Gil's Arena GETS REAL On Why LeBron Doesn't Have More Rings 

It was Doug Collins who said "get the ball to Michael and get the hell out of the way", not Phil Jackson.

Salley was partially right. Phil Jackson said the triangle was designed to get role players shots, not the stars. He said MJ could get any shot at any time, but the triangle allowed the role players to stay involved in the offense.

Record sales doesn't mean the music is good. It just means it's popular.

Love that actual players discuss instead of never played talking heads. Great conversation.

“Well I’ve been watching the show…You don’t. You don’t not like LeBron”~ John Salley Comedic timing was clutch 😂 💎

Lebron should never be compared to MJ and Kobe. Lebron created his own lane and blueprint for success. All of them are the great.

the system don't mean sh*t if you don't have players like MJ, Kobe, Shaq. We saw what happened in NY

40k career points w/o a bag is quite impressive Rashad 😂😂

Mccants will make a great argument poorly

Jennings got me hot from saying malik monk better than donovan mitchell

This was the most introspective and informative discussion I've heard on this topic, really got me thinking.

John Salley schooled them young boys with his basketball knowledge.

Mccants tried to deny the fact he don’t like Lebron & Sally said “ I’ve been watching the show you don’t “ 🤣😭😭

Am I crazy that I completely understand Mccants this episode? Edit: Nevermind. This blunt hittin.

Steve Kerr said the triangle wasn't for MJ and Pippen, because they were gifted enough to be able to score in any offense.. It was more so for everyone else on the team..

If we gonna use the label analogy then Lebron's 1st two accolades would be like an artist doing a real hot feature on someone's else album. He didn't win until he joined or as people say formed a super team. Miami was D Wade's team. Respectfully

John Salley created this chaos and just sitting back enjoying it 🤣 20:55

Lebron use to have a system: Surround him with shooters.

Good healthy convo . I love it 👏

great convo

"I'm just being serious” 😂😂

15:40 “this is a great analogy, I’m stealing this for a segment”😂😂

did you see how Mccants was looking when John Salley said Gil would make a great coach...27:33

I agree with Sally! I’m not a player. But this show, was the Best that I’ve seen on Gills show. Great Minds; great Minds. You all have helped me understand the histories and individuals, and with the game is today and where it’s going tomorrow. You remain blessed.

McCants has solid opening points, that he just consistently drops the ball with.

Phil was a new coach when began coaching Jordan. Riley was a new coach when he coached Magic, and Kerr was a new coach when he coached Curry. Bron isn’t the only player to win with new coaches. Also, Miami had a system when Bron played there.

Reason Bron don’t have more rings is bc he played against some hella stacked teams. Only one he shouldn’t have lost was the Mavs that was on him

This is high level sports conversation!

This was probably one of the best MJ, Kobe, Lebron debate I’ve ever seen. ESPN and other media/podcast will definitely be using the analogies yall used. Shoutout to Gil’s Arena 🙌🏽🙌🏽

Man y’all gotta put Tim Duncan up there…5 chips in 6 tries

I like when players that played break down basketball it brings us in to the truth of how they think about the x and O's of the game

What’s crazy to me is PEOPLE MAKE IT SEEM LIKE LEBRON WON THEM RINGS BY HIMSELF!!!! BUT NEVER MENTIONED THE FACT HE HAD SUPER TEAMS WITH EVERY CHAMPION SHIP! That’s the system lebron was in “ the SUPER TEAM SYSTEM!”

When all else fails, Just talk about LeBron. Dude is always brought up for no reason whatsoever.

McCants be talking in circles bruh, basically tryna find a reason to hate on Bron lol

A lot of facts spoken.... you are constantly going to hear things like this for the next 20 years.

Idk, this is probably the best argument I’ve seen them have in a while and they make this argument every other episode lol

Everything Sally said in that podcast clip was on point

Jordan’s skill set had coaches calling him the best basketball player ever before he stepped on an NBA floor.

The guy in the red pants is spot on and well spoken without being bias. Gilbert keeps on making contradictions and making no sense. And Jordan always did well against Detroit, but having a stronger supporting cast is what helped push Chicago over. John Sally is acting like Detroit owned Jordan. No, Detroit owned Chicago because they didn't have the team yet!

