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Germany's Gamble: Why the Ostpolitik Putin Policy Backfired 

William Spaniel
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After Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014, Germany continued to follow an "ostpolitik" policy to increase economic integration with Russia. The theory was that doing so would give Russia a vested stake in European stability, which in turn would deter Putin from continuing adventurous foreign policies. Why did this strategy fail? Today's video explores why it was not crazy on the surface but that economic interdependence is more complex than it first appears. Also: sausage, borscht, and Zelensky goes to a McDonald's.
0:00 Germany's Ostpolitik Policy
3:33 Economic Interdependence Theory
4:57 Why Trade Reduces Conflict
7:35 Interdependence Is a Two-Way Street
8:44 Who Gains More Coercive Power?
11:55 Peace Premiums and Trade
13:50 Zelensky Goes to McDonald's
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@allenaxp6259
@allenaxp6259 10 месяцев назад
The failure of the "Ostpolitik" strategy shows that economic interdependence is not a foolproof way to deter aggressive foreign policies. There are a number of other factors that can also influence a country's decision-making, such as its leaders' ideology, its domestic political situation, and its perception of its security environment.
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 10 месяцев назад
Nothing in politics is fool prove. You ate basically dealing with probabilities. You can make smt less slikelie but not impossible
@nicholasconder4703
@nicholasconder4703 10 месяцев назад
Sadly, for a psychopath, economic interdependence means that they have another method to manipulate you and use you as a pawn. That said, I don't think any of the western leaders realized that they were dealing with a murderous psychopath. Only the former Warsaw Pact nations saw this, but no one listened to them because the Western politicians desired peace and trade, and were used to dealing with people who are sane, not an imperialistic expansionistic madman. Merkel and all the other western European politicians put blinders on because they didn't want a war. It is the same mistake, in a slightly different form, that Chamberlain made in 1938.
@embreis2257
@embreis2257 10 месяцев назад
foolproof? nothing in politics is ever foolproof. this concept or _economic interdependence_ has an overwhelmingly positive track record. just look at the EU and its predecessors or other similar entities (less formalised and tight as they may be), even the World Trade Organisation believes trade makes the world safer, more prosperous and more peaceful. Putin's ruzzia proves one thing: if a government is run by criminal mobsters who think more in delusions, overblown egos and couldn't be bothered to take into account the needs and interests of their population, then they might act/react irrationally/foolish/take risks. that's what we see in the Ukraine war
@cxzact9204
@cxzact9204 10 месяцев назад
Oh come on, certainly you see the value in reducing another country's potential leverage over your economy. Especially a proven adversary. This plan was never going to work, it was stupid form the start. Extract your own damn gas and regulate it properly, instead of feigning environmental concern and shifting the extraction to an unregulated autocratic country with not so muhc as an EPA in sight to deal with and just wash your hands of any damage. This was a brain dead move on Merkel's part.
@thevoxdeus
@thevoxdeus 10 месяцев назад
In an interdependent relationship, the leverage belongs to the least dependent partner. In this case, Russia had many options to sell energy, while Germany deliberately crippled its options to obtain energy elsewhere. They were shutting diwn nuclear plants, shutting down coal plants, refused to create LNG infrastructure, etc.
@NothingIsKnown00
@NothingIsKnown00 10 месяцев назад
The lesson is, if you’re going to chicken race, make sure the other guy actually doesn’t want to crash.
@GoneZombie
@GoneZombie 10 месяцев назад
William: *lines on unidimensional policy space* Trinity: "What's happening?" Morpheus: "He's beginning to believe."
@AnarchoAmericium
@AnarchoAmericium 10 месяцев назад
Thats just fancy math speak for lines on lines.
@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp
@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp 6 месяцев назад
He is actually using his language skills to make it look like he has done his research. Fact is - what he presents is as far away from facts and the truth.
@frog8220
@frog8220 4 месяца назад
@@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp as far away AS what? You are from being a person?
@cmajaa1
@cmajaa1 10 месяцев назад
The problem with interdependence between Germany and Russia is that Russia has no fear of Germany and felt it always had the intimidation advantage. This latest situation really shows how much Germany has been pacified since WW2.
@1Korlash
@1Korlash 10 месяцев назад
You mean since the fall of the USSR. West and East Germany both had massive militaries for their sizes. The aggressive demilitarization only began after 1991.
@michaelgideon8944
@michaelgideon8944 10 месяцев назад
Angela Merkel's father was likely a Stasi asset and she speaks fluent Russian. You do the math. You can take the DDR off the map but not the DDR out of the chancellor. Is it any surprise that Germany under the CDU became dependent on Russian gas.
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
Don't downplay the fact that Angela Merkel was a member of the East German Communist Youth League. Know that, and suddenly her actions enslaving Germany to Russia makes perfect sense.
@johnbaker5565
@johnbaker5565 10 месяцев назад
Not pacified, freeloading. Obama wanted Germany to pay the agreed 2% membership fee. Trump also tried. Merkel's response was "Do you really want Germany to spend 2% of its giant economy on defence, be careful of what you wish for" The global trade the Germany benefitted from was due to US Naval Power ensuring sea lanes remain navigable. Some understood (The countries that actually paid 2%) Germany just got richer, sold out Ukraine for cheap unlimited gas. Poland believes Germany still owes them for the Nazi invasion. They have a point. Ruined by Nazi Germany, occupied by Soviet Union until emerging as a very poor backward country next to Europe's most wealthy. Of all the European nations, Germany came out looking the most likely to support Russia. (Hungary also) and only the shock of being banned from Ukraine and excluded from Ramstein meetings, did Germany 180.Poland still wants compensating for all the money it spends on defence. Does Germany owe Poland $1 Tril;lion?
@mattblom3990
@mattblom3990 10 месяцев назад
Typified by Putin having guard dogs meet Merkel who was deathly afraid of them.
@Alucitary
@Alucitary 10 месяцев назад
I think a further miscalculation on Russia's part in gambling that the west wouldn't care enough about Ukraine to support them long term is that the West realized this invasion would be used by China as a blueprint for a potential invasion of Taiwan. By supporting Ukraine the West is also further deterring China's prospects and delaying them as their window of opportunity continues to close as their military age population dwindles. Every dollar we spend in supporting Ukraine is theoretically going twice as far by addressing 2 wars at once, one real and one theoretical.
@sstff6771
@sstff6771 10 месяцев назад
Well said
@Fuck_Snowflakes
@Fuck_Snowflakes 10 месяцев назад
Also the fact western troops are not directly involved. Less than 3% of America's yearly defense budget and is making russia look like a paper tiger.
@Nikita-ey9ks
@Nikita-ey9ks 10 месяцев назад
That said, West isn't giving enough and is actually showing Russia and China that they CAN get away with that to some degree, I wish that was talked about more
@AndreLuis-gw5ox
@AndreLuis-gw5ox 10 месяцев назад
​@@Nikita-ey9ksthe sad part of it all is that current effort is already enough. China already got the message that it cant get Taiwan for free, and its simply impossible for Russia to achieve the total victory it hoped for. Even if the conflict ends with a partial russian victory, like keeping the territories it occupies, it will have to deal with the economic and diplomatic fallout, the distrust of the west, and having to watch Ukraine join NATO or become guaranteed by the coalition anyway. The message of "the costs of war will outweight its benefits" its already crystal clear to china now, regardless of how the ukrainian war ends
@jimmysparks315
@jimmysparks315 10 месяцев назад
Alucitary .. What a crock...no mention of the US backed coup in Ukraine in 2014 & what it has led to... no mention of all the US wars waged around the world.... no mention of the 8 long years Ukraine bombed & shelled the Donbass... no mention of every single peace plan that Russia & Ukraine agreed to but then Ukraine walked away from...... no..... nothing.....
@cpt_nordbart
@cpt_nordbart 10 месяцев назад
As a german myself. We were a bit lucky with the fairly mild winter 2022 and we had no real option for importing gas somewhere else. It was a genuine dependency here. As always it's a lot of bureaucracy before anything get done here so explodimg Nordstream definitely put us under stress for immediate action. The Leopard question was also a great example of this slow progression. Frankly Germany did have a bad look in this conflict.
@LoganChristianson
@LoganChristianson 10 месяцев назад
How is Germany looking for winter 2023? William made mention of the construction of new importways being built.
@josejulioramos5546
@josejulioramos5546 10 месяцев назад
Os Leopoldo não furam da Alemanha todos pois tem países na Europa como eu sou português furam 17 Leopoldo para Rússia e de outros países que tinha a Alemanha só deu o aval aí envio porque são na Alemanha fábrica
@anno-fw7xn
@anno-fw7xn 10 месяцев назад
We wer even more lucky cdu is not in power people dont get how fuck we are thank to tham1
@Vatnik_tschistilka
@Vatnik_tschistilka 10 месяцев назад
I could also imagine that to be the reason for Russia's meddling in the Zahel. Italy is importing a lot of gas from Algeria and there was the idea to add a pipeline going from Algeria through the Zahel region to Nigeria, so that Nigerian gas could get sold to Italy through the mediteranean. By having militery regimes block the Zahel Nigerian gas doesn't go to Europe the same way as the Assad regime keeps Qatari gas from reaching Europe.
