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Gil's Arena GETS REAL On Why LeBron Doesn't Have More Rings 

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Gil's Arena GETS REAL On Why LeBron James Doesn't Have More Rings as Gilbert Arenas, John Salley & The Gil's Arena Crew debate the idea that LeBron James isn't a system player and explain why he needs the structure & coaching of the Triangle Offense if he wants to catch up to Kobe Bryant & Michael Jordan.
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@terrellbaker1660
@terrellbaker1660 23 дня назад
It was Doug Collins who said "get the ball to Michael and get the hell out of the way", not Phil Jackson.
@DynoGreen313
@DynoGreen313 23 дня назад
also that was ONE TIME that was NOT the complete chicago bulls plan he literally said that ONCE
@Domeo_Divine
@Domeo_Divine 23 дня назад
@@taireedillardNo he doesn’t lol
@terrellbaker1660
@terrellbaker1660 23 дня назад
@@taireedillard All of Jordan's rings did come in the triangle under Phil. 91/92/93/96/97/98. Collins made that statement in 1988. Phil became coach in 1990 and brought the triangle with him.
@jetplanevalentine3791
@jetplanevalentine3791 23 дня назад
​@taireedillard which one?
@PotatoGunCamper
@PotatoGunCamper 23 дня назад
Collins way of coaching is why MJ failed so much and suffered 2 sweeps.
@Chessbox09
@Chessbox09 23 дня назад
Salley was partially right. Phil Jackson said the triangle was designed to get role players shots, not the stars. He said MJ could get any shot at any time, but the triangle allowed the role players to stay involved in the offense.
@BHoodInk
@BHoodInk 22 дня назад
So he wasn't on the team huh...he partially right cuz u seen some clip somewhere one day ....u people say anything I swear.
@user-kk9oz2zi4c
@user-kk9oz2zi4c 22 дня назад
@@BHoodInk fucking thank you. like wtf the dude was literally there. fuck what one clip says. this dude is giving an indepth description, knowing the info can't be used against him in a game.
@harrym9655
@harrym9655 22 дня назад
Just making excuses for Lebron. I wonder how much money Klutch sports is paying Salley… John said it himself, he is making these statements to stay relevant…
@jimmieleepatterson
@jimmieleepatterson 20 дней назад
I think he kinda said playing against the triangle forced you to touched the open guy before helping to defend MJ
@dequez2003
@dequez2003 20 дней назад
Gilbert..Phil Jackson was a ‘newbie’ Coach before he won with Michael Jordan
@glshe067
@glshe067 19 дней назад
Record sales doesn't mean the music is good. It just means it's popular.
@mg19cal
@mg19cal 18 дней назад
When you say that to an Eminem fan, they storm the Capitol
@peterlee6304
@peterlee6304 17 дней назад
Prime example is Drake
@hagnuj1070
@hagnuj1070 16 дней назад
@@mg19cal Em fans are Pop fans not Hip Hop fans.
@deontaylor1246
@deontaylor1246 16 дней назад
Facts
@eribric5556
@eribric5556 16 дней назад
On the flip side...sometimes it means both.
@enriquedeanda1987
@enriquedeanda1987 19 дней назад
Love that actual players discuss instead of never played talking heads. Great conversation.
@GeneseeExplorer
@GeneseeExplorer 13 дней назад
Good point
@user-og2nu7dq9m
@user-og2nu7dq9m 13 дней назад
SAS = lavar ball
@yuneergainz117
@yuneergainz117 23 дня назад
“Well I’ve been watching the show…You don’t. You don’t not like LeBron”~ John Salley Comedic timing was clutch 😂 💎
@bolder2009
@bolder2009 23 дня назад
Definitely klutch😄
@12delorean6
@12delorean6 23 дня назад
🤣🤣
@obedjacquet8352
@obedjacquet8352 23 дня назад
😂
@cubbdacrossfacecrippler
@cubbdacrossfacecrippler 19 дней назад
Called out the obvious.
@I.am.da.mentist
@I.am.da.mentist 17 дней назад
Definitely must've got his ass whipped by lebron his whole short career
@lavelleandrae27
@lavelleandrae27 23 дня назад
Lebron should never be compared to MJ and Kobe. Lebron created his own lane and blueprint for success. All of them are the great.
@penkima4923
@penkima4923 23 дня назад
At least LeBron's Cavs played triangle offense. John Salley talks baloney nearly as much as Gil.
@fullspectrumanalysis7432
@fullspectrumanalysis7432 23 дня назад
It’s about how that’s what yall don’t get but okay not here to argue an I like lebron he dose have his own game his longevity is incredible
@iwishiwasthomasshelby
@iwishiwasthomasshelby 23 дня назад
The only blueprint he created was how to join up with all stars and buy rings.
@justinw.5424
@justinw.5424 23 дня назад
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby they all had all stars on their team dumb ass
@cyberft
@cyberft 23 дня назад
Lebron has as many rings as Steph Curry. Not the goat, but the 2nd best player ever.
@user-qe2vq3ve1b
@user-qe2vq3ve1b 19 дней назад
the system don't mean sh*t if you don't have players like MJ, Kobe, Shaq. We saw what happened in NY
@moeeshangpate6320
@moeeshangpate6320 18 дней назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂, 🤷🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤦🏿🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️Now why U gotta go an use NEW YORK as a example?? LOL 😂 🤣 😆 😅😅😅🤣🤣😅😅😅😅🤦🏿🤦🏿🤣😅😅😅😅😅😅💯✊🏾🖤
@marcuskennedy7357
@marcuskennedy7357 18 дней назад
New York never had an elite player next to Melo at or near a prime.
@user-qe2vq3ve1b
@user-qe2vq3ve1b 18 дней назад
@@marcuskennedy7357 Melo to me is a great scorer, not a 2 way player like MJ or Kobe, not even on D wade or Duucan’s level
@GJG_3
@GJG_3 18 дней назад
@@marcuskennedy7357 They really tried to run the triangle with Noah and Dalembert 😂
@dezz8598
@dezz8598 17 дней назад
@@user-qe2vq3ve1bdoesn’t matter, none of those players won without that specific system. They never proved they could.
@bigpapithechef
@bigpapithechef 15 дней назад
40k career points w/o a bag is quite impressive Rashad 😂😂
@libraalibaba
@libraalibaba 12 дней назад
6'8" 240,280,260 That's pretty hard to stop coming straight at you.
@mkingadiffernce
@mkingadiffernce 12 дней назад
Right
@TaliiPlays
@TaliiPlays 12 дней назад
@@libraalibaba how is that lebrons fault lol that’s how he was born why wouldn’t he use that to his advantage
@diamondbackspartan3204
@diamondbackspartan3204 11 дней назад
@@TaliiPlays just saying he couldnt do that at 6'3" which imo makes Kyrie better than Lebron. Imagine if Kyrie was that size with same skill set lol
@afr0cuban57
@afr0cuban57 10 дней назад
Not impressive if all I have to do is truck my way to the rim for easy points or foul shots. And if they send extra defenders I’ll just throw it to my shooters standing in the corner so they can bail me out. Compared to , having a killer mentality and having multiple offensive options like ball handling, shooting 3s, post up, step back, finish at rim etc. I have a deeper bag AND I HAVE MORE CHIPS. I think that’s impressive
@TroyBrownTV
@TroyBrownTV 23 дня назад
Mccants will make a great argument poorly
@sportstalkonly1442
@sportstalkonly1442 23 дня назад
Perfect way to describe him
@brandonallen688
@brandonallen688 23 дня назад
😂😂😂😂
@jamesjones8718
@jamesjones8718 23 дня назад
He be right though and wrong 😭
@user-vj4sr9nk2g
@user-vj4sr9nk2g 23 дня назад
😂😂😂😂
@TroyBrownTV
@TroyBrownTV 23 дня назад
@sportstalkonly1442 if McCants your lawyer you doing life for a parking ticket and you ain't even got a car.
