Ghost Recon Wildlands - LMG vs Assault Rifles 

If Ubisoft wanted to make this more realistic as far as LMG’s are concerned, they should’ve given you a bipod as well as a scope with some magnification.

Well, in my opinion, LMGs in this game are pretty much useless. You can't mow down groups of enemies, since there are no bipods and recoil is pretty hard to control, and it takes multiple hits to kill an enemy. Vehicle destruction capabilities? Nope, HTI will do a much better job, as well as an underslung grenade launcher for ARs. Worse optics, worse recoil control, worse damage (or at least not noticably better damage)... The only thing LMGs have is a huge mag. But this advantage is very situational, since most of the times you'll be firing from a cover, and it wouln't really matter whether you need to reload or not. The only scenario where mag size comes into play is when you camp those unidad forces at 4 level near the only doorway. Or in close quater combat, where enemies can actually flank you while you reload. But overall, I'd say that LMGs are pretty useless. I guess they need to add bipods, or maybe include some kind of supression effect, so that enemies won't shoot you back in 2 seconds while being under heavy fire.

The LMG are more a suppression weapon: when you play solo, the bots can't cover you while moving, but if you have 150 dakkas in you dakka machine, you can do it yourself. An other pov is that the LMG have high penetretion: you can kill all the enemies inside a closed building (hacking facilities) from the outside. For the anecdote, i killed the last boss of Fallen Ghost (hidden in a prefab) from more than 500m (out of range of the mortars). But the recoil is high, w/ a pc you can control it easy.

Different weapons are meant for different jobs. Assault rifles are meant to assault. They are lightweight so that you can fire and move. LMGs are meant to support an assault or in a defensive capacity. Because they are heavier and the recoil will be felt greater. That's why they are setup to maximize field of fire, when targets move and the unit needs to advance the rest of the unit lays cover for the LMG to redeploy. It's a leap frog technique, and it works moving forward or backward.

You're a great RU-vidr and you find ways to keep your series alive on a 1 1/2 year old game it is great how active you are as well.

It is kind of annoying you can't make one of your AI squad members as a designated Machine Gunner. But I assume it might be because the AI can be more effective with certain weapons and it could make them OP.

And not only did you die, but destroyed the supply truck.... lol. I mainly use an LMG while doing the Real Radio ops to take down helicopters or surpress the on rushing SBs. Great video as usual Dally!

I just recently started this game last week, and my favorite AR/LMG combo is the ACR w/ m203 (for wiping out multis in cars) & the Llamativo (for shooting down helis until I get the HTI)

A bit late but I'm still playing this game four years after so here's my two cents: Ubi tried quite decently to make LMGs and ARs work differently, so that the choice for one or the other actually mattered and was not determined just by mere stats. LMGs, except for the Stoner, have no way of being suppressed, have little to no way of improving significantly accuracy and range, and have no magnified optics, and it takes quite the time to reload them; on the other hand, they have good modding to improve recoil control and handling, have a very large ammo capacity, can easily penetrate walls and destroy vehicles by sheer number of bullets before you have the need to reload. They are meant to be used aggressively and overtly, to take down many enemies with many bullets, or to provide a good base of fire to defend a position against a wave of enemies I know is coming (think of the clinic, or Matchwood's server).....basically the way you would use an LMG. ARs, on the other hand, have access to basically all the modding options, but rarely excel at everything, it's always a tradeoff with them, be it accuracy/range over recoil/handling, damage over suppression...they are stuck in the middle of it all. Meaning, they are perfect at being all-rounders; you can one-shot a slightly farther enemy with a suppressor and a magnifier, then rock them up close with full auto and a quick-swapping 50rd extended mag if things go loud; will they be as excellent as a sniper rifle or an LMG at either? no, but they can work in a pinch, and if you want to keep your secondary slot for something more specialistic (semiauto shotgun for extreme room-clearing, antimaterial 50cal for choppers and tanks, stealth-oriented SMG for full sneaky-beaky etc..) then an AR can be the "jack of all trades, master of none" that you need to cover a specialized weapon's weakness. Because of this, I find that ARs are perfect for solo players, because in a co-op team, you can afford to have one person specializing in suppressive fire or single-shot long range sniping, but when you're playing with AI, you need to be able to be a jack of all trades

Personally, I feel your use of cover with the AR was superior to your use of cover when using the LMG, but like you said we can chalk that death up to whatever, and as far as LMG selection, I feel the 249 is superior to all other LMG's, again just preference. Otherwise good video and I cant wait to see the new tests.