@thevoxdeus
@thevoxdeus 10 месяцев назад
The bad look is less in what Germany did in 2022 than what it did (or didn't) do after 2014. Whatever the theoretical dangers of Russia were in 2008, they could be dismissed as "cold war" thinking or anti-Russian bias. By 2014, it was clear that Russia would not respect borders, especially Ukraine's, and that Germany was making itself dangerously dependent on Russian energy. The threat was no longer theoretical.
@jakeaurod
@jakeaurod 10 месяцев назад
That economic interdependence analogy was the wurst!
@dittikke
@dittikke 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, complete borshtshit.
@TKUA11
@TKUA11 10 месяцев назад
It is. Especially since borscht is a Ukrainian dish
@dittikke
@dittikke 10 месяцев назад
@@TKUA11 Well played.
@awesomehpt8938
@awesomehpt8938 10 месяцев назад
There’s only so much you can do to deter a genocidal monster from starting a stupid war if they’re determined to wage it no matter the consequences. Neville chamberlain found that out the hard way.
@colonelb
@colonelb 10 месяцев назад
YES! Thank you for being smart! Not enough folks know how "Peace in our time" aged like milk.
@Vilamus
@Vilamus 10 месяцев назад
Thre is an argument that Chamberlain's appeasement bought the British Empire more time to rearm for the enevitable conflict. If that was the true goal, then appeasement worked perfectly.
@KLT47B
@KLT47B 10 месяцев назад
Germany only looked into how they can produce luxury sedans for oligarchs as cheaply as possible. Let's all call it as it is. After all, Mercedes Benz has its own gas power plant in Sindelfingen where they produce the S-class. And they are very proud of it.
@LordDaret
@LordDaret 10 месяцев назад
@@Vilamusactually not quite. It would have been better for the UK to fight in 1938 than 1941 since the Allies’ would have fortress Czech to rely on.
@Colon-D...
@Colon-D... 10 месяцев назад
@@Vilamus That was the intention, but, it's a one sided idea. Germany was not idle as Britain rearmed. I'd say, economic buildup while your enemy is building up territories, their industry (using stolen goods from the annexed territories) Your enemy already conscripting, your enemy planning every last bit of the war. Germany used to time much better than Britain ever did.
@fototransist
@fototransist 10 месяцев назад
A side note: borscht is a Ukrainian dish. Thanks for the video.
@13BulliTs
@13BulliTs 10 месяцев назад
lol, I was thinking exactly the same, even a political animal as William makes mistakes.
@Taletad
@Taletad 10 месяцев назад
To be fair he just talked about russia exporting it Technically the Netherlands could be selling german sausages to Russia Or Germany selling italian pizzas, it would be the same result
@njswampfox474
@njswampfox474 10 месяцев назад
Also Polish.
@GeorgeSemel
@GeorgeSemel 10 месяцев назад
I like Borscht, then again I also like Mexican too.
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 10 месяцев назад
I thik Professor Spaniel is being a little sneaky and fishing for this comment. He is a game theorist after all.
@Jonathan_Strange
@Jonathan_Strange 10 месяцев назад
_"Though sadly, Germany and Russia do not share a border, and the last time that they did, things did not go so well anyway..."_ 🤣 Well spoken Mr. Spaniel.
@giselapfeifer4666
@giselapfeifer4666 9 месяцев назад
The EU and Russia share a border! Russia is our neighbour and not our enemy!! (But the US is surely the enemy of Russia and the EU, causing so much political and economic trouble). This will however eventually backlash at America..
@VenomSnakee
@VenomSnakee 10 месяцев назад
I think the biggest problem is trying economic interdependence on goods such as gas. Russia feeling that they could just freeze out Europe was definitely a factor in them deciding on both the invasion in 2014 and now
@davidcritchley3509
@davidcritchley3509 10 месяцев назад
CORRECTION - no "invasion" by Russia in 2014. See my post above. Stop believing in fairy tales!
@SolidAvenger1290
@SolidAvenger1290 10 месяцев назад
@r3ythm just like the Austrians after the Napoleonic era, the Austro-Hungarian Empire's fate was tied to the Russians' ability to ensure they had enough support to maintain domestic, economic cohesion & international prestige to be relevant. After the First Crimean War broke out, with Russia being aggressive against the Ottomans, the Austrians had to decide who to align with. After briefly joining the UK-French alliance out of necessity because Russia violated their territory, the Russians never forgave the Austrians for that betrayal, thus leading to the events of World War 1 60+ years later. (amid one of the greater consequences during the 1853 Crimean War) I feel Germany is now stuck between a rock and a hard place because you have one side(s) that is worried they will repeat the rearmament/militaristic nature from both World Wars while the other side(s) too worried they have gotten too far in bed with Putin's economic & domestic grip on Germany that it would repeat what happened to their German cousins during the 19th century. Right now in 2023, Germany resembles more of the Weimar Republic during the inter-war period. The Russians did provide the manpower and logistics to the Austrians during many conflicts against their rivals while indirectly spreading more of their nationalist ideals in Eastern Europe (the Austrians didn't want to piss off their only ally remaining in the East, who did keep the Ottomans at bay).
@barnabusdoyle4930
@barnabusdoyle4930 10 месяцев назад
The problem is that the west is barely 25% of the world’s population. With the US’s interference in Ukrainian politics leading to the pro-western revolution and leadership installed in Ukraine, the world doesn’t see Russia as the bad guy but they see NATO as the villain. The US has been using sanctions and military might against countries across the world for far too long. When the west threw sanctions on Russia, the rest of the world did not support those sanctions making those sanctions generally ineffective. The sanctions after Crimea gave Russia a blueprint on future sanctions and they focused on building a sanction immune economy. This is why Russia is doing rather well while the west is hurting because of their own sanctions. The rest of the world also see a way to beat US sanctions and are going to want in on the methods, thus we are going to have the globe unite against the west, thanks to our proxy war in Ukraine.
@paulgibbon5991
@paulgibbon5991 10 месяцев назад
@@barnabusdoyle4930 Botski reported, may you soon be drafted.
@jgw9990
@jgw9990 10 месяцев назад
​@barnabusdoyle4930 The population % of the rest for world is going to start going down now that Russia has ended the grain deal. How long will people support Russia when they are starving because of it?
@joaovitormatos8147
@joaovitormatos8147 10 месяцев назад
I honestly think, long term, Merkel will be remembered in the same way as Chamberlain
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 10 месяцев назад
Her legacy most likely will be that she wasted a lot of opportunities she vould have taken.
@sparks1792
@sparks1792 10 месяцев назад
Yep her arrogance cause that
@ericgrace9995
@ericgrace9995 10 месяцев назад
Not so long ago, she was Barak Obama's favourite foreign leader and was Times Magazine's person of the year. Mind you, Hitler was once Time Magazine's person of the year.
@ericgrace9995
@ericgrace9995 10 месяцев назад
​@@sparks1792I think naivety combined with arrogance,
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 10 месяцев назад
@@sparks1792 yeah no. Fiscal conservatism was and is a big problem.
@Gnoccy
@Gnoccy 10 месяцев назад
I think there's also the cultural aspect to consider. This doesn't apply so well after 2014, but I think a lot of Germans wanted to give Russia the same opportunity that we were given after WWII (and to some extend also with the integration of East Germany, though that didn't go so cleanly): To become a part of the Western world and prosper economically and peacefully. Seems like Russia wasn't ready for that.
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 10 месяцев назад
Yep. Also coal and steal union basically is the historic parralel
@cliffarroyo9554
@cliffarroyo9554 10 месяцев назад
It wasn't the worst plan... but they had no plan B in case it didn't work out... that's what was so incredibly stupid about Germany's russian plans...
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 10 месяцев назад
@@cliffarroyo9554 this is somewhat I kinda agree with. Lng terminals would have been a good investment. But fiscal conservatism.....
@Tastypieinyourmouth
@Tastypieinyourmouth 10 месяцев назад
@@cliffarroyo9554 That's not exactly true. If Germany didn't have a plan B, they would have gotten into real trouble last winter. But they didn't. Because in the end, Russian gas was not as important to Germany as many people make it seem.
@thomasstein6350
@thomasstein6350 10 месяцев назад
poppycock!
@Itried20takennames
@Itried20takennames 10 месяцев назад
I think the idea of “trade dependency = peace” works fairly well for democracies, but not dictatorships. Dictatorships have little to no checks and balances, and the people in dictatorships aren’t “citizens to be served,” but pawns to be used by the dictator, with the countries main goal being to serve the dictator’s ego. A dictator won’t care that their decisions will cause hardships for their own citizens or others, and they are used to silencing and repressing any overt complaints by threat, censorship and propaganda.
@dimirockeropoulos6104
@dimirockeropoulos6104 10 месяцев назад
You don't think the EU isn't tyrannical? Those in Greece would disagree.
@Itried20takennames
@Itried20takennames 10 месяцев назад
@@dimirockeropoulos6104 I would definitely disagree that the EU is “tyrannical,” even in Greece, and that this is kind of insulting to those living under true tyrannical governments, like an severely obese person, denied a third dessert after dinner, declaring that they are being starved. Real tyrannical dictatorships, like China, Russia or N. Korea, will arrest and imprison you if your kid draws a picture in school disagreeing with a war the government wants, or if you make a joke about the military, or speak out against corruption, etc. they tell you the exact number of kids to have (and brutally enforce this), have torture, will suppress and censor all independent media, etc. In a real tyranny, an online comment critical of the government, like calling them tyrannical, would cause secret police to come to your house within a few days, and you wouldn’t be seen again. Many in Greece are now burdened due to years of financial mismanagement by their government, which is unfair to those citizens, but being asked to pay taxes, live within your means or stick to a few rules so things function is part of any country and being an adult, NOT tyranny.
