George R. R. Martin Warned Us About House of the Dragon's Writing 

made me wanna throw up

Exactly. Sadly, friendships are no longer enough in Hollywood. Every relationship has to have sexual undertones especially if it is queer.

look a puriten talking about how its not sanitary enough.

You obv have never been to a goth club😂

Apparently it got the actresses going, since it made them want to spontaneously make out

Right, doesn’t Helaena basically go insane in the book?

@@conniptions1533 Exactly, it’s one of the reasons she doesn’t fight on Dreamfyre in the defense of the Greens. And ends throwing herself out the window to her death

Also let’s not forget that she has barely any scenes, when in the books you can easily empathize with her character because they show you how much pain she’s going through due to her child’s death.

​@@nicksmith128thanks for the spoiler dude good job

@@lpnp9477The show sucks, spoilers will make no difference at this point. Here’s another spoiler the next season will probably be worse than this one.

Right. It seems super easy to just get into each others bedrooms. It’s like a cartoon

It was soo tasteless I wouldn’t write that or think of it even if I was 10 years old

@ericd1022 it makes complete sense if you're a modern feminist. Try to view it that way

Aemond ordered that every boat that leaves the harbour be inspected as well. Theres no way word of the queen or somone with her likeness being at the harbour WOULDNT reach aemond

​@@lukeswa.nlet's face it, Condal aka Dumb and Dumber 2.0 and his idiot writers don't have the brainpower to think that far.

George RR Martin really should just finish the god damn books😅

That's such a naive thought. Why would HBO give him creative authority when it is most likely them who push for these additions to the scenes?

If they did that it would take about 5 years to write one episode.

They will never do it

George RR Martin sold the rights to his world years ago lol The idea of him having veto power over anything is laughable, hence the salty blog posts

Like why couldn’t we have had this!!! Budget sounds reasonable AND it gives more backstory to two new characters that people would love. Like the books spell out shit for these people and they say fuck it. Instead let’s fuck around with Daemon and Rhaenyra doing nothing all season.

@@edd4131 That's not even the worse case here. I invite you to look into someone named Nettles.

​@@thibautisserant Rhaena>Nettles

@rajyavardhansingh4491 Nettles>Rhaena

@@thibautisserant Oh, our poor smart and patient girl. Her story of claiming the dragon was so inspiring in the books. In the show we get a girl running to the dangerous creature and hoping for the best.

Tbf, the problem with GoT wasn't so much show writers deviating from the source material because of their ego (they did some of that, but the show could survive it.); main problem there was show writers just plain running out of source material (because GRRM never finished the last two books) and having to continue on their own, with only a couple general tips from GRRM as to what ought to happen.

@@SirContowhich is why it’s even more frustrating. At least D&D did AMAZING work with seasons 1-4 when they had material. When it ran out, fine, it sucked. But these writers have it all. They chose to bastardize it. They chose to ruin it. And they chose to insert personal agendas into a fantasy story.

Even got s8 is better this s2 shit

@@SirConto "main problem there was show writers just plain running out of source material" This is completely and utterly false and I wish people stopped saying this. You probably haven't even read the books. In season 5 they WERE still adapting books, 4 and 5, and they changed almost EVERYTHING. Dorne, Stannis, Sansa's arc, Aegon left out, Mance, Stoneheart, on and on it goes. They deviated from the source material to an absurd degree, and that was exactly the moment the show dropped off a cliff. It wouldn't have mattered if George had written the final books, because the writers ALREADY had completely abandoned them.

@@AegonTheUnlikely D&D did have all the source material for season 5 too, and they completely changed it and replaced it with storylines of their own, all of which were terrible.

I think that’s an insult to most fanfics at this point. Most fanfics are usually the first effort by the person writing it and aren’t actually professionals who are paid by large corporations. Hell, even then some fanfics can be so bad they’re good or at least entertainingly crazy with what the fan thinks.

@@williamfrank962 true. There's a lot of fanfic that is much better than the original. I guess, the most apt is that most writers are unexperienced on how to write and needs more training which the studio fails to give

@@arrielradja5522 honestly, in my opinion it’s a mixture of inexperience, politics (unfortunately), and studio meddling. The first I think like you said that many writers are hired on don’t have much experience when it comes to game shows and movies. I mean try to compare movies that were considered mediocre 15 years ago and can bet if it were made today with modern cgi and budgets it would probably be hailed as a great movie due to the movies we usually get today. Rhaynera visiting alicent in the sept where they used to converse all those years ago to try to appeal to peace sounds good on paper: it’s a last desperate attempt between former friends to stop war, its a callback to previous scenes, it emphasizes the importance of role of religion of alicent and is a last farewell to the two before bloodshed. However, logistically it doesn’t make sense. Rhaynera wouldn’t be able to really enter the capital and even if she did she’d be taken away in a realistic sense to end the war before it continues, the blacks would panic as their queen would be gone for at least a couple days as it takes distance to travel, there’s no way the greens wouldn’t have people telling them that they saw her dragon as everyone is watching the sky presumably after cristen Cole’s chase into the Forrest and the battle with sun fyre and Vhagar and finally it what can alicent do? She has no real power in the game besides being aegons mother who don’t listen to here anymore all she’s doing in my eyes making alicent have a guilt trip over her choice of actions. Second and while I don’t mean to get political I know from actual experience within the entertainment industry that politics and identity politics are being deliberately pushed and are a focus point during meetings. House of the dragon proves this with the characterization of the two female leads and the male ones (aegon, aemond and Daemon). The book paints them all as multifaceted characters who come off as very grey all around both the greens and the black have just as much reason for you to hate them as much as support them. The show especially in season two makes it clear who you are meant to route for (blacks) and who are the villains (greens). With many deliberate evil actions by the blacks ether being accidents or outright ignored. The issue is that in today’s age some studio heads won’t allow certain minorities or a gender to be outright villains and also won’t allow them to be portrayed in certain ways. It’s why Maeve from the boys wasn’t killed, it’s why Rhaynera can’t be overtly villainous. I understand the thought process somewhat (you don’t want to be punching down) but the issue is that it takes away from the nuances of conflict that was done well in the book. I also think this series wants Rhaynera to be the new Danny which can’t work as (before her turn) Danny was far more morally righteous and caring towards the people and characters than Rhaynera ever was but to counter this they are deliberately trying to alter her character to be more like Danny. Daemon also has been nurtured compared to his counterpart along with aegon and aemond relationship. He’s far more weak in terms of self confidence, determination and personality, I think this was done because Daemon can be seen as a toxic masculine figure that people would rally behind. I also think they deliberately gutted the relationship between aemond and aegon. In the books I believe aemond is actually the smaller of the two and while the aegon still bullies aemond I believe the two actually form a strong bond. Aegon gives aemond a feast after liking Luke and aemond (at least described) is horrified by what was done to his children and goes into a rage and it would’ve been a nice change to see a power hungry character actually not go behind his brothers back to take the throne because he just genuinely cares for him, I think it was done to create tension but at the same time they are also two “toxic” characters and showing a genuine friendship between male characters that isn’t just “bro this and that” is harder to find. But I do think I’m looking to far with that one. Finally it’s clear that the studio has made this series slog because they need to ether make sure the budget is enough for later and it’s safe enough for producers to invest in. This is becoming more of an issue with tv shows, movies and games demanding higher and higher budgets due to production costs. It’s just a part of life and just how entertainment is currently and it’s not a blame game but you can tell they are stalling because of some budgetary reasons and stretching it out for them to get their money’s worth and more.