Mk249 is my go to LMG, and the MDR for assault rifle. For close quarters it's a fabulous combination. And always the blacklist pistol.

anyone disillusioned by the recoil in this, if you run the shift short angled grip and a compensator V2 the recoil with a long barrel is easily managed in bursts. if you run that grip, comp V2, and the standard barrel the gun is basically a laser. i love the stoner as just an all purpose weapon. big enough mag for when shit hits the fan, solid bullet drop for range, and a suppressor for taking out targets in stealth. honestly if you could equip more LMGs with supressors and high magnification optics i would probably only use them.

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By far the best lmg in my experience is the Mk48. Max its handling(whichever stat reduces horizontal sway) and it becomes a fking laser beam. Lmgs also completely demolish vehicles and deal obscene dmg. my 48 is and always has been my go to in this game.

Gotta use that shift short grip to keep the recoil manageable.... it's pretty much the only option on lmgs

Well I think you convinced me to change my assault rifle to the AUG A3. Great test, keep em coming!

PC player here, and I absolutely love LMGs. I've used them all quite a bit even at Tier 1 so here are my thoughts: The best two LMGs are the Mk249 and Mk48, with the Stoner coming in close for third. For each LMG you HAVE to use the Shift Short Angled Foregrip to remove/reduce the horizontal recoil so you're only contending with the vertical recoil. The Mk249 is absolutely ridiculous as it has the highest fire rate with relatively low recoil, but I prefer using the Mk48 because of both looks and it hits like a train, but it does have more recoil to fight than the Mk249 and the Stoner. So I'd say the best LMG to use on console might be the Mk249 due to it's higher controllability. I've used LMGs at both long range (over 300 meters) and close range, and once you get used to them you can shred literally everything regardless of range with extended bursts.

I think when we are talking about precision it's not only about bullet drop. I understand you also want to determine a weapon's "target elimination value", and that's a good idea. That means, in my humble oppinion, you have to test it in shooting bursts at multiple targets at different distances (let's say CQC and LR) and compare the shot groups. this way you also take the recoil and handling into consideration. That's what I do... Chears Darkdally...

I think mk249 LMG is really great machine gun that seems like the best I have used thusfar. From my experience it has super good efficiency for burst firing accurately at medium range and close range. I equip it with eotech scope, AFG underbarrel, and compensator v2 muzzle break. Another thing is that when running mk249 + Tavor assault rifle, you can carry so much ammo that you will not find yourself in trouble with runnign out of ammo, because the mk249 uses like different stock of ammo vs the 5.56mm assault rifle

The Stoner is perfect for fire support and/or suppressing mainly when they're veichles involved. But not for directly going on the offensive leading an attack.

🍻 to Zero ! Love hearing some love for the belt-fed brethren 👍

"The higher one is the Stoner" uhhhhhhh... ok.

I know this video is a year old and I haven't seen the others yet but... LMG's require a VERY different approach to the game. They revolve heavily around exploiting the AI's suppression mechanics and using your own squad/co-op friends as attack dogs. The goal of the LMG is basically crowd control and killing anyone dumb enough to run from cover. That's something I really love about Wildlands: The map design and ai really contributes to making snipers and machine guns viable for their intended purpose as opposed to Call of Duty and the way it turns snipers into glorified bolt action ww2 guns.

I prefer an lmg any day. ARs are...fine, but an lmg can rain hell on the enemy, and do more damage than ARs. They are less controllable, but with the proper attachments the differences are not that significant. I main the M249 with ironsights, v3 foregrip (I haven't found v4 yet), v2 compensator, standard barrel, no laser, and it puts enemies down fast at pretty far distances. They don't require grenade launchers to be effective on vehicles. I don't like the stoner personally, because it pulls in random directions.

Thanks for the great vids! Always getting me to try new weapons. And i would think the LMGs seem better for close quarters with the higher recoil and less zoom. Maybe try testing them by doing a Network Station or a Rebel Radio

LMGs are some of my favorite guns, however they don’t have the same play style as ARs. LMGs work best for taking down bigger targets or larger groups of enemies because of their damage, range and ammo capacity. Using an LMG/AR lineup is extremely effective for taking down bases

I loved the sound of the Stoner when I first got it and it was really effective against helicopters. I still like to run it during the VIP missions but you get more rounds with the m248.

Btw use a Shift Short Angled Grip on your LMG's. It helps sooo much.

Quite interesting new Test! Awesome Job!