@mikesmovingimages
@mikesmovingimages 9 месяцев назад
@@dimirockeropoulos6104 Apples and oranges. All countries in the EU joined of their own free will. UK left of its own free will. Ukraine wants to join, as do a host of other countries. Strange, a tyranny that people can join or leave on their own. Not that the EU doesn't have BIG problems, but to equate it as a tyranny in the same vein as Russia or China is simply silly and reveals a weak intellect.
@isonlyjaff
@isonlyjaff 9 месяцев назад
what democracy??? please explaine!
@newhamoksha1
@newhamoksha1 9 месяцев назад
Well said.
@electricink3908
@electricink3908 10 месяцев назад
In Poland we tend to see close German Russian ties as an existential threat.
@OmmerSyssel
@OmmerSyssel 10 месяцев назад
My impression of Polacks are they feel threatened by any chance, and act accordingly aggressive! Rather unreliable and just as egotistic as they blame everyone else ... 🙈🤷🏼
@pmflov
@pmflov 10 месяцев назад
That’s why Poland bought Russian reimported gas from Germany (which bought larger quantities for all at cheaper prices, so smaller countries wouldn’t suffer so much extortion from Russia) and coal directly to Russia until the Ukraine war happened. Wake up, every country wants cheap resources. And Russia historically was a stable partner, who never stopped supplying NG and oil, even in the Cold War period. But peacetime is different from wartime. And Germany left NS2 immediately after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which was the right decision. What I am trying to say: stop blaming Germany and look to your PiS politics and how also they were meddling with the Russians.
@j.df0
@j.df0 10 месяцев назад
I think Poland and Ukraine need to make an alliance so that russian and germany would feel excistential crisis
@speggeri90
@speggeri90 10 месяцев назад
​@@zdf4308I'm glad to see such levelheaded outlooks on entire nations. What a tool you are.
@AnarchoAmericium
@AnarchoAmericium 10 месяцев назад
In EU, close Polish-Hungarian ties is an existential threat.
@drfelren
@drfelren 10 месяцев назад
The problem with this argument and with so many other theories in IR, is that it assumes both sides are logical actors.
@drfelren
@drfelren 10 месяцев назад
@@fwiffo Sure, but it is something that should be worth mentioning whenever irrational discissions are made. The problem with the theory component of IR, is that it assumes a "perfect world" or "logical actor" scenario. Reality is quite different and this should ideally be reinforced more often in theory, to more accurately explain and predict discission making.
@issadraco532
@issadraco532 10 месяцев назад
these are the same dumb leftists that claim that you don't need school resource officers and that putting a "gun free zone" sign stops school shootings. yes, and the jihadist isn't gonna target white local christians and blow himself up inside your airport on christmas day because "oh noes, zis means that zee poor persecuted refugee will himself be hurt and get zee big ow ow ouchy boo boo while carrying out zee multicultural enrichment, who would be crazy enough to do such a thing?!? we donut need zee funding for the military and zee war on terror, we just need zee hugs and love and more funding for the illegals because people are zee same everywhere and just want to live in peace" right.. there definitely aren't evil people that would love nothing more than to slaughter westerners and take what we have by force if they could get away with it. and i guess the bloodthirsty dictator that would mobilize and sacrifice his people by the millions also gives a shit about the sanctions bringing his people back to the stone age. leftist logic.
@pas.
@pas. 10 месяцев назад
An irrational actor can be modeled as a rational one with very extreme utility curves. Of course this means it's not enough to "just" look at market information to accurately estimate perceived costs of conflicts.
@drfelren
@drfelren 10 месяцев назад
@@pas. Yes, true. Like most things rationality is not black or white, but rather, has a standard deviation curve.
@Ohnothisisbad
@Ohnothisisbad 10 месяцев назад
Rational actors isn't the issue. Russia is acting rational according to it's values. The issue is information sets. These theories presuppose both side agree on the facts. If they don't, miscalculations are made. Russia thought Europe was weaker than it was. Russia had a distorted perception of Ukraine. Russias information was wrong. They weren't necessarily acting irrationally. You can't model irrationality. Formally, the issue is the respective information sets in use by different sides don't correspond to reality or differ between both sides. By the way, I'm not nitpicking. I'm an econ PhD candidate who has studied game theory.
@Holammer
@Holammer 10 месяцев назад
Several American administrations and think tanks warned Germany and Europe about growing dependent on Russian energy and how it could be used politically. I'm honestly surprised they don't bring it up and rub it every chance they get. Like a 'Remember When...' from Family Guy.
@OmmerSyssel
@OmmerSyssel 10 месяцев назад
Germans has a weird loyalty to their leaders, even huge failures are ignored. They are manic nitpickers by any ridiculously minor daily issue, and mercilessly haunting each other in daily life and work, while gigantic fuck ups by their arrogant leaders are silently accepted. A truely weird people! 🤪🤷🏼
@johnbarrett915
@johnbarrett915 10 месяцев назад
@@OmmerSyssel You do know Germany perused the same policy goals as the US, don't you?
@paulgibbon5991
@paulgibbon5991 10 месяцев назад
One of the major US political parties is riddled with open Putinpuppets. Don't throw stones just yet.
@ChrischenL
@ChrischenL 10 месяцев назад
The “Ostpolitik” is the exact same policy and problem, the whole west has with China. Just that the US has different economical incentives in the former (cheap gas was good for Europe but prevented American imports - with a misjudged risk as we know now). So throwing stones in a glass house isn’t really helpful.
@ramos_pinho117
@ramos_pinho117 9 месяцев назад
Americans allies were ilegal spying on E.U leadership and citizens.
@Jazzisa311
@Jazzisa311 10 месяцев назад
Lesson should be: don't become dependent on nations that have proven again and again to be untrustworthy. Us Europeans countries are too small to not be completely independent, but we should try to at least limit our dependency to each other as much as possible.
@uckthis8079
@uckthis8079 10 месяцев назад
You talking about russia or about limiting dependency between EU nations?
@staticfanatic
@staticfanatic 10 месяцев назад
i love the humour william puts into these. it turns watching them from doable to a pleasure.
@peterheinzo515
@peterheinzo515 10 месяцев назад
he is slowly becoming a slightly more political perun.
@murdo_mck
@murdo_mck 10 месяцев назад
They are funnier than the average RU-vid AI.
@dannydetonator
@dannydetonator 10 месяцев назад
Posh british humor can't be beaten in subtilty... I laughed hard upon seeing Prigozhin! (fitting exclamation mark) on "The weakest link" contestant stand..
@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp
@BernhardSchwarz-xs8kp 6 месяцев назад
Humor is good dishonesty is not
@javierpatag3609
@javierpatag3609 10 месяцев назад
As an example of how long ago Kant’s work was, it was from when Kaliningrad was still known as Konigsberg.
@PaweljongProductions
@PaweljongProductions 10 месяцев назад
"Ostpolitik" vol. 2 didn't go as planned due to a fundamental misunderstanding of the Merkel government about that policy. Ostpolitik was not just "soft" trade policy and "Handel durch Wandel". It required a massive military deterrence that at the time of Willy Brandt was backed up by substantial (international) troop numbers standing on German soil. It was an offer to the GDR and SU in kindness, not weakness. It very well might have prevented the cold war from turning hot in central Europe. Brandt did not expect the SU to change just by trading with them, and for his government the influence he could have on GDR (let alone SU) policies was limited. The highly ideological approach by the Merkel government expected some kind of free market magic to happen in Russia which they still confused with the SU. They (to be frank: we all) did not listen to the complaints and fears of Eastern European countries. The most important blunder was the incompentence of the European governments to show their willingness to go all the way to fuck-you-town over the sovereignty of Ukraine. Putin thought the West was too weak for a monolithic response - of course, that's also one of the many mistakes on his side. But our determination was way too subtle for the Russian system to be heard.
@alesh2275
@alesh2275 10 месяцев назад
Agree: We need to put blame where blame is due, and it’s with Germany, specifically on Angela Merkel and Gerhard Schröder … It’s difficult to forget the German Navy Chief who said in India (in front of a camera) that Ukraine will not get Crimea back …
@bloggalot4718
@bloggalot4718 10 месяцев назад
I’m sure Ukraine will do their utmost to prove them wrong.
@samsungtap4183
@samsungtap4183 10 месяцев назад
Do you think Russia would except handing over Sevastopol naval base to Britain. For 300yrs Britain has lusted over this base....someone will wear a atom bomb before that happens
@ivanr4300
@ivanr4300 10 месяцев назад
They Can try, but they won’t Russia Is winning this war my boy
@user-ux9kz7ff7u
@user-ux9kz7ff7u 9 месяцев назад
Меркель и Шредеру до самой смерти будут сниться черти,которые их взбаламутили против России.А черти,это Украина, Америка,НАТО,Великобритания и друг к Западные страны, а также продажная Прибалтика.А за Польшу я уже молчу,это страна, самая настоящая гиена. Вот Германия бойся теперь Польшу.Она из вас вытрясит всю душу якобы за анекцию во время Великой мировой войне.