@creaseinpeace
@creaseinpeace 23 дня назад
Jennings got me hot from saying malik monk better than donovan mitchell
@wordonthestreetpodcast5472
@wordonthestreetpodcast5472 23 дня назад
Bro was just arguing up and down mike was the goat couple months ago Brandon is starting to learn tv I think😭 because the man will say anything
@704jizzle2
@704jizzle2 23 дня назад
To this day mans had me heated
@baltimoremike9161
@baltimoremike9161 23 дня назад
40,50,50,70,40,60..make it make sense is all I ask..& they give us right to criticize them when they criticize players whose career double lap theirs..nasty work..talking bout ”Devin Booker can go” what you just say?
@nylesfrench3568
@nylesfrench3568 23 дня назад
True Indeed and slighting Donavan Mitchell
@country5090
@country5090 23 дня назад
Jennings is a complete airhead! He's afraid to go against Gilbert's takes even when it's complete nonsense!
@tonynature
@tonynature 12 дней назад
This was the most introspective and informative discussion I've heard on this topic, really got me thinking.
@nathanielrobinson173
@nathanielrobinson173 14 дней назад
John Salley schooled them young boys with his basketball knowledge.
@mkingadiffernce
@mkingadiffernce 12 дней назад
Yep he’s a og
@tyrellw7957
@tyrellw7957 23 дня назад
Mccants tried to deny the fact he don’t like Lebron & Sally said “ I’ve been watching the show you don’t “ 🤣😭😭
@Rubrick23.
@Rubrick23. 23 дня назад
Why should a grown man like another man. It's not personal its facts. Bron has female energy. Men don't like to hang out with woman. Those who do men don't respect. Men like bron needs to be worship.
@ryanmatt5541
@ryanmatt5541 23 дня назад
And Gil tries to deny the fact that’s he’s not biased. He’s biased against 90s basketball
@danielsims916
@danielsims916 23 дня назад
@@ryanmatt5541 everyone is biased, just like you’re biased, I’m biased, no one is objective when it comes to sports. Anyone that says otherwise is lying
@THOBDY219
@THOBDY219 23 дня назад
@@danielsims916 🎯🎯🎯
@phil4272
@phil4272 23 дня назад
He try so hard every time to put Kobe into the MJ and Lebron conversation 😂😂
@thevid-194
@thevid-194 22 дня назад
Am I crazy that I completely understand Mccants this episode? Edit: Nevermind. This blunt hittin.
@bobbybacland4222
@bobbybacland4222 18 дней назад
lol
@ssl_tv3065
@ssl_tv3065 17 дней назад
Yes 😅🤞🏽
@Mrinfinity1111
@Mrinfinity1111 6 дней назад
😂😂😂
@MitchellelOfGH
@MitchellelOfGH 6 дней назад
Steve Kerr said the triangle wasn't for MJ and Pippen, because they were gifted enough to be able to score in any offense.. It was more so for everyone else on the team..
@PHATRAT75
@PHATRAT75 17 дней назад
If we gonna use the label analogy then Lebron's 1st two accolades would be like an artist doing a real hot feature on someone's else album. He didn't win until he joined or as people say formed a super team. Miami was D Wade's team. Respectfully
@InfamousJay2488
@InfamousJay2488 9 дней назад
Miami wasnt doing anything as Dwades team but getting bounced from the 1st round until Wade called Lebron who was a free agent yall act like the man demanded a trade out of Cleveland he was there for 7 years and took that team of nobodies to the Finals. Wade had Alonzo Mourning, Shaq and Gary Payton on that 06 squad. Players dont win chips by themselves.
@Themarlonprice
@Themarlonprice 2 дня назад
If we use the music analogy for Jordan he would be Eminem…incredible in his own lane and aggressive but most importantly, Part of an incredible engine set up for success. (Dre is Phil) But when you look at everything, you’d see he’s not the most complete artist. People simple prefer the consistent shock value and aggressiveness…he’s highly decorated with awards but fans only see him and Dre but not D-12 and management. (Teammates) Lebron would be Prince…Multifaceted with consistency and longevity. One is a rapper in arguably the best system…one is independent and incredibly successful with their own established engine because the labels (teams) jerked him. Only comparison is…they’re both artists. Different styles, different fans… One could easily say Prince is more successful and his fans understand that he plays many instruments, writes songs and puts on a great show.
@Sabrina-bz3tu
@Sabrina-bz3tu 23 дня назад
John Salley created this chaos and just sitting back enjoying it 🤣 20:55
@harrym9655
@harrym9655 22 дня назад
Just making excuses for Lebron. I wonder how much money Klutch sports is paying Salley… John said it himself, he is making these statements to stay relevant…
@gilfordmccormack8140
@gilfordmccormack8140 22 дня назад
Lol 🤣🤣🤣
@SubscribeTo007Von
@SubscribeTo007Von 21 день назад
Nice twist having him on the podcast
@keltonlangford1832
@keltonlangford1832 21 день назад
Exactly lol
@jefferykincey3907
@jefferykincey3907 21 день назад
Exactly! John just be saying stuff😂
@GodsArmy00
@GodsArmy00 23 дня назад
Lebron use to have a system: Surround him with shooters.
@mrblend
@mrblend 23 дня назад
lol... that just Allen Iverson 2001 drive n dish.
@babygoat_szn2548
@babygoat_szn2548 23 дня назад
@@mrblend FACTS 😂
@JohnnytNatural
@JohnnytNatural 23 дня назад
They couldn't even find him good shooters other than old shooters like Miller, Korver, Allen. Did he get a young Reddick? No
@innerstatescrilla1887
@innerstatescrilla1887 23 дня назад
​@@JohnnytNatural They got the players he wanted. How do y'all forget. None of the players play their game. They wait til he runs the clock down & hr wants someone to make a shot with no rhythm & he plays no defense.. yikes!
@marquisfelder3170
@marquisfelder3170 23 дня назад
@@mrblend lol thats just the college basket ball system lol
@frankpanacea3918
@frankpanacea3918 18 дней назад
Good healthy convo . I love it 👏
@lowland0515
@lowland0515 19 дней назад
great convo
@HitemupLs
@HitemupLs 23 дня назад
"I'm just being serious” 😂😂
@Daniel-lf7um
@Daniel-lf7um 23 дня назад
He sucks just a bench player
@Nysdaddy
@Nysdaddy 23 дня назад
And Lebron is nowhere near Mike.
@jimmybootz1277
@jimmybootz1277 23 дня назад
​​​ He was a first round pick how would he be coming off the bennnnnch💡🤨😐.......🤔💭........waiiiitt a minute your just a casual aren't you?..... and aren't you a🧌 too???wait your one of those casual🧌's???🤯first time meeting one nowww I get it 😐.........if you don't get the fook outta here with that 🐂-💩🙄😮‍💨
@Ebonyleopard
@Ebonyleopard 23 дня назад
@@Daniel-lf7umI’ll take the money and the rings along with the extended career to sit on the bench then.
@user-kk9oz2zi4c
@user-kk9oz2zi4c 22 дня назад
@@Daniel-lf7um you are retarded
@devinsmart1547
@devinsmart1547 23 дня назад
15:40 “this is a great analogy, I’m stealing this for a segment”😂😂
@MrMikelew2929
@MrMikelew2929 23 дня назад
He learned to listen😂
@GarenteedTires
@GarenteedTires 18 дней назад
did you see how Mccants was looking when John Salley said Gil would make a great coach...27:33
@wendellbradley5032
@wendellbradley5032 18 дней назад
I agree with Sally! I’m not a player. But this show, was the Best that I’ve seen on Gills show. Great Minds; great Minds. You all have helped me understand the histories and individuals, and with the game is today and where it’s going tomorrow. You remain blessed.
@popetaytv
@popetaytv 23 дня назад
McCants has solid opening points, that he just consistently drops the ball with.
@Mmmkay..
@Mmmkay.. 23 дня назад
I was agreeing with him until he said lebron doesn’t have a bag smh
@harwn999
@harwn999 23 дня назад
Because he never had a point. He tried to piggy back off of John Sally point!
@popetaytv
@popetaytv 23 дня назад
@@Mmmkay.. yeah thats one of the weirdest things being said about Bron now lol.