I don't know if this will help but I find the angle grips helps better for controlling the LMG recoil. Momments were I've found them useful: My teammates are falling back and I'll be set up in a position further back providing surpressing fire on the large group of enemies pushing up.

I carry an AR, and an LMG now. If I’m shooting 200m to 400m I’m comfortable with the AR, anything closer I’m on the LMG and chances are I’m just shooting through walls. It works creat in coop with my friend that runs an AR and a sniper. Those side missions to clear buildings, we don’t go in anymore, we just spot and I circle strafe it until everyone is dead.

#1 rule for LMG use in this game, don't even try to do more than 2 bullet bursts while standing up. Even with 2-bursts, the second bullet might end up in a different country. It's critical you are at least crouched, preferably prone. The one exception seems to be the 249, that one seems somehow exempt from the ridiculous horizontal jerking the other LMG's have.

3:20 "The higher one is the stoner" 😂😂

Dude the Reaper is the truth lol use that one without ads just the third person recticle it's hella precise and always a 2hit kill. I always roll lmg on my squad because everyone wants to roll with single shot suppressed snipers and dmrs, you need fire superiority when shit goes wrong!

Nothing beats the Grenade Launcher.

Imo it's like making comparisons to real-life calibers in Fallout 4. I'm still looking for an Advanced Tubulated Awesomafied Deadly Receiver for my PSA AR-15.

Can you do the MK249 next?

You were right in your other video about how great LMG’s are for helos and vehicles.

I have always used the RPK (DLC) the PKM or the Madre Coca PKM. Stoner is the Only one with the "Can" option but has crap recoil.

Good video but the issue with the method of tests is yhe LMG is used in different situations. They are more accurate at range but lmg are not quick scope weapons. They are designed for high damage and putting lead down range as suppressive fire and staying a safe distance. CqB i wouldn't use an lmg. Also i find the regular iron sites of a few of the lmgs just work better than the scopes you get.

I like this vids so much

My playstyle is: mk14 supressed and mk249. I use mk14 most of the time, use pistol on close quarter, mk249 is when i got detected, just mow down gun and run the enemies.

Both type of weapons are not comparable since they have different types of missions, and they sadly didn't have the lmg a good scope. Irl lmgs have good magnifications because it's a good long range laying down weapon.

Hey brother, can you make a video on tier mode, what is tier mode, and should I go to tier mode. Explaination of benefits/cons

LMGs are useless on tier 1. Fun when not in tier mode. Video done.

if you were able to do the both guns in a single shot mode you likely fix the scope drift caused in both in 3 round burst and full auto not to exist.. If you could stick a 4-8x optic on the same calibre weapon no matter the platform you would improve your aim point

The biggest issue with this comparison is that LMGs are better at medium to close ranges as their viewfinder is made for that , ARs are more versatile with slightly less stopping power.

Can you test out bullet drop and damage of the other LMGs

put a shift short on lmg's in this game. you'll thank me later. also, 249>stoner. treat it like an m4 with more bullets. an lmg is better against armored enemies, enemies in cover, and when your friend blows up the unidad helo and and now you have to fight your way through unidad AND the cartel. when you absolutely, positively, need EVERYTHING dead, go maximum dakka.

I think the fact that the convoy between the LMG was apart compared to the aug, you didn’t use cover, and calking it up to just dying simply because you weren’t giving the same advantages as you did with the aug. personally I would say comparing them in such a way wasn’t fair due to how many factors that were human error and difference makes me think it was a purposeful misleading trick, not to mention only doing one test instead of say 2-3 doesn’t make for a fair test sample

I disagree about the Stoner's accuracy - while it does have less bullet drop and therefore is more accurate on the first shot, it also has more recoil so the second shot is more likely to miss.

really wish LMG's would get access to medium range sights because the simple close optics just don't give the weapon class any justice. in the end it will always be the argument of accuracy over rate and volume of fire

The proper way to compare both is using over the shoulder view , not through the viewfinder.

I’m sorry, but I only use the legendary scar.

But but ARs have grenade launchers

Does a short barrel lessen recoil?

I mean I like to use the lmgs but I rarely do only if I have tons of enemies attacking me Thought the stoner a1 would have better handling for having a silencer but nothing.

You can use an LMG like an assault rifle. I use the stoner often as my main and a sub machine gun as a secondary. You can't carry more ammo than this! I switch to the suppressed smg in close quarters. Where the LMG shines though is when shit goes to hell and a car full of bad guys screeches to a halt in front of you. You can immediately spray those assholes with bullets. Good chance you will survive.

