Gil's Arena ERUPTS Debating The Laziness of NBA Defense 

About time lol

THANK YOU NICK.

What episode was that ? i gots to see that

@@tommyisdaboss the nick young episode it streamed a month ago

@@EliDSageHeading there after this. Lol

They also didnt let the offenses get away with travels, carries, and illegal screens 15-20 years ago.

@@joshuamccall8043yeah instead they had illegal defense rules which allowed u to have complete offensive liabiliteies on the floor and the offense still be able to function. in todays game u realistically dont function as an offense with more than one non shooter unless ur like the warriors

@@joshuamccall8043half the stuff ya call traveling is ya not k wing the game it’s way more advanced now

@@legorovers9838 illegal for today legal back in the day. They should go back to defense being able to stay in the paint.

@@kenyonmckee2268 ive been watching the game since the late 80's. The gather step with two additional steps would be called for traveling. The moving screen would be illegal All those hesi would be carries. Half the shit they do in the nba you cant do in college, hs, and middle school.

Warriors be having shooters on the court and I literally see teams live with a klay 3 over a Steph 3

@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 facts.. but the point is, just cause a guy doesn’t have a “name” doesn’t mean if you leave him open he’s not going to scorch you for 6 or 7 lol

@@5pazz I believe teams had that back in the day but it was considered Harlem globetrotterish to chuck a bunch of 3s up, They didn’t have as many as today but they had like 80% of the shooters, like Steve Kerr might only average 4 attempts when he played when today he would average 10, but teams absolutely will allow the 3rd or 4th option to beat them other than the 1st option

@@weinaracewarandslaverystar3408 there were GUYS sure, it was called being a “3 point specialist”. And you’re correct they didn’t let them let it fly, nevertheless that furthers my point because now EVERYONE can shoot.. the days of packing the paint and laying off waiting for drivers is over because you have to respect all 5 players most of the time.. that was never the case back then

And still lose

Bruh it’s crazy because they played at highest level sounding like this

​@@hurricane3789there is a reason Rashad was out of the league quickly. Lol

4-5 people willing to shoot * is different then 4-5 who CAN shoot. just because everyone is jacking 3s up don’t mean they are hitting them at a high clip

@@KAMEOALLAHIM true but it’s not like the ppl that are willing to shoot are terrible shooters

But I thought y'all told us that players today are stronger, faster and more athletic. So why can't they rotate that fast?

I agree, they should do a whiteboard segment and breakdown offensive and defensive would be awesome

That would only solidify how dumb McCants is about discussing basketball.

Haha to be fair, Rashad is entertaining even if he is wrong. They are in the business of entertainment, not education and most people don’t really care who is right. We just love to hear them argue 😂

San Antonio vs heat. Golden state vs cavs. The whole word saw Gil’s point being proved

They killing Gil with this take tho.....all defense is, is effort...and YOU DONT SEE THAT ANYMORE

No teams would still rather you shoot a jumper than a lay up so that part hasn't changed

If what ur saying is correct then they just haven't figured out how to defend then basically in this day ... cause it sure seems like most teams can't play defense not all but most

@@jaeslice1012 harder to play defense with the amount of shooting and spacing on the floor

Yeh I think this is the common misconception. NBA teams actually have figured out how to defend. Uncontested or corner threes are the most efficient shots on the court so defences are designed to limit these shots whereas from 1960-200 the most effective shot was the layup or show within 5 feet so defences were designed to limit those.

Nobody is posting up in this era so it’s not that much distant not many are kicking it out when they are going in for a Dunk.

So are they really that athletic then

@@jaeslice1012 Is who athletic? Do you even watch the game?

Most teams In the 80s and 90s had 2 shooter shooters on the entire team. And probably only relied on one because the other one was so bad at defense. To where today there aren't even that many 3 point specialists in the league. Most offenses have players that are versatile. So when a player does rotate from one side of the court to the other to stop a catch and shoot opportunity, the 3 point specialist of a decade ago wouldn't have been able to attack the close out. In today's game Most guards or wings can attack the close out. It's so much harder today on defense

them niggas still shoot trash so its stupid every playoffs these teams get abused cause of lack of shooting

The point that Sheryl and Rashad have been mine for years. Players don't want to do all the defense work because it's more difficult to play defense today. So the players just give up.

