Ghoti - Failed Cards, Archetypes, and Sometimes Mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh 

It's almost like not every failed archetype is on the same degree of failure or something

It's Archetype Archive but with prejudice.

​@@quijassajiuq900 It's almost like your idea of "failure" isn't the same as DuelLogs' original theme for the series. It's almost like people can sort things into tiers, themes, consistency and viability without resorting to just labelling them as failures. It's almost like you don't even perceive the problem people have with the growing broadness of this channel's use of the term, let alone understand it. Eat a dick, mush-for-brains.

Especially given that there are plenty more actually failed archetypes that have yet to be covered.

That’s Yugioh now. If it isn’t in tier 3 or above, it’s failed

Is just him who say this 😅 Rougedecks are the most fun this is the important thing

that's how all competitive games work. At a tournament ONLY the best tactics and stratagy works. For casual there great, but for pros? There was always something with more dakka

Well in Duel Links, more decks have a lot of viability due to the slower pace of the game allowing for games to last beyond the first turn. Despite some rather overpowered skills (a common complaint), I find a ton of variety in deck building on PvP and find that most strategies that just don't cut it in the TCG or Master Duel are perfectly serviceable and even really good in Duel Links, and not just because of "meta chasing". They were careful not to add some of the most powerful searchers and negates and archetypes in the game that allow for cheese, and many of the comboes that do work are quickly banned or restricted, thanks to the mechanics of the ban list not just reducing the odds of a strategy working, but out right preventing it with another strategy (since you can only have 2 cards from the limited 2 ban list PERIOD, many archetypes end up being a choice of "either you can do this offensive strategy but have no defense, OR you can go with this defensive strategy but gotta tribute summon to get your main win condition on the field." thus balancing the game a lot more. Also, in Duel links, trap cards are extremely useful. They aren't too slow as not many cards can wipe out back row and even if they can, a lot of cards generate advantage even if they are destroyed in DL, meaning you'll see a lot more "Bluffing" to bait out spell destruction. Also spell/trap negates are EXTREMELY rare. So you can use most spell and traps pretty safely. Dark Bribe is literally one of the few one card spell negates you can always just plop down IF you draw it. Ergo, in more restricted formats (basically ones that don't have Tears...) you can play some solid games, but as much as people like to sh8t on Duel links cause they can't do 30 minute FTKs in the game (which is somehow more fair than "SKILLZ TO THRILLZ") it's arguably the best way for causal players to enjoy the game. Also the pay to win aspect is BS. I've spent like $30 TOTAL in the 5 years I've played the game. You can get SO many jewels for free just playing PvP regularly. There's NO penalty for losing, so I don't know where they get that foolishness.

Played since PSV, the game has always been like that. If it isn't Tier 0 and costs a month's rent to build, might as well run nothing but normal monsters. I never liked that attitude (even now that I have money and *could* build Snake-Eye but won't), but it is what it is

@@dragonkingofthestars never argued with that, nothing wrong with a competitive mindset and wanting to win especially when there's prizes to gain, the point is that the "casual" point of view basically doesn't exist anymore and it's ONLY competitive

Please, not Luca Paguro

Tuna PTSD.

Like what even is the criteria to be considered a failure here? this series used to be about unplayable doodoo, unfocused, unsynergistic archetypes and ill-conceived mechanics but now it seems like anything not meta relevant from release to right now qualifies, like, we got a former world champ in the series. Are we getting a "failed archetype: Snake-Eyes" 10 years from now? edit: changed Ishizu to Blue-Eyes because I forgot that was an April Fools video.

His channel is nothing but "Top X" and "Failed archetype". I bet he wanted to talk about Ghoti and just decided to reuse the same name he always does, never mind if it's accurate.

​@@HoveringAboveMyselfThe criteria is genuinely, literally just "This Archetype, if played pure, wouldn't be Meta". It's been increasingly obvious ever since his Video on Morphtronics, seeing how in that one Logs straight-up went "Morphtronics are a legitimately good Archetype, they just couldn't keep up with the Competetive Scene" in that one.

Agreed

thats the issue with players today...unless it has a garunteed one card starter and somone can clinch the match on thier first turn ,a deck is "garbage"

Speed, lack of support, never seen as competitive...