@popetaytv
@popetaytv 23 дня назад
@@harwn999 fair point lol
@KingCarolina_
@KingCarolina_ 23 дня назад
@@popetaytvespecially considering the fact that his bag has gotten bigger the older he’s become.
@JudiciousMind
@JudiciousMind 23 дня назад
Phil was a new coach when began coaching Jordan. Riley was a new coach when he coached Magic, and Kerr was a new coach when he coached Curry. Bron isn’t the only player to win with new coaches. Also, Miami had a system when Bron played there.
@2123lotto
@2123lotto 23 дня назад
What system and what these systems do without LBJ WAS GONE⁉️
@user-lt1fx2he5s
@user-lt1fx2he5s 23 дня назад
@@2123lottoErik Spoelstra still went to two NBA Finals without a superstar as his best player
@Bestthingsince93
@Bestthingsince93 23 дня назад
@@2123lottowell Miami went to the finals twice post lebron
@thedemariofields
@thedemariofields 23 дня назад
He’s gotten more coaches their first rings than the others though 🤔
@joechucks1555
@joechucks1555 23 дня назад
@@Bestthingsince93 so we rewarding coaches for going to the finals and losing but insult lebron for going to 10 finals and losing 6. Please make it make sense
@sjwilliams5883
@sjwilliams5883 2 дня назад
Reason Bron don’t have more rings is bc he played against some hella stacked teams. Only one he shouldn’t have lost was the Mavs that was on him
@kswervin
@kswervin 2 дня назад
Naw mavs swept the 2x champs everyone underestimated 2011 mavs
@bionicprince
@bionicprince 11 дней назад
This is high level sports conversation!
@moah2086
@moah2086 23 дня назад
This was probably one of the best MJ, Kobe, Lebron debate I’ve ever seen. ESPN and other media/podcast will definitely be using the analogies yall used. Shoutout to Gil’s Arena 🙌🏽🙌🏽
@owendavion2242
@owendavion2242 23 дня назад
💯
@Heemkeem_9
@Heemkeem_9 23 дня назад
It’s not lol Rashad counter should’ve been tht if Jordan and Kobe was to move around and stack the decks how many chips would Jordan or Kobe have
@cedricgriffin4932
@cedricgriffin4932 23 дня назад
Moving around or even stacking the deck does nothing.... History has shown that too... Only guarantee wins is a great system ​@@Heemkeem_9
@moah2086
@moah2086 23 дня назад
@@Heemkeem_9 they didn’t need to cuz of the team an organization/coach they had. Unless you’re saying MJ could’ve had better players than Rodman, Pippen, Kerr, etc…and Kobe could’ve had better than Shaq, Pau?
@Heemkeem_9
@Heemkeem_9 22 дня назад
@@moah2086 lmaoo dude just named …. STEVE KERR 😂😂🤣🤣😳😳 and YES Jordan could’ve had better players than Scottie and Rodman … do u know what Dwayne was the first two years of the 3 peat ? Easily a top 4-6 player in the league and then u pair that with bosh who was a top 8-12 player in the league , and pau !?! 🤣🤣🤣😂 really really good player but he’s no top 5 player in the world lol go look at tht two peat lakers roster again … went to the finals 3 years in the west when it was as tuff as it’s ever been … imagine what they would’ve did if Kobe got to play with an Amare and a Chris Paul for 4 years . Shaq is shaq and I give u tht but to me Kobe’s career defining years are from 04-2011
@LookingNlaughing8589
@LookingNlaughing8589 23 дня назад
Man y’all gotta put Tim Duncan up there…5 chips in 6 tries
@newelldavis1858
@newelldavis1858 23 дня назад
Spurs and Duncan never repeated Bro..meaning they never dominated ..lakers three peated and repeated in Spurs prime
@39jeffpayne
@39jeffpayne 23 дня назад
Here you go with this chip shit!!did you not listen to wtf they were saying or you just jump str8 in the comments
@mb8140
@mb8140 23 дня назад
@@newelldavis1858duncan won 5 during kobe’s prime and 4 during shaqs. they dominated u jus tryna move the goalpost
@clips0292
@clips0292 23 дня назад
@@newelldavis1858 you casuals are funny. Duncan never had a top 10 player ever on his team. Tony was never a top 10 player / Manu was never a top 10 player / kawhi was never a top 10 player in SA. Kobe had Shaq not only was Shaq a top 3 player in the league at the time but he’s also A TOP 10 player OF ALL TIME LOL. Give Duncan a top 10 player and see how many championships he wins lol
@JustinR150
@JustinR150 23 дня назад
Yeah Duncan gets overlooked and it’s crazy I’m 29 and I remember how dominant the Spurs were like every year form early 2000’s to early 2010’s that’s insane.
@ghoggkendrick1515
@ghoggkendrick1515 18 дней назад
I like when players that played break down basketball it brings us in to the truth of how they think about the x and O's of the game
@storieharris2421
@storieharris2421 13 дней назад
What’s crazy to me is PEOPLE MAKE IT SEEM LIKE LEBRON WON THEM RINGS BY HIMSELF!!!! BUT NEVER MENTIONED THE FACT HE HAD SUPER TEAMS WITH EVERY CHAMPION SHIP! That’s the system lebron was in “ the SUPER TEAM SYSTEM!”
@lewismoultrie5548
@lewismoultrie5548 12 дней назад
At the time the Bulls were a super team as well...
@mkingadiffernce
@mkingadiffernce 12 дней назад
Nobody seems like that, just like mj had help and Kobe, and magic, and bird, and Tim Duncan. People who know basketball know!!!
@storieharris2421
@storieharris2421 10 дней назад
@@lewismoultrie5548 Dwayne wade the star for heat! , Chris Bosh start for Toronto! Kevin love star for the wolves, kyrie Irving star for Cleveland! Anthony Davis star for pelicans! All these guys are the number one option plus leading scorer on their teams…..Dennis Rodman didn’t lead no damn team in his life, and Pippen only lead the bulls when Mike left…..AGAIN WHAT SUPER TEAM MJ JOINED? Did he join Bird, Magic, Barkley or even Reggie miller? Lol see the difference?
@sideshowbobsaget8876
@sideshowbobsaget8876 10 дней назад
@@lewismoultrie5548 Bulls were never a superteam
@artistamisto
@artistamisto 9 дней назад
Nobody won rings by themselves in a team sport.
@persistentlypathetic6820
@persistentlypathetic6820 23 дня назад
When all else fails, Just talk about LeBron. Dude is always brought up for no reason whatsoever.
@keithen8708
@keithen8708 23 дня назад
🧢
@thomaswatson201130
@thomaswatson201130 23 дня назад
The most hated athlete of all time
@Dipset415
@Dipset415 23 дня назад
@@thomaswatson201130well deserved 💯🤨🤙🏿
@Gk54493
@Gk54493 23 дня назад
You keep clicking on the videos but want to complain. Bro have a secret obsession with LeBron lmao
@Chademac81
@Chademac81 23 дня назад
Um gil talks about bron 24/7 on anybody's show. Just like unk..
@moespriggs3
@moespriggs3 23 дня назад
McCants be talking in circles bruh, basically tryna find a reason to hate on Bron lol
@Terryteages
@Terryteages 22 дня назад
Made himself dizzy with his talking points!! lol
@boosiesfade
@boosiesfade 22 дня назад
Haha yeap. Never fails. He fucked up when he said Bron would have been as good as Gil thinks he is if he had a system. He thought that proved his point as to why Bron ain't the GOAT. But Gil exposed it with the record label analogy. Lmao. Anytime he makes a point & then realizes it actually works against him, he'll just change his point 😂
@moespriggs3
@moespriggs3 22 дня назад
@@boosiesfade Big facts! he on the show to create controversy anyways so i guess he play his role lol
@4yourEyezTV
@4yourEyezTV 22 дня назад
Man that Nicca a fan , he had a whole lebron laker jersey on in one of the recent shows. He a goofy
@brasstaxz7030
@brasstaxz7030 22 дня назад
Yeah he was struggling to justify his hate
@lewismoultrie5548
@lewismoultrie5548 12 дней назад
A lot of facts spoken.... you are constantly going to hear things like this for the next 20 years.
