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Gil's Arena DESTROYS JJ Redick For Disrespecting Michael Jordan as Gilbert Arenas & The Gil's Arena Crew react to JJ saying that MJ's era was watered down compared to today and debate if the NBA media is on a mission to discredit old hoopers and pave the way for LeBron to over take the NBA Goat Debate.
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@kuunami
@kuunami 20 дней назад
I don't understand what this obsession is with discrediting Michael Jordan these days.
@lcasanova2546
@lcasanova2546 20 дней назад
CAUSE THEY WANT HIS ATTENTION AND BAITING HIM TO SPEAK OUT IN RETALIATION...
@mothedon3599
@mothedon3599 20 дней назад
To put LBJ over MJ
@SirrLamee
@SirrLamee 20 дней назад
⁠@@lcasanova2546no one thinks MJ is going to respond to them cuz he hasn’t done that in decades pal. Why do people discredit Lebron? Why do people discredit Kobe? Y’all just be waffling
@DracoTheDragonSlayer
@DracoTheDragonSlayer 20 дней назад
Lebron is about to retire and they want him to have a valid goat case and the majority of people on social media now are not old enough to see MJ play
@naimjustjokin_
@naimjustjokin_ 20 дней назад
90s aren’t as good as everyone says they were. That’s not discrediting anything accomplished back then, it’s being realistic.
@88rkinlaw
@88rkinlaw 16 дней назад
If any era is watered down, it's this one. Play -ins. In season tournaments. Load management. Traveling/Carrying. Klutch sports clients all over the NBA and media.
@jamesh6516
@jamesh6516 14 дней назад
Facts bunch of wimps in today’s league anyway
@strifefresh3998
@strifefresh3998 14 дней назад
That part
@staceytaylor2652
@staceytaylor2652 14 дней назад
And throw in 2 way players in today's league. Is that top talent.
@bigdogmalik1972
@bigdogmalik1972 13 дней назад
Why can't they ALL be great n just leave it at that? 🤷🏿
@iknowsports6366
@iknowsports6366 13 дней назад
That klutch sports line brought out all the lebron hate in you lol
@wileyschmitt
@wileyschmitt 17 дней назад
Jordan also had a GM who sabotaged a potential 4+ peat.
@1D4ever
@1D4ever 13 дней назад
Facts 💯
@cremephoto
@cremephoto 12 дней назад
The league bribed, to democratize winning 🥇
@justlee5190
@justlee5190 3 дня назад
George Karl and chip Kelly. The worst coaches in professional sports history
@blade4174
@blade4174 3 дня назад
how did he dow as a gm?
@wileyschmitt
@wileyschmitt 3 дня назад
@@blade4174 Who cares.
@jalenad11
@jalenad11 15 дней назад
They added 6 teams for a total of 72 roster spots over MJ's era. In 2006 (the year JJ got drafted), the in-active list was added which made room for 3 extras on each of the 30 teams. That's 90 extra roster spots. By JJ's logic, his own era was more watered down than MJ's.
@ByronJohnsonpodcast
@ByronJohnsonpodcast 10 дней назад
Wow excellent point, but he'll never bring that up
@mikevick9581
@mikevick9581 10 дней назад
Adding 3 ppl to an extra roster doesn't really change. But when you're adding extra teams, adding players to those teams w no experience of nba play, and you playing them as competition for a title. The extra 3 in 06 still don't really even play
@zayytesla
@zayytesla 6 дней назад
Ehhh that’s basically just reserves lol you got that on any team even in little league
@tarrellsmith3260
@tarrellsmith3260 2 дня назад
@@mikevick9581They drafted from other teams. How did adding teams make players inexperienced?😂 You’re telling me these teams drafted nothing but rookies?😭
@donaldclemons3181
@donaldclemons3181 2 дня назад
No! they drafted from other teams. The players deserved to be in the league. Look at the expansion grizzlies team.
@superchadmarcogaming
@superchadmarcogaming 20 дней назад
Its always gonna be hard to argue against the guy with two 3peats. MJ kept Hall of Famers from getting rings, while everybody got a ring off Lebron head.
@lancehood7916
@lancehood7916 20 дней назад
Kept hall of famers prime hall of famers? Who other than Scottie was in their prime ? Back then 30 was old.
@denowattley6602
@denowattley6602 19 дней назад
Mick also worked with 2 other hall of famers on each of them.
@lancehood7916
@lancehood7916 19 дней назад
@@denowattley6602 im sorry Kucoc did what in the NBA? Rodman. Was past his prime. Scottie was drafted to the Bulls. Lebron had guys averaged 26 and 12 before, and back then age 30 was considered old that was one of many reasons he retired.
@alexandermarquez2177
@alexandermarquez2177 18 дней назад
@@lancehood7916 sure keep telling yourself that. You might eventually believe your own bullshit. Jordan is the GOAT in any era…deal with it
@lancehood7916
@lancehood7916 18 дней назад
@@alexandermarquez2177 Jordans my Goat as well your comment looked like you were saying he had a bunch of help
@rusone2516
@rusone2516 20 дней назад
MFs out here taking 5 steps with no traveling call. But this is the best Basketball era.
@sebastianlang6314
@sebastianlang6314 20 дней назад
Skill wise yes by a long shot look at just the spacing from 2013 to now shooting is a skill the nba implemented euro rules where you get a gather step before your 2 steps
@rusone2516
@rusone2516 20 дней назад
@@sebastianlang6314 You just described one way the NBA watered the rules down to artificially advance the game and enhance viewership... And the skills you're talking about are based on the past. NBA trainers look at the things that worked and didn't work the last 10 years for former NBA players. And train current players to do the moves that work. So those advanced skills are only there because of people watching the past. So I do agree offensive skills are at a all time high. But I also understand that it's based on the watering down of officiating and NBA rules. Allowing NBA level athletes more freedom of movement and space.
@rusone2516
@rusone2516 20 дней назад
@@sebastianlang6314 When was the last time you seen a ref call carry or traveling? Not blaming players I'm just saying. This is a watering down of the rules that makes players look more skilled and increases scoring.
@conchobar
@conchobar 20 дней назад
Last time I checked, double dribbling, traveling, and carrying the ball shows a lack of skill. Players today get a gather step, but the refa srill refuse to call steps in adition to the gather step. That simply a lack of the most basic basketball skills. The skill players have today is greater shooting, but it comes at the expense of proper ball handling and defense. Look at the 2004 Pistons, a modern team that played locked down defense. 2020 teams and players simply lack that
@sebastianlang6314
@sebastianlang6314 20 дней назад
@@rusone2516 I’ve seen it this playoffs and the play in and the regular season. Every single man on the roster can contribute on offense back then they had dudes who couldn’t do anything and was there just to foul. Remember how everyone reacted when kd was about to go to the league now everyone has kd skill set the game evolved perfect offense always trumps perfect defense
@fitzroymarcano4565
@fitzroymarcano4565 18 дней назад
The end arguement killed me.... lebum drove with his headlights off and hit somebody while MJ and Kobe hunted u down through a forest.... pretty accurate discription..... i'd add that they did it while letting u know they coming for u
@blackhorowitz5179
@blackhorowitz5179 5 дней назад
5 rings. Kobe was the best player twice Lol foh
@YdotMessiah
@YdotMessiah 17 дней назад
Period. Mike, Kobe, and A.i. killer instant alone motivated and inspired millions of kids to pick up a basketball and play. I've never been in a gym, and heard anyone yell LeBron while driving to the basket, passing, or flopping. Lol their greatness alone still inspire generation after generation. Some imprints left on the game just can't be matched
@jetplanevalentine3791
@jetplanevalentine3791 17 дней назад
We're witnessing it now with Anthony Edwards. I think he's next up.
@adeboandrew6044
@adeboandrew6044 16 дней назад
you cant replicate what lebron does with that ball!!!