​@augustoortiz1254 it was and can turn 0 kill with ease. Idk what your thinking

It doesn’t even die to shifter

Thats the standard though. If it isn not some uninteractable archtype that are all towers and/or a 1 card you win it is trash

@@GrieveIV Yeah, but you still don't want to play shifter

Okay good I lost my mind for a second

Yeah I had to double check as well. You'd have thought this would have had a correction and been re-uploaded given how a good section of this was devoted to this missing timing thing that doesn't exist but nah, can't have that video performance loss for the almighty algorithm I guess 🤷

Maybe he confused with white aura whale, who has a When effect

The word if is on the card as he's talking about its "when" effect.

Why not?

What's next? Xyz? Fusion?

@@BmanZeroBlank pendulum?, link? Rush fish?

Because we are following the mission of our bussy lord MBT

@@randombadchannel8700 only if it smells like.....fish. 🐟

So many people don't understand that a deck wining once in a while doesn't make a "failed" archetype compared to the ones that consistently are good. It also doesn't mean it's trash tier either, just it never hit it's stride

As a fellow Ghoti player I can tell you you can snowball into madness by the 3rd turn if you have the right cards. I white aura whaled 3 TIMES a yubel player recently

If you can get sonpious , zep, and piics into circulation you are probably gunna win he game most likley

8 Herr​@@gerald216

I really like Logs videos but holy shit, ghoti of all the shitty decks out there and being a TCG exclusive deck that really try so hard to make something new and Fresh a failure. For real? The deck has Flaws but the deck has a solid gameplay, is not clunky, it doesnt brick themselve, have a good amount of starters, a massive and easy removal, good synchro options and non fish synchro option. The deck is a solid deck and have many strategies and plays around many things but YGO is a game about not letting people play and be One-sided thats why a deck that lacks of any form of prevent your opp to play the game is a failure eventhough you wipe and banish all the board, if you let your opp have a turn u fail.

Same! Had never even heard of this archetype before this video, but the art alone has me really appreciate this cool lil rogue archetype. Whoever did the art designs for these cards did an awesome job!

low key think deep beyond is has the best card art of any yugioh card

In a yugioh filled with bait wifus, Ghoti have an outstanding design, captures the deep sea fish alien aesthetic perfectly.

The artwork alone is what made me build it. This video is goofy. I went x-2 in Vegas Regionals with Ghoti. I think what he means by "Failed Archetype" is "not tier 1".

Not failures anymore.

r/woosh

@@amru2497 "It can't beat Tears so therefore it sucks" - Every modern yugioh youtuber.....

LMAOOOO

It's nor even rogue. It's meta. It's able to fish Synchro and banish on your opponents turn but do any Synchro on yours such as gymir, chengying, accel Synchro and more

​​@@nobody-xh6iicap, i love the fish and they are garbage, unnable to go second and die to 1 imperm/ash

@@nobody-xh6ii Meta? With all 2 of its top placements ever? 0 on the OCG? I love Ghoti, I play it with Icejade, but I would never call it anything better than Rogue after their new support and straight up unplayable before it

Yeah same lol

​@@Oxitono Dies to Ash? Wha? Summon Lifeless, gets Ashed. Activate Ready Fusion into Allvain and make Arion. Or 1f1 a Princess into Shif for Arionpos for setup even if Arion is negated. Fishborg reveal a tuner. Abyss Shark to search that and have materials for Coral.

Very true. He is quite a hypocrite about certain archetypes.

Im surprised he hasn’t called dark world a failure

duel logs better make a video about my life next week

@@humanyoutubeuser LMAO, funniest shit ever goddamn

That's because it's seen play with fable, thunder dragons and dangers​@@starwarzfan71

Bruhh

how do you get hit with 3k at once?

@@AnarchoCatBoyEthan the little ghotis(level 2) have 0 attack stats ,only defense value. Just tank a hit or purposely crash. I will be teching it from now on,really absurd. My friends will hate me now lol

I teched in Soul Absorption and Summoning Curse and some people will quit just off of that it's hilarious 😂😂😂. Makes me gain so many life points while boosting attack for Deep Beyond

Duel logs took an L with this video tbh

ok but they are actually pretty mid, probably the worst deck to get shoved into spright just to make spright worse

Its in my opinion a couple of cards away (they needs more spells maybe a continuous one that allows you to special summon a banished monster when one is banished) to be a great deck. Its in no way a failed archetype

@@evo3481 Yeah I agree and my joke at the beginning was definitely bad

It certainly is is the GOAT...i

@@PaperPilz You’re joke is better than mine 😂

@@rainbowdragon168 make all the jokes you can’t flounder

I watched his stream a while back about how he does these videos. He just reads off a script and records it into audacity. The video is usually made by someone else afterward. And he has people writing his scripts now too, which is why the tone of voice has changed wildly multiple times over the past year. The current writer(s) have a "le epic bacon" way of speaking sometimes, it's really annoying. The quality of this channel is plummeting and I partially blame Logs spreading himself too thin between tons of channels and his vtuber agency thing.