Or they can just hand check and go back to physical play they had teams with full shooters back then too but come playoffs it didn’t work

@@TA-ht4jonot true. It’s just really difficult to play 80s and 90s defense today. For example you have the Thunder when Cason Wallace or Isiah Joe is on the floor with the starters, you have 5 people in the game who shoot 38% from 3 or better. You pre-rotate to stop the roll or you drop to cut off the midrange for shai and there is a plethora of threes and drives available. Shai throws it to Chet on the wing, your team rotates. Chet can beat the rotation of the dribble, now you’re in scramble mode. Chet from here can pull up a middy, post up, or dish to opposite corner. Point is when everyone can shoot, pass, and dribble, you cannot stay true to old principles because offense gets too easy

Old heads know defense.. you young heads have never heard of it lol

@@chrisrunyon2372 old heads didn’t have to guard witch craft, defense is overrated with soft foul calls. Also there was the defensive violation to either double or stay man to man, no in between

@@akisuzuki it's not witch craft.. its called traveling, carrying, and not being guarded

@@chrisrunyon2372 you think Bob Cousy is good? It gives perspective on how much better players get overtime. You probably just can’t tell after a few decades, so that why I brought up Bob Cousy. Also the three point line was shorter for good reasons

@@akisuzuki See right there shows you have no idea about Basketball. You can't Compare eras because the rules and games are different. You see players back then and judge by how the dribble thinking that's their skill level lol.. that was how they had to dribble per the rule book. No 3 pointer, 2 hand checking, ect. Today's game there is traveling, palming, space, and damn near no defense.. that doesn't make the players today more skilled, they look that way because they are allowed to do things no other era was allowed to do. You really need to go do real research on the way the game was played in all eras. there is no way you can Compare Players from different Eras and judge them against each other. It's impossible

Maybe he has a deal with Jordan since he played at UNC cus damn lol.

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Yooo lmao, I would’ve missed it if I ain’t come to the comments. 😂😭

I just noticed that

This is the comment I was looking for😂😂😂.

All these threes knocking them down

Fr, the floor is so wide open due to just about everyone being able to shoot

This is NOT one of them times dudes are Not trying to play defense

😅😅😅😅 Gil dumb as hell

​@@nahrihickman1662But everybody can't shoot

But one out of 50 isn’t a good % 😂

I swear I was confused on why they were disagreeing with him

I think it was because they were so sold on their point that they couldn't agree because they went too hard

He was talking ❗️❗️❗️

they were saying if you WATCH the games today, it is obvious only minor effort is being made - so to point to all the reasons Gil was going on about (valid as they may be); it's misleading to point to those reasons as the SOLE reason given the obvious lack of effort.

@@pookiepats eh , no 🤣

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accidental basketball, like Kobe said years ago. they don’t run fundamental plays anymore just pick and rolls and kick it to the corner

@@jalilcook5113Kobe's era was literally the trash era of offense

​@@Valorant_Dem0n97more like the last era that allowed teams to play defense.

@@Valorant_Dem0n97 That was also Gil's era.

@@Valorant_Dem0n97 nah, the offense wasn't trash back, the game was more balanced. Players had specific roles instead of being expected to be everything all at once.

Doesn't seem like you can give any effort on defense at all.

Agreed, I feel like defense is effort AND athletic ability. Can’t think of elite defenders that lacked strength and/or speed/quickness, along with good instincts

@@deajaidawkins6106 true but you have to know how to defend. cutting off angles, where your help is, how to send ppl to the baseline, etc

@@wolvesliveforever6793 And Sheryl's point was that players today don't want to put in all that work on defense.

@@TA-ht4jo yeah that was her point, but players are way more crafty and there’s more space on the floor. that’s why the best defensive teams now usually have height and length

Oakley could shoot. Deadly from 18 ft. And he really wasn't a good defender. He was more of an enforcer (help defender) Your point would make more sense if you said Rodman.