@mrtycoon1
@mrtycoon1 День назад
Idk, this is probably the best argument I’ve seen them have in a while and they make this argument every other episode lol
@blazedup4208
@blazedup4208 23 дня назад
Everything Sally said in that podcast clip was on point
@theanalyticalrevolutionary3415
@theanalyticalrevolutionary3415 23 дня назад
He literally makes sense.
@anniejohnson3727
@anniejohnson3727 23 дня назад
🎉
@user-xi4nm2ow7q
@user-xi4nm2ow7q 23 дня назад
Maybe it’s because he coached three of the top 10 players of all time. I think my grandmother could’ve won a championship with those rosters.
@user-xi4nm2ow7q
@user-xi4nm2ow7q 23 дня назад
Top 8
@lapx1
@lapx1 23 дня назад
guy's arguing without communication skills 😢
@johnp550
@johnp550 23 дня назад
Jordan’s skill set had coaches calling him the best basketball player ever before he stepped on an NBA floor.
@Dipset415
@Dipset415 23 дня назад
Bobby knight
@malikdavis1451
@malikdavis1451 23 дня назад
Lies he was not the man coming into the NBA. LeBron was.
@johnp550
@johnp550 23 дня назад
@@malikdavis1451 Hahahahaha 🤣😂
@MrComputertrends
@MrComputertrends 23 дня назад
​​@@johnp550not sure why you are laughing he is actually right. He never even went first in the draft. That was The Dream. Jordan went 3rd. He got to develop without any pressure.
@iluvcakes19
@iluvcakes19 23 дня назад
​@@malikdavis1451that's 🧢... Yes he was.
@KW-hk5kw
@KW-hk5kw 18 дней назад
The guy in the red pants is spot on and well spoken without being bias. Gilbert keeps on making contradictions and making no sense. And Jordan always did well against Detroit, but having a stronger supporting cast is what helped push Chicago over. John Sally is acting like Detroit owned Jordan. No, Detroit owned Chicago because they didn't have the team yet!
@mkingadiffernce
@mkingadiffernce 12 дней назад
I don’t think he gave that vibe because people forget he played with Jordan and won a chip at the end of he’s career I believe thats why he knows so much about the triangle
@takethedamnphoto
@takethedamnphoto 18 дней назад
Brandon Jennings at 6:08 LOL
@2gz295
@2gz295 23 дня назад
So you telling me lebron didn’t play in a system in Miami? D wade , Bosh , an bron
@Freshprince186
@Freshprince186 23 дня назад
Defensive one yes. Offensive, not really. Look how golden state moved around, Denver, spurs. Those are offense systems because they dont wear out your best player.
@jpolweny
@jpolweny 23 дня назад
Its called a Super Team system
@albertdaley9093
@albertdaley9093 23 дня назад
Thats dwade system my guy not lebron
@2cents250
@2cents250 23 дня назад
@@Freshprince186hmmm ray allen dwade and bosh offered him plenty of offensive support. Had lebron not choked in 2011 dwade would have won the fmvp.
@GiovanniBallerinii
@GiovanniBallerinii 23 дня назад
​@@2cents250you are wrong, but for the right reasons, he had space with bosh and ray the year after, 2012 where bosh was moved as 5, before in 2011 the was no space
@brandonwatson5290
@brandonwatson5290 20 дней назад
That label analogy was on point Gil
@matthewgabbana5021
@matthewgabbana5021 18 дней назад
No it wasn’t
@brandonwatson5290
@brandonwatson5290 18 дней назад
@@matthewgabbana5021 explain
@matthewgabbana5021
@matthewgabbana5021 18 дней назад
@@brandonwatson5290 Lebron doesn’t like being coached, he wants to be the coach, even if he had the same coaching staffs as MJ and Kobe . Lebron wants to run everything and call the shots
@GirlDad_93
@GirlDad_93 17 дней назад
⁠​⁠@@matthewgabbana5021you just described an “independent artist” 😅
@matthewgabbana5021
@matthewgabbana5021 17 дней назад
@@GirlDad_93 Ok well don’t get upset if he doesn’t have a “good coaching “ system if he doesn’t try too. Even if he had Phil Jackson, bron still wouldn’t be coached
@sherwinferguson5080
@sherwinferguson5080 11 дней назад
Shout out to John Salley and Rashad McCants. Only people who actually having a debate. The way this conversation went before Gil tried to reset the room actually was the most honest anyone has been about the GOAT conversation. Just because a guy brute force his way to success doesn't mean that he had a "harder" or takes away from the others success. Why do good artists borrow and great artists steal, because you understand your faults and short comings and work on it to get better. The fact is, Kobe and Jordan has more success because they learned from history as well as from within, that's why you never heard blame or criticism on anyone else. You are the leader, no one cares about your troops because they are your troops.
@Cell-kh1rs
@Cell-kh1rs 17 дней назад
THANK YOU ! Gil speaking FACTS
@VOICEtheVILLAIN
@VOICEtheVILLAIN 22 дня назад
The main issue is LeBron had the option to have a system NUMEROUS times because Bron had heavy influence on coaching choices. And the one time he was in a system (Miami) he decided to leave. You can make the argument he chose this career.
@Kidimo_
@Kidimo_ 22 дня назад
Running in back with a injured miami heat squad that has a system or be the first player in your city’s history to bring a championship home which doesnt have a system but alot more potential than it did in the first stint? Im picking the second one too
@jaun74
@jaun74 22 дня назад
I really don’t understand why nobody talks about that.. he literally picks the rookie coaches that coach his teams.. it’s always been his decision. He just doesn’t want a system.. he wants the top players, not the system
@george2198
@george2198 22 дня назад
He had to go back and win with cleavland to get that monkey or demon of his back...
@george2198
@george2198 22 дня назад
​@@jaun74talking rubbish about things u don't know.
@reemoe9374
@reemoe9374 22 дня назад
Bingo
@Ricos5560
@Ricos5560 23 дня назад
We gon ignore how salley said he’s 6’11 and 2 quarters 🤣 10:22
@garystrucklaterin9310
@garystrucklaterin9310 22 дня назад
lol like nigga you 6’11 1/2 🤣🤣 talking about 2 quarters
@rrw5834
@rrw5834 17 дней назад
I agree with the magic comparison
@SipSlowVirgo
@SipSlowVirgo 3 дня назад
I love these sport conversations.
@user-ft4nr9qg5w
@user-ft4nr9qg5w 20 дней назад
Mccant be having them on ropes but he be falling out the rails in the middle of the conversations 😂🤦🏾‍♂️
@higuysitswillierite
@higuysitswillierite 19 дней назад
Facts McCants challenge the narrative and incorrect bs because he know some is hating
@Kthetruth
@Kthetruth 19 дней назад
No he's just wrong. The phones from 20 years ago aren't as good as the phones now. It's the evolution of humans. Jordan was huge and that's cuz we didn't have social media and all that shit. Lebron has been so great during all this social media era and everything. It's so obvious lebron would have been better if you take him at age 26 and put him against Jordan.
@sroland3533
@sroland3533 19 дней назад
BS .... You take LECHOKE at 26 and put him up against MJ he'll QUIT just like Musgy Bouges did. Wht y'all dnt wnt to Accept ADMIT or Deal With is the Simple fact tht the game is easier today, bcse if you take the LECHOKE who got SWEPT by DALLAS with the same Team and put them against the 91 PISTONS who MJ beat they wud be SWEPT AGAIN but if you take tht same 91 MJ and put them against the MAVS, yow the tbl will be Turned EASILY and hey amma play with my same Bulls Squad.
@ericellis1573
@ericellis1573 18 дней назад
Nah he just be wrong yall trippin
@bobbybacland4222
@bobbybacland4222 18 дней назад
you hate lebron too
@ck.standard
@ck.standard 23 дня назад
Rashad started off so strong but his bias kicked in. Mike & Kobe never won anything outside the triangle. (I'm not knocking them for that either.)