I agree! This season felt like a whole poorly written fanfiction.

As a fanfiction writer I myself, I write for me and if other people like what I make then good but thats not my priority. These show writers are writing for millions of people who are getting paid a professional's wage.

Just like another certain show

S1 was not good either 😂

Not totally. Both seasons were a mixed bag with some great additions to the book content but some glaring flaws. Still good imo

Season 1 was good at best. It definitely had stupid moments even for the most casual viewer's eyes.

It so odd, because after watching Season 1 I was like - "Great! Seems they have learned a bunch of valuable lessons from GoT" and then S2 HOTD is honestly among the worse seasons in GoT and HotD combined. What a letdown :(

yeah, its completly nuts. Daemon thinking about his mum? Sex scene.... WTF is goung on in this fucked up world?

@@TheRealDionysos i wonder, if it might be related to the fact, people across the world, but especially in developped countries, have less and less sex, especially the younger generations. People loosing their touch with sex in real life, they want to compensate with the screen...

@@bretonneux3389 I think porn addiction has a place in this matter. A TV Show is kinda like a tiktok/short/reel attention seeking and kinks are getting crazier because of the porn addiction. So they put sex where it doesnt belong just to get some attention.

Thank you. So many strong, platonic relationships are ruined by writers thinking it has to lead to romance

​@@anonymousanonym450until you stop being anonymous im a few years, you will stop

Ego always gets in the way

It’s not accidental. They all have to put ‘the message’ in, but they know that won’t attract an audience so they find something good and force the message into it. Nothing that begins with the message in mind is good, so they have to take good stuff that doesn’t have the message and cram it in there.

I’m still not over how they butchered the Witcher

​@@JoeMama-yd1vespot on

@@JoeMama-yd1ve Umm.... What is the "message" are you referring to? Could you elaborate for me if I may ask?

Their egos are big, their talent is anything but big. It's the nepotistic and cronyism of tv and movie land that's destroyed the chances of people with talent getting a foot in the door.

TV writers, let's be precise.

because you keep consuming this sh*t.

The first 2 seasons of House of the Dragon are based on like 100 pages total. There just isn’t enough source material for an adaptation not to add more. Also, a big theme of Fire and Blood is that the histories ARE NOT RELIABLE

@@lardplowsmen2891 i understand adding for example, alicent and rhaenyras relationship, the book wouldn’t obviously have that, or viserys being such a good character, but omitting some of them or just blatantly doing weird shit

I honestly believe that daemon paid qarl correy to slay him at that fair at spicetown in front of eye witnesses and didn’t corlys go and receive his sons corpse

@@Aegon-Targaryen29AC that’s some interesting head canon

@@brainboyben going from what mushroom said but i know he ain’t reliable theres a few ways in fire and blood they say it could of happened and headcannon ?

@@brainboyben I didn’t guess that bro 😂

Or imagine it it’s in fire and blood I’m agreeing with you 😂

Alicent not seizing her was even worse writing.

Imagine not arresting the woman whose side ordered the death of your grandchild. You could have ended the war right then and there and prevented the deaths of all three of your children

Rynerea is terrible altogether she inspires zero confidence dont know if shes supposed to act like that of its the actress

@@SunDogGod I think she understood Rhaenerya was not responsible for that. I mean why go through all that effort to talk to her if she was that furious that Alicent was responsible for the death of her son, and Team Green drew first blood. But yeah, makes no sense not to detain her no matter what she thought. Since she knows the war is only going to end with the death of her family or Rhaenerya's family.

They wanted to create a reason to have Rhaenyra and Alicent speaking togetherand they had to make Rhaenyra look more interested in finding a peaceful solution so they contrived this foolish scheme which would be incredibly dangerous to her cause, and even worse had no hope of success by that point.

Fanfiction 😂

Lesbian worshipping writers probably.

The writers apparently

Yeah, especially after the writers doubled down and repeated the same mistake, this time with Alicent sneaking out of King's Landing to see Rhaenyra! What the heck are these writers doing, have they even read the book? These characters are no longer supposed to be friends, and these scenes make both of them look like complete idiots.