@NachttiSchlampE65
@NachttiSchlampE65 9 месяцев назад
I guess you are believing in Santa Clause and Astrology as well then if those 2 are main figures to blame for you
@tomhermens7698
@tomhermens7698 10 месяцев назад
She is East German, he lived as kgb in East Germany.
@whatsgoingon71
@whatsgoingon71 10 месяцев назад
Where they met and had a secret son, Yevgeny. He later became a famous chef. 🤣🤣🤣
@tomcotter8138
@tomcotter8138 10 месяцев назад
As some German once said, "We get old too soon & smart too late."
@davidlloyd1526
@davidlloyd1526 10 месяцев назад
It's important to point out that EU was treating Russia well. All of their NATO expansion/West hates us rhetoric is garbage.
@uninstaller2860
@uninstaller2860 10 месяцев назад
Yeah the EU and Obama was pretty spineless
@OmmerSyssel
@OmmerSyssel 10 месяцев назад
​@@uninstaller2860why are you labelling peaceful relations and trade like that? Pootin rather declared US as enemy/hostile than Europe, just as US influence on NATO are difficult to ignore...
@ettoreatalan8303
@ettoreatalan8303 10 месяцев назад
Doing business with someone who hates you is always a very bad idea.
@ingopaul67
@ingopaul67 10 месяцев назад
For Europe to be total dependent on Russian gas was just plain stupid, it gave Russia the leverage not Europe.
@Arcaryon
@Arcaryon 10 месяцев назад
It was not a choice but a reaction to the high prices of the USA and the chaos in the middle east ( gas is not only energy but also an industrial component ) as well as the high expenses of new nuclear power plants as well as the lower but still relatively high prices of renewables. Germany played for time, with Russian gas filling a gap. People forget how high the cost of the integration of the GDR was, not even mention additional internal German issues. Edit: to people claiming that she was against renewables, she wasn’t. She just didn’t want to support the industry as much as people would have preferred because again, Russia was seen as a viable alternative and her political base was not rooted on this kind of technology.
@OmmerSyssel
@OmmerSyssel 10 месяцев назад
Naive German decision making isn't European responsibility! Are you perhaps from USA with that superficial standpoint? We are independent countries with each our interests and priorities!
@OmmerSyssel
@OmmerSyssel 10 месяцев назад
​@@ArcaryonTypical short sighted explanation. Merkel ignored switching to renewable energy resources. Some 130000 workplaces within renewable energy were ruined by her decisions, while several other European countries developed this sector. Greed and stubbornness has consequences, especially along with her impulsive and irrational decision-making.
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
@@OmmerSyssel Yeah, a continent that waged near-constant war until the US came in and kept the peace for 80 years. As soon as the US looks to Asia, you guys manage to find yourselves in another land war. It just so happens that the Ukrainians are the ones dying for you instead of your own citizens.
@Arcaryon
@Arcaryon 10 месяцев назад
@@OmmerSyssel Does the CDU have a lot of support with the renewable energy sector? Unless your answer differs from the one commonly stated, she had only so many options. She was not irrational or impulsive but rather quite calculating and ruthless in her struggle to keep power. And considering her own career path and the success the CDU enjoyed under her leadership, she was highly successful. You seem to mistake my comment for a defense or even a voice of support - it's simply an explanation.
@fluffskunk
@fluffskunk 10 месяцев назад
"Making ourselves dependent on Russia will give us leverage over them." - galaxy-brain Merkel
@hofimastah
@hofimastah 10 месяцев назад
Exactly! Does it make sense that the leader of Germany is so stupid? It doesn't! Because she wasn't stupid at all, she didn't need any leverage. Germany needed cheap gas and didn't care what is going to happen to Ukraine. What they didn't predict is that Ukrainie will fight, will get help from the free world and that Germany will receive massive international pressure to stop trading with Russia and help Ukraine.
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
@@hofimastah There is actually a better reason to explain her actions. She was a member of the East German Communist Youth League. Once you become aware of that, suddenly her actions to enslave Germany financially to Russia makes a lot more sense.
@dittikke
@dittikke 10 месяцев назад
@@davidford3115 That's a bit of a stretch. Most East German young people (around 75%) were in the FDJ, most didn't join out of political conviction but because all their friends did, and it wasn't really that optional anyway. Admittedly she was an active loyal member, but she'd have been that whatever organisation she was in. As chancellor, Merkel continued the politics that Gerhard Schröder began before her. The main arbiters of NS2 were mostly West Germans in Schröder's Social Democrat party. Merkel took a rather passive role as Chancellor, especially at the beginning, and in NS2 until the completion ceremony with Medvedev. Was she complicit? Of course. But it wasn't her project, the fact of her being in the FDJ didn't play much of a role - any other Federal Chancellor would probably have done the same.
@dittikke
@dittikke 10 месяцев назад
​@@hofimastah Merkel didn't start all this, but she continued it. Stupid? Rule number 1 in business, diversify. Spread your risk. Always have a Plan B because whatever you think, you never know. They didn't do that. So there's your answer to that. I think the German politicians did care though, it looked like an awful lot of egg on their faces when Putin invaded Ukraine. They had to admit that they'd been all wrong about Putin - publicly! So humiliating. Unfortunately, Putin wasn't wrong about them, he knew they were grubby little opportunists. Anyway, most of them probably won't have much of a political career after all this. Especially the ones that were parroting Putin propaganda until well into the war. Ukraine means absolutely nothing to these people. Problem is, Putin has been conducting an information war on Germany since the early 2000s and ramped it right up around 2014. On many varied channels. Far right and far left for the protesters, political middle with lush deals and probably also a bit of blackmail here and there. People overestimate Merkel's role in all this, even if this happened under her aegis, she wasn't the main driving force behind it, that was still Schröder.
@aaronleverton4221
@aaronleverton4221 10 месяцев назад
"Making Russia dependent on our market will give us leverage over them." - Merkel's response. Merkel's expanded response: "While the EU is making Russia dependent on our market, we will allow Putin to think he is making us dependent on his product, which will embolden him and, as he grows bolder, encourage him to neglect diversifying his customer base, making him ever stronger in his own estimation of his power over us and ever more dependent upon us. Conversely, as his estimation of his power over us grows, in reality our power as his largest customer quietly grows, unnoticed and unheeded. Other sources of energy and energy transport exist, but how many other pipelines exist?"
@captainmcawesome7908
@captainmcawesome7908 10 месяцев назад
0:38 it is true that the average russian (even the ones who are anti-war and now cry about russophobia) celebrated the rat-like behaviour that got russia to gain control over crimea.
@user-ll7qz1bb3v
@user-ll7qz1bb3v 10 месяцев назад
You must think the people in Crimea dont want to be with Russia, you probably think the referendum was bs, have you ever even been to Eastern Europe? Crimea is Russia, it always will be, there is no scenario where Russia allows nato to take control of it via Ukraine, they will turn Ukraine into a radioactive pit before they allow it to become a western bullwark, personally I think this is all theatre and ive known it was coming for 20 years, I always thought it was fake until I saw the borders overrun by "refugees" more like economic refugees mainly criminals the dreggs, the reason for this is the Illuminati have had a plan for a very long time to empty out the southern hemisphere of undesirables and then nuke the northern hemisphere to bring in the NWO. You think wow thats crazy but you fail to understand world leaders and what they believe, they all belong to the mystery religion from ancient times, and their beliefs are crazy they think this world isnt even real, its a construct a simulation, so why not blow up half of it in a quest to set us all free from said construct.
@uis246
@uis246 10 месяцев назад
Source?
@forgottenfamily
@forgottenfamily 10 месяцев назад
One aspect that is badly underappreciated is the presumption that rational actors behave rationally but with authoritarians, it adds an extra dimension to the rationality analysis: the personal interests and preferences of the authoritarian. And by standard economic analyses, authoritarians do not behave rationally and that is consistently reestablished
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
It also helps to know the leader's background and motivations. Angela Merkel for example was a member of the East German Communist Youth League.
@mitchyoung93
@mitchyoung93 10 месяцев назад
You literally don't understand what 'rationality' means in a rational choice analysis context.
@wellplayed6061
@wellplayed6061 10 месяцев назад
There is more to politics than just economics, Russia is behaving rationally, they just weigh the importance of things differently.
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
@@wellplayed6061 Not really. Putin is behaving NOT as a rational actor but as a typical authoritarian despot with delusions of Tsardom. He fancies himself Peter the Great despite the fact that the world is vastly different.
@Iv4Bez
@Iv4Bez 10 месяцев назад
Just as irrational from economic perspective as making sanctions and sending weapons lol.