Considering my Master Duel experience, it's possible XD

Considering the fact that it came out as one of the worse archetypes at the time they where released, and failed to actually impact metas where the decks where based around the gy… ye it’s a big failure. This is coming from someone who bling’d out the deck too

It could be tbh xD

Lol they’re not nearly as bad as this, but it would be fine, they are a failed archetype, too easy to stop, and underpowered compared to its contemporaries. Cool new concept that didn’t get the support it needed, unlike other decks released alongside it.

Yeah I think people calling this deck kind-of a failure would be justified since half the cards are in fact garbage (I have ONLY seen near-pure Ghoti work in synchro events in MD where the banlist was heavy-handed enough to make it so you couldn't play full-power meta synchro decks, and also couldn't play Runick Ghoti or Superfishy Samurai.) But the main deck level 2s, Snopios, and the synchros (besides Guoglim lol) are legitimately good cards, arguably so is Psiics but I haven't played TCG format enough to test it out fully. Ghoti is rogue playable as an engine when paired with something else, but overall yeah pretty middling. Then again, Superheavy Samurai, when taken as a whole, is mostly made of bad cards, but the new support was so broken it needed multiple hits on the F/L list. So one could almost argue that archetype is a failure if you ignore a chunk of its cards and the fact that it's used more as an engine... same with Ghoti.

Why their field spell needed to be better Maybe a continuous spell card that can protect Ghoti’s in the gy

Obvious, but still a dumb move imo. Not to mention the people that genuinely defends the trolling.

I believe GHOTI came out way before ED

@@Salvare___000 I don't think so, because i remember when Ghoti fo the Deep Beyond was revealed people were making Elden Beast comparisons.

@@legeul they were apparently literally released at the same time lol

@@Salvare___000 Nope they weren't. I doube checked and Ghotis were a TCG exclusive, released in Power of the Elements in August 2022, a few months after Elden Ring came out, so there was enough time for the TCG to get inspired by the Elden Beast when designing Ghoti of the Deep Beyond.

@@legeul check again, ghoti were released in a pack which was released in april 2022, a mere month after ED

It’s been a joke of the English language for a long time.

It's actually an old meme

It's mentioned in every university-level English linguistics course.

Ghoti is basically the creative spelling of fish according to Google

Ghoti is suppose to make fun of how illogical the English language is. Now, the English Language is very dumb, but GHOTI is probably the most nonsensical way to go about proving it. It totally overlooks regional accents and I think that's why so many people still don't get it even after it's been explained. Silent Letters, Words that are pronounced the same but have different meanings depending on context, those are good examples that don't need nonsensical examples made up. Regional Accents are not. Every single language has them and there aint really anything to stop it from happening. In the case of Ghoti each letter is suppose to represent something, but the GH are the only ones that have any real legs. You're suppose to pronounce the "GH" sound like an "F" sound, but a lot of people don't do that. The more you attempt to explain it to someone who doesn't have that accent, the less sense the whole thing makes. the GH is suppose to sound like Rough, but Rough doesn't sound anything like Fish.

Yeah it's a bit too much. "Failed archetype" should be use for archetype that are noticeable bad, not for a rogue deck (+ Ghoti is an archetype that have a fun concept)

​@@Animexdraco True, tbf a lot of the decks I see in this video series fall in that category. No surprise it's my least favorite of all his video series. Dude really needs to reconsider his concept of "failed card and mechanic"

@@leojamesquiambao1047 At first it feel coherent but now it's more "If it was not meta tiered then it's failed"

@@leojamesquiambao1047 hes just triggering the fanbase, one archetype at the time, and it works.

The whole point of the series is to highlight deck archetypes that have interesting gimmicks/playstyles that failed to do much in a tournament setting.