​@Rocket1377 Even more batshit insane is the fact Alicent literally gives up BOTH of her sons to be murdered . . . I knew something was wrong when they made Halaena just casually give up her baby boy to be brutally murdered without a moments hesitation, punctuated by the insane lack of emotion/fear or even real care as her son was literally beheaded 5ft away from her . . . . . . . . . That's so ****ing crazy to me it's actually mind boggling, these writers (specifically the woman involved in this show) are THAT detached from reality and mentally unhinged from their warped beliefs and views of society.

@@Rocket1377 the book itself is vague and literally written from the perspective of a maester after the fact. I feel like that argument never holds water.

⁠@@Intreductorwhat argument, that rhaenyra and Alicent aren’t friends?

Wait a couple years not a couple weeks

@@cb-7422 nobody care besides the « book purists ». Y’all find an issue in anything every Sunday lmaoo

@@cb-7422 I’d probably agree with this take, even having not read the books myself. I don’t know a single person arguing for the Greens, clearly it’s not a hard choice for the audience.

@@jacobdehaas6482 Yea that's kinda the issue, the whole point of having two sides and doing this "choose your team" advertising campaign is for both sides to be viable in some ways and bad in others.

​@@Astro-uc1pi giiiirl poweeeeeeeer yaaaas slay queeeeeeeeen 😂😂

​@@Astro-uc1pi giiiirl poweeeeeeeer yaaaas slay queeeeeeeeen 😂😂

I wanted to see a story where both sides seem despicable which seems to be more in line with the books.

Exactly. Cersei is a piece of shit til the end but she is a compelling piece of shit. If these guys handled GOT they probably would've made her innocent

Exactly. Cersei was a piece of sh*t but she was a compelling piece of sh*t and her scenes were always great. I can't imagine what these writers would have done to her if they handled GOT.

​@@bandoogiemanzyeah that was the feeling I had after season 1, but this season did not deliver on that

​@@bandoogiemanz they were both filled with heroes and villains, that's what made The Dance so interesting.

GoT's first season was far from being it's best, with its un-warranted hostility, tits, plastic armors, silly helmets, tits, outrageous wigs, synthetiser music, tits, rigid structure...

No, the first season was one of the best. It wasn’t the best but was certainly better than 5-8 when D&D needed to write on their own since Martin didn’t finish the books like he said he would. Besides, what’s wrong with tits?

The TV stayed tight with the books right up until S7 if i remember rightly

​@@martinportelance138Who hates tits??

@@redberries8039 The books ended about partway through Season 5. In the books at that point Tyrion is with Dany, Sansa is still at the Vale, Arya is at the House of Black and White, Bran is with the 3 eyed raven, etc. That's where things started to really fall off the rails when there was no more book material. As much as I love the series, GRRM is the main person one to blame for not continuing the books over those years GoT was in production and helping the show to find its way. The problem is, he still doesn't know how to tie up the loose ends in a reasonable way.

I thought I was the only one at first. I was like “am I watching the same show as everyone else ?” . It was so disappointing

And Daemon in first season was great too but then...

He was, we got played again by the writers

​@Krit101wu don't want to know.

@Krit101w It can

@Krit101w Alicent goes to Dragonstone and tells Rhaenyra to take Kings Landing, effectively betraying her family and all her children for some reason no one knows. As well as continuing the terrible plot of people sneaking back and forth between Dragonstone and Kingslanding Daemon prostrates himself to Rhaenyra after having a vision of Daenerys, and he tells her “winter is coming, you are muh qween” mega cringe Helaena blatantly spoils what will happen to Aemond, like she literally says what his fate will be and where. No subtly and literary foreshadowing in the delivery, awful writing. “You will die at the God’s eye and Aegon will be king again”. The writers have no idea how to do basic foreshadowing to create buildup. Aemond cries like a b*tch after Helaena refuses to fight, confirming that Helaena is the most useless character in the show and only acts as a plot device to foretell future events. Apparently her only personality is autism.

@@synthamvs7624lmao you are so spot on it’s incredible 😂

How, pray tell, can a book about a FICTIONAL UNIVERSE be "historically accurate?"

@@TonyB2279 Follow the source material, like actually read the book. It isn't this complicated...

None of the changes are egregious or reckless.

@@thenickfoxx There was 2 examples given in this video of dumb changes that weren't even made by the script but by people who thought to improvise them in the moment with no regard to even the changed story they made, that's about as reckless as it gets.

@@thenickfoxx 2 episodes less this season, and I can count wasted minutes of showtime with useless filler that could have been used for material IN THE BOOKS…that’s financially reckless on the part of the showrunners and the writers

I think that they’re afraid of looking bad or not progressive if they don’t cram in that crap. It’s almost out of fear rather than a desire to spice up the story.

MODERN? there is so much gay people in medieval times in whore houses whos done more freaky shit than we do in this modern times, what they showed with Rhaenyra is very fucking weak for there times for boomers like you to handle

Ironically, it's _you_ that has it twisted when you say something like "what is supposed to be a gritty medieval fantasy" -- This place isn't even in our solar system, much less whatever definition of "medieval" you think it should be mimicking. This isn't history, it's entirely supernatural fiction. It can be structured in accordance to whatever ideals its creator(s) want it to be, and it has absolutely zero obligation to adhere to whatever corny lane you think is better. There's literally a billion other "gritty medieval fantasy" stories out there, go immerse yourself in one of them if that's what you want. There's literally no shortage of them.

​@@Trepanation21 Well, you said, "whatever ideals its creator wants it to be." The creator is George R.R. Martin, and they're not using his ideals in the show.