@ferdievicmudo3693
@ferdievicmudo3693 14 дней назад
MJ, Kobe and AI are my favorite player because the way they play makes you want to play basketball
@JerryP-vg2bk
@JerryP-vg2bk 14 дней назад
You sound stupid
@homechefbbq3246
@homechefbbq3246 13 дней назад
You're speaking the truth, bro. I want to be Mike and kobe. They inspired many filipinos to pick up the basketball and play. Even today, Jordan and Kobe are still inspired by many filipinos.
@Yohn-Yohn_Ephraim
@Yohn-Yohn_Ephraim 20 дней назад
Why is everyone forgetting about Kareem? 3 National Championships 6 NBA Championships 6 MVP’s
@Augrills
@Augrills 20 дней назад
Kareem was never in the goat debate until they wanted the scoring record to matter for Lebron’s goat case
@elai3147
@elai3147 20 дней назад
@@Augrillsgrowing up in the 80s kareem was definitely in the goat debate, we just didn’t call it that back then, nobody considered jordan until he started winning, even now some still do argue 33 is the goat
@Yohn-Yohn_Ephraim
@Yohn-Yohn_Ephraim 20 дней назад
Exactly… I’m 46 and grew up in Chicago watching us get whooped by Detroit for the longest. I remember they always had questions about MJ..can he play Defense? Can he win Defensive POY? Can he shoot consistently? Can he make teammates better? He checked all the boxes, but it took time. Kareem, Magic, Bird, Isaiah were already established. My 2 best are MJ and Kareem!!! Everyone else is a tier below in my opinion.
@lilpronto3627
@lilpronto3627 20 дней назад
Won’t be compared until wemby starts winning and getting rings, they compare by similarities and position for the most part… you’ll never hear James harden getting compared to Anthony Davis etc
@shamirbrown8160
@shamirbrown8160 20 дней назад
Because it's fan base vs. Fan Base (not actually player vs. Player comparison).
@trumoomoo
@trumoomoo 20 дней назад
McCants is proving the fundamental flaw in the goat debate. Some people are answering the question of who’s the best, and some people are answering the question of who they like more.
@uncleb7821
@uncleb7821 20 дней назад
6 rings in 13 years. 4 rings in 21 years and counting. What’s the debate?
@bliine
@bliine 20 дней назад
​@@uncleb7821they don't get it
@cleanfire2948
@cleanfire2948 20 дней назад
@@uncleb7821 bill russell 11 rings in 13 years whats the debate?
@trumoomoo
@trumoomoo 20 дней назад
@@uncleb7821 11 rings in 13 years… if that’s how we’re deciding you’re right there is no debate it’s Bill Russell and it’s not close
@moeketsimolai7374
@moeketsimolai7374 20 дней назад
​@uncleb7821 so we're only comparing rings? We are not looking at the total resume? Which includes the non championship seasons as well as measuring their competition
@robbd7011
@robbd7011 16 дней назад
McCants had me rollin with that serial killer analogy! Hahahaha... "FBI ain't looking for you. He didn't mean it" 😂😂😂😂
@Magicsmilesphotobooth
@Magicsmilesphotobooth 17 дней назад
The league wasn't watered down. They had an expansion draft. It was a draft of players already in the league.
@NostalgikOne
@NostalgikOne 15 дней назад
JJ clearly doesn’t comprehend how an expansion draft works
@rpbns
@rpbns 10 дней назад
The league was exactly watered down because of that. JJ is right that they added new players to the league but the number is 72 not 90. Expansion draft means they took players from existing teams so now other teams had to replace players with people who weren't currently playing in the NBA. Expansion draft didn't change the fact 72 new roster spots were created it just means they were spread across various teams. So the new teams stunk for a few years (in the case of the Grizzlies, 9 years) and the new teams had a moratorium on how high they could pick in the lottery so the new teams were guaranteed to be bad for a few years. Now other teams lost depth because of the expansion draft so yes, the league was watered down.
@itsmeflacko1618
@itsmeflacko1618 День назад
​@@rpbnsthey didn't lose depth if those guys were still in the league they were getting rid of guys who weren't playing anyway. It's not like teams went from 15 men to 9 lol they would still have like 12/13 players and they would just pick up new bench warmers that didn't play 🤷. You can say it was weaker because those players were now starters and didn't deserve to be but watered down is just not factual. Everyone drafted was already an NBA player
@rpbns
@rpbns День назад
​@@itsmeflacko1618 This is a ridiculous take. If you create 72 new nba jobs, which is what happens when you add 6 teams, those 72 players are made up of dudes who weren't in the NBA. Doesn't matter if you scatter those new 72 players around across all the teams. If you lost the 8th best player on your team, everyone else moves up and the last guy is replaced by someone who wasn't even in the league. Add to that you now have teams created to fail for years. That waters down the league.
@itsmeflacko1618
@itsmeflacko1618 День назад
@@rpbns that's where you and JJ are wrong. They didn't gain 72 new players, all of the players were already in the league or about to be drafted to the league or free agents. Think of the Charlotte bobcats, their first roster was a bunch of NBA guys that teams either had on expiring contracts or just didn't want like Gerald Wallace and Jason kapono. Then they drafted emeka the next year, there's nobody stepping in from off the street to play. Think about it like this, if they made an expansion team today it would have players like thanasis and Jeff Green and boban, etc. guys who are in the NBA but nobody really wants or cares for
@Rumble225-qe7fy
@Rumble225-qe7fy 20 дней назад
Like how they glossed over him saying Kobe averaging 35 is no big deal 😂 May not be big deal nowadays but back then defence was still alive.
@deejayy8303
@deejayy8303 20 дней назад
Facts! Raja the arch nemesis 😂
@FS-wk3zx
@FS-wk3zx 20 дней назад
He had to go up against the Kobe stopper Ruben Patterson
@AMC12345
@AMC12345 19 дней назад
Also don't forget how bad that Lakers team was.....he was chucking shots like he Bradley Beal in Washington
@alexurbins3592
@alexurbins3592 18 дней назад
​@@AMC12345 He was shooting like 47-48% field goal percentage while being a double team, which is really efficient . Also, if you really watched laker games he always shot whent clock was about to expire or every quarter chucking it got lucky. If you notice NBA doesn't do that as much because over 82 it drops your percentage for 3 pointers.
@dtg0342
@dtg0342 18 дней назад
💯
@aiyachristian
@aiyachristian 20 дней назад
What's funny is that all these Bron fans claim that 90s was full of "plumbers" but yet in todays NBA literally no one can dribble a basketball without double dribbling, carrying, or traveling
@Nysdaddy
@Nysdaddy 18 дней назад
@ai… That’s just a scary level of delusion… to try and slight the 90’s to by default prop up Lebron. It’s like they didn’t even watch his career. 03-04 - no playoffs 04-05 - no playoffs 05-06 Chauncey, Rip, ‘Sheed, 06-07 TDuncan, Ginobili, Finley, BB 07-08 KG, PPierce, Ray Allen 08-09 - 09-10 KG, PPierce, *Ray Allen 10-11 JKidd, Dirk 90’s players are the biggest reason why Lebron didn’t end his season with a win til almost a decade in (2012)… why he started 0-2 in the Finals… and also *why he did not start 1-4. Lebron didn’t get his first win in the Finals til ‘12 when he played OKC… and what kind of roster did OKC have, a no 90’s players roster.
@Nysdaddy
@Nysdaddy 18 дней назад
He didn’t start win-ing til those (and other) 90’s players (Shaq, Kobe) were all older and outta the way/done winning.
@relltheman6884
@relltheman6884 18 дней назад
The plumbers quote was for the 50s and 60s 70s era not the 90s
@Papa_Static
@Papa_Static 18 дней назад
Literally no one says the 90s, it's pre merger that JJ and people who make that point are talking about. And it's because they were literally plumbers, back then the players had to have other jobs, some of which was plumbing.
@mordakie3805
@mordakie3805 17 дней назад
Huh?