Players really just lazy, because if you play actual defense its a foul.

Those dudes could score.They sacrificed for the good of the team.

No Charles Oakley anymore? Oakley can score during his early day. If we're talking now, players who defend but not score, what do you call the Morris brothers, PJ Tucker, Patrick Beverley, Draymond ain't been scoring in years now.

FYI it's a statistical fact that today's players are not better shooters with the exception of a few players than that of the players before them. They shoot the 3 more thanks to guys who says shooting 3s are better than long 2s. Also based on what I just stated can we please get rid of the notion that high volume shooters are not in the game today?

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Yeah he cooked him with that

Destroyed him mccants need a bathroom break 😂😂😂

Nah. It’s a bad take by Gil. McCants is making that face because he just stated that Gil keeps moving the goalposts.

@@GmkSuperstarsit was an irrelevant take. What does a team 20 years ago have to do with now? People glaze Gil for no reason. The loudest person in the room is usually the weakest or has the weakest argument.

Murray is a good defender kcp is a great defender gordon is a great defender mpj is 6'10 and a good shot blocker and jokic takes up Hella space

"Shootin.... XBox.... CAARDS!!!" 😆🤣🤣🪦👻

McCants is legendary

hahahah Gils face though when mccants was going in lol

Because of the soft rule. No hand checking

@@5starathlete804they still hand check and make contact with the ball handler every possession and yet less fouls called per game than ever before. Go look at what Luka siad to JJ about hand checking.! The guy who haters used as their poster child since he said it was easier to score in some ways, he himslef siad “what do you mean if they brought hand checking back? Guys do that right now. I get hand checked every game”. Seriously go watch any game right now from last night. Tell me that you don’t see guys making contact with the body on drives that isn’t called almosf every possession

@@5starathlete804 that truly has nothing to do with spacing

@@argosbrave6415 but that helps the defender tremendously.

@@5starathlete804how is that gonna stop Jokic?

rashad da best one dawg

Sheryl’s swoopes my guy is the best defender ever in the WNBA check her stats

@@keenanharris5248 that doesn’t change their delusional think of the modern nba

@@keenanharris5248Swoops played on a stacked team when the WNBA wasn’t that good

​@@keenanharris5248she never played in the NBA and from the sounds of it don't even watch it lol. Thinking she has the answers to song the different nuggets offense from the couch is wild

i dont get why so many people cant get it, the skill in ball handling and 3 point shootin have increase A LOT, every one admit that but wont admit its harder to defend? its just about effort and mindset? lol

Anybody can bring the ball up the court today, there’s no full court press

Facts 💯

​@@carlosmitts654dude you cant touch these dudes while dribbling, the rules help these guys tremendously thats why it looks "better". Tim Duncan could bring the ball up in this era. Guys who shouldnt be taking 3s and bringing the ball up is why the game looks so fluky

They could d o that back in the days to they just didn’t need to

Shoot for 48 minutes with 60% intensity games. Watch em crumble in the playoffs

Yet watch in the playoffs they manage to get locked up by Miami or Memphis 😭😭 There is no reason Giannis can’t be a great defender besides effort

@@bahj3758I don’t understand. Are u saying giannis isn’t a great defender?

@@YangoBord He’s not. He is a corner piece for a good defense but he himself doesn’t shut his match up down. Then if every team is shooting 3s all game how are you a great defender for protecting the rim? 😭

this is a fact, two clips side by side showing differences in intensity in the game. Old school defenders wouldn't last in the new NBA

u cant see any defense on that tape too

yeah that’s literally what they don’t wanna say tho

I completely disagree lol, this entire season I've seen beautiful basketball

nah man what Gil described is the Houston Rockets with James Harden and CP3 the year they almost beat the Warriors it was that exact same type of setup 4 shooters 1 person can do everything but great at 1v1 they almost won the nba finals if they didnt miss all those 3s they win the series Harden avg 38PPG if its jordan or kobe they will avg 49ppg possibly 58ppg

love kobe but nobody in his era could shoot and i laughed out loud at set plays. players can score better now because they can shoot better now which opens the whole court. lakers offense was stagnant and slow and with two gods like shaq and kobe barely scratched 105

