Hello, great video! Have been looking for information on these bayonets and this is just what I needed. Already had a m1865 and only yesterday found me the m1871. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Thank you for your comment and nice words. Having an original 1865 Hirschfänger is really rare. Congratulations! Would you be so kind and tell me about the markings on it? Thanks
No problem. The 1865 is marked with several stamps as follows. 1 S.J.B. No 5.1.74. made by V. Jung Suhl. and marked with G. Also has the imperial crowned W 65 and then also crowned A. Serial number is 1198. Found out this should be the 5th batalion of the 1st regiment Schlesische Jäger, 1st kompagnie Von Neumann. The 1871 I have not found yet, markings are difficult to see. Crowned W 75 and a crowned B. And the regiment is hard to see but i think O 209. J W D, not sure about the number 2, could also be a 3... You can see the 1871 in my latest video about the flea market finds if you would like to see it.
@@KG-Collection Thanks for the marking on your 1865 Hirschfänger. You have the right unit there. 1. S.J.B. No.5 1. 74. is an old style of unit marking for the First schlesische Jäger-Bataillon No. 5, first company weapon number 74. Your 1871 looks nice too. I think it was used by the imperial navy. I W D stands for the "First Werft-Division" or "First naval dockyard" divison in englisch. O. 209 would fit into the navy theory as well, it stands for the "Marinestation der Ostsee, weapons no 209" or "navy station of the eastsea, weapon no 209". One day i will make a video about the weapons and bayonet of the prussian and imperial navy and the Jägerbüchse and Hirschfänger 1871 played a big role for the navy. Nice video by the way. Cheers, Vincent
@@imperialgermanbayonets9244 Thanks so much, you just saved me hours of research trying to find out these markings. You earned yourself a subscriber :) Love the channel, exactly what I needed. I collect ww1, not specifically bayonets, but I do have a lot of them. Maybe there's some other ones that might be interesting. Maybe I'll try to make a video to show them, that's if I can find the time. Thanks again!
Up to the 1840s in Germany, perhaps also Austria the not regulated civilian Hirschfänger had been allowed only to noblemen, professional hunters and forrest officals. In the 1840s, perhaps a result to the 1848 revolution attempt, Hirschfänger where allowed to everyone, and forrest officals got regulated models. Very high officials in Forrest ministy also got a kind of smallsword/ Degen for ceremonies. To the navy use: When i remember a long ago readen article in a german arms magazine ( DWJ) right, the Cutlass/ Entermesser was no more used after 1871 , because this rather long bayonnets could be used as cutlass substitute, but oft course, i don' t know, if this is true. The only weapons, missing in your collection seem to be boarding axes and pikes, cavallry lances with wood or steel tube pole and the polearms of palace units.
Thank you for the insights on the Hirschfänger. I dont collect the non-military Hirschfänger but they are very interesting. I would love to get my hands on an original prussian issued boarding pike or axe but they are very rare and i have never seen one for sale. Cheers, Vincent.
Hello, thank you for your question. Yes i do have a prussian 1809 bayonet to go along with my 1809/12 musket. Its my only socket bayonet and i will make a video about it but this will take a while. If you want you can also send me a mail with pictures and i see if i can get you some information about your bayonet. Mail is in the description. With kind regards Vincent.
Great video! I have seen one that looks just like this, but the blade had no quillback. Were there any variants of this bayonet that came without quillback. I've seen two of these. One in an antique store and one listing online. Neither had any noticeable marks except for the makers mark, which was W. K. & C. on one and Alex Coppel on the other. The online listing described it as a "Dreyse 1865 hirschfanger prototype bayonet", but I'm unsure of the reliability of that.
Thank you for your comment. I have seen the one bayonet online for sale. But i have doubts that this bayonet was ever involved in the prussian 1865 Hirschfänger trials. These are pretty good documented and there were only two blades tested in 1862, this 1871 blade was not one of them. For me this is either an export bayonet for a diffrent state or the handle and blade dont belong together at all. But thats just my thougths on this. Cheers, Vincent