@Xtremeproducts
@Xtremeproducts 17 дней назад
Gil is confusing himself when he’s talking about comparison. 😂 🤣
@lmka8949
@lmka8949 13 дней назад
For Gilbert Arernas, being articulate means being loud 😂
@peacemaker4829
@peacemaker4829 20 дней назад
Bron fans always want to say that the rings are a team accomplishment, but then say that Bron made it to 8 straight finals like that isn't a team accomplishment 😂
@masonbg6
@masonbg6 18 дней назад
Because he carried to get to a lot of those like 07 and 18
@Noluvcitykezo
@Noluvcitykezo 18 дней назад
Because everybody who really watch basketball nd don’t get Dey opinion frm highlights nd instagram kno Lebron literally had to carry his franchise y do ppl like to ignore that fact🤦‍♂️
@perennialviralbasketball24
@perennialviralbasketball24 17 дней назад
2 of 10 not a lot man..lol​@@masonbg6
@perennialviralbasketball24
@perennialviralbasketball24 17 дней назад
​@Noluvcitykezo all the greats carried their franchise
@jfearless3420
@jfearless3420 17 дней назад
Great point!!!!
@problembaby5855
@problembaby5855 20 дней назад
Jordan never had to pay ppl to put him in the goat conversations..
@cjpe2265
@cjpe2265 20 дней назад
SA and skip: hell yeah.
@yungesjosef
@yungesjosef 20 дней назад
The league did it for him
@212keith
@212keith 20 дней назад
Lol they labeled him the goat after 91 with only one ring…. The nba marketed the hell out of jordan they needed to continue the magic and larry viewership….. jordan brought those viewers in
@mlackland7796
@mlackland7796 20 дней назад
​@@212keith, true, but I'm from that era AND Chicago when MJ came in. Jordan came in and SHOCKED the LEAGUE. No coverage like now, no Internet, the league had NO IDEA he'd avg 28 pts, dunking on everybody, he was DIFFERENT. EVRYONE SAW IT. No one moved like Jordan. ON THE COURT, EVERYONE could see the explosiveness, athleticism, hang time, grace, Competitiveness, the charisma, the cockiness, no one did it better. He's the TEMPLATE of every player now in the intangibles
@dennisbobo6792
@dennisbobo6792 20 дней назад
Neither did Kobe
@jackers245
@jackers245 15 дней назад
It never ceases to amaze me at the ignorance stated often on here. No woman or Jenner was drafted during Jordan's era. That was in the mid-70s when teams did things to get attention, never planning on playing them, but instead to get some short term publicity!
@NDnf84
@NDnf84 13 дней назад
Most of this clip sounds ignorant and incoherent.
@redskinsxvii
@redskinsxvii 5 дней назад
That was Gil's point. That BEFORE Jordan's reign you had a bunch of pointless drafted players. He never said it was in the 90s.
@Saveahorse82
@Saveahorse82 15 дней назад
The rules are so loose now. Remember A.I. use to get called for traveling sometimes when he introduced the modern cross over. Gather steps and euro steps was traveling back in Jordans day. Now you barely have to dribble the basketball lol. It is a totally different game. It was way harder to scroe back then. You had to pull up after one dribble. No step back, gather step to create separation.
@IknowMoreThanYou
@IknowMoreThanYou 20 дней назад
Funny how as soon as people align themselves with Bron they start 🧢n
@anthonyw895
@anthonyw895 20 дней назад
Kobe studied Jordan's defense before he made it to the NBA, Payton added hand placement to it
@SnoGo902
@SnoGo902 20 дней назад
So
@kingscopio843
@kingscopio843 18 дней назад
Facts
@TomCruz54321
@TomCruz54321 15 дней назад
People forget to mention those expansion teams became playoff teams in a really short amount of time: Orlando Magic - Shaq and Penny (playoff team) Charlotte Hornets - Alonzo Mourning, Larry Johnson, Glenn Rice (playoff team) Miami Heat - Alonzo Mourning (traded from Charlotte), Tim Hardaway (playoff team) Minnesota Timberwolves - Kevin Garnett, Stephon Marbury (playoff team) Toronto Raptors - Damon Stoudamire, Vince Carter (playoff team) Compare those teams to the tanking teams of today, which of them is watering down the league?
@cbreezy2091
@cbreezy2091 14 дней назад
Kendall Gill was on that Charlotte team too.
@frankkastler
@frankkastler 13 дней назад
Gil criticized JJ for not being accurate, then credits MJ’s defense to Phil Jackson. MJ won his Defensive Player of the Year with Doug Collins as his HC.
@celebneilz1023
@celebneilz1023 20 дней назад
Nah fuck all dat , did homie in the beginning say “ABOUT THE GOAT DICC” 😂😂😂
@hashtagselfie
@hashtagselfie 20 дней назад
😂😂😂
@whatdadogdoin8457
@whatdadogdoin8457 20 дней назад
100% said that
@GhostMcGrady
@GhostMcGrady 20 дней назад
lmao ah wtf
@AnitaHanjaaab
@AnitaHanjaaab 20 дней назад
Lmfaooo bro I just said the same shit. Lmaooo wtf?!
@loloyal888
@loloyal888 20 дней назад
😂😂😂😂
@thomasturner5225
@thomasturner5225 18 дней назад
Playing with everyone at your camps got me in tears 😂 Bron really had damn near players as kids from his camps on most his squads thru out his career. Crazy fact lmao
@michellesummer6926
@michellesummer6926 18 дней назад
Its way too much respect for Bron out there lol
@felixalfaro3119
@felixalfaro3119 17 дней назад
Like who? Yall be yapping yet giving no names. Brons whole issue with Cleveland is no one wanting to go there lmfao worst from office of all time
@bigcohiba298
@bigcohiba298 13 дней назад
And Shaq is right Kobe should be in the conversation
@thomasturner5225
@thomasturner5225 13 дней назад
@@bigcohiba298 everytime he should be. JJ Redick perception of basketball is good at times but he not on que with this one.
@bigcohiba298
@bigcohiba298 13 дней назад
@@thomasturner5225 I think he overrated tbvh. Basketball is basketball it's not nuclear physics, it's not brain surgery but a lot of times he tries to sound like basketball is more complex than it is and that already makes him an ineffective communicator or teacher of the game. Guys like him would be humbled pretty quickly if they got into coaching
@jonq8714
@jonq8714 17 дней назад
I grew up in the 90's, I remember what the game was going into the decade and what it was going out of the decade... there is no debate for me... I know who I'm rolling with.
@USSOBRIEN
@USSOBRIEN 17 дней назад
Players drafted during this so-called watered down era: Shaquille O'Neal, Penny, Tim Hardaway, Larry Johnson, Glen Rice, BJ Armstrong, Shawn Kemp, Nick Anderson, Vlade Divac, Mitch Richmond, Rod Strickland, Gary Payton, Kendall Gill, Dikembe Mutombo, Steve Smith, Dale Davis, Greg Anthony, Stacy Augmon, Robert Horry, Alonzo Mourning, Chris Webber, Jamal Mashburn, Sam Cassell, Allan Houston, Grant Hill, Jason Kid, Glenn Robinson, Jalen Rose, Eddie Jones, Juwan Howard, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, Michael Finley, Jerry Stackhouse. And let's not even forget the star veterans on the team.
@Rambo20244
@Rambo20244 17 дней назад
lol I guarantee you that you don't get a respond to this because it's facts and ppl like to always argue against facts with theories
@USSOBRIEN
@USSOBRIEN 16 дней назад
@@Rambo20244 There's no retort. And if it is, it'll be a bonehead statement. I don't even know why I bother, man.
@TomCruz54321
@TomCruz54321 15 дней назад
Yeah people forget to mention those expansion teams became playoff teams in a really short amount of time: Orlando Magic - Shaq and Penny (playoff team) Charlotte Hornets - Alonzo Mourning, Larry Johnson, Glenn Rice (playoff team) Miami Heat - Alonzo Mourning (traded from Charlotte), Tim Hardaway (playoff team) Minnesota Timberwolves - Kevin Garnett, Stephon Marbury (playoff team) Toronto Raptors - Damon Stoudamire, Vince Carter (playoff team) Compare those teams to the tanking teams of today, which of them is watering down the league?