@billyenglish7231
@billyenglish7231 23 дня назад
They also didn't jump around team to team either
@Explanatoryman
@Explanatoryman 23 дня назад
@@billyenglish7231you sound like a meat rider
@givenchyoverall
@givenchyoverall 23 дня назад
@@billyenglish7231they didn’t have to, they had a front office who had brains and actually made good moves. Every team bron played on the front office was brain dead
@jon401
@jon401 23 дня назад
@@billyenglish7231 if bron had shaq, that bulls squad, hof coaches, and didn't have to go up against better competition he wouldn't have left. situations are different.
@HomerunsamSOSA
@HomerunsamSOSA 23 дня назад
@@givenchyoverallMiami front office brain dead ? Wow lmao
@nimbus9954
@nimbus9954 9 дней назад
Mccants been serving gil up all szn.
@Illjustaskmyself
@Illjustaskmyself 14 дней назад
I appreciate Rashad McCants' insights and John Salley's strong understanding of the intricacies of the triangle offense. I agree with Rashard. Rashard is becoming a superstar in this space. I can see the level and potential. I hope we get to work together. 1. **Jordan and Kobe's Skill Sets**: Both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant thrived in the triangle offense due to their ability to play effectively both with and without the ball. Their diverse skill sets allowed them to adapt and excel within this system, making them more versatile and skilled in comparison to other players who might rely more heavily on having the ball in their hands. 2. **LeBron James' Play Style**: LeBron James' game is often centered around his ability to control the ball and facilitate the offense. His style might not align as well with the triangle offense, which requires players to function seamlessly without the ball. 3. **Triangle Offense's Strength**: The triangle offense is praised for its ability to create consistent offensive advantages through coordinated movement and strategic counters. Its complexity and demand for teamwork can make it less appealing to superstars who prefer more ball-dominant roles, contributing to its mixed reputation. 4. **System vs. Individual Performance**: The discussion on how systems like the triangle offense affect individual statistics versus team success is compelling. While playing within such a system might limit individual scoring potential, it often leads to greater team success and championships, as seen with Jordan and Kobe.
@Flamangatang
@Flamangatang 20 дней назад
Phil Jackson was coaching in Mexico when the Bulls hired him to come and coach an already MVP/DPOY Michael Jordan. It was the fact that MJ listened and made everyone else fall in line that made it work. If he treated Phil the way LBJ treats ALL his coaches going back to HS, none of us would know who Phil was.
@ajhaynes5721
@ajhaynes5721 20 дней назад
You’re wrong. Phil was in in Chicago when Mike won DPOY/MVP in 88. Phil was hired in 87 as an assistant under Doug Collins.
@robdon8994
@robdon8994 19 дней назад
Bro I grew up in Chicago watching Payton and Jordan, and you're wrong
@sirdiddymus9963
@sirdiddymus9963 19 дней назад
He's not completely wrong, just wrong about when Phil started with the bulls, but that's semantics to what he was saying. The rest of his point is valid, LeBron has never trusted or supported management & at times has actually actively worked against them or took responsibilities off them for himself. Le GM.
@Flamangatang
@Flamangatang 19 дней назад
@@ajhaynes5721 Don’t muddy up the convo with semantics, Phil was a behind the bench asst that was hired because he was willing to run Tex Winters the triangle offense that Krause wanted to run and Doug Collins didn’t. Phil was no coaching prodigy. Krause just really liked him. Jordan and Kobe had to sacrifice numbers in order to win championships. Mike didnt like the system because he didn’t want to lose games with role players handling the ball too much and taking shots. He was hard on his teammates to step their game up instead of running to replace them. They eventually did and he won 6 chips because of it. Kobe bucked the system a lot the first 3 chips, but he stuck with it enough to win 5 chips.
@ajhaynes5721
@ajhaynes5721 19 дней назад
@@Flamangatang I’m muddying the waters but YOU said some incorrect shit? Got it…. Facts actually matter but I digress. Carry on
@Bigfitz2
@Bigfitz2 23 дня назад
Not a Bron fan but it's crazy to say he doesn't have a bag
@OmniscientVirtuosity
@OmniscientVirtuosity 23 дня назад
He doesn’t
@jamiahlyons2133
@jamiahlyons2133 23 дня назад
@@OmniscientVirtuositylol the bagless one
@quincytidwell5019
@quincytidwell5019 23 дня назад
He doesn't have many moves
@lastname7321
@lastname7321 23 дня назад
What is his go to move?
@LUMBEEPHENOM2012
@LUMBEEPHENOM2012 23 дня назад
When you’re unstoppable down hill train you don’t need much
@mkingadiffernce
@mkingadiffernce 12 дней назад
John Salley “I’m just being serious “🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@sojo_z4638
@sojo_z4638 19 дней назад
Gil funny af man had me dead when he was talkin bout his whole staff gon be the bad boys 🤣💀
@dawanmthompson8545
@dawanmthompson8545 23 дня назад
McCants said ‘88 MJ vs ‘23 Bron 😂😂😂😂 how tf is that fair?!
@TbellNoTacos
@TbellNoTacos 23 дня назад
I'm surprised they let that slide
@kiggss
@kiggss 23 дня назад
right you wanna do that LETS GET 2018 BRON
@apeacefulmindx
@apeacefulmindx 22 дня назад
@@kiggss Jordan was still a better shooter, more skilled, better defender, more creative, better scorer, better dunker, just better. 88-91 Jordan is better than anybody who ever played. Plus he had elite scoring seasons before.
@kingcollins3965
@kingcollins3965 21 день назад
​@apeacefulmindx your stupid. Go play 2k. Stopping speaking on basketball. 2023 lebron is like talking about wizards Jordan.
@Life_943
@Life_943 20 дней назад
84 to 88 Jordan vs Lebron Entire Career
@angeloficarrotta2666
@angeloficarrotta2666 23 дня назад
Wait, Lebron was like Magic. Who was Magic’s coach when he won his championships? Pat Riley. When Lebron was in Miami whose system was he in? Pat Riley. If Lebron wanted to be a part of a winning system, he had one. He left it.
@penkima4923
@penkima4923 23 дня назад
When LeBron joined the Lakers, Magic Johnson was the president of the team. They missed the playoffs, and Magic left his position. If LeBron for once would've taken responsibility of his team, he'd kept playing with Magic, then LeBron would have 10 rings.
@rjeanes3885
@rjeanes3885 23 дня назад
@@penkima4923missed the playoffs cause he was hurt?? He was in 4th before he went down lol
@jamalgrosvenor4368
@jamalgrosvenor4368 23 дня назад
He left and won twice since Miami. How many times has Miami won since LeBron left. Miami made it to the finals and lost to ...... Lebron
@fullmetal1766
@fullmetal1766 23 дня назад
​@@rjeanes3885 he wasn't hurt don't you remember he activated playoff mode
@Mateozz19
@Mateozz19 23 дня назад
Pat riley didn't coach the heat when bron was there fuck are you talking about. This is just like phil jackson with the knicks as the president... he didn't coach the players bruh... Jst because phil was a generational coach doesn't mean that system would translate to a newbie coach when he was a president.
@anthonyburnett6183
@anthonyburnett6183 16 дней назад
The Triangle is Hard to get Right gotta have the right fit of players to fully get the Triangle offense
@bulldogbradford8081
@bulldogbradford8081 10 дней назад
very, very intelligent conversation between Men!!! great job fellas!!!!!!
@suparick
@suparick 23 дня назад
McCants whole demeanor changed at the end 😂😂😂 Feelings was hurt
@MrFruscianteFan
@MrFruscianteFan 22 дня назад
The triangle didn’t enhance Kobe and Jordan. It enhanced the players around them.
@MacDeeDrumz
@MacDeeDrumz 22 дня назад
Yes you are right, Jordan was still Jordan, although he got smarter over time the triangle was designed to take the weight off Jordan but with a triangle you gotta have the pieces, Scottie had to evolve, Kobe and Shaq, Kobe was always Kobe he was always gonna work hard so you right it didn’t enhance them cause they were going to work on their game anyway.