Brandon Jennings at 6:08 LOL

So you telling me lebron didn’t play in a system in Miami? D wade , Bosh , an bron

That label analogy was on point Gil

Shout out to John Salley and Rashad McCants. Only people who actually having a debate. The way this conversation went before Gil tried to reset the room actually was the most honest anyone has been about the GOAT conversation. Just because a guy brute force his way to success doesn't mean that he had a "harder" or takes away from the others success. Why do good artists borrow and great artists steal, because you understand your faults and short comings and work on it to get better. The fact is, Kobe and Jordan has more success because they learned from history as well as from within, that's why you never heard blame or criticism on anyone else. You are the leader, no one cares about your troops because they are your troops.

THANK YOU ! Gil speaking FACTS

The main issue is LeBron had the option to have a system NUMEROUS times because Bron had heavy influence on coaching choices. And the one time he was in a system (Miami) he decided to leave. You can make the argument he chose this career.

We gon ignore how salley said he’s 6’11 and 2 quarters 🤣 10:22

I agree with the magic comparison

I love these sport conversations.

Mccant be having them on ropes but he be falling out the rails in the middle of the conversations 😂🤦🏾‍♂️

Rashad started off so strong but his bias kicked in. Mike & Kobe never won anything outside the triangle. (I'm not knocking them for that either.)

Mccants been serving gil up all szn.

I appreciate Rashad McCants' insights and John Salley's strong understanding of the intricacies of the triangle offense. I agree with Rashard. Rashard is becoming a superstar in this space. I can see the level and potential. I hope we get to work together. 1. **Jordan and Kobe's Skill Sets**: Both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant thrived in the triangle offense due to their ability to play effectively both with and without the ball. Their diverse skill sets allowed them to adapt and excel within this system, making them more versatile and skilled in comparison to other players who might rely more heavily on having the ball in their hands. 2. **LeBron James' Play Style**: LeBron James' game is often centered around his ability to control the ball and facilitate the offense. His style might not align as well with the triangle offense, which requires players to function seamlessly without the ball. 3. **Triangle Offense's Strength**: The triangle offense is praised for its ability to create consistent offensive advantages through coordinated movement and strategic counters. Its complexity and demand for teamwork can make it less appealing to superstars who prefer more ball-dominant roles, contributing to its mixed reputation. 4. **System vs. Individual Performance**: The discussion on how systems like the triangle offense affect individual statistics versus team success is compelling. While playing within such a system might limit individual scoring potential, it often leads to greater team success and championships, as seen with Jordan and Kobe.

Phil Jackson was coaching in Mexico when the Bulls hired him to come and coach an already MVP/DPOY Michael Jordan. It was the fact that MJ listened and made everyone else fall in line that made it work. If he treated Phil the way LBJ treats ALL his coaches going back to HS, none of us would know who Phil was.

Not a Bron fan but it's crazy to say he doesn't have a bag

John Salley “I’m just being serious “🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Gil funny af man had me dead when he was talkin bout his whole staff gon be the bad boys 🤣💀

McCants said ‘88 MJ vs ‘23 Bron 😂😂😂😂 how tf is that fair?!

Wait, Lebron was like Magic. Who was Magic’s coach when he won his championships? Pat Riley. When Lebron was in Miami whose system was he in? Pat Riley. If Lebron wanted to be a part of a winning system, he had one. He left it.

The Triangle is Hard to get Right gotta have the right fit of players to fully get the Triangle offense

very, very intelligent conversation between Men!!! great job fellas!!!!!!

McCants whole demeanor changed at the end 😂😂😂 Feelings was hurt

The triangle didn’t enhance Kobe and Jordan. It enhanced the players around them.

couldve sworn he was talkin about ‘Russ’ when he brought up the independent artist analogy

Aye that record label comparison by Gil was a great one never heard it out like that

I'm a pretty firm believer that a set system wouldn't enhance what LeBron does it would lessen it. Bron is the system wherever he goes for better or worse.

Good barbershop convo. If jordan and kobe had 2 top 10 players on their team and no "system" for the majority of their careers what would they have?

Good podcast

This was a hell of a show. Y'all broke this down. Very intellectual

You casuals please do NOT give Phil credit for the Triangle. Tex Winter was the mind behind the triangle and was on Phil’s staff pn every team

Lebron has always been *the* system...Once he got to miami teams started to build their rosters with players who complimented his play style i.e. shooters, 3&D guys, a bigman who rolled to the basket or who could play pick n' pop. When Lebron has gone to a team, the entire structure of the team was automatically structured around his strengths. His play style isn't really conducive to a system like the triangle because he's pretty much a point forward who needs the ball in his hands to be most effective.

The problems with this arguments concerning players is that it is often elemental and not the sum of the elements.

Anytime I see John Salley talkin Basketball, I watch.

Ever notice Detroit Pistons players inevitably in the end go against Jordan.