@Rambo20244
@Rambo20244 14 дней назад
@@TomCruz54321 yep ppl also forget that one of those expansion teams were the only team to knock the bulls out of the playoffs in the 90s... but the jordan haters always tell half the truth
@lilrickization
@lilrickization 19 дней назад
Ion even like Mccant but man that last analogy was really on point🤣. He got off with that one
@99_Planet
@99_Planet 20 дней назад
“You playing with everybody who at your damn skills camp!” 😂😂 Idk why but this cracked me up lmaoo
@jaysouthmusic8230
@jaysouthmusic8230 20 дней назад
It’s the truth tho
@felixalfaro3119
@felixalfaro3119 17 дней назад
@@jaysouthmusic8230except it’s not lol most of them don’t want to go to bum ass Cleveland lol
@MrDjamison
@MrDjamison 16 дней назад
@@felixalfaro3119when the last time lebron played for Cleveland?
@IrwineDuncan
@IrwineDuncan 15 дней назад
I get it. You have to have a control group or a similar condition to measure against in an experiment/comparison . Its like saying I have 50 inch vertical jump "but only when I use my own ruler". We should use the same rulers or else it is moot, semantics or biased.
@ylee5923
@ylee5923 3 дня назад
Former Duke player trashing a former UNC player? Didn't see that coming........🙄
@conchobar
@conchobar 20 дней назад
Gil complaining 37% of the expansion players played 3 years or less. The average NBA player today plays 4 years or less. Plus the NBA today has tons of 2-way players who are just G-leaguers with NBA credentials. The "Watered Down" debate is silly.
@melvynsngltn27
@melvynsngltn27 18 дней назад
Not really because Jordan fanboys claim how strong the NBA was in the 1990's and alot of us who remember the 1990's call BS
@theeALister
@theeALister 17 дней назад
This is a really simple concept to understand. When you add that many new teams to a league in such a short span of time it’s bound to dilute the overall product as vastly superior teams are going to inflate their records by beating down the newcomers. Please feel free to take at look at the standings from back then, the evidence is quite clear. Neither the Hornets, Heat, Grizzlies, Wolves or Raptors eclipsed 40 wins in their first four seasons. The Magic was the only team to do it, going 41-41 during their fourth season after totaling just 70 wins over the span of their first 3. Lastly, how is this at all comparable to the average two-way G-League player who might play a total of 200 minutes in an entire season? There are no teams in the league today that are comprised of mostly G-League players.
@Kenno996
@Kenno996 17 дней назад
Russell can dominate paint not whole court
@qualiswilliams7403
@qualiswilliams7403 17 дней назад
​@@theeAListerfacts all it takes is a quick Google search
@brianjackson9791
@brianjackson9791 16 дней назад
15 man roster now vs 12, 4 years vs 3, so an extra year. And a bunch of g leaguers, you're literally proving it's more watered down now given more guys that are only staying 1 year longer.
@richardbuckley967
@richardbuckley967 20 дней назад
Correction!!!! MJ was so good and had such a great impact on the league and the world that he provided an opportunity for such an expansion!!! The league hasn’t expanded on LeBron’s watch!!! MJ all day! JJ your perspective is off my guy…
@isaacnitta4133
@isaacnitta4133 14 дней назад
Name all of the best shooting guards Jordan faced
@rustybarrel516
@rustybarrel516 14 дней назад
Agreed. He expanded on the appeal of and excitement for the game that started to take off when Magic and Bird came on the scene, taking it to another level. David Stern was savvy enough to recognize this and market it, not just in the US, but around the world. That interest led to more teams and a bigger talent pool concurrently - more international players, more players coming out of college early and straight out of high school. The game had also become steadily more athletic, which further expanded its appeal and attracted more talent to the game. A good example is the old question and answer, “where are all the talented tight ends we used to see coming to the NFL? They’re power forwards in the NBA.” It wasn’t talent dilution caused by expansion. It was talent infusion that enabled expansion.
@rustybarrel516
@rustybarrel516 14 дней назад
Agreed. He expanded on the appeal of and excitement for the game that started to take off when Magic and Bird came on the scene, taking it to another level. David Stern was savvy enough to recognize this and market it, not just in the US, but around the world. That interest led to more teams and a bigger talent pool concurrently - more international players, more players coming out of college early and straight out of high school. The game had also become steadily more athletic, which further expanded its appeal and attracted more talent to the game. A good example is the old question and answer, “where are all the talented tight ends we used to see coming to the NFL? They’re power forwards in the NBA.” It wasn’t talent dilution caused by expansion. It was talent infusion that enabled expansion.
@marlonnicholson8410
@marlonnicholson8410 17 дней назад
Another thing people don't talk about is that Lebum James has never been a part of a true dynasty like MJ Kobe and Magic
@krishnaadhikari4931
@krishnaadhikari4931 17 дней назад
and curry also lebrin def top 5 but not 3
@user-th5rs4zv4c
@user-th5rs4zv4c 17 дней назад
Goat James were able to BEAT dynasties, while Jordan was being swept by them in the playoffs. LBJ finals competition 7/10 dynasty teams. Jordan 0/6 dynasty teams.
@marlonnicholson8410
@marlonnicholson8410 17 дней назад
@user-th5rs4zv4c How???? By having the best defensive player on the opposing team get suspended on some fluke shit. But yet Lebum still lost two Finals to GS while getting his ass bust by KD! OH and let's not forget how many times Lebum got swept in the Finals twice! Not once but twice! Gtfoh!
@user-th5rs4zv4c
@user-th5rs4zv4c 17 дней назад
@@marlonnicholson8410 Are you slow? Green played game 6 and 7. Stop making excuses. WE ARE DONE WITH THE 90s!
@marlonnicholson8410
@marlonnicholson8410 17 дней назад
@user-th5rs4zv4c 😂😂😂😂 Done with the 90s???? I bet you one of them people who can't even afford Jordan's. GOATS don't get swept in the Finals twice and cry for All Stars to win and get 50 coaches fired
@aheronamedtendo
@aheronamedtendo 16 дней назад
0:04 …….soooooo we gonna let that slip up pass?😂
@hardbodytraining100
@hardbodytraining100 3 дня назад
I caught that
@iloveparadyse
@iloveparadyse 20 дней назад
I love how MJ just give the goat debate any time of day. His work speaks for itself and the people speak for him. He also gave the ultimate respect for the players of the past…thats the difference.
@grizzlymac-tight
@grizzlymac-tight 19 дней назад
Exactly. Lebron not the best. Mj is basically the most entertaining to watch, he's more competitive. How is lebron greater when everyone rather watch MJ AND MJ won more? And MJ has better stats overall.... lebron just averaged 1 more rebound and 2 more assists... mj beats lebron in every other stat
@suegspr
@suegspr 18 дней назад
@@grizzlymac-tight Yes having 2 more assists actually means you generate more points for your team to make up the difference in ppg so that argument is stupid.
@Silencedfixer
@Silencedfixer 18 дней назад
​@@suegsprBron also averaged 2 more turnovers..look at +/- Jordan dominates him
@suegspr
@suegspr 18 дней назад
@@Silencedfixer well he’s the playmaker of the team I would expect it to be that way
@suegspr
@suegspr 18 дней назад
@@Silencedfixer +/- is a team stat bro. Jordan had the best team in the league and was always the favorite in his prime. It’s not his fault but you can’t hold it against bron either. If you’re gonna compare players and eras then you gotta take every little thing into consideration.
@PsyFiChannel
@PsyFiChannel 20 дней назад
“Watered down” is when you create rules to help the offense in order to create more excitement around the game to garner more views. “Watered Down” is making the game less physical so your favorite players can play longer and be more marketable for the league.