​@@Trepanation21Have you even read asoiaf?

tbh it makes perfect sense to me. The war hadn't started. She had no way to know how the succession was going to be resolved, whether peacefully or not. At this point the Greens hadn't killed anyone or declared war, but somehow she's meant to just burn her kin alive without a care in the world, in case something may or may not happen? Isn't kin slaying the worst crime possible in this world? All she wanted was just to bust out of there because she was being held captive, but beyond that she had no reason to kill any of the Greens.

the writers are trying to make the female characters "boss babes" but instead just make stupid fcking decisions.

@@sennsita01they literally were holding her captive and keeping the king death a secret. It wasn’t a question what was about to happen. Also the whole point it made no sense for her to even be there.

Bad take, killing members of your own family is not something you do lightly. And it would have been a crime that demanded her own execution if Rhaenyra was to at all care about justice. Not to mention early enough a point that the secession devolving into a full on war was not inevitable.

@@evangelosvasiliades1204 It wouldn't have been considered a crime - Rhaenyra would take the throne without competition and it would have been considered heroic (victors write the history books, etc.). Besides, things that should have been considered crimes in this show only occasionally get punished. Cristin Cole beat a man to death in front of everyone for no apparent reason... and nothing happened. There are a lot of inconsistencies in this show.

Emma, the actor that plays raenyra is gay so yea

@@Dr_Diaz and? i'm gay too and don't immediately think of kissing the person that just confessed to being s.a.'d and almost killed just cos "it was the mood".

@@luv-like.a.papercut you have to understand that when you suffer a mental illness of this degree, not all react the same way.

Comfort and understanding.

@@Dr_Diaz that's a weird argument you just pulled out of thin air. its still weird af, dude

@@thisisboxingproductions6894 the writing already went downhill back in S1 starting with the lame "Aegon's dream" like Aegon the Conqueror saw the white walkers but didn't see what Visenya and Maegor did (dude saw he had advantage that's all), and then in Ep8 how they made Alicent accept Rhaenyra as the future queen after all she did with Daemon, like the "Laenor" thing and the Vaemond thing just 2 hours ago, wtf was that about? does a regent queen like Alicent really needs to misunderstand Viserys to chose her son over Rhaenyra after all she saw and knows about the Blacks? As if Rhaenyra didn't also fight for her non-Velaryon son to take Driftmark, it was a very biased and lazy writing and framing and it's very very early for this, D&D showed more fairness to Stannis than Condal ever did with this story and characters I would have honestly loved Rhaenyra if she was grey and told Daemon to order Leanor's death for real in Ep7 it would have shown her to be aware of what's waiting for her Strong boys in the far future so she decides to eliminate the "alcoholic absent father" to have a trueborn sons with unquestionable parentage, because in her defense Laenor was a burden and it can just be her and Daemon's secret to take for the grave, how is Rhea Royce's death is more acceptable than Leanor's? Laenor is a bigger burden for Rhaenyra than Rhea Royce ever was for Daemon, instead of that we got a very delusional Rhaenyra that thinks she's in the year 2024 in some western country

@@4549uef I agree with most of this but expand on the strong boys / leanor / trueborn relationship ... Woldnt this mean Rheanyra has subconscious and potentially negative outlook of her bastards

@@guwopzyyes that's the point, Rhaenyra having consciousness on the Strong boys gives her character awareness, did she really think that a Strong boy will forever be secured on the throne with her brothers and younger sons in the picture? Come on, even by removing the Greens there's still a problem This doesn't mean that she has a negative outlook on them, it means that she wants what's best for everyone, because I can't see any alternative outcome where Jace become King and Daemon's sons just play loyal (Daemon Blackfyre rebelled for less) but Rhaenyra being so delusional about Jace's lineage and future is so bad for her character's intelligence, I think awareRhae is more interesting and entertaining to watch, she would have made a tough decision as a parent but understandably right one

@@4549uef 👌👌 I get you. Even in the most recent episode right after Jace lashed out in my head the conversation and her reaction seemed off, from a writing standpoint.

Yeah I'm with you. I'm less hopeful and definitely tipping into afraid now of just how much they will bend this beautiful story over the barrel, and just have there way with it.

I saw the leaks too and was absolutely cringing at Daemon turning into Jon Snow 2.0 with the “you are muh qween” ish and the song of ice and fire crap. It’s almost like the writers don’t know that people hated the last seasons of the show. Out of touch with their audience.

@@synthamvs7624 And now we know the leaks are true... We're cooked.

She must have like an 80 IQ, how is this person a writer? Send her to rings of power where she belongs

No effing way! Is this legit?

@@andrzejkopalniayessss

Women honestly can’t help but ruin every fantasy and sci-fi project they’re given creative control over.

Nah that can’t be real 😂

100% exactly

They don't want to follow the books bc they got high with how successful s1 was so they try to top it by adding their own creative twist to say "this is MY adaptation" appealing to the woke crowd with that random kiss right after she talked about her father raping her and cutting her baby out and being left for dead? Kissing right after that sure feels right apparently

@@hangyao479 I watched an interview that had the actresses saying yeah we just felt it was right to kiss. Director was like sure fuck it why not. Whole show is going to shit. The dragon fights will be fun and that's about it.

@@Palaecrouhh if you read fire and blood George indicates intimate relationships between Targaryen women and their ladies in waiting. It’s very much source material and very much in his world of GOT.

All events of season 2 described in approximately 20 pages in the book. "Fire and Blood" is literally a Wikipedia article and it can't be simply TV adapted without changes. Many are upset about Daemon in this season, but at this point in the books he is literally doing nothing. Some changes are weird, like Rhaenyra sneaking into King's Landing or her kiss with Mysaria, but overall most of the content they made up is well-done and often adds more layer's to the original story. So far the biggest step from the books - Rhaena claiming Sheepstealer, which is disappointing, but not as much big of a deal really, as people describe it. Everything else is quite simply adding up with the books.

So, you saw the finale leaks too huh?

I came here after seeing the ep.. felt like some star wars sequels fall off oh my god

The show is doing very well, and u don't have to watch it...