@dittikke
@dittikke 10 месяцев назад
I'm normally a fan of your content, but this was a bit abstract, and not really accurate. Germany had plans to build LNG terminals starting in the 1970s that were not strictly shelved, but abandoned not long before the Russian invasion. The reason, as so often, was the famous German bureaucracy. It's unfortunately so common in Germany that it doesn't necessarily imply any malicious intent. Most likely in this case, the authorities take all the time in the world to approve a project, especially if it's unpopular as the NIMBY syndrome in Germany is extreme. Some are against the LNG terminals even now. Germany (BASF) had also sold its major storage facility at Rehden to Gazprom, which was allowed to run empty before the winter of 2021-2022. Nobody really knows why even now, it was just kind-of expected that it would be filled for the winter as late as in late 2021 and there was a report about it, some Green politician made a noise about it in September 2021, but it seems that it was nobody's job to make sure that it was being filled. Besides, who listens to the Greens, if Gazprom says there's nothing to worry about (rising gas prices?), then this Green politician should just chill. Again, a bureaucratic thing easily written down as yet another anomaly. Again not immediately indicative of malicious intent, happens all the time - the Berlin-Brandenburg Airport was still the big story. Reaching further back, there was the problem that someone somewhere somehow thought that relying on one trading partner to the exclusion of all others for a commodity as strategically important as natural gas wouldn't cause a problem. Or more likely, it just kind-of happened without anyone noticing, and anyone who noticed it thought someone else must be on it - until the Greens, Annalena Baerbock to be exact, raised the point and of course was summarily waved off, those hysterical Greens again, she should also just chill, why couldn't she understand that we're cool with the Russians and leave the politics to the boys like Merkel did. Looking at things now, it's reasonably uncontroversial that Russia, specifically Gazprom had even more fingers in more German pies that we didn't know about before with all the Putin buddies in politics (all parties ex. Greens), shady "environmental" organisations etc., but they really didn't have to try very hard. Strangely enough though, it's all somehow the Greens' fault nowadays. I wonder how that happened. I guess that's also just one of those things ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@OmmerSyssel
@OmmerSyssel 10 месяцев назад
My impression are that your traditionally closed and hierarchically structured decision-making causes such major flops. You are obsessed with daily nitpicking, never mind how irrelevant or self destructive, while large scale corruption and failures are glossed over or meticulously analysed without any serious consequences. Duckmäuser behaviour are widespread and seriously destructive. Often as ridiculously inefficient as your nr. one frowned upon Italians ... Are you secretly expecting the lottery might hit you, if only you keep silently on in the daily hamsterrad?
@TheCrunchifiedOne
@TheCrunchifiedOne 10 месяцев назад
Oh dang, I never realised you had such a storied academic background! I looked it up after you mentioned it at 12:02 and it's made me appreciate your analysis and perspective even more than I already do. Thanks for sharing your work with the world!
@dylandarnell3657
@dylandarnell3657 10 месяцев назад
His game theory videos are pretty great, too.
@lanfrancocarloboerio4424
@lanfrancocarloboerio4424 10 месяцев назад
I found this video very challenging. I should play it several time to barely understand the logic path underneth. But I'm really fascinated by this approch to read geopolitic matters and I will continue to follow professor Spaniel till he will be so generous to share lecture on tube. Great experience to follow you thank you!
@Just_Lars
@Just_Lars 10 месяцев назад
Well, really, this is a lecture about applying game theory to politics (hence the mentioning of poker). It is probably the closest you can get, if you want to put the way decisions were made into a mathematical formula. Of course, because of the limitations this specific format has, it didn't talk about factors aside from economic costs vs. political goals. Namely cultural and historical experiences and the resulting differences in political mentality, the differences in decision-making between authoritarian and democratic political actors etc. There are a few good books on the topic of game theory, so if you are interested in the math and ideas behind the video, maybe try them out.
@blind8686
@blind8686 10 месяцев назад
The complete, ignorance of Russia’s strategic intentions, greed and naïveté, of the Merkel administration’s policies is shocking. I am sure they are still waiting for that fortune they unexpectedly inherited from a distant relative in Nigeria….
@Iv4Bez
@Iv4Bez 10 месяцев назад
is that ignorance? What Germany loosing economically anyway, aren't they just hurt themselves?
@blind8686
@blind8686 10 месяцев назад
@@Iv4Bez sorry, i am not sure what is question.
@Iv4Bez
@Iv4Bez 10 месяцев назад
@@blind8686 I don't understand how this is the Merkel's fault. It is the fault of current goverment to ruin their relationship with Russia. There was nothing obligating Germany to do anything in this situation thus they had choice not to help the Ukraine/sanctioning Russia. Merkel did the right thing, at least from economic perspective.
@blind8686
@blind8686 10 месяцев назад
@@Iv4Bez The current state of German - Russian relations is neither Merkel' nor Scholz' "fault". It is simply an outcome of Russia's adversarial posture towards EU and NATO, which Germany is a part of. Sure, the prospect of cheap Russian gas, delivered on mass by a direct pipeline, to fuel German industry, looked like a great deal from an economic perspective. What, to many has been obvious from the get-go, was conveniently overlooked by political and business elites. That is the hidden cost associated with all that cheap energy. Sorry, but if you are surprised that Germany didn't choose to continue its dependence on Russian energy, and chose to act consistently with its allies, then you have a rather poor (and wrong) judgment of the German society.
@Lawh
@Lawh 9 месяцев назад
The "Let's trust the Russians" plan never seems to quite work out. If you ever wondered why they are the baddies in every old movie, now you know.
@baird5682
@baird5682 10 месяцев назад
Thing all polish know and germans are gonna find out.
@ettoreatalan8303
@ettoreatalan8303 10 месяцев назад
Does this apply to all inhabitants of territories occupied by Russia, which included Poland over 100 years ago?
@Lawh
@Lawh 10 месяцев назад
@@ettoreatalan8303 No, just the Russians who order wars and genocides on the people they occupy, or the people they invade, which includes all of their neighbors.
@Johnny-mp2ew
@Johnny-mp2ew 9 месяцев назад
​@@ettoreatalan8303I'm pretty sure if you ask said occupied polish serfs how much they trusted the Russians they would give you a similar answer
@corallynnewman3536
@corallynnewman3536 9 месяцев назад
That's logic for you!
@hopeforbetter382
@hopeforbetter382 10 месяцев назад
So much wisdom in hindsight!
@gp-1542
@gp-1542 10 месяцев назад
I think the fact that everyone told them it was a bad idea is baffling Everyone saw the red flags
@susanne5803
@susanne5803 10 месяцев назад
Thank you! We're deeply divided about Merkel but strongly united for Ukraine in our (German) family.
@Gametheory101
@Gametheory101 10 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@mitchyoung93
@mitchyoung93 10 месяцев назад
Merkel was hugely popular when she was in power.
@susanne5803
@susanne5803 10 месяцев назад
@@mitchyoung93 Not with everyone and outside of Germany more than inside ...
@arminfdordrecht
@arminfdordrecht 10 месяцев назад
in time of merkel |,Germany was top of the world. how u divided?!
@susanne5803
@susanne5803 10 месяцев назад
@@arminfdordrecht Details ... Things are usually complex inside even if they seem simple from the outside.
@ferdinanddeguzman1223
@ferdinanddeguzman1223 10 месяцев назад
Integrity is everything. You can never trust someone without integrity.
@raulw858
@raulw858 10 месяцев назад
This was my favorite plug for your book
@yrtepgold
@yrtepgold 10 месяцев назад
That was a golden segue for your book. Well done 👏
@hawssie1
@hawssie1 10 месяцев назад
Germany's current economic model only works with the injection of below market energy, as both a base ingredient for their renowned petrochemical output and directly by providing cheap energy to run the place itself. And secondly by the protection the U.S. has provided for free, since the start of the Cold War, in the form of establishing open trade routes via Naval projection, which is the only way the global marketplace can predictably and safely function. And also by providing direct military protection in the form of NATO. The prior point is acutely important due to the German economy's heavy reliance on exports, This situation is further troubling because of their heavy reliance on China as their biggest export market. None of these positives can be taken for granted anymore.
@truckwarrior5944
@truckwarrior5944 10 месяцев назад
One aspect we should not forget here is, that Merkels last term was coming to an end. She complained a lot (and many German politicans, even the ones who disagreed with her at the time, agree nowadays) that many politicans did not even consider her anymore when making their plans and voting, because they would not benefit on the long run and just freezing the gouvernment as good as possible would influence the elections in a major way to change the status quo we had at the time. That means when Merkel tried to correct her course, other politicans just blocked everything, so that very badly going course was not corrected, which resulted in the people of Germany becoming less satisfied and the CDU (Merkels Party) lost a wopping 8,8% in the elections. That resulted in the CDU not beeing in the gouvernment the frist time since 2005 and was a real shocking surprise for many in the country.
@40watt_club
@40watt_club 10 месяцев назад
Merkel has been over-considered for 16years. She belongs in front of a court. Like Schroeder.
@martindice5424
@martindice5424 10 месяцев назад
Always interesting. Keep it up sir.
@noyopacific
@noyopacific 10 месяцев назад
Thanks for the video William! BTW, I am (or may not be) the troll-bot that posted the predictive text about you being on the Board of Realtors. Regardless of whether the predictive text was genuine (FWIW, it was) or contrived, I thought it was amusing. Again, thanks for this and all of your other exceptional videos !!!