@PsyFiChannel
@PsyFiChannel 20 дней назад
“Watered Down” is when all 30 teams play with the same offensive scheme.
@AkeemPierre
@AkeemPierre 20 дней назад
That’s not watering it down. That’s just putting an emphasis on offense. Back then you could argue it was a more defensive emphasis given the rules. Not watered down, just different rules.
@HoodedAlchemy
@HoodedAlchemy 20 дней назад
This it's the same for the NFL people push the game is evolving when it really isn't they are making it more offensive friendly
@desmonddavis3422
@desmonddavis3422 20 дней назад
You realize Jordans era they was still giving it to Bill Cartwright on the block passed his prime lol
@BraMoore
@BraMoore 20 дней назад
Like they did with Jordan?
@seanknox5785
@seanknox5785 16 дней назад
Gil is 100% right. Break down each category and give it a SABCDF category rating. Coaching. Rings. Accolades. Stats. Help on the court. Even as far as how much the teammates like him.
@crandallexpo0648
@crandallexpo0648 14 дней назад
I'm weak 😂 😂😂😂😂😂 Rashad said Bron speeding with his headlights of hits innocent bystander like oops and kept going 😂😂😂😂
@DaFactsNoNonsense1713
@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 20 дней назад
Gil's such a hypocrite = if JJ wasn't being disrespectful, it would be Gil saying something similar
@DjGaiden
@DjGaiden 20 дней назад
Crazy thing is…. He HAS lmaooooooooo
@liltr3ay
@liltr3ay 20 дней назад
​@@DjGaiden 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏾‍♂️
@Holyyghost
@Holyyghost 20 дней назад
@@DjGaiden i think he said it like a month ago or so 😂
@carbon.the.christ5626
@carbon.the.christ5626 20 дней назад
Gil staying on code,cant let that white man diminish Jordan😅
@thekingsplacegospeldjc4847
@thekingsplacegospeldjc4847 20 дней назад
😮🤫🤔
@jootpepet
@jootpepet 20 дней назад
That "Lebron ran over some innocent bystanders and kept going" analogy was gold 🤣
@suegspr
@suegspr 18 дней назад
nah it was dumb. Didn’t make any sense, people who are Jordan/Kobe c*cksuckers are usually the human beings with the lowest iq
@Dr.Tony.Cii.
@Dr.Tony.Cii. 4 часа назад
I’m going to be honest…I’m with McCants 100% on this one with EVERYTHING he said. 🎯‼️🔥
@crandallexpo0648
@crandallexpo0648 14 дней назад
Where can I watch the rest of this please!!! 😂😂
@jacobcrabb9578
@jacobcrabb9578 20 дней назад
"Lebron was jus speeding with his headlights off and he hit an innocent bystander and he kept going" 😂 ngl that shit got me.
@user-gi5pq9nb9d
@user-gi5pq9nb9d 20 дней назад
Aye! Real talk tho! He made plenty of sense and was also accurate AF!!
@JBreezy-uz5ep
@JBreezy-uz5ep 19 дней назад
The realest shit I heard 💯🔥
@1979cincere
@1979cincere 20 дней назад
Great answer Brandon......
@King-ul1nn
@King-ul1nn 20 дней назад
Lmao. The classic reply.
@Anonymous-gy4lp
@Anonymous-gy4lp 20 дней назад
Anything that happened white you were a child or before you were born you shouldn’t have an opinion on then Lmao.
@KamLife1
@KamLife1 17 дней назад
I'm glad someone finally got to Arenas and educated him on the eras, because I have heard him on his ol' podcasts of disrespecting the 80's & early 90's, hell the late 70's for that matter. When you throw in today's technology, nutrition, ergogenic aids, sports science, footwear, transportation benefits, extra staff help/speciality coaches., etc. ...You can't truly compare the era's either way.....There's too many intangibles involved that the older players didn't have, but also disadvantages that todays players do have, because competition is more prevalent. Disadvantages and loss of opportunities both ways when comparing era's!
@johnjovanovichwick4194
@johnjovanovichwick4194 20 дней назад
Mccants point may have had so validity to it about “Mike just played who was in front of him” so why don’t the people give Bill Russell the same respect winning 11 chips in HIS era but jordan fans disrespect Bill Russell by saying his era was watered down.
@gerbilbaby242
@gerbilbaby242 20 дней назад
Because he wasn't the best player on those championship teams, only thing I can think of
@johnjovanovichwick4194
@johnjovanovichwick4194 20 дней назад
@@gerbilbaby242 he indeed was the best player on the team, guarding the other teams best player example wilt chamberlain in most of those finals he beat him in, he was the anchor of their defense and Boston’s center piece for their success. See how y’all try to find any loop hole. He got more chips that jordan, same amount of mvps, more finals appearances? See how dat work but when bron fans use the same logic y’all bring the same exact shit up 🤷‍♂️🤣🤣🤣🤣
@gerbilbaby242
@gerbilbaby242 20 дней назад
@johnjovanovichwick4194 I'm speaking of the lack of finals mvps Also one of his mvps he was only 2nd team all nba. I'm not arguing I'm just pointing out some things
@basedkez
@basedkez 20 дней назад
@@gerbilbaby242Finals MVPS were started in 1969
@naimjustjokin_
@naimjustjokin_ 20 дней назад
@@gerbilbaby242He was easily the best player 😂 he averaged 15 points and TWENTY TWO REBOUNDS. 22 REBOUNDS. That’s more than anyone EVER.
@BMORETODAY
@BMORETODAY 20 дней назад
Soooo this is how JJ Redick got that podcast with Lebron! JJ SMOKING ROCKS 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@stephenasmith6387
@stephenasmith6387 20 дней назад
While you’re riding MJ every night like an addict
@justchillin2194
@justchillin2194 20 дней назад
Nah I just think he unbiased
@Wise-o.g.
@Wise-o.g. 20 дней назад
​@@justchillin2194oh yeah he's unbiased. Podcast with perceived Goat?, possible Lakers coaching. Candidate. Yeah he's unbiased. Lol.
@Wise-o.g.
@Wise-o.g. 20 дней назад
JJ is a professional jock strap.
@theoriginaltroll388
@theoriginaltroll388 20 дней назад
Lol if he said MJ better den Bron the show would get canceled 😂
@maximusaurelius9906
@maximusaurelius9906 17 дней назад
This is actually something fairly common in most sports leagues when there is an expansion and an influx of new players join a league in which they would have either not made the cut or not been regular starters on any team and only made thanks to the expansion. I'm not familiar with how the NBA handled expansions back then. Did they force each of the older teams to give up any established starting players for an expansion teams only draft?
@gonnigan
@gonnigan 16 дней назад
McCants bro, you had me until you stop hearing what others is saying, Gil is saying dont talk about what the other do bad or different when comparing, just talk about what your goat does good. Real goats dont need others to be discredited to be great..
@MichaelCollins-py4rd
@MichaelCollins-py4rd 15 дней назад
Exactly
@MatthewShadowMorris2115
@MatthewShadowMorris2115 20 дней назад
5 rules that changed defense is what made modern NBA watered down. It wasn't watered down in the 90s. It was tougher because guys who may have sucked were hired to be hitmen. The NBA doesn't want that type of play, so in the late 2000s, they decided to add and change rules that took that type of play out of the game. It's so bad now that even the league is questioning if they went too far with the rules. Todays NBA is watered down.
@aidanoconnor9776
@aidanoconnor9776 20 дней назад
That's a solid argument for why the physicality of the league is watered down. But I don't see how the rules changing or refs calling the game differently would affect the average skill level of nba players. If a ref makes it easier to score, then it is now harder to defend. If a ref makes it easier to defend, it is now harder to score. Either way the average level of skill of the players would not change in either scenario.