@@greysaku it’s my favorite show out right now, that doesn’t mean we can’t point out problems that we have with it…

​@@greysaku 💯

​@@greysakujust because it's doing well doesn't mean it's been good this season has been a massive let down they teased this huge war and what have we got one big dragon scene

Thank God I’ve gotten into warhammer to fill the void

Characters did the same to Jamie Lannister and theon in the original series. People think damon sent to lads to murder a baby it makes sense why people don’t particularly care for him

@raymondsims7042 Tbh that's all fine and dandy as B&C still does happen in the books. But even if ppl do loathe him in Fire and Blood,all of them,lords included know damn well wtf he would do to anyone who showed him even the slightest of disrespect. Book Daemon is literally the LAST person on earth you would want to show disdain to. Jaime got more shit because he didn't have a dragon,and even then ppl would mostly talk down to him when he was imprisoned and couldn't carve them apart like a cake. Theon on the other hand is a joke and everyone knows it,comparing him to these 2 gigachads is frankly insulting ngl. 😂😂😂

Game of Woke. All women in the GoT universe that mattered all got elevated to insane positions of power because.. no reason. House of the Dragon is doing more or less the same, over shadowing its strong male leads in favour of what ever this is.

Showrunners trying to make the men look small and pathetic.

Daemon Targaryen? More like Demo Targaryen AMIRIGHT

It did lol

Yeah this is definitely a insignificant nitpick, especially compared to the more better criticisms.

If an entire kingdom calls their leaders greens or blacks there's a good chance the leaders have heard the names they have for them

That pissed me off too Like who would do that It’s something I would think would actually only occur after a time in the historical record

"In the book" aren't you tired of this?This is season 2 and I am sure you watched sea 1 already.The show has been adapted from the book for TV and their are writers especially hired for that reason.So obviously there will be some changes.

​@@binayshrestha7132 Why are you complaining about people commenting and comparing the series with the book if the original video IS about that? What did you expect?

Like fat kid with cake.

except poeple who read the book said he got several basic facts wrong about the book.

@@AL-lh2ht Like what?

and righfully so? if the vast majority of people find the show enjoyable then it speaks to the quality of it 😂

​@@sean9636not really , people gave transformers 2 billions of dollars

Jeez dude relax 😂

@@kairosmvr1900no, he’s right. Watch tonight’s “finale” episode and you tell me with a straight face he isn’t 1000% right. This writing and entire season is hot garbage and a disgrace to fans who waited 2 years for *This*

Aegon the Unlikely speaks truth, this was pitiful

​@@kairosmvr1900worst shit I have seen

This comment is aging like fine wine. The season finale wrapped up a season of mostly nothing with more nothing. We got the one dragon fight, and not much else. Maybe next season some stuff will happen in more than one episode.

Are you being serious?🤔😂😂😂

Lol😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Wtf is goin on with you

what a snowflake

Screw everyone in these comments. You make a valid point. The kiss was off as the show could potray more interesting and important plot points, but they choose to have a random and completely strange kiss scene because they felt like it. The last part is important, as it deviates from the source material which is the main problem in the whole industry right now. Deviating from the source as GRRM says is the problem.

Soon Rhaenyra will be using They/ Them pronouns.

i dont think so, i personally never saw rhaenyra as straight and felt she had a weird crush on alicent from the very beginning (and this was with milly alcock)

@@Gabi-nn6xu women can’t be friends trope

and ASAP!

Oh trust me, it’s nowhere near as bad as Wheel Of Time (TV series) or Rings Of Power. That’s not a high bar to jump, but they’ve definitely cleared it!!

I was enjoying the first season.......this one. started having problems......when they introduced blatant woke aspects......it genuinely broke the suspension of desbelief for me.......specially since i can't tell what is canon or not.

How sad that the writers are not even qualified to ADAPT an already written book. Now remember that a lot of these core problems will butterfly effect and cause future plot holes

I agree with everything except the Aemond burning Aegon thing. When I read F&B it didn't seem like an accident to me. Doesn't Aemond also wearing the crown literally saying: "It suits me better than him"?

reading all this should haves from the latest episodes sounds like a child speaking giberish "ooh she should killed her on the spot ooh lets turn our brains off and just ATTACK" its so funny. to see this shit ass comment dables to politics and war so lightly is so funny to me. this pretty much sums up nowadays viewrs of this kind of shows, just shut it off man and watch She Hulk

y'all act like in times of war all of you will be all brave and bold and not incredibly cautious and resource conservatives like realistic people would be which is perfectly portrayed in this season lol. this is are realistic characters with realistic emotions, this aint some anime shit where everyone is magically emotionally hollow where they just go head on one dimensionally lelsz

I agree, the kiss idgaf, the plots being changed drastically like removing nettles are very bad decisions

Why can't u Western people fathom pure platonic friendship between people of the same sex?? Every relationship has to be sexual for you guys

Yes the first season was much more focused. I still like this season overall but the amount of quality scenes has gone down so much compared to season 1

The moment I saw them standing there I thought "damn they're all gonna die except for the two characters meant to be accepted by the dragons". Like imagine these people are all bastard children cast aside or tossed like garbage and have experienced a shitty life in most cases. And this "call" was their only chance to get something in this life but only for a select few. The rest like before, got tossed or rather burned to a crisp or eaten by the dragon. I really felt sorry for them. All sacrificial pawns. I get that she didn't want to hurt them but still it was pretty fucked up.

To me that shows incompetence as a leader and honestly she seemed a bit unhinged throughout that entire thing yet as usual the show doesn't frame her actions as a bad thing

@@MrFredstt This showed she was an actual Targaryen. She now has two extra dragons to use in the war and 50 less royal bastards to worry about. How did the show not frame it as a bad thing? Did you see her gaze during this whole scene? She knew they'd almost all die.