@aaotrey106
@aaotrey106 21 день назад
If the players around you play better it makes it easier for you to hoop with enhances you … example KD in golden state he was just as good before that but when you put him around lethal shooters now you either gotta leave Steph or klay or let kd go 1v1 and teams tried everything and you couldn’t stop it
@MacDeeDrumz
@MacDeeDrumz 21 день назад
@@aaotrey106 yeah that’s cause it was a system, in anything that you in life you have to have a system so you can stay on track it’s the same with the team, if you have a system it makes winning easy but that’s if you have player capable. A lot teams Bron right now isn’t in a system, their system is, shoot the 3 and give it to AD and Bron just fill in I’d say they need a coach that will come and just turn it around
@xaviershelviejohnson5771
@xaviershelviejohnson5771 21 день назад
This the most factual comment of the topic. The triangle prevented teams from loading up on mike, shaq and kobe. Period. It gave them space to go one v one
@keltonlangford1832
@keltonlangford1832 21 день назад
Preach
@BeenInnaGymRich
@BeenInnaGymRich 14 дней назад
couldve sworn he was talkin about ‘Russ’ when he brought up the independent artist analogy
@TRELL3132
@TRELL3132 23 дня назад
Aye that record label comparison by Gil was a great one never heard it out like that
@AfricanH3ro
@AfricanH3ro 23 дня назад
I'm a pretty firm believer that a set system wouldn't enhance what LeBron does it would lessen it. Bron is the system wherever he goes for better or worse.
@Zyouknowwhoitisalready
@Zyouknowwhoitisalready 22 дня назад
No such thing as a player being a system, people heard Harden say that and ran with it
@LOL-ro9ef
@LOL-ro9ef 22 дня назад
For worse.
@harrym9655
@harrym9655 22 дня назад
Just making excuses for Lebron. I wonder how much money Klutch sports is paying Salley… John said it himself, he is making these statements to stay relevant…
@369pendulum
@369pendulum 22 дня назад
@@ZyouknowwhoitisalreadyKD said it about Kawhi first
@atlien1988
@atlien1988 22 дня назад
LeBron doesn't have amazing fundamentals off ball lol. He loves the way he grew up playing in HS/AAU and is afraid of CHANGE as it makes him uncomfortable. That's why Spoelstra went to Chip Kelly to learn his Spread Offense & fundamentally change how bigs play for him to succeed. Not only that, the league literally dumbed down the rules to make it easier for perimeter players to succeed!
@00h8
@00h8 19 дней назад
Good barbershop convo. If jordan and kobe had 2 top 10 players on their team and no "system" for the majority of their careers what would they have?
@shaunixtvxx7278
@shaunixtvxx7278 18 дней назад
Good podcast
@jamesparker4439
@jamesparker4439 23 дня назад
This was a hell of a show. Y'all broke this down. Very intellectual
@PotatoGunCamper
@PotatoGunCamper 23 дня назад
You casuals please do NOT give Phil credit for the Triangle. Tex Winter was the mind behind the triangle and was on Phil’s staff pn every team
@koolaid14100
@koolaid14100 23 дня назад
So Phil Jackson and the creator were BOTH on the bulls roster. Got it.
@hendrikdalnoot2821
@hendrikdalnoot2821 23 дня назад
@@koolaid14100lol fr
@russwagner8805
@russwagner8805 23 дня назад
Not everyone's fault the story ain't told .... calm down hero
@Doh_Chee
@Doh_Chee 23 дня назад
Phil won 11 rings implementing the Triangle. He certainly mastered it.
@sholovesholove4620
@sholovesholove4620 23 дня назад
But you give Jordan credit as if Jordan knew ANYTHING about a triangle before Phil (tex)
@hoopsfan3437
@hoopsfan3437 18 дней назад
Lebron has always been *the* system...Once he got to miami teams started to build their rosters with players who complimented his play style i.e. shooters, 3&D guys, a bigman who rolled to the basket or who could play pick n' pop. When Lebron has gone to a team, the entire structure of the team was automatically structured around his strengths. His play style isn't really conducive to a system like the triangle because he's pretty much a point forward who needs the ball in his hands to be most effective.
@dnevs79
@dnevs79 10 дней назад
The problems with this arguments concerning players is that it is often elemental and not the sum of the elements.
@kevowsk1
@kevowsk1 23 дня назад
Anytime I see John Salley talkin Basketball, I watch.
@SKIITV
@SKIITV 23 дня назад
What did u learn?
@penkima4923
@penkima4923 23 дня назад
Any time I see John Salley talking basketball, he says something he obviously came up with himself and is not true.
@DeVonDaBomb
@DeVonDaBomb 23 дня назад
-something no real one has ever said😂😂😂😂
@newelldavis1858
@newelldavis1858 23 дня назад
Salley ..Pip ..Barkley ..Zeke etc …Jealous in their own way of MJ .and for good reason
@Laid2Sleep
@Laid2Sleep 22 дня назад
You shouldn't be proud to say that. He will say anything to stay relevant.
@jackers245
@jackers245 20 дней назад
Ever notice Detroit Pistons players inevitably in the end go against Jordan.
@mobetta2092
@mobetta2092 19 дней назад
Because they beat Jordan and he’s not invincible in their view. Bird and McHale also speak to LeBron as being greater.
@factsovertheyfeelings5303
@factsovertheyfeelings5303 18 дней назад
Facts Detroit Had the blueprint they beat La,Bos,and Bulls
@jackers245
@jackers245 18 дней назад
Dirty play isn't basketball!​@@factsovertheyfeelings5303
@jackers245
@jackers245 18 дней назад
​@@mobetta2092Bird never ever said LeBron was better!
@SplashBandicoot5
@SplashBandicoot5 13 дней назад
@@jackers245Bird kind of said it recently “he’s one of the greatest if not the greatest” i don’t remember the interview he said it on but was not too long ago
@enriquedeanda1987
@enriquedeanda1987 19 дней назад
The all are great. Love all their games. Respect all eras.
@1974Mjordan
@1974Mjordan 3 дня назад
The system does not dictate the skill set. Mike did everything without a system except win.
@carllee7122
@carllee7122 23 дня назад
The Warriors, Bulls and Lakers were a solid system because of the chemistry they had with players that played together for a long period of time along with great coaching.
@user-lt1fx2he5s
@user-lt1fx2he5s 23 дня назад
Their best players were also coachable and took blame and accountability
@carllee7122
@carllee7122 23 дня назад
@@user-lt1fx2he5s let me guess. That’s a shot at LeBron?
@user-lt1fx2he5s
@user-lt1fx2he5s 23 дня назад
@@carllee7122It’s not a shot, it’s just the truth.
@alk7478
@alk7478 23 дня назад
There was no pressure to win like LeBron faced. LeBron was never given the luxury of time to build consistency because he was expected to win every year.
@GiovanniBallerinii
@GiovanniBallerinii 23 дня назад
​@@user-lt1fx2he5skobe coachable
@Traeshawn23
@Traeshawn23 23 дня назад
Crazy how the Jordan’s and Kobe’s praise Bron but the lesser talented players hate on him
@delscott958
@delscott958 22 дня назад
They don’t praise that dude….Stop it! Giving props and praise is two different things.
@Wisestomatoe
@Wisestomatoe 22 дня назад
@@delscott958Kobe definitely praised Bron get out your feelings
@delscott958
@delscott958 22 дня назад
@@Wisestomatoe Told to get out my feelings by a dude that calls another man by a pet name. That’s what his wife calls him. How about that? 😂
@Wisestomatoe
@Wisestomatoe 22 дня назад
@@delscott958 nigga wtf are you talking about
@OGGOAT23
@OGGOAT23 20 дней назад
Fake news 🤥
@faheemhaque4680
@faheemhaque4680 19 дней назад
Before Jordan had the triangle system, he was scoring 37 ppg, averaged close to a triple double when he played PG. Once he went into the triangle system, he had the ball less and stats suffered. The system got more championships but less stats, with role players. LeBron’s championships needed multiple All-NBA players playing alongside LeBron during their primes. Not only that, but most of LeBron’s competition also didn’t have systems. The teams that had systems gave LeBron problems, like the Spurs, Warriors, and Nuggets.