​@@isoxj1810 But they have multiple Regional tops. By that logic Memento and Centur-Ion are already failures, because they don't consistently win major tournaments. That's like saying Gold Pride is a failed deck because they didn't warp the format around themselves

@@isoxj1810 simp harder you L

@@isoxj1810 lol, the point of the serie is to trigger playerbase for views, and there you are taking it srly hahaha Centur-ion never topped regionals, is a failure, am i rite?! hahahaha

@@Druid-T Regionals =/= YCS, no one plays serious at regionals, earlier this year everyone though Snake-Eyes wasnt the best deck because of its low regionals tops just for it to have more than 60% on top32 on the next YCS

I mean thats not saying much when you can play them together

They’re also two completely different decks

He counts Ishizu as a failed deck because they were so overtuned to the point of all of them getting limited or banned. The only place they failed was in being well designed and balanced cards. Tournament results wouldn’t be any kind of objective.

true it definitely got me to comment and boost in the algorithm lol

Plus fish Synchro on the opponents turn and gymir, chengying and more on yours. No issues

Deck is trash stop the cope, what top decks are you talking about? This deck has never and will never do anything

@@marlonb.4017 I mean I've smoked full combo Snake-Eyes, Yubel, and some Fiendsmith nonsense with it. But then again you have your opinion and I have mine. I don't care about your opinion as much as you don't mine, so exit stage right please. 😊

So why arent you winning YCS back to back then?

@@gabrielgois8724 because I don't do tournaments? And just because a deck can wipe out good decks if played right doesn't always mean they WILL always wipe top decks. There's bound to be a sour spot here or there.

I've tried it out in simulators, it's not good enough. The big problem is that they need something better than Askaan and Deep Beyond as boss monsters/disruption. Having other extenders and minor disruption is nice, but not nearly enough

Yes please

TLDR: GHOTI GOOD

Released "The Metaphys Archetype - Failed Cards and Mechanics in Yu-Gi-Oh" last year! It's also failed!

@@lilykoizumi Hah! I didn't know he released that. Yeah, they are worse than Ghoti for sure. I love them though.

Who cares about your sub ghoti is shit

it can play under shifter but Arianpos gets screwed by Shifter and Snopios needs fish in the grave to be able to recur itself, and you never want to run multiple Snopios since it's very searchable thanks to Arianpos, so half of the deck's recursion loop doesn't work under Shifter. but it can hang in there decently well for the two turns of Shifter, better than most decks. ironically, though, decks like Vanquish Soul do better running Shifter than Ghoti does, and Vanquish Soul gets nothing out of its cards getting banished. it's always pathetic when a banishing deck sometimes doesn't want Shifter active

a macro would be toxic, we don't need fish-rise heart. plus that would make using ASS Dragon with it harder. honestly we just need better fish synchros to go into, there's only one playable one besides the Ghotis (White Aura Whale; none of the other White Aura synchros are worth the ED space IMO.) it's nice that it synergizes well with Chengying and that it can make Icejade Gymr easily, but neither of them are fish type so they can't be made with the quick synchro from the main deck tuners. Chengyng you can quick synchro with Hop-Ear Squadron and Gymr you can quick synchro with ASS Dragon and the main deck duners, but what would be nice would be a fish synchro that has an omni negate (Baronne de Fish or Borreload Savage Fish lmao) so the deck has something to go into besides the board wipe, especially since (if you play it right) the Deep Beyond wipe can trigger some on-banish effects and let you make Arianpos or something. Imagine if they had a level 6 or 8 synchro that let you banish a fish from your hand to quick effect omni negate on a SOPT, or just a generic HOPT omni negate on a level 10 fish synchro. That'd make the deck come together, as it would be an extra interaction that wouldn't let you put up a huge board of negates (at least in the TCG where the good generic synchro negates are now banned.)

Rly? Care to share some advice, tips or which white aura to include? I want to finish my Ghoti deck

​@@aceclover758 white sardine, white sunfish and white reïncarnation in the deck. White aura whale and white aura porpoise in the extra deck is almost mandatory. White aura monoceros is a card some include.

@@xraztecx Nice!! Ill take that advice. It’s just currently, Ghoti arent that good. I haven’t even lost to one Ghoti deck since the unfutonate thing is they are easy ti interrupt They need a new continuous spell card that prevents their effects from being responded too

Fish Synchro on opponents turn, gymir, accel synchro, chenying and such on yours. Not slow at all

Not on its own, but it does have one. The White Aura stuff can let you make Dragite without sacrificing any Ghoti set-up, and before that, Runick was a good way to get non-tuners while facilitating the Bystials and gaining other interruptions. Pure Ghoti definitely isn't the strongest, but "failed" is a stretch