Well, that's why the guys who would usually participate in the ritual walked out and told her she was messing everything up. She knew the entire time she was doing something kind of sacrilegious, but it had also never been attempted before. It wasn't without consequence, and we saw before why it's usually quite a small audience in the first place...

Again, nobody in the show acknowledge that she did anything bad or even mention it to her. It is like it never happened. Fk these writers man.

By vomiting this idea into the ether, you’ve made it more likely to happen. How very dare you.

That’s just nonsense btw aegon ordered his dragon to eat her there’s no confusing that

Her being fireproof and surviving dragon fire only to get eaten would be funny

if something, they better make her chomp proof...

Sunfrye is dead

I hate those comments so much

That defense is so dumb and yet literally everywhere. “Well the bOoK dOeS noT tell us HoW iT rEalLy was, what really happened!!!”. No form of art will tell you what “really” happened, because none of it literally happened. We have two plots: the book plot and HOTD plot. The book plot is clean, coherent and makes perfect sense, while the hotd one is not bad, but could be so much better had they made closer to the book.

​@@naoimleschadExcept the book plot is neither clean nor coherent and certainly doesn't make much sense. GRRM certainly didn't put much thought into this book compared to his main 5 books. ..

That non-argument also completely misses the point of the Dance of the Dragons - nobody really knows who was good/bad or if anyone could really be called good/bad, we just know a struggle for power caused the entire continent to bleed. By making Rhaenyra the tragic virtuous hero and the Greens the shady usurpers, it flattens the moral dynamic and the core themes of the story.

​@@publiusventidiusbassus1232 they can use all that argument they want, but can't excuse they made the characters so unexciting and boring. Then book might exaggerate some stuff but at least the characters are interesting, power hungry and each has their own agenda which makes sense in wartime. Now they dumb down the show lol

Makes me question of the competency of writers these days...

@@Psychratic_JMB for showing a goat?

obligatory satan reference in a gay show is a joke ? not at all xD

i was like… c’mon Satan doesn’t go in Westeros

@@AL-lh2ht writers treating their source material like a joke meanwhile derailing the show...

They didn't have to rush it. For the five year time jump, they could've at least gave us one episode to know Harwin and Laena better

They shouldn't have shown it at all. We didn't need to see the stuff that happened before AGOT 1 to get a background. We didn't need to see the Greyjoy Rebellion, Cersei giving birth, Roberts Rebellion, etc to get what's going on in the story. The writers are just mid

@@notsorry4735not true at all, YOU didn’t need it cause you read the books. You do need some backstory that game of thrones didn’t give to understand the show better

Excatly there’s was no development at all not it’s all going to shite

@@GiveonKing no, they pretty much dropped all of it during the show. Same for the books, we got basically all of it via dialogue. George didn't start AGOT with 20 chapters of the events leading up to it. We didn't have to take a history lesson before seeing any of it. We discovered more as time progressed.

i’m still gonna be watching to see the dragons. i don’t love the story or plot changes but i like seeing the scenes with dragons in lol i just find them very neat

Ever time, I finished an episode. I couldn't even give a small recap to what happened. Every single episode and the entire season felt like filler. There is NO actual progress in the story like GoT. Daemon hallucinating the entire season, Corlys keeps moping around his bastard sons.

Yea that is what they do these days ! It’s sad !

​@@hc256 Exactly dude. Just because I love Daemon , Otto as characters doesn't mean I'll support them IRL. They're horrible people but let me have my fun with fiction.

Well are you? 😂

Can you help me understand why a dragon would stay put and starve, versus to roam and find food? Dragons have been enslaved for centuries and forced to exist in locations that could never produce food enough to sustain them (dragonstone, dragonpit) ... Even a territorial creature will migrate based on scarcity. Also - as dragons have widly different phenotypes (outward physiological markers) it would seem that they differ in such a way that they may prefer different climates from each other

@@6Churches these are interesting assumptions/expectations for a magical creature that is totally made up, don’t you think? The creature does whatever it does Bc the story is made up.

most writers are not from california.

@@AL-lh2ht yeah the only thing i learned from that comment, is i can now successfuly guess 90% of comment OP;s political views from that 1 comment alone.

@@mrsswindon How are you guessing 90% from one comment? Need to go back to math class

@@AL-lh2ht Do you not get what the OP is implying? It’s not literal, they’re saying that all of these Hollywood writers are shmucks with politely agendas

@@synthamvs7624 yes i can confidently say i can guess 90% of their opinion from that statement. yours as well judging from your other comment. Blah blah blah what are your thoughts on the term woke?

Yea he called LOTR fans toxic for not happily eating the Diarrhoea that was ROP simply because it had LOTR and Tolkiens name plastered on it. Did the same with Star wars fans for not eating disney Star wars Diarrhoea either. George wants everybody besides himself to tell his story. He neglects his book, green lights a spin off, withholds vital information about the story then complains when the show runners get that vital information wrong or neglect it. He could easily have told them that dragons wouldn’t fly around the eyrie alone. The reason why he didn’t is because he said that idea and the nature of dragons and targs will be fleshed out in later books, specifically Winds of winter. A book which was promised over 13 years ago, a book which seems more and more likely that he doesn’t intend to ever release at all if you go off of his most recent blog posts.

@@akeelyaqub2538 I dont believe he will ever finish Winds of Winter which he kept saying over the years would be done soon. Then he would have to complete ASOIaF with he says one other book but the way he keeps adding stuff that might be wrong too.

