying weird things. Hayden's acting was accidentally brilliant and basically perfectly portrayed what a person going through that sort of thing would act and talk like. When he was talking about killing the tuskans, he was breaking inside. Being emotional and realizi g what he had done, trying to supress it with jedi training, and mentally snapping at the inner conflict.
@@williampan29 Luke lost his hand while Anakin lost half his arm. Along with the rest of his limbs and had to live in a life support suit. Compared to what Vader/Anakin went through, he was going easy on Luke.