@lydiazafra3476
@lydiazafra3476 10 месяцев назад
Tnx William , as always excellent analysis , take care always ❤and prayers for Ukraine from USA
@tacticalsapper
@tacticalsapper 10 месяцев назад
Germany's and other countries (understandable) mistake was to expect rational decisions on both sides of the table. The second mistake was to ignore so many warnings from former soviet states (now EU) and the last one and most likely the saddest: ignoring the needs for freedom and peace of Ukraine. Zelenskyy's reaction to the talks between putin, Merkel and Macron was hard to watch. Now a lot changed and almost all for the good, while the losses of Ukraine make it a very bitter improvement.
@mitchyoung93
@mitchyoung93 10 месяцев назад
There could have been peace and freedom in Ukraine had there simply been a guarantee of neutrality and recognition of the language rights of Russian speakers in Donbas and elsewhere. And maybe even just plain old neutrality without the language rights. Instead Minsk was a con job and 'we', the US foreign policy establishment neocon division, kept pushing for war.
@rivobravo
@rivobravo 10 месяцев назад
Merkel was more interested in bartering Ukraine quest for freedom in exchange for cheap Russian gas, for the benefit of German economy. This is called cowardice and hypocrisy.
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 10 месяцев назад
To point 2. I don't think warnings were ignored. What makes you think that they were?
@jgw9990
@jgw9990 10 месяцев назад
​@@emilsinclair4190Because they were. Germans had routinely displayed an incredibly smug attitude towards Eastern European concerns, and laughed at Trump warning them about energy dependence on Russia.
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 10 месяцев назад
@jgw9990 warnings about what exactly? Trade is always a two sided weapon. So I agree with laughing at him since everyone knew that. Trump and many other countries just forgot that this is also a weapon for germany. And many people forget that a lot of criticism was motivated by those countries wanting transport fees/export lng.
@Shadow-1949
@Shadow-1949 10 месяцев назад
I bought your book! I’m looking forward to it
@amphibiousone7972
@amphibiousone7972 10 месяцев назад
Thanks Boss great history presentation.
@Draconisrex1
@Draconisrex1 10 месяцев назад
The Russian GDP growth only took a 2% hit in 2015. It had gone down the prior two years, but that had nothing to with Crimea or Ukraine, but energy and resource prices. In 2016 it grew again and every year until 2020 when it dropped, like tons of other countries did during COVID and bounced right back with a sold 5%+ growth in 2021. It wasn't until this war and people FINALLY GOT SERIOUS and cut off Russian oil and gas imports did sanctions really do much.
@alesh2275
@alesh2275 10 месяцев назад
Russia changed the way it publishes economic statistics and data after the 2022 invasion so believing and repeating Russian GDP growth figures is nothing more than Russian propaganda.
@paulgibbon5991
@paulgibbon5991 10 месяцев назад
Source? Too many people trust Russia's self-reported figures of growth.
@Iv4Bez
@Iv4Bez 10 месяцев назад
in 2015? But Crimea crisis was 2014? Also 2022 russian economy also were hit by 2%. But as much as I know 2014-2015 was harder.
@Iv4Bez
@Iv4Bez 10 месяцев назад
@@paulgibbon5991 they've been considered reliable. At least before.
@corallynnewman3536
@corallynnewman3536 9 месяцев назад
It was an independent economic authority (I forget which) which declared that Russia was now the fifth largest economy in the world surpassing Germany. Putin mentioned it recently but it wasn't a Russian source.
@rhea7756
@rhea7756 10 месяцев назад
2:33- The moment Zelensky realizes what's in store for Ukraine.
@chaupipozo9135
@chaupipozo9135 10 месяцев назад
Hello William. Just wanted to tell you that i enjoy your videos very much! greetings from Argentina :D
@michaelhenault1444
@michaelhenault1444 10 месяцев назад
Nice analytics 😊
@13BulliTs
@13BulliTs 10 месяцев назад
At 2:30 you can clearly see that Zelenskye is wondering what the hell am I doing here in this madhouse, signing a declaration of war to come.
@pawlik5318
@pawlik5318 10 месяцев назад
Great video 👍 but borsh is a ukranian dish ;)
@porthose2002
@porthose2002 10 месяцев назад
OK, so those Jeopardy! topics were really funny. Nicely done.
@olegpetelevitch4443
@olegpetelevitch4443 10 месяцев назад
Love the way you explain with food top stuff ! %100 !
@theredhunter4997
@theredhunter4997 10 месяцев назад
One other problem is the ideological differences. Democracies are very capitalistic and their top priority is often money, so trade would be better at preventing conflict between the countries. But Russia is bascially a kingdom where Putit has two too concerns. One is his how he will be remembered by future generations and his image. Two is keeping the oligarchs of all the big companies happy aka the nobility. As long as the nobility are happy Putin can be comfortable that he will be able to stay in power.
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
And Germany for the longest time had chancellors who were shills for Bolshevism. Keep in mind that Merkel was a member of the East German Communist Youth League.
@duncanmoore3623
@duncanmoore3623 10 месяцев назад
I totally agree - I think the logic of interdependence works far less strongly in authoritarian states, where other values other than economic prosperity can shine through. A democracy wants more money because that means more possibility to do things with it and/or more popularity (and therefore internal power) due to a booming economy. Nevertheless it's very easy to see why Germany may have been overly rosy on the idea of interdependence - beyond Brandt there's also the EU. If you said the EU countries (plus EFTA, plus UK) would be at peace and war between them would be unthinkable 100 years ago you'd be laughed out the room. The EU is essentially a giant economic interdependence machine, the UK's current abysmal economy demonstrating this rather well. Even here in the UK, outside a moderately-sized but loud eurosceptic fringe (who consider NATO and only NATO), it's considered a key part of why we have that peace and in continental Western Europe that conventional wisdom is even stronger. I think that interdependence, under some circumstances, could embolden a bad actor would have been a difficult idea for German policy makers. Given Germany's bizarrely slow provision of arms to Ukraine I think it may still be now, to some extent.
@uckthis8079
@uckthis8079 10 месяцев назад
Agree
@Stepss
@Stepss 10 месяцев назад
Watch your videos two or three times before truly understanding the meaning of it. Thank you for doing such a great job 🙏
@Xyrulis
@Xyrulis 10 месяцев назад
You are watching pro western/USA propaganda
@CristianmirabalWuno
@CristianmirabalWuno 10 месяцев назад
@@Xyrulis Ok Ivan
@wishusknight3009
@wishusknight3009 10 месяцев назад
@@Xyrulis Care to expand on your blurted out nonsense?
@Xyrulis
@Xyrulis 10 месяцев назад
@@wishusknight3009 He always talks like the west is innocent. Also his views on my country are extremely wrong and biased towards the west.
@Xyrulis
@Xyrulis 10 месяцев назад
@@CristianmirabalWuno хорошо, американец
@colinadevivero
@colinadevivero 10 месяцев назад
You are the best writer and thinker on this topic. Matching Perun!
@Bethos1247-Arne
@Bethos1247-Arne 9 месяцев назад
the problem with that line of reason is that Germany's reason for Nordstream was not peace, it was cheap gas. The Wandel durch Handel mantra ("change through trade") was neoliberal marketing done by the lackeys of big companies.
@dmitritestacough8551
@dmitritestacough8551 10 месяцев назад
The money they may bring (Putin) does not compare to the money required to ensure ones security. - Mikhail Khodorkovsky
@FairladyS130
@FairladyS130 10 месяцев назад
The basic problem was that Merkel thought that she had built a good relationship with Putin that carried weight with him. Plus her reputation depended on dealing with Putin to deliver what Germany needed. So she was in too deep to make rational decisions.
@40watt_club
@40watt_club 10 месяцев назад
Merkel has been born, bread and politically indoctrinated in Eastern-Germany. She just obeyed her Masters Voice .
@XIIchiron78
@XIIchiron78 10 месяцев назад
The idea wasn't fundamentally bad, but Germany failed to mitigate their own dependence on the new gas, pushing the line to the left on your chart. The US has the strategic reserve for this reason, but Germany didn't build enough capacity or keep it filled prior to the conflict. In addition, they should have made at least some investment into LNG ports, and definitely should not have rushed to denuclearize their energy mix with no alternative... Great video.
@XIIchiron78
@XIIchiron78 9 месяцев назад
@@leviathan-tk7rz they do have some storage though. But it is also possible that trying to use energy for this kind of trade interdependence just doesn't work fundamentally, as it's too easy to depend on.
@wwoods66
@wwoods66 10 месяцев назад
4:55 _"And_ there'd be no more sausage. How sad." But that'd be a wurst-case scenario.
@HeartcoreMitRA
@HeartcoreMitRA 10 месяцев назад
As a russian, i have to say that our opposition warned western countries numerous times. Explaining that you can't reason with soneone who has no reason at all. And that you can't estimate their position since you're looking from a rational standpoint and there's nothing rational about what putin is doing. And you can't negotiate with a bully who's only language is force. And the more concessious you get the more brutal he will get in responce, because it just validates his idea of getting benefits by force. In 2008, in 2012, in 2014 we have warned the western countries on how it al will end up. The responce was - buying more russian gas and supplying putin's regime with riot suppressing equipment. And even after feb 24th Europe was buying russian gas, financially supporting putin's war more than supporting Ukraine. Of course it's easier to blame russian opposition for not taking down the regime, than admitting that this is the entity you have grown and been sponsoring for a long time. And for all these times our governmen speakers told how the Europe is now hooked on putin's fossil fuel and how he will nuke Britain and all other bizarre things that we've tried to point out, it's all been turned down because it's "just internal rhetoric". And look where we are now.