@bryantwilson5761
@bryantwilson5761 20 дней назад
They allow traveling and all kinds of dribble errors now too
@duecelavish771
@duecelavish771 20 дней назад
It was clearly more watered down then because there were less skilled players in that era. It's really not that big of deal. A lot of players in past era's wouldn't be a water boy in today's league. They beat the shit out of MJ and other players in past era's. MJ going to the commissioner to express his issues with that type of play ushered in the beginning of more fouls being called up to what we have today. Players were forced to become more skilled basketball players because enforcer's were outlawed.
@carontorliak2760
@carontorliak2760 20 дней назад
So you are saying 1. There was less talent in the 90s because players were hired because they were physical...but not actually good at basketball 2. What rules specifically did they change to make it "watered down"? If anything, getting rid of the illegal defense helped make offense and defense more equal. 3. What is the "type of play" you are talking about? You do understand the 3pt shot was the main reason teams are not being as "physical" (which is not exactly true actually) than before right? Because...you can exploit it. I completely disagree that today's nba is "watered down". I know you would just name things like not calling travels or carries or too strict on flagrants, all of which can be true, but every player has the same precedent. The talent in the NBA has never been higher and the most parity I have seen in years. When 6 new teams joined throughout MJ's career, it DID water down the league. Those players on those teams were players who wouldn't make the current teams. The regular season would have been a bit easier for the current group of players. Now of course that doesn't change the playoffs which JJ mentioned. This would have an affect on regular season wins and stats though. This is why it is dumb to compare players from different eras.
@duecelavish771
@duecelavish771 20 дней назад
@@carontorliak2760 seems like the issue is with the phrase "watered down". That era was easier just like the era before that one. Gilbert implies this fact a lot so I'm not sure why he's so but hurt about it.
@MrGeeMoney1983
@MrGeeMoney1983 19 дней назад
This NBA is the most watered down it’s ever been! The lack of Defense is glaring, LeBron travels every time he touches the ball but it’s never called! It’s hysterical!
@HBIC917
@HBIC917 8 дней назад
It does not matter because Jordan's teammates were watered down. Jordan never had a collapse against anyone.
@howardwayne8288
@howardwayne8288 15 дней назад
"The FBI ain't looking for you bro.... They're looking for us..." 🤣🤣
@duecepoppin6413
@duecepoppin6413 19 дней назад
Phil didn’t create The Triangle. Tex Winters created the Triangle
@its_zbo
@its_zbo 13 дней назад
Phil made it famous lol
@abet317l.3
@abet317l.3 20 дней назад
Rashad McCants has the most sense in this show all the time.
@Musa-ut6ce
@Musa-ut6ce 20 дней назад
If you are an idiot.
@Xtremeproducts
@Xtremeproducts 17 дней назад
Facts by simply common sense
@diplomat249
@diplomat249 15 дней назад
​@@XtremeproductsRashad isn't emboldened by Cutch Sports.
@Xtremeproducts
@Xtremeproducts 15 дней назад
@@diplomat249 true
@osamayomomma5127
@osamayomomma5127 14 дней назад
And the other guys all treat him like he doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't get it.
@user-rr6uq3iz7v
@user-rr6uq3iz7v 17 дней назад
It is true regardless of who likes it or not. So all those teams needed time to even complete. So all that time who do you think was killing them? Yup you guessed it
@cynga6067
@cynga6067 17 дней назад
LBJ is not even on Dirk's level as a leader. Dude took his team all the way to a championship beating Blazers, Lakers and t OKC to earn the right to beat LBJ and his big3 Heats. Dirk was the only all star player in the team.
@jmickens313
@jmickens313 15 дней назад
Hof Jason Kidd..DPOY CHANDLER 6th man of the year Jason Terry but yea Dirk didn’t have anyone lmao
@stirdi
@stirdi 14 дней назад
Lmaoo what
@stirdi
@stirdi 14 дней назад
​@@jmickens313they literally swept kobe and the defending champs, it's ok these mfs clueless 😂
@JohnTrek1701
@JohnTrek1701 18 дней назад
What about when Phil lost? How the hell are you attaching the coach to the players achievements??? Was it Phil who stole the ball from Malone and made the game winning shot? Was it Spolestra who melted down in 2011 vs the mavs? Don’t bring the coaches into this equation.
@HiveMind629
@HiveMind629 20 дней назад
I think this was Mccants best segment “you playing against everybody that was in your camps” that got me 😂
@hmcpimpslap480
@hmcpimpslap480 17 дней назад
That was a mic drop moment when he mentioned chopping off heads!!!
@beegeebad3193
@beegeebad3193 17 дней назад
Its just an insult to the present generation of ballers because its been 40 years and still MJ is relevant. John Stockton's assist record never been broken. Steals leader not broken, two 3peats not broken , and so on. Now they have stats to target these record and yet not the outcome they wanted. So watered down? Nah
@MrKingShad
@MrKingShad 18 дней назад
Another Win For Rashad Bro Be Giving Gill That Work When It Comes To That Goat Debate Talk It’s Just People Dont Like Rashad So They Dont Hear Him Out
@Sports-media180
@Sports-media180 20 дней назад
So why does every one say Jordan had a hall of fame coach. Jordan never had a hall of fame coach. Jordan made phill a hall of famer
@loveconcquersall
@loveconcquersall 18 дней назад
That part
@rashanrevell6097
@rashanrevell6097 18 дней назад
Phil created the triangle offense to help Mike ima Jordan fan but Phil was a hell of a coach for the bulls
@g.abarintos8502
@g.abarintos8502 18 дней назад
​@@rashanrevell6097yo, it was Tex Winters who initially created the Triangle Offense. and applied it with Phil to the Bulls.
@jackieroach2124
@jackieroach2124 17 дней назад
Phil hadn't won anything before MJ and MJ still was MJ!
@pinoykayaker
@pinoykayaker 16 дней назад
No matter how good you are but your coach is stupid and the system flawed, you can only get too far. If MJ was drafted by charlotte he probably will get 2 championships his whole career at best.
@PanoramaDrew411
@PanoramaDrew411 2 дня назад
Gil argues about dudes who were drafted who didn’t even play in NBA as an argument that the league was watered down.
@cyleb2215
@cyleb2215 8 дней назад
I fw this pod so much 👌 GET GIL ON FIRST TAKE
@Takeoff10_
@Takeoff10_ 20 дней назад
I wanna wear Michael Jordan’s, I wanna be in the space jam movie. 😂😭😂😭😂
@truthistruth4186
@truthistruth4186 20 дней назад
Bro the way he said it to 😂😂😂😂
@Cliff11
@Cliff11 19 дней назад
Lmaoo 😂😂😂
@jyoung92082
@jyoung92082 20 дней назад
Dirk, Nash, Kobe, Carter, McGrady all played in the 90s when Mike was around. 90s was real. J. J. need to stop it.
@SnoGo902
@SnoGo902 20 дней назад
They played at the end of Jordan career
@seren451
@seren451 20 дней назад
Shaq's first year was 92-93 too , jj trying to hard to sound smart
@guevarasamson1165
@guevarasamson1165 20 дней назад
LMAO…what?! Nash - 96 Dirk - 98 Kobe - 96 Carter - 98 McGrady - 97 Jordan truly retired 98….. NONE of those guys mattered yet! Kobe didn’t even start his rookie season.. and averaged 7.6 point, 1.9 boards and 1.3 assists…. Nash averaged 3.3 points 2.1 assist, 1 board….. WHAT are you talking about! Lmao
@jyoung92082
@jyoung92082 20 дней назад
​@@guevarasamson1165is my point exactly there was nothing watered down about the 90s. Jamal Murray's were everywhere coming off the bench that weren't Allstars or 1st team guys but could still kill. I've watched ball since the 80s. I think like Gil said JJ didn't do his research. Duncan Robinson Hakeem Rice there were monsters everywhere on every team. I just got done arguing in the barber shop with cats last year saying Jordan Poole world have averaged 30 in the 90s. These style narratives are crazy in my opinion
@dylandupuis4347
@dylandupuis4347 20 дней назад
You're dumb
@xdookmanex7576
@xdookmanex7576 14 дней назад
15:20 THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEBODY SAID THE TRUTH ABOUT MJ & KOBE VS LEBRON YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH BETTER THEY WERE
@MusicLuv80
@MusicLuv80 17 дней назад
Rashad need his own podcast. He speaks real NBA fans mind. Seriously! What he is saying about Jordan and Lebron makes sense.