@Skalawaswarmy
@Skalawaswarmy 17 дней назад
exactly that's why I can't believe that as smart as these men are here they completely ignore those facts just to say Lebron would be the goat if he played in a system. Lebron's entire goat case is build on hypotheticals and it almost seems like an agenda more than a genuine take
@coachharper10
@coachharper10 16 дней назад
I didn’t notice anyone say that Jordan needed to go play on super teams! Add Jordan or Kobe to in place of LeBron on that Miami team do they lose a Finals series?
@jamesonedwardsii4943
@jamesonedwardsii4943 15 дней назад
I HATE how people leave out the absolute fact that LeBron couldn’t even beat the Spurs with the refs on his side. No one ever talks about how players win because they have the refs. After MJ got the refs he never lost a finals. Kobe with the refs and Shaq beat the kings. Look at what Luka is doing right now with the refs. When you have the refs you’re SUPPOSED to win! The fact LeBron couldn’t was crazy to me. Steph won 2 rings with the refs against him. Bron is one of the few superstars I’ve seen lose with the refs on his side.
@crushitbabyyouheard
@crushitbabyyouheard 14 дней назад
Imagine how many NBA World Championships Kobe Bryant would have won if Shaquille O'Neal didn't leave the Los Angeles Lakers. Imagine how many NBA World Championships wl Michael Jordan would have won without Scottie Pippen? We can on forever with the iffa coulda woulda scenarios all day long. What the panel does not tell you is Lebron James ring chasing from Cleveland Cavaliers to Miami Heat 🔥 then back to the Cleveland Cavaliers then the Los Angeles Lakers to win Championships. In reality Lebron James cheated the game of basketball 🏀.. In NBA history superstars don't jump from team to a contending NBA World Championships team after they lose in Championships. The goal is to eliminate the competition not to play with all the competition.
@beatituptvlive4148
@beatituptvlive4148 14 дней назад
Warriors had a system and spurs got a culture system
@marcustownsend3835
@marcustownsend3835 18 дней назад
He had a system pat system in Miami.
@kenkenesu5746
@kenkenesu5746 22 дня назад
The thing is, it seems like they're using two different styles of arguments to defend lebron, and dont do the same for the other two. They're giving the " but you have to add context" argument for the areas where lebron falls short, and the switching to the absolute, raw numbers argument when it benefits lebron. Like you cant say "his 4 rings must be looked at in the context of his teammates and lack of system" and then just say "well he has the most points so end of discussion". Do the same for the other two then. You could easily say "kobe or jordan dont have the most points but context" and then add "and they have more rings, end of discussion". I think thats where Rashad and Gil missed each other. Gil jumps from saying "lebron should get extra points for these circumstances" to "lebron is numerically the best in this category, period"-you cant win a discussion when dude is just gonna change the metric/argument to favor who he has decided should win. If we're looking at it both of these ways, lets do it for all three and stack it up.
@peterkoroma7876
@peterkoroma7876 20 дней назад
bron being the best player to play in the nba isn't up to debate, jordan and kobe system players with 5 and 6. bron the system with 8 straight trips to the finals and 4 chips. nuff said
@fructose742
@fructose742 19 дней назад
@@peterkoroma7876 when did bron played in the system and got his 8? bruh you trippin? Bron is the system, we cannot possibly know what happens if he plays with a coach that has a system, unless he does next year. These are hypothetical arguments, that's all there is to it.
@TheKayFThree
@TheKayFThree 19 дней назад
@@peterkoroma7876 if you think bron never had a system you don’t watch basketball. Bron is the system. Notice how every team he played on ran the exact same plays. Had the exact same play style. That’s not a coincidence.
@peterkoroma7876
@peterkoroma7876 15 дней назад
@@fructose742 read what I said again
@peterkoroma7876
@peterkoroma7876 15 дней назад
@@TheKayFThree read what I said again buddy
@King_JappyJoe
@King_JappyJoe 22 дня назад
Gil been Lebrons #1 Superfan since he tapped his chest that game 😂😂😂
@fkillah
@fkillah 19 дней назад
No it’s been since Klutch has writing his checks
@bobbybacland4222
@bobbybacland4222 18 дней назад
gil is real
@mr.j410
@mr.j410 18 дней назад
On some joker loves batman shit
@Infinitefuture6
@Infinitefuture6 18 дней назад
Everybody is super fan of MJ.. what’s the difference
@K-MoneyOutDaBricks
@K-MoneyOutDaBricks 18 дней назад
Also it’s the fact they take 3s when they losing in critical moments when they just need a quick 2. that kills me watching them.
@chrisjones2320
@chrisjones2320 3 дня назад
The flopping is all i remember when hes gone 😂
@nicholaspu
@nicholaspu 22 дня назад
My new favorite is Gil restates macants argument, and then Brandon realizes how right Gil is, then kinda gets all excited but it’s like a chill excited.
@shanghuikhoo3157
@shanghuikhoo3157 18 дней назад
Gil is totally wrong. If we wanna compare MJ and Lebron without a system, we should only compare the first few years of MJ and Lebron to balance out the longevity of Lebron.
@PotatoGunCamper
@PotatoGunCamper 23 дня назад
If LeBron played for Pop or in any elite system he would have 8 rings by now. I have said this for a decade.
@IknowMoreThanYou
@IknowMoreThanYou 23 дня назад
Cap. Bron played with stacked superteams and if you named the 5 best coaches in the NBA rn Spo would be 1 and Lue would be 4 or 5
@odelljones6482
@odelljones6482 23 дня назад
So why wouldn’t he go play for Popivich then since he was a free agent?hell hes a free agent now and probably not going to have a good coach to come in so go play4Pop now
@stevenscummy1458
@stevenscummy1458 23 дня назад
@@IknowMoreThanYou He didn't have that his first 7 years though. To be fair LeBron had some bad luck too, he could be sitting on 6 or 7 rings now if A. His entire team wasn't injured in 2015, and B. KD didn't bandwagon the Warriors success (In an era that had refs discouraging defense) to create an unfair and non-competitive advantage, which was also enabled to happen by that offseason having a cap increase and Steph having a cheap contract at the time. 2017 and 2018 would have been a good competitive rivalry if KD didn't kill it
@perennialviralbasketball24
@perennialviralbasketball24 23 дня назад
He would have gotten the coach fired lol
@PotatoGunCamper
@PotatoGunCamper 23 дня назад
@@IknowMoreThanYou Those are not system coaches.
@Bollongoy
@Bollongoy 6 дней назад
In addition, Tim Cone, the winningest coach in the PBA uses the same system as well..
@mello31713
@mello31713 День назад
Rashad literally KILLS ME LIKE BRO!
@lovenotes6493
@lovenotes6493 23 дня назад
Show me where this 6’9 269 pound kid had NO skill set was so gifted as a scorer, defender and not just a passer???? WTH is McCants talking about?
@thegoatmane2715
@thegoatmane2715 23 дня назад
Skills meaning shooting ability, handles, can get to any spot he wants n score. Great free throw shooter, 3pt, mid range, post up etc. bron relies on athleticism & ball dominance. No real skillset but IQ. His rebounds n assists aren’t skillsets. He literally tells his teammates to move when getting a board n he holds the ball n pass last minute to get an assist. This why he shys away from big moments cuz he lacks creating his own with no real skillset. Reason why he needed wade, kyrie, ad to fill in the void.
@lovenotes6493
@lovenotes6493 23 дня назад
@thegoatmane2715 in order to have both athleticism AND skills it takes the proper IQ to formulate and use as an asset which he’s done his entire career. And last time I checked bball is a team sport which means ALL legendary superstars needed help in order to win. Russell, Bird, Zeke, Steph, MJ, Kobe and MJ did NOT win titles alone it took a total team effort and special players, Pippen was just as much an asset to Mike as Wade was to James
@THOBDY219
@THOBDY219 23 дня назад
@@thegoatmane2715I respect that…. But, when you have time, watch his highlights from 2007-2018, then, tell me he don’t have a bag…… not true…. He always had handles, just not kyrie, he worked on his jumper, and, post game…… like I said, I respect your opinion, but, I disagree
@THOBDY219
@THOBDY219 23 дня назад
@@thegoatmane2715and, he’s proven he’s there for the big moments….. it’s video proof…. We just want him to shoot 50 times a game
@JonSmith-hk1bq
@JonSmith-hk1bq 23 дня назад
@@thegoatmane2715 At this point, there isn't a player in history who has come through in more big moments than Lebron.