Run them through drills convoys are too dynamic. There would be a lot of things I'd measure for that a single convoy couldn't give you.

Nice video man

Lol. Mk48, PKM, and the Bren are my favorites.

I've managed to ambush a convoy with unidad RPK, always suppressing the enemies and killingbthe faster I can, good for close-to-medium range combat, and recoil doesn't matter, if you control it the right way Now, vehicle destruction rate is not horrible but not the best, sure choppers win't stand a chance but armored land vehicles will be a little bit harder to destroy, just keep firing, for that GLs, Cuentista or BDC will do the work, even an AR or P90 doorkicker for example could work if not destroying the vehicle Why having a great fire rate while you will use it on short range? Kill the drivers and passengers with an SMG or a quick AR (FAMAS, M4A1,...) LMGs are good for ambushing enemies, killing all of them before they get out a car without reloading, that a P90 won't do but an SMG has a greater fire rate so you kill enemies faster but you'll reload a lot LMGs are for suppressing enemies and taking down big bunches of enemies

Stoner looks like the Smartgun from Aliens.

My favorite lmg is the one you get from the one casino province

#1? I think so

Does anyone even use LMGs?

Thank you!

LMGs are designed as support weapons

Well will anyone use an lmg or ar like u do against a convoy

Could you make an assault rifle loadout?

I use the M4 with a long barrel and acog.

shame the MG3 isnt in wildlands,just saying

MK-249's probably the best one imo.

4 shots :( mine takes 6 probs tier mode they used to take 4.. the M4A1 and the AUG is my favorite assault rifle

Spetsnaz soon?............pls

Seems as though ubisoft is holding the lmg down to keep it from being too op. If it had a scope with mag and a bipod for recoil control it'd be pretty nasty.

Lmg's are best for suppressing fire and as a fire support element for the other 3 members of your fire team..... almost like in real life, lol

*LMG, MOUNTED AND LOADED*

I prefer using the stoner lmg Just so I can suppress the Hispanics While being a stoner While *NOT* reloding

Best LMG is MK48. The rest of the LMGs jump around all over the place.....

i used to use LMG moved on to SR635 has same or better damage more accuracy over range LMG are useless over 100m SR635 is fine to 200m , biggest advantage LMG's is clip size but take heaps to reload SR635 only holds 30 rounds but super fast reload time, LMG are also slow to aim, just give it a try watched all your vids and you never used it once. mine built for going loud compM4, ext butt ,standard barrel,ext mag, V3 forgrip,compensator it will take out chopper in 10 rounds

Bro if your gonna shoot with that thing I'd suggest iron site

Love your videos bud! Keep it up! Also anyone here play seriously on Xbox?

The Stoner-63...definitely the worst LMG IMO! Stupid amount of recoil; completely unrealistic and that suppressor is a nice touch, but good God that thing is nearly as long as the weapon itself. I'll wait for the Mk48 and M249 videos. Others are good, but those the only two I like Lol Two things that piss me off with the LMGs in Wildlands (I'm completely blaming Ubisoft being IDIOTS): 1) suppressors on every other weapon but not on LMGs...WTF?? 2) shitty shitty selection of crap optics; no CompM4, no ACOG, no real viable optic... Ubisoft's way of thinkin is just stupid to me!

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Im pretty sure they're humvees not jeeps

Ok now do The Division

The higher one was the stoner

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I use my primitavo to take out helicopters

Get rid of the site and fire from the hip

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Sorry dude, there is nothing that could be called similar to have a fair test and no LMG’s are in no way ever more accurate as you stated they are a sustained automatic weapon for suppression

Compare an LMG with an AR (with the same mods) is stupid. you said yourself there are not many good optics for LMG´s and no one would play with "lesser" parts. So compare them with hte best you can equip, otherwise you downgrade the AR´s! Another strongsuit of AR´s is the grenade launcher. Sorry, i love LMG´s but they are trash in WIldlands in my oppinion.

Darkdally could u be my friend on the ps4

lmgs are a joke lol

It was your shitty shooting, when using the stoner you fired like a madman all over ther place as though you didn't want the stoner to be better plus is the stoner the best choice ?

Why don't you cut your videos when you're editing them so we don't have to watch you navigating the menus so much? Just get all the shots you need, then put them all together, slap some clean labels on it and BAM you got yourself a straight forward video.

Why do you still play this game

The first video of yours i've disliked