@jmK-xj5fu
@jmK-xj5fu 20 дней назад
No one talks about in both the 2009 and 2010 seasons, the Cavs were the #1 seed in the entire league both years. You don't reach the #1 seed with bad teammates/coaches. It was supposed to be Kobe vs. Lebron in back to back finals both without a Top 75 teammate. (2010 Cavs had Shaq but he was on his way out) Kobe made it to the Finals fighting the toughest Western Conference we have seen in decades, meanwhile Lebron fell short to Orlando and Boston as the #1 seed back to back years. Wade openly admitted after Kobe won his 5th, they called each other and made their decision to stop Kobe from getting more rings. A year after the Big 3 was formed, the league vetoes the trade to have Prime CP3 traded to LA. The league had to protect their "Golden Child."
@davidjohnsonGT
@davidjohnsonGT 20 дней назад
They got there because of LeBron james
@codebreaker00x
@codebreaker00x 20 дней назад
Golden Child how? An that magic team was stacked an shooters at damn near ever position.i like all 3 but damn ppl be so quick to throw shots with no facts.
@jmK-xj5fu
@jmK-xj5fu 20 дней назад
@@codebreaker00x You are probably too young to remember the magazine era where Lebron was literally propagated as the NBA's "Golden Child"
@jmK-xj5fu
@jmK-xj5fu 20 дней назад
@@davidjohnsonGT With your logic, if they got there because of LBJ, they failed because of LBJ. As the leader/best player, you can't take the good without the bad.
@charlesferrer6174
@charlesferrer6174 20 дней назад
@@codebreaker00x Lebron wasn’t the golden child? The chosen one? They were hyping him up for years, even making film from Lenny Cooke embarrassing him in his rookie summer league. It’s not far fetched to say the NBA wanted to protect their main guy’s legacy especially since they dropped Kobe after his scandal.
@rhondacommander5233
@rhondacommander5233 20 дней назад
They said the same thing back then. People just stop talking about it.❤
@TheKidwonda
@TheKidwonda 20 дней назад
Yeah and it wasn’t just basketball. I watched some old MLB video from the early 90s and at the time they had just added the Colorado Rockies and the Miami(Florida) Marlins and the people in the video said verbatim that it would at least in the short term water down the league because guys who probably weren’t good enough to be an everyday player became one, guys who had no business being in a teams rotation all of sudden were pitching 20 plus games and guys who weren’t ready to be called up from AA and AAA got called up. These guys were MLB players but there was a reason they were made available
@dikrantorian1311
@dikrantorian1311 3 дня назад
JJ Reddick has to discredit MJ to prop up LeQeen so he can get on his good side (kiss @$$) to be able to get the head coaching job in LA. 🤦🏻‍♂️🤷‍♂️
@northaldine5116
@northaldine5116 21 час назад
Bro said he don't get into the debate and don't care then the very next sentence tried to raise up bron and say mj era was watered down🤡 Dudes a disgrace
@StuntmanBeatz313
@StuntmanBeatz313 20 дней назад
crazy how expansion teams watered the league down but tanking, failed high schoolers, 1-and-dones & crapping out on thousands of players from overseas didn’t..
@d-p_
@d-p_ 20 дней назад
I can’t lie Rashad & Gil are the funniest duo in comedy right now. That convo at the end was pure 24-karat gold. 😂
@coopercoop9371
@coopercoop9371 20 дней назад
But Rashad be speaking facts
@coopercoop9371
@coopercoop9371 20 дней назад
I think gil should be an coach
@yayo2211
@yayo2211 20 дней назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@hasanisimmons6290
@hasanisimmons6290 9 дней назад
The difference is that Jordan went against other men. Adults who went to college... Coached by the best coaches!!! Todays players are still learning the game.
@nassa4077
@nassa4077 18 дней назад
As someone who loves Kobe, it’s pretty obvious for me why he isn’t in the GOAT debate. For me, being the absolute best player on your team for the season and when you win is criteria. Kobe wasn’t even the best player on his team for 3/5 seasons… This is why Shaq is not in the debate either…
@timhall5382
@timhall5382 20 дней назад
The bulls didn't play "small ball", they always had a 7 footer on the court. Gil not only can't do math he also doesn't know recent nba history.
@ajhaynes8204
@ajhaynes8204 20 дней назад
Every one else starting is no lower than 6'7. But their death line up was harper, jordan,pip, kukoc, Rodman.
@DynoGreen313
@DynoGreen313 20 дней назад
he's a complete clown for the most part maccants and kenyon martin are the ones i tune in for
@cesarbarbosa8875
@cesarbarbosa8875 20 дней назад
Mj was 6-6 ​@@ajhaynes8204
@samhui9433
@samhui9433 20 дней назад
They def played small ball lineups at times. Harp, MJ, pip, Rodman, kukoc. It was their defensive versatility and switch ability that was modern, not necessarily modern small ball offense.
@antmyrick2063
@antmyrick2063 20 дней назад
​@@samhui9433 alot of teams played small ball. Zo hornets, nets with Littles, Kemp and Seattle,Suns KJ.
@saintkartier5211
@saintkartier5211 20 дней назад
Ain’t Gil the same person that said the 80-90s wasn’t shit even tho I disagree
@yvans.
@yvans. 20 дней назад
Well he didn’t denied this claim. He talking relative to their era on this topic.
@3rdcoastsmokesmoked227
@3rdcoastsmokesmoked227 16 дней назад
And watered down because if you breathe on a 4 or 5 star player it’s a foul now. Because people want to see more scoring?? That’s crazy. It wasn’t even triple digits common unless it was ot.
@rodsands7105
@rodsands7105 4 дня назад
Gil trying to play Jedi Mind Tricks on McCants. It’s still a competition brother.🤣
@wc4201
@wc4201 20 дней назад
Mike dominated his competition on an individual basis and as the leader of his team. Kobe dominated on an individual level and had some team success that was equaled by the Spurs. LeBron skipped the grind and joined the other best players in the league and still has a 4-6 record in the finals. Levels to greatness. In a world full of Bron's, be a Mike.
@alexdew5545
@alexdew5545 20 дней назад
Bron has been dominating for 21 years fam! What are you talking about?
@AyoStatic
@AyoStatic 20 дней назад
Okay so what about Bill Russell & Wilt’s era? Ppl consistently say “ol there were only 8 teams” to discredit Bill’s 11 chips
@mattblock6616
@mattblock6616 20 дней назад
There's a range where the number of teams make a difference. 8 teams is too little to make that kind of impact.
@hiitsgabe___
@hiitsgabe___ 20 дней назад
@@mattblock6616 id respectfully argue for Bill Russel by saying the best players are less spread so teams are better/more competitive... but that's just me.... which I think is the point JJ was making and it was more about the reg season cos the better teams always make playoffs
@SouthJerzVillains
@SouthJerzVillains 20 дней назад
It’s literally just a fact there was only 8 teams and the Celtics had 6 hall of famers lol
@chrisc6497
@chrisc6497 20 дней назад
and the competition was trash compared to just 20 years later. its more than just the number of teams
@user-ky7le9bf2m
@user-ky7le9bf2m 20 дней назад
What about James Naismith? At one point he was the GOAT.
@MusicLuv80
@MusicLuv80 17 дней назад
Arena is so wrong about Rashad. He never dissed Lebron and what he was saying made sense. If you want to say Lebron is GOAT or Not you have to compare to Jordan. There is no going around it. Rashad compared them without dissing neither of them. He spoke facts.