The all are great. Love all their games. Respect all eras.

The system does not dictate the skill set. Mike did everything without a system except win.

The Warriors, Bulls and Lakers were a solid system because of the chemistry they had with players that played together for a long period of time along with great coaching.

Crazy how the Jordan’s and Kobe’s praise Bron but the lesser talented players hate on him

Before Jordan had the triangle system, he was scoring 37 ppg, averaged close to a triple double when he played PG. Once he went into the triangle system, he had the ball less and stats suffered. The system got more championships but less stats, with role players. LeBron’s championships needed multiple All-NBA players playing alongside LeBron during their primes. Not only that, but most of LeBron’s competition also didn’t have systems. The teams that had systems gave LeBron problems, like the Spurs, Warriors, and Nuggets.

He had a system pat system in Miami.

The thing is, it seems like they're using two different styles of arguments to defend lebron, and dont do the same for the other two. They're giving the " but you have to add context" argument for the areas where lebron falls short, and the switching to the absolute, raw numbers argument when it benefits lebron. Like you cant say "his 4 rings must be looked at in the context of his teammates and lack of system" and then just say "well he has the most points so end of discussion". Do the same for the other two then. You could easily say "kobe or jordan dont have the most points but context" and then add "and they have more rings, end of discussion". I think thats where Rashad and Gil missed each other. Gil jumps from saying "lebron should get extra points for these circumstances" to "lebron is numerically the best in this category, period"-you cant win a discussion when dude is just gonna change the metric/argument to favor who he has decided should win. If we're looking at it both of these ways, lets do it for all three and stack it up.

Gil been Lebrons #1 Superfan since he tapped his chest that game 😂😂😂

Also it’s the fact they take 3s when they losing in critical moments when they just need a quick 2. that kills me watching them.

The flopping is all i remember when hes gone 😂

My new favorite is Gil restates macants argument, and then Brandon realizes how right Gil is, then kinda gets all excited but it’s like a chill excited.

If LeBron played for Pop or in any elite system he would have 8 rings by now. I have said this for a decade.

In addition, Tim Cone, the winningest coach in the PBA uses the same system as well..

Rashad literally KILLS ME LIKE BRO!

Show me where this 6’9 269 pound kid had NO skill set was so gifted as a scorer, defender and not just a passer???? WTH is McCants talking about?

You can’t tell me none of these coaches wanted to implement some form of an offense that they can fall back on. It all changes when Bron comes to the team

It's funny how they never mention wade and bosh who were superstars on his teams

Just want to remind Gil that Phil become great when he worked along side MJ and Tex, It was never that he was already that brilliant coach as he is today when he coached the bulls. MJ is the greatest becausw he knows how to win even without the super team mates LJ had. MJ and Pippen compliment each other because MJ is a great leader and always have the will to win unlike lebron who always need superstars along side him to be abled to win. Lebron is great but NOT the greatest because Micheal Jeffrey Jordan is the GREATEST OF ALL TIME.

Although I agree, you guys glossed over the fact of Lebron being in the eastern conference for most of his career. Put Kobe In the east during his prime with Kyrie/Love or D Wade/Bosh and he would've made just as many final appearances. He had much tougher comp in the west. This isn't a fair hypothetical for Lebron MJ, or Kobe. Let all 3 of them just be great

Dude said 88 mike and 2023 lebron. Compared a 25 year old to a 38 year old. You know u lost the debate. 😂

It’s astronomical how people still compare a Bron, who left teams, won on multiple teams to Kobe, Mike, Steph Duncan all one team. Period, no more debate. Don’t know how many rings Kobe would have had he left and joined with 2 more superstars. People are delusional

Its too early in the morning to be listening to Rashad McCants

Salley dismissing Olajuwon's championship takes away his credibility. Also, no mention of Kareem in a GOAT discussion, further undercuts the discussion.

So we gonna forget about Lebron being with Pat Riley / Spoelstra

I dont even really like basketball, but im a man, so i keep aware of it. This discussion was very well thought out & entertaining. Ive been a gil fan since he was on VLad

I don't understand the independent conversation about Lebron James. So in other words, Lebron James independently ran his own plays, coach the team while playing in the game and sub the players in and out the game? All professional basketball players play under a system that the HC implement to his players. The system might not as good as the triangle offense but all NBA players plays under a system.

Rashad tries to make points to discredit Bron, starts moving his hands and adding more points… eventually he just makes the case for the Bron being the GOAT. He should just start arguing that Bron is his GOAT… it’ll eventually lead to points strengthening Mike and Kobe’s cases.