@Iv4Bez
@Iv4Bez 10 месяцев назад
they don't care. Well, commentators maybe, not politicians. Which is more surprising is them aiding Ukraine at all. Well maybe not very surprising considering how little they gave compared to overall capacities. Also it's better to stop watching our (russian) opposition, they just usually stupid and causing mental damage. But that's your choice anyway.
@adamdunsire9379
@adamdunsire9379 10 месяцев назад
The format. The slides. The narrating. The beautiful set up to checking out the book...completely unabashedly, every episode. The memes. You are truly one of the best William 👌
@Khal_Rheg0
@Khal_Rheg0 10 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@MonsterPainter
@MonsterPainter 10 месяцев назад
Always a quality video
@Tinil0
@Tinil0 10 месяцев назад
I'm also starting to think the entire underpinning of international relations theory depending on rational actors is a fundamental flaw when dealing with the real world.
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
That is why brinksmanship is a much better model of human behavior than its critics care to admit.
@nerdyali4154
@nerdyali4154 10 месяцев назад
Democracy tends to align leader's interests with the interests of the populace, at least with regard to starting wars and crashing the economy. Public opinion is not always rational either, so you need to factor that into each case.
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
@@nerdyali4154 Usually it does. However, Europe is less democratic and more hereditary Republic which differs from feudalism mostly in name. Aristocratic nobility of a different kind.
@Endwankery
@Endwankery 10 месяцев назад
You almost have to feel bad for Germany. Even when they have a good idea it seems to fail
@CockmageLVL99
@CockmageLVL99 10 месяцев назад
God bless you, Captain Hindsight!
@DraigBlackCat
@DraigBlackCat 10 месяцев назад
Czechoslovakia in 1937, Poland in 1938, and the Soviet Union in 1940 all had Germany as their biggest trading partner before they were invaded by Hitler. Russia's biggest export clients in 2021 were China, Nederlands, Germany, Belarus & UK, but as the exports were primarily hydrocarbons, none of those countries were amongst the top 10 of Russia's imports. My take, a major war isn't based upon economics so economic entanglement will not prevent a war and, as with the Japanese oil embargo before WW2, may even increase the liklihood of a war should those entangled strings need to be used as a means of political coercion - look at the current mess between N Ireland, Ireland & Great Britain, where political post-brexit strictures are on the verge of driving a re-emergence of sectarian conflict.
@uis246
@uis246 10 месяцев назад
Indeed, first war of 2014 started because of decline of Putin's raiting
@davidford3115
@davidford3115 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, Kind of funny how Hitler blew up the VERY lucrative Molotov-Ribbentrop Alliance. NOBODY in Germany actually wanted to end that agreement. Only the fool at the top did.
@browngreen933
@browngreen933 10 месяцев назад
IMO, Putin could have achieved more by selling cheap gas to Germany and gradually enticing Germany away from US and NATO influence and into Moscow's sphere, while at the same time nibbling away at Donbas. Instead, Putin nakedly invaded Ukraine, which like Germany attacking Poland in 1939, was a step too far even for the decadent West. Must be some sort of goofy Eurasianist strategy. We need more Spaniel info. 😂
@SianaGearz
@SianaGearz 10 месяцев назад
Interesting comment, i like it, but i don't see it being the case. Simply because it's true under a working assumption that Russia can push Germany asymptotically towards near total subservience by frogboiling. I would suggest that this is not the case, that there is a deeply ingrained solidarity of German citizens with the US and let's say France and other substantial players that you can't outright dissolve, a strong and natural soft power, so there is a hard limit to how far Russia could push Germany, and they could never push Germany quite enough to achieve these sorts of goals. There is of course also a degree of similarly ingrained Russia-solidarity and general US-skepticism in Germany, but these sentiments all co-exist without one necessarily dominating.
@waltergro9102
@waltergro9102 10 месяцев назад
Britain gave her guarantee to Poland because Hitler occupied the Czech Republic in violation of the Munich agreement.
@OmmerSyssel
@OmmerSyssel 10 месяцев назад
​@@waltergro9102irrelevant to present situation! Quit those outdated examples... 🥱
@Conartist666
@Conartist666 10 месяцев назад
​@@SianaGearz I wouldn't say that germans have a "deeply ingrained solidarity" with the US. As far as i could see the US was always just a natural Business partner because they were a big democracy with a lot of money and military. Someone you had to work with because it benefits both parties. 30 years ago maybe people were looking up to the US even with their foreign wars. But absolutly not today. I'd say relations kinda cracked between germany and the US in the last 5-10 years. Obama was liked very much until the snowden affair. (Being obsessed with privacy and the memory of the Stasi and being spied on by your "friends" is not a good combo) And after that came trump, who everyone disliked and properly broke the good relations down. (Bidens inflation reduction act not helping as well) Tldr: I think russia could've absolutly pushed germany away from the US to a degree, but i don't think they could have done much more. And it would not have been a better situation for them. What would have resulted from damaged german-USA relations (imo) would have been deeper european connections to make up for the US and maybe a bit more gas from russia.
@waltergro9102
@waltergro9102 10 месяцев назад
@@OmmerSyssel It's no example but just referring to the historical context. That should be legitimate in case history is taken as proof for something. I don't even contradict the statement. German generals and diplomats warned the British that Hitler becomes uncontrollable if they give in to him in Munich.
@videobyredjade
@videobyredjade 10 месяцев назад
Thank you
@WonderMagician
@WonderMagician 10 месяцев назад
An excellent explanation to an opaque process in full use in international politics. Greed for profit has been winning...for how long?
@USA__2023
@USA__2023 10 месяцев назад
The reason Trump was against nord stream in europe was energy dependance, and he was right. Headlines > "Trump accused Germany of becoming ‘totally dependent’ on Russian energy at the U.N. The Germans just smirked."
@kjungst
@kjungst 10 месяцев назад
In my opinion by building the nordstream pipelines Germany made a war possible, which makes them totally responsible for this conflict. But, what you can expect from a nation, who consider themselves smarter than the rest of the world.
@dnickaroo3574
@dnickaroo3574 10 месяцев назад
So It was all Germany’s fault - Biden and Trump wanted ‘Peace in Europe’!
@Panteni87
@Panteni87 10 месяцев назад
​@@kjungstyeah, German hubris is a special kind of hubris.
@SupremeRTS
@SupremeRTS 10 месяцев назад
Yeah but that's the same guy that showed off nuclear codes to his friends, don't act like he's some kind of genius. We had a similar man in charge back in the 30s and 40s
@Bombercaferacer
@Bombercaferacer 10 месяцев назад
It's great listening to you explaining how Governments of countries want to help Ukraine but have strings attach to it. If they gave what was necessary in offense weapons 12mths ago, it would be a totally different out come today we are watching and seeing in Ukraine and Russia.
@kjungst
@kjungst 10 месяцев назад
12 months ago there was still a chance, that russia will capture Kiev and Geramny would come back to buisness as ussual.
@the_mad_fool
@the_mad_fool 10 месяцев назад
Another problem with any such game theory calculations involving parties like Russia and China is a discrepancy of values. For a Liberal Democracy, the cost of economic recession is extremely high to the individual, personal interests of the ruling class. Voters tend to rank economic prosperity extremely highly come election time, after all. However, for an Autocratic nation, this relationship is not so simple. While they certainly like having a strong economy, economic prosperity also comes with risks and complications with respect to regime stability. This creates a problem when attempting to implement an Ostpolitik strategy, because even if the trade balance were perfectly equal, it would still favor the Autocratic side.
@TraderJoe888
@TraderJoe888 9 месяцев назад
It is painfully obvious that Merkel & Macron (M&M) were using Kant's playbook (Peace through Interdependence), while Putin was using Machiavelli's playbook (maneuver your adversary into a vulnerable position and then exploit that vulnerability). M&M's miscalculation was thinking Putin's goals were those of a rational Western European leader (maximize current prosperity to his people). Whereas Putin's goal was to rebuild the Russian Empire by maximizing political control over Russia, maximizing political control over the former Soviet Warsaw Pact nations, while cuckolding Western European countries. Basically, the same goals of every Russian leader in the past few centuries. M&M's obvious mistake was wishful thinking, believing their ears when Putin expressed a desire for peace and tranquility, instead of believing their eyes seeing Putin's army massacring populations in Syria, Georgia, Chechnya, and invading Crimea. And if Putin's army would have succeeded in taking over Ukraine in weeks, M&M would have been cuckolded into meaningless sanctions and eventually resuming relations with Russia as their only perceived course of action to avoid a NATO war with Russia. Putin knew this, acted rationally (risk reward favored invasion, where Russian and Western Intelligence Agencies predicted a very short war). However, Ukrainians had other ideas, having known life under the Russian boot, they were willing to die to prevent that. In foresight and hindsight, NO ONE should be surprised Putin invaded given Western European dependency on Russian energy supplies and the likely success of the invasion. Putin's critical miscalculations were thinking he actually had a mighty and effective military force and that a significant segment of Ukrainian society WANTED to reunite with Russia. Wrong and WRONG!!!! Thanks to Ukraine for preventing Western European countries from becoming a set of vassal states to the Russian Empire.