@@akeelyaqub2538 you are so right! it’s frustrating that Martin is mad that “Hollywood” is taking his stories and making it their own, he did the same thing with Beauty and the Beast (starring Linda Hamilton and Ron Perlman) did he not change the original story?! That’s very hypocritical of him. Also if he was really concerned then he should write the scripts himself. He could even put that as a condition in his contract. GOT season 1 episode 1 was written by him. Later on he became busy with other side projects when he won’t even sit down with the writers. He kept saying he just wants 4 seasons with 10 episodes each (that’s 40 hours) for one book! Lord of the Rings 3 books were 3 movies (2 hours and 58 mins film for Book 1 2 hours and 59 mins film for Book 2 3 hours and 21 mins film for Book 3) and all the time he wants 40 hours for his one book (Fire and Blood)!? OMG Martin really is too much!

@@estheraida5101 not only that but GOT season 1 actually had new scenes not from the books that improved the characters a lot more and added way more to them. George himself even said earlier scenes in earlier seasons made him wish he wrote them into the books. He also said the show did Osha better than he did, as well as Robb and Robert baratheon. So his comment about writers never being able to do better than the source material conflicts with his own statements about game of thrones and its characters.

Yes While that Alicent floating in the lake moment was beautiful and symbolic It wasn’t necessary We already knew by that point that she was consumed by her expected role at court and that she secretly (wink wink) longed to be free like that bird above her. I mean we didn’t need to have that as a way to move the story forward. It was a waste

I feel like they try to add so many scenes to "provide depth" to a character, but it honestly just makes watching the series boring. I don't need to see Alicent fucking Criston Cole ten times to know it's happening, I don't need Daemon tripping balls at Harrenhall for 7 episodes to know it's happening. It's the kind of scene that comes up and your first reaction is "christ, not this again". So much time and effort that could have gone towards other more plot-important scenes, or just filling out scenes that we were completely robbed of (like the Battle of the Burning Mill, which was the first head on conflict during the Dance, and was practically skipped over).

@@politecat9207 The agenda has been very clear from the start of the show : make the viewers feel sympathy for Rhaenyra and Alicent by painting them as mistreated women manipulated by power hungry men. They are completely pushing aside the fact that both are ultra privileged princesses fighting a selfish war of power on the backs of smallfolks...

@@politecat9207 Don't forget this show bringing royal foot fetishes to the silver screen, and the dirty, manipulative men who are turned on by feet. I didn't need that.

@@vee1766 Yep. The fact that all the bloodshed could have been averted had one of these ultra-privileged princesses/Queens - who repeatedly claimed they wanted to avoid war - just abandoned their (family's) perceived right to the Iron Throne. The writers are trying to make them look sympathetic, but instead they just seem inconsistent, selfish and poorly written.

Mushroom’s sick fantasy

@@synthamvs7624 Its a show about incest. Bisexuality is not disgusting like incest

@@user-jz8ow3xv8t I’m talking about westerosi people

@@user-jz8ow3xv8t I’m talking about in their world

@@user-jz8ow3xv8t in westeros it is

because it's the shitty second season((

i also think it was a way to get rid of bastards that could potentially have a claim, maybe to ease Jace’s worries

@@summerwhittaker3638 Alicante and Rehnyra incompetently advance their house agenda. Let's hope these dragon seeds won't become too ambitious.

Look ,e in the eyes and tell me if in the earlier seasons it wasn't starks good , lannisters bad

@@louyou6614 Lannisters was never showing us as incompetent foolish evil bad guys. Tywin still in top 3 of the best characters from the series. P.s. at the end i really hated Starks.

@@louyou6614Tyrion Lannister.

Exactly, if 90% of the fanbase is team black that is a pretty good indication that they don't understand the moral point of the story

@Captain_Insano_nomercy I mean the more evil deeds of tb are yet to come Rhaneyra canon's only becomes cruel after jace death

He's too busy with Elden Ring

Which writing would they follow to the letter in fire and blood? There’s Mushroom’s writing, the maester writer’s other writings, a septon. There’s conflicting stories. The show mostly makes sense, if you consider that fire and blood is written with historical bias and outright probably excludes things that don’t suit the source’s narratives.

Ehhh I thought the Blackfyre rebellion was a much better version of what the dance wants to tell.

Tbr the dance of dragons is a one of george WEAKEST story , it have a lot of issues

come on by definition you cant just straight up adapt fire and blood its made to be incomplete and condradictory. You can say they fucked up but dont act like they had an obvious path to follow

@@aguspuig6615 I'd say they did. Its clear both Rhaenyra and Aegon, just as the Blacks and Greens, had both virtue and sin in equal measure. They could play with the unreliable nature of historical retellings and the moral ambiguity of actions - instead they made one side way too good and the other way too seedy, while using the "unreliable nature of history" to highlight how unjustly maligned Rhaenyra is and how unethical the Greens are. Its an imbalance that misses the point.

The internet is full of psychos

I honestly thought it was a pretty great watch till that third episode.

It's funny cus me and my mom were so excited about it and every sunday (the day it's shown here) we'd be on the edge of out seats waiting for the episode to start. That stopped after 3 episodes.

The slavish praise of this show is so irritating...it's refreshing to hear someone be critical of it.

Agreed, he really became may favorite this season.

@Krit101w The episode 8 leaked and it seems they are keeping the same ending with him(Helaena's vision), which means he will do "the thing" to Rhaenyra🤭

I can sort of understand your point but didn’t Rhaenera end up doing stuff with beala in the book while in the show they made that relationship more motherly which would have made any sexual act really weird. Also I feel it could pay off, for all we know mysera is manipulating rheanera to eventually betray her like in the book. The biggest change is that of the bastards getting dragons which could affect a lot and is very different to what george wrote so we will see how that turns out. Also it shows rheanera still has flaws, she is uncaring of her responsibility to maintain the social norms of the people, she acts irrationally and doesn’t consider the consequences of her actions.

That moment could make sense, as long as its what it is a "moment" its not really a "girl power" thing when you have a tender moment with someone it could jump into a kiss(as long as there is attraction) if they make it a "plotline in the show then yes its forced but a kiss is not a "oh no its woke!" Thing

Rhaenyra kisses Mysaria because Rhaenyra wants to be Daemon and Daemon and Mysaria used to fuck.

