Breath of fresh air watching your reviews. Honest and to the point. You have Mafell kit, as a RU-vidr it is you sworn duty to say not as good as my, insert name here….. Have a good ‘24, looking forward to watching more BBB
Hi I have the Triton bobbin only version a d it does a good job. I found you need to tighten the nut a bit more to get it to compress the rubber mandrel to hold the sanding sleave. As for the concave platten could you not make a slightly thicker plate from ali or steel instead of using epoxy. As I'd have concerns that the friction from the belt may soften the resin causing it to ruin the belt. Anyway really interesting video 👍 keep them coming.
Yeah, I can see the idea of tightening to sort of squishing the bobbin working. I'll try it. To my surprise, there's very little heat generated behind the belt. Barely warm after using it for 30-40 mins. The epoxy will be fine . I'll keep an eye on it at first though.👍
Cheers. Kind of frustrating with these budget machine that, for the sake of saving a few quid, they keep otherwise capable machines from being excellent 🤷♂️
Good review. Honest and not biased. Like you say got to have realistic expectations of a budget machine. Personally I think even if you get the epoxy to key, the heat generated sanding will cause it to get gummy . I know its a thermoset but I can't see it coping well with a belt rubbing against it. I'm no expert though.
Cheers mate. There's really not much heat generated behind the belt even after half hour use, so I think the epoxy would be fine. I'll give it another go and, if it is an issue, at least I'll have a flat surface to stick something else to.👍
Great review - Surely the simplest approach is for the platten to be swapped with shop made replacement. It seems quite simple in terms of machining a new steel or aluminium plate. That said, you could probably do with a graphite pad behind the belt too. On my axminster combined belt and disc sander (reviewed on my channel) this wasn't supplied originally, but later after a probably a ton of complaints from customers was supplied as a retro-fit and dramatically improved both the performance (no stalling) and the flatness of the platten. Something to think about. Overall I can't think in regards to these machines that a) is there a way I can spend just a little more to get a better table and slot for a gauge and a less cheap feeling product (probably no), b) Are bobbins on a drill press on a shop made jig/table the better way forward for internal radius's (radii for pedants). Look forward to the next!
Cheers. The plate is a pressed steel affair that forms a frame from which a casting and rollers mount. Wouldn't be straightforward at all to swap out for something flat belt side. But yeah, again, it seems that, for the sake of a few quid saved, a handy machine falls short of excellent. I think the rigid machines (v similar) in the US have a mitre slot. Would be a good addition. I still think these machines with their small size and varied function are great small workshop additions. I have a set of drill mount bobbin but I think the oscillation gives a much more even, controllable finish. I appreciate scheppach reaching out but I don't think I'll be reviewing anymore budget gear.
Good review. I have exactly the same - and as others say; the backing plate lacks big time! I’m currently considering a backing plate from Festool belt sanders - or making one in steel or aluminium - cause as you say, we like to sand flat and not concave😅 I regret selling my combined disc/belt sander.. much quieter than this - but it has its strengths as a bobbin sander no doubt.
The back plate issue is a real bummer. I have been looking for a suitable and small machine for a long time, but this flaw makes the machine unusable. Thank you for pointing this out.
Still really useful for me personally, cleaning up my aly components. But yeah, the back plate issue does sort of rule out say, cleaning up or dialling in mitres. I'll fix it though.👍
I'm thinking a bit of car body filler with a thin stainless steel plate bonded on top. It would block access to the screws, but I think I can live with that.
I have the Sheppach grinder linisher. It also runs too fast. With speed control it would have been pretty useful. That edge sander needs a flat plate. That is essential. With most Chinese products I have bought there has been at least one significant failure. They need to learn like the Japanese haveFor woodwork I wouldn’t be without my Axminster edge sander. It’s decades old and still works just fine.
@@jimbo2629 Yeah, these budget products often get so close to being not just excellent value, but also just excellent. Yet there's always a some flaw in the design. Like the one I point out here, usually something so easily sorted that needn't add much cost at all. I had a similar experience with the Scheppach dp50 drill I reviewed. 🤷♂️
that looks identical to the triton machine that i bought about three years ago. i found that your choice of belt manufacturer can have a significant effect on the accuracy of your work
My replacement belts (240 and 320 for aly) are certainly much better but won't help with accuracy if the backing plate itself isn't flat. I'll try again and fix that soon enough. 👍
I think even if these machines look identical they may have some differences in components. It's like planer thicknessers, there's a whole bunch of brands that have a product that looks identical and probably come out the same factory, but some perform better than others.