@brucebillionss
@brucebillionss 23 дня назад
You can’t tell me none of these coaches wanted to implement some form of an offense that they can fall back on. It all changes when Bron comes to the team
@kirbyaugustine761
@kirbyaugustine761 23 дня назад
Facts. Even Michael, as competitive and strong-willed as he is, acquiesced to Phil Jackson in order to win.
@centariogrier3255
@centariogrier3255 23 дня назад
I agree 100%. Ain't no way none of these coaches want to win!! Bron is ball-dominant so players just spot up. What more you want them to do?
@pedrovasquez2931
@pedrovasquez2931 23 дня назад
Right David Blatt tried
@hendrikdalnoot2821
@hendrikdalnoot2821 23 дня назад
Those aren’t comparable to the Triangle
@antsosa6635
@antsosa6635 23 дня назад
And he still got championships
@markh7831
@markh7831 19 дней назад
It's funny how they never mention wade and bosh who were superstars on his teams
@ghaile7919
@ghaile7919 19 дней назад
Just want to remind Gil that Phil become great when he worked along side MJ and Tex, It was never that he was already that brilliant coach as he is today when he coached the bulls. MJ is the greatest becausw he knows how to win even without the super team mates LJ had. MJ and Pippen compliment each other because MJ is a great leader and always have the will to win unlike lebron who always need superstars along side him to be abled to win. Lebron is great but NOT the greatest because Micheal Jeffrey Jordan is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME.
@teezyfbaby252
@teezyfbaby252 23 дня назад
Although I agree, you guys glossed over the fact of Lebron being in the eastern conference for most of his career. Put Kobe In the east during his prime with Kyrie/Love or D Wade/Bosh and he would've made just as many final appearances. He had much tougher comp in the west. This isn't a fair hypothetical for Lebron MJ, or Kobe. Let all 3 of them just be great
@ManagerMatt1
@ManagerMatt1 23 дня назад
Kobe shot more than lebron and shot below average for his career, being in the eastern conference doesnt change his poor shooting percentage.
@jerrodgarland2604
@jerrodgarland2604 23 дня назад
Kobe was never efficient Never lol even when he won finals mvp against the Celtics 2010 they gave it to him because it’s nobody else they could give it too without backlash Kobe won finals MVPs as the worst superstar to ever win with terrible shooting percentage
@JAYSPLASHMUSIC
@JAYSPLASHMUSIC 23 дня назад
Kobe isn’t in goat debate. His #s too low compared to mj and lebron. Kobe shot 43 % for his career . Jordan shot 50 %
@Blue.Marvel
@Blue.Marvel 23 дня назад
The same can be said of Prime LBJ in the West with better put together teams. He probably still went to 10 straight and most likely won more.
@richardjohnson668
@richardjohnson668 23 дня назад
Kobe also went to a Top 2 franchise too and I think that's glossed over. Easier to recruit and get talent. Is it ironic when he left he went to a destination franchise in Miami? Easier to recruit to Miami LA over Cleveland
@javon1134
@javon1134 23 дня назад
Dude said 88 mike and 2023 lebron. Compared a 25 year old to a 38 year old. You know u lost the debate. 😂
@IknowMoreThanYou
@IknowMoreThanYou 23 дня назад
98 Mike is better than any version of lebron
@fhfvonamir
@fhfvonamir 23 дня назад
@@IknowMoreThanYouLebron at 22 is smoking 98 Jordan lmao
@javon1134
@javon1134 23 дня назад
Man please. Lying to yourself
@kylonp7311
@kylonp7311 23 дня назад
@@fhfvonamir he couldn’t even out score Parker in the finals at 22 hush it kid
@jocofnazareth
@jocofnazareth 23 дня назад
​@@kylonp7311Jordan was a rookie at 22, not inda playoffs, what's your point ?
@brandonberry7902
@brandonberry7902 2 дня назад
It’s astronomical how people still compare a Bron, who left teams, won on multiple teams to Kobe, Mike, Steph Duncan all one team. Period, no more debate. Don’t know how many rings Kobe would have had he left and joined with 2 more superstars. People are delusional
@WindzaRyan
@WindzaRyan 16 дней назад
Its too early in the morning to be listening to Rashad McCants
@sishaq12
@sishaq12 23 дня назад
Salley dismissing Olajuwon's championship takes away his credibility. Also, no mention of Kareem in a GOAT discussion, further undercuts the discussion.
@jasonjohnson6987
@jasonjohnson6987 22 дня назад
@sishaq12 I understand most people didn't see Kareem in his prime. But he should always be in the GOAT conversation.
@thediseaseisthecure
@thediseaseisthecure 22 дня назад
@@jasonjohnson6987 ALWAYS
@TruthSerum99-zq9fi
@TruthSerum99-zq9fi 22 дня назад
Salley isn't trying to diminish Hakeem championships because he believes the Bulls would've won those seasons if the GOAT didn't retire. MANY people believe that. Lol
@DaneRobertson85
@DaneRobertson85 23 дня назад
So we gonna forget about Lebron being with Pat Riley / Spoelstra
@billlunsfordOH
@billlunsfordOH 22 дня назад
Purely for content i doubt any of these guys actually believe Leflop is better
@yeethers
@yeethers 22 дня назад
And he left because he couldn’t control the team and get rid of spoelstra
@Bobbymercer75
@Bobbymercer75 22 дня назад
False
@fredgipsonjr1962
@fredgipsonjr1962 22 дня назад
Pat Riley was never his coach just overseer. Spoelstra is not Phil Jackson or Kerr and they never ran no type of triangle type off offense
@laymankilgo3760
@laymankilgo3760 22 дня назад
Pat wouldn't coach and Eric was a rookie. Mj wouldn't play when Phil left the bulls,and couldn't win with the wizards,he couldn't even make the playoffs, and that wizards team had some great players. Anthony Jamison Jerry Stackhouse Juan Dixon Christian Latner Jahade White Richard Hamilton Turon Lue Ect.
@isaacshaver6218
@isaacshaver6218 16 дней назад
I dont even really like basketball, but im a man, so i keep aware of it. This discussion was very well thought out & entertaining. Ive been a gil fan since he was on VLad
@edgarashford2283
@edgarashford2283 15 дней назад
I don't understand the independent conversation about Lebron James. So in other words, Lebron James independently ran his own plays, coach the team while playing in the game and sub the players in and out the game? All professional basketball players play under a system that the HC implement to his players. The system might not as good as the triangle offense but all NBA players plays under a system.
@Str8_Cl0wnin
@Str8_Cl0wnin 23 дня назад
Rashad tries to make points to discredit Bron, starts moving his hands and adding more points… eventually he just makes the case for the Bron being the GOAT. He should just start arguing that Bron is his GOAT… it’ll eventually lead to points strengthening Mike and Kobe’s cases.
@jeffjohnsonization
@jeffjohnsonization 23 дня назад
Rashad might’ve made the best case for LeBron as the GOAT in this segment 😂
@penkima4923
@penkima4923 23 дня назад
@@jeffjohnsonization The initial point was made by John Salley, which means it's not true. LeBron played in a triangle offense at least during his second stint with the Cavs.
@BodyPuncher20s
@BodyPuncher20s 23 дня назад
Facts😂😂
@dodgertalk5764
@dodgertalk5764 23 дня назад
I like how you guys try to convince yourselves that Lebron is the GOAT with any BS opinion lol.
@raymondsims7042
@raymondsims7042 22 дня назад
@@dodgertalk5764mj is definitely number 1. Russell, Kareem, lebron make up the top four in my opinion
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