@jamesoncross19
@jamesoncross19 10 дней назад
If the league was watered down, then how did Orlando become one of the best teams of 90s while they had Shaq? This watering down led to the only team that ever beat MJ's Bulls in the 1990s. The irony is that he's having this conversation with the best player from that watering down team. How does no one else see how ridiculous this statement really is especially when you factor in who he's talking to?
@darrellhenry9152
@darrellhenry9152 20 дней назад
Didn’t JJ say the Jerry West, Bill Russell era didn’t count because there weren’t enough teams? They always shift the goal post for Bron.
@kylewatson4900
@kylewatson4900 20 дней назад
From 1988 until 1998 Jordan was recognized as the unquestioned best player in the league...Nobody else had a run like that....
@jimbo26582
@jimbo26582 19 дней назад
How can you be the best player in the NBA when you’re playing minor league baseball?
@stevencollins920
@stevencollins920 19 дней назад
@@jimbo26582aint that crazy? Man was playing baseball and was still considered the best
@badbrukbrian2401
@badbrukbrian2401 19 дней назад
​@@jimbo26582you are desperate
@kylewatson4900
@kylewatson4900 19 дней назад
@jimbo26582 You show it by winning 3 and coming back and winning 3 more....All while being the scoring Champion, 1st team nba and 1st team all defense....And you win Finals MVP every single time
@melvynsngltn27
@melvynsngltn27 18 дней назад
No he wasn't
@tlz124
@tlz124 2 дня назад
Expanding the league meant the bottom got bigger. But there was still the same top level talent. So when the playoffs came around and the games mattered, the league wasn't watered down
@aaronbateman2948
@aaronbateman2948 17 дней назад
Gil is saying JJ doesn't know his history and then proceeds to rewrite history. Teams expanded to 15 man roster in 1992 which was in the beginning of Jordans run as a champion. He was saying 90 guys were added over the course of that period, which is accurate.
@704chevygang
@704chevygang 20 дней назад
It was teams in the NBA this season that won 14,15,21,21,22, and 25 games all season. It don’t get no more watered down than that in a easier era
@Traylormade_Chief
@Traylormade_Chief 20 дней назад
That's not watered down. Those r bad teams not new teams.
@704chevygang
@704chevygang 19 дней назад
What’s the difference if they both trash?30% winning percentage at best
@alexsmith3598
@alexsmith3598 19 дней назад
1989-90 Heat 18 Magic 18 Nets 17 Kings 23 Twolves 22 Hornets 19 It only ever happened today, right? There were never expansion teams added to the league that watered it down, as you just said, by win totals? So you don't know history just to old hear with your dumbass "you kids don't know ball." Why don't you go outside and keep telling kids to get off your lawn?
@Traylormade_Chief
@Traylormade_Chief 19 дней назад
@@704chevygang so all NBA history is watered down. U see how ridiculous that is? Those teams already exist. They aren't brand new teams. Wtf r u talkin bout
@704chevygang
@704chevygang 19 дней назад
@@Traylormade_Chief bruh wtf are you talking about. What don’t you get about all the players on the new teams wasn’t brand new into the NBA? So if they’re already in the NBA what’s the difference between a NEW team and a horrible team?
@tgee1007
@tgee1007 20 дней назад
This conversation got silly towards the end. Phil Jackson was never considered a defensive coach otherwise Shaq should have been a better defender. Jordan stayed with his team and eventually won. The gap between MJ and 2nd best in his era was significant. Kobe played with peak Shaq and Gasol. Lebron left Cleveland and made his title run easier playing with top 75 players and all stars.
@nicholascole2613
@nicholascole2613 17 дней назад
That Death Row analogy from Gil was absolutely beautiful. The best thing about it was that it didn't shade to one side. There wasn't one ounce of bias in that whatsoever..👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@mcgeedarion
@mcgeedarion 10 дней назад
It's not hard to judge eras. Basketball is the only sport where people are delusional to the past. The NBA is more competitive today than it was 40 years ago.
@darkmandarkman3121
@darkmandarkman3121 17 дней назад
The NBA is watered down now. Most of these players today would not have made it in the NBA in the 80’s and 90’s and one reason is they get hurt to much and the game was hand checking so you had to be ready . There were real fist fights in games locker rooms nobody was soft.
@RonnySwank
@RonnySwank 20 дней назад
Adding 6 whole teams definitely has an effect on the league. How is anyone even gonna debate that? 6 teams is a lotttt
@hulkdaddy71
@hulkdaddy71 20 дней назад
How, when the players were picked from the other teams, they didn't come in off the street. Also, they were 12 man rosters back then. It's 15 now, which makes the league even more " watered down".
@kobebayuk3692
@kobebayuk3692 20 дней назад
Because Jordan fans are emotional
@christianluu2994
@christianluu2994 20 дней назад
@@hulkdaddy71 lol you think anyone good is playing minutes in the playoffs thats not top 8 on the roster? Buddy Rick Mahorn a bench Center was the best player picked in one of those expansion drafts lol. Solid player, but thats gonna be one the guys to build around? You wanna surround a bunch of barely/non rotation players for the most part and pair them with college players coming out the draft? Its obviously watered down a bit
@dre27321
@dre27321 20 дней назад
@@kobebayuk3692 or you can actually look at the context like what the other reply provided
@RonnySwank
@RonnySwank 20 дней назад
@@hulkdaddy71regardless that’s 6 teams having to start from scratch with all players assembled through a draft. Also 12 men rosters and 15 men rosters aren’t that much different lol considering teams usually have 9-10 guys in the rotation either way
@skywalker5257
@skywalker5257 20 дней назад
Jordan would have 80 on JJ Riddick 😂. The fear alone of playing teams like Bulls, Supersonics, knicks, Pistons, Lakers, Pacers, Suns, Rockets, Celtics, Jazz, the heat Etc was terrifying. The late 80s, 90s, and early 00s were shark-infested. It's more water down than ever nowadays.
@cljackson512
@cljackson512 20 дней назад
Compared to today's NBA, the league only had 4 legit teams from the late 80's to the early 2000s. You had the Bad Boys, the Celtics, Lakers, and the Bulls. Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons in the late 80s, Bulls in the 90s and then the Lakers and Pistons again in the early 2000s. Everyone else's rosters were meh at best and that includes the '94 Rockets. In '95 they were substantially better with the addition of Clyde. The Magic were young, and the Pacers and Knicks were one star teams with okay at best supporting staffs. And all of us who were alive back then knew how boo-boo the West was back in the Bulls era.
@penkima4923
@penkima4923 20 дней назад
@@cljackson512 Not sure what you mean by 4 legit teams. There were like 14 legit contenders.
@carontorliak2760
@carontorliak2760 20 дней назад
All these imaginary words to fill the nostalgia in your head when you have no actual proof of anything you said. Who tf fears playing a basketball team when you make millions from doing it. Stfu ya old heads.
@ryanr20091
@ryanr20091 20 дней назад
@@cljackson512 Don't conflate the 80s with the 90s you Jordan jockers love doing that and will even include 2000s players like Kobe to boost up Jordans competition . The 90s was far different from the 80s which had more talented legendary teams like Pistons 76ers Celtics Lakers it's no comparison There is nothing legendary about the Sonics lol. The 80s lakers would destroy a team like that with Magic Kareem worthy Michael cooper. Proof that the 80s were better is Jordan gets swept by the 80s Celtics and Utah could never win the 80s against the Lakers fast forward to the 90s, where the jazz finally makes the finals in 97 98 lol . The bulls finally started winning championships after getting smacked in the 80s for almost a decade. Just so you know the 80s jazz were actually better talent wise than the 90s jazz
@simonnwankwor2009
@simonnwankwor2009 20 дней назад
You know your facts. MJ don't wanna hear that part of his legacy.
@FROdaRIPPA
@FROdaRIPPA 17 дней назад
Greatest vs best is the more debatable debate but nobody ever distinguishes between the two
@iqawwee
@iqawwee 5 дней назад
One of the most intelligent takes I've seen Gil give.
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