I've had a look at several versions of this machine, from Clarke, Sealey, Triton etc, and they all seem to be exactly the same. I have the bobbin sander variant And have always fancied the belt sander version, but they do seem to suffer from a variety of flaws that affect their accuracy. A lot seem to suffer from a wobble in the belt motion, that leaves a slightly convex edge on the work. I live in hope that one day I might find one that works properly straight out of the box, like the Rigid machine that they have in the States.
Yeah, scheppach and triton have been making these quite some time now. There'd about 6 brands I counted all selling the same machine. The US rigid has the same issue that these do - the backing plate is pressed steel and won't be flat. The rigid does have a mitre slot though but, again, pointless if the backing plate isn't flat - which it won't be. Don't know if you made it to the end of my vid but I did attempt (unsuccessfully) to fix this. I'll try again and update soon. A flat backing plate for the belt would really lift the machines potential!
To flatten the plate, do not use epoxy. Think about it, the belt back gets hot, epoxy gets soft when it gets hot. Not a good mix. Perhaps try drilling a few holes in the plate then using bog (car body filler) fill it up to roughly flat, then take that back with sanding. The holes are so that the bog has a chance of holding on and not winding up in the dust collector. The only other addition is a graphite platen between the flat bog surface and the belt. This will reduce friction and make your belts last much longer. One knocked off an old belt sander will probably do the trick. When done you should be golden.
Not all epoxies are equal bud. As I mentioned in the vid, I was using EL2. It's a laminating resin for carbon and the like. Very thermally stable. More so than abs in fact. It's quite different from epoxies people use for resin tables etc. I do however have a Makita plate on order, so the epoxy will just be the glue/leveller. 👍
Change the color of the plastic, slap a new label on it and this machine is available all around the world at various price points. Nice basic machine.
Aside from the back plate issue, they really nice, useful machines. I honestly had no idea just how many brands this machine is sold under before editing this video!
LIdl sells a Parkside machine, the PSSO 500 A1, which is almost identical. And at the moment it's on sale for only €100. It only uses a band of 620x100, which seems to be a pain, and should be changed by 610x100. Anyways, thanks for your review; it makes me buy the parkside. ;)
@@BischBaschBosch yeah was looking at the Lidl one too, but in another video it shows that the bar of the spindle (drum sander) is out of balance. Several other comments had the same issue. Didnt see that on the other brands.....
@@stoney268 Balance seems alright on this Scheppach one. Maybe Lidl cut an extra corner to bring the price down🤷♂️ That said, most of the Parkside listings I found (that's the Lidl brand right?) were for €199. If that's the rrp, it's not even any cheaper really than the brands I show. In which case, if they had a balance issue, might have just been a bad batch.
@@BischBaschBosch I bought it for 100 euro. Seems to be alright only I cant push too hard on the belt because its easy to stop the motor, feels like less than the 450W. One big difference I think is the backplate of the beltsander, its one piece without bolts. It has one hole for I dont know what reason :) So no issues like you had with the backplate. Also I didnt see any wobble... But it doesnt feel that powerfull when I can easily stop the motor...
I have the Triton variant. For my level of bodgery it’s grand. Could you mount a rectangular aluminium plate onto the pressed steel plate using the same tapped holes that are on it? I don’t think it would need to be very thick. Even with a thin plate, you could use an epoxy pour between the new plate and the pressed steel plate as a bespoke packer - the epoxy wouldn’t need to adhere to either surface - it would be mechanically fixed around the screws.
I have thought about doing that but I don't really want to add any thickness, so as to overshoot the rollers if you know what I mean. Even the 3mm aly plate I have would noticeably stand off. The epoxy alone will be alright next go I think. 🤞
Fair enough mate. I try and keep my tests/reviews honest and this can make the bad stand out as much as the good. Hopefully, scheppach will take this feedback and sort the backplate!