@hofimastah
@hofimastah 10 месяцев назад
Just a reminder that Germany at the beginning of the Russian invasion neither wanted to stop trading with Russia nor help Ukraine. It took a lot of international pressure to stop the trade and get them to send anything to Ukraine. That's why I don't believe they ever cared if Ukraine is free or not. Nothing personal. Just business.
@Claude_van
@Claude_van 10 месяцев назад
The German government was/is lead by social democrats that have a lifelong history of pro Soviet and pro Russian politics. It’s almost treason. Chancellor Scholz was 10 times in Eastern Germany during the dictatorship in the 80s but he didn’t talk to the opposition. Chancellor Schroder became a board member of Russia’s Gasprom after he retired. I guess the KGB has a lot of investments in Germany in many parties. One of the great successes of the KGB was the fracking ban on German natural gas reserves.
@Blanka1100
@Blanka1100 10 месяцев назад
Germany started with 5000 helmets and If Ukraine failed in 3 days, Scholz could not care less.
@bennymuller3379
@bennymuller3379 10 месяцев назад
Well most of germans wanted Germany to do more, problem was lot's of politicians relied on russian money
@emilsinclair4190
@emilsinclair4190 10 месяцев назад
@Blanka1100 ... 5000 helmets+an field hospital. +being one of the biggest monetary supporters. And this was before the invasion started. Nearly imminently after the invasion anti tank weapons, Munition and manuals were send to Ukraine. Yes. Germany has declared that invading Ukraine would have serious consequences so even if the invasion would only have lasted a short time ns2 would not have opened and additional economic measures would have been taken. The intresting point is that germany follows the same speed as the us.
@seagullskunk
@seagullskunk 10 месяцев назад
Where are you from? I'm saying that cause I'm gonna take your governements most worst decision and blame it on YOU. Cause that's obviously how politics works. Shit aside when the war broke out the support for Ukraine was HUGE. Thats why Scholz etc. couldn't hold their stance that long and started to supply weapons eventually. Politicians being politicians aka corrupt and using double standarts isn't something any nation holds a patent on
@MrNikArt
@MrNikArt 10 месяцев назад
Might I mention that the "Borshch" is a Ukrainian dish. Best thing russia has is "Pelmeni", and that's pretty much asian dish. Wait, they do have "Shchi" wich sounds as apetising as it sounds, being a soup of boiled cabbage and some onions.
@berlineczka
@berlineczka 10 месяцев назад
Pelmeni are Ukrainian too. Sure, a variation of a dumpling with a filling exists in most of the countries the Mongols made it to - from China to Poland. Pelmeni is the Ukrainian variation of the dumpling too. Russian dishes are, beside the shchi you already mentioned e.g. blini, ukroshka, oliver salad, uha.
@southstar9931
@southstar9931 9 месяцев назад
Going to have to watch this 3 times but it sounds brilliant
@LukVik
@LukVik 10 месяцев назад
The sausage analogy was hilarious 😂!!!
@TonyRedunzo
@TonyRedunzo 10 месяцев назад
I like the part with the lines on maps. I kept seeing sausages on maps because William kept saying "Sausages". The weisswurst were Ukrainian, Russians were liverwurst and Germans of course, were Knockwurst.
@MrPoljako
@MrPoljako 10 месяцев назад
As always you seem to forget about Presswurst. Greetings from Poland.
@ralfrude3532
@ralfrude3532 10 месяцев назад
The installation of gas terminals wouldn't have only the US enabled to deliver natural gas to Germany. This was the political BS argument against those terminals.
@derdummkopf5337
@derdummkopf5337 10 месяцев назад
The best, and the only explanation about economic interdependence I have ever heard
@johnbarrett915
@johnbarrett915 10 месяцев назад
You should read/search more...
@corallynnewman3536
@corallynnewman3536 9 месяцев назад
what a compliment!
@aspenschannel7740
@aspenschannel7740 10 месяцев назад
Please make your book into an audiobook!
@Tom-kf6nz
@Tom-kf6nz 10 месяцев назад
Borscht is Ukrainian. 😮
@G0ldmoon
@G0ldmoon 10 месяцев назад
Its also worth noting, that if russia had have conquered ukraine in the 3 days it imagined, Germany may not have given a shit. its not just the amount russia pushed but for how long. Germany's ability to turn a blind eye for its own benefit had a time limit.
@DJSockmonkeyMusic
@DJSockmonkeyMusic 10 месяцев назад
Caaaaaaant! Love from Australia!
@jarrellestes1793
@jarrellestes1793 10 месяцев назад
I do wats best for … not necessarily what’s best for the U.S. end of quote? This quote tells a lot of motivation! Mr Tillison and Mr. Puritan shaking hands tells a lot about motivation!!
@NLTops
@NLTops 10 месяцев назад
I wouldn't call it a gamble per say. If Europe (or Germany in particular) had not engaged in mutually-beneficial trade with Russia, tensions would have risen far sooner than they have. Because Russia would have less incentive to keep the peace. Russia's economic focus would've been more towards China for the past 4 decades, and as a result the economic damage Russia experienced as a result of their invasion of Ukraine would be smaller than it is today. That said, I do agree that the general direction this whole thing was going should've been clear in 2014 and Germany in particular (but also the West in general) reacted too meekly to it.
@hpaulbryant729
@hpaulbryant729 10 месяцев назад
I do not see Germany's approach as a total backfire. Germany's willingness to forgive and pay money for oil undercuts the "moral basis" for Russia's attack --- partly premised on the claim that Russia needed to invade Ukraine to stop NATO expanion. This lack of moral justification has helped unite NATO, and is the one thing that has caused Germany to unite against Russia. Because, Germany can take the moral high ground by saying it tried.
@michael-muller
@michael-muller 10 месяцев назад
all the reasons for the invasion of Ukraine are voiced by Putin, but the West stubbornly ignores them. Since the age of 14, Ukraine has been continuously nightmares of its former fellow citizens, on February 21, 2022 (even before the entry of troops) Ukraine attacked Russian border points by sending groups of other groups there, which in itself is an act of war, and Ukraine also gathered a huge group to storm Donetsk. In fact, Russia was left with no choice, and this is obvious. The most disgusting thing is that the West presents Ukraine as an innocent sheep, although her hands are covered in blood, and Germany is again flirting with Nazism - calls for and support for discrimination against Russians, regardless of their guilt, are proof of this. Ask the Ukrainians what happened to the inhabitants of the territories liberated by Ukraine? What happened to the participants in Russian referendums?
@nerdyali4154
@nerdyali4154 10 месяцев назад
If it took that to convince people of the moral imbalance here then we really are in trouble.
@michaelfischer5965
@michaelfischer5965 10 месяцев назад
Die Ursache lag an Gerhard Schröder ex linker SPD Kanzler (Anti Nato in den 70ern) jetzt Gasprom Manager und an Angela Merkel durch Atomausstieg. Angela Merkel ist mit Ihrer Familie aus Westdeutschland nach Ostdeutschland (Sowjetzone) ausgewandert. Sie war in der FDJ der DDR tätig. Nach der Wende ist Sie in die CDU eingetreten. Vermutlich war es Ihr Auftrag.
@hpaulbryant729
@hpaulbryant729 10 месяцев назад
@@nerdyali4154 Not very difficult to convince people in the West. However, African Countries (in the Sahel), China and even Turkey sit on the fence. They could easily have been persuaded to think that Europe's unwillingness to trade with Russia justified Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a legitimate act of self-preservation. Nudging Turkey and China to abandon any pretextual defense of Russia makes a big difference.
@clairejeannette8454
@clairejeannette8454 10 месяцев назад
Dr. Spaniel: I am relatively intelligent but I did not GET this from the very beginning. Generally, I really appreciate your presentations.
@General12th
@General12th 10 месяцев назад
Hi William! The sequel to Lines on Maps: *Dots on Lines*
@40Kfrog
@40Kfrog 10 месяцев назад
I love your visualizations so much. Merkel giving Putin her sausage had me giggling like an idiot.
@DannekAnnohen
@DannekAnnohen 10 месяцев назад
from a german perspective, Merkel's policies were fairly controversial but it seemed that that hardly concerned her. Especially in the context of her coalition at the time, she played the "russia hardliner" much to the confusion of significant parts of the country. Oh and one more thing: "Kant" is pronounced exactly the way you don't want to pronounce it, yes, I am talking about Charisma, Uniqueness, Nerve and Talent. I say, embrace it, the aspiration on your -t-s is another great step in the right direction, haha
@hungrymusicwolf
@hungrymusicwolf 10 месяцев назад
I Kant believe the amount of dad jokes you are making William.
@jcruzgarciajimenez4584
@jcruzgarciajimenez4584 10 месяцев назад
Que buen análisis Quiere decir que cualquiera puede poner precio a tus vienes
@denyspavlovskyi9752
@denyspavlovskyi9752 10 месяцев назад
JFYI Borsch is Ukrainian national meal. Officially already by the way. It’s “sausage lovers” in Kremlin claimed it’s russian in their propaganda. As btw many other things and people that were considered by western audience as “russian”though it was not. Make please video about reactions of US politicians on the fall of USSR. Or specifically how US Government Secretary begged Ukrainian parliament not to vote for leaving USSR….
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