​@@amoscollin1751 To answer your question no Rhaenyra had no sexual relationship with another female in the book. At this point it is pointed out the princess had a desire for sweets and cakes more than physical urges apparently

What “girl power” are you referring to though? Or are you just repeating what you here other haters say?

Then the Celtigars should be claiming dragons as well, why doesn’t Rhaenrya get them to ride them. Nothing makes sense here

Because people regularly get burned trying to do that. Dragons are known to eat people (and Valyrians).

2 main reasons. A - Politics: Dragons are a monopoly for House Targaryen used to give them the right to rule. It's why they restrict access to dragons from everyone, even Valyrians like Celtigars and Velaryons (Rhaenys was a special case). It's really important to remember that there are legit 5 generations of Targaryens with only 1 actually making a system and cult around it. If the Arryns or anyone else claimed a dragon without Targaryen permission, the Targaryens would be on their ass in a heartbeat. This is what the show and books are dealing with already. B - In-Universe Understanding of Dragons: Does anyone besides the Targaryens know how to claim and control dragons without dying? No. So why would they try? Especially as everyone in universe believes only Valyrian Dragonlords can do it. We know that one doesn't have to be of Valyrian descent and the dragons died before the hypothesis could be tried out, in-universe characters don't. There is a reason GRRM has the Celtigars, Velaryons, Volantis, Lys, etc - to show the political and magical reasons as to why none of them can't sneak in to Dragonstone ever since the Doom to claim a dragon even though by simple logic, they should be able to just on being Valyrian. Simply making one dragon nomadic isn't breaking the lore. Honestly if GRRM wanted to, he could make this work in universe, especially as he did write about different types of dragons existing. He's just nitpicking, it was never that serious. I hate the decision to cut out Nettles but many fans are mixing up in universe understanding with their own headcanons from a history book that was very shallow in character depth that allowed for insane projection and the main books whose dragon focused character is basically starting from scratch when it comes to training dragons.

it has never been established that non targs can claim a dragon. There are multiple hints in the books that blood magic was involved to bond a dragon with a human. Nettles is also speculated to be a targ bastard. The show is nearly not as bad as the people here making it to be. In future, if they fuck these plotlines cause of their mishaps, then okay. As of now, it's still not that bad yet.

@@PrimeTasteTester30 God is speculated to exist. There's no evidence for it though. There's no evidence that nettles is a dragon seed, therefore unless you're resorting to a faith based argument she is not one. Given the other dragon seeds are all known to be bastards nettles being different suggests she is not one.

He's too fat and rich to write. Only fat broke people care enough to follow through

Exactly, he is the last one to be talking about writing problems

@@shaunsmith7503 That makes no fucking sense, morons.

Modern writers think they are so smart, that they can improve the source material, wich of course they very rarely can.

It worked very well with "The Boys". The show is way way superior to its comic book source material.

The office us is not better than office UK but is its own thing and fantastic in its own right. This show just has shit writers.

And the dialogue is pointless Rhaenyra 3 scenes having the same answers "i can't do nothing, they stole my throne" Corlys with the brothers COULD BE CUT AND YOU MISS NOTHING because they never Talk about the family OR ANYTHING The dragonseeds in the first episodes are kinda pointless because they never show the personalities UNTIL NOW EPISODE 7 or SIX if you want we only meet them as info. In the episode 2 3

Yes, meaningful dialogue is very minimal in this season. Aemond has had like zero good dialogue scenes, his scene with Helaena in the throne room would’ve been a great exchange, but instead the writers opted for flare rather than substance.

Yep, his ego got too large and now he's cheapened his entire works- serves him right, not enough writing, too much fandom adoration.

For all their talk of acceptance and progressivism, they had to pick a hot fit chick for the role

@@synthamvs7624 yeah. The second season is quite disappointing for me.

First warning sign that they had the wrong priorities

They should've learnt from Boardwalk Empire that this can kill the hype for a show. I agree that we needed more to focus more on other characters who are going to be pivotal in the upcoming war. We need to care for these characters otherwise the war has no impact imo. Need to see more of Westeros and the other houses too.

🤓☝🏽 actually that’s maester propaganda and shouldn’t be taken into consideration

@@gobomladikk5197cancerous comment

Apparently the book is "Green propaganda", according to Ryan Condal. Rhaenys' badass death is "green propaganda". Daemon getting all of the Riverlands to kneel with ease is green propaganda. Rhaenyra's triumph over taking KL. Jace being an incredible diplomat and getting two of the largest kingdoms in all of Westeros over to their side. All of these things that make the Blacks look great are all "green propaganda" according to the showrunner.

@@gobomladikk5197 hi Ryan Condal, your show sucks

There’s too much talking but it’s not even high quality dialogue like season 2 of game of thrones it’s very poor writing instead.

@@synthamvs7624 totally agree. The writing isn’t that good for all the talking. And before being able to ride a dragon was for one specific group of people who had the blood to ride them. Even the Dragons are DEI now. It’s so laughable.

agreed. and even with the short time we had this season we should've been getting more development for the other key actors in the upcoming war. some of the episodes were very repetitive in their content meanwhile certain characters hardly had any screen time. very baffling decisions all round

The books themselves were written by Maesters who were Team Green and pro Hightower. George himself said the accounts of the book are unreliable it doesn't take much to figure out the Maesters would water down and whitewash team Green and demonise the opposing side Team Black

They're trying to make Team Black "Dumbledore's Army" of quarky misfits

@@cbeaudry4646 😂😂Good take, I think you might be on to something.

I don't even find it enjoyable. I guess people do, in same as they found season 7 of GoT enjoyable.

​@@aliensconfirmed3498lol this is better than season 7 stop smoking crack