​@@mysteryfollowedbylogicyea you drunk.

you know he just does that to gain subscribers right? gil be on his bullshit a lot

@@el84oro No it's true. He was averaging damn near 30 in an era with WAY worse spacing. He'd be a monster in the current era. He was a monster _then!_ The only reason he's not in the Hall is because injuries cut his career short, on some Grant Hill shit. He was DOMINANT

@@el84orou would have a point if he didn’t have valid logic. This is a different league

​@MICjordanTPR why disrespect a generational talent like Grant Hill with mr only 3 good yrs😂😂😂

@@baller0724 Fair enough, Grant Hill's injuries robbed us of a far greater player overall -- he was basically LeBron 0.7 -- but my point still stands. BOTH would have made the Hall if not for injuries.

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McCants and Swoops idea is to make him work full court instead of just letting him dribble freely which I agree with. Also with pick and rolls, guys don’t fight through them anymore. They automatically switch everything even when a real pick hasn’t been set which is crazy. Gil is right about today’s players being more skilled and it being hard to guard but it is a lot of lazy defense too.

@@Gi-or8bkTatum, Brown, Dame, Giannis, Embiid, KD, Curry, SGA, Kwai, Paul George, Bron, AD, Kyrie, Luka, D. Fox, T. Haliburton, Jimmy Buckets, D. Mitchell, Ant Man, Kat, an Ja Morant. Plenty of guys that can’t be guarded all elite offensively.

@@sjwilliams5883 yet all of them have been locked up before and none of them try to lock anyone up besides 3-4

Too add on to your point,Jokic is way faster and mobile then what he looks as well

Gil is wrong. He usually is and avoids their points. Defense is lazy. Ask KD when he plays Celtics when allowed to be D up.

@@user-qs2ll1em7eonly reason defense was tough in that series coz kd didn’t have offensive weapons outside of Kyrie

NBA modern day shooting is really no different from 60 years ago they just shoot it more they still be efficient asf unless you’re a specialist MJ would look good today if was allowed to take 15 threes a game and make 3 of them

@@user-qs2ll1em7e If no defense is being played, what is the other team doing when the other team is on offense? Why are screens set if no defense is being played? Why are step back shots necessary when if defense is being played. Offensive moves and rapid ball movement is at an all time high so defense appears to be worse. John Stockton and Karl Malone did a basic pick and roll that was indefensible…but yet the 90s was the best era in defense. Stop it.

Exactly. People forget Giannis struggled vs the Raps in 19 playing box and 1. The following years other teams tried it and him and the bucks figured it out. Offense is just so advanced now.

Record breaking 3 points made 😂😂😂

Facts 😤😤

He’s talking about effort. Even Kenyon who was an elite defensive PF said he watches games and sees a lack of effort or little things not being done to ruffle the offensive player. But because Rashad and Sheryl are saying it, well he was average player with a short career and she starred in the WNBA, so their opinions are irrelevant. Most of the best ex-player coaches weren’t stars. Kerr, Udoka and Lue never averaged more than 15 in a season either. So trying to ascribe basketball knowledge to Rashad’s NBA success as a player, is misguided logic. You have high IQ stars, but some aren’t. I don’t consider Ja Morant or Jayson Tatum high IQ hoopers. Not all these dudes are Kobe, MJ, Magic, Bird, Jokic, Lebron, Stockton, Duncan, CP3 etc. Many of these new players are coming into the NBA after 1 year of college, so they’re grasp of the game isn’t level with their skill and talent.

@@ninocrown3247 i agree with the sentiment of effort on the defensive end not being as prominent but i think what ppl are failing to see is how optimized the game has become and the reasons behind that. It’s not because people don’t want to play defense it’s because that type of defense doesn’t work in the same way on a night to night basis, it’s not sustainable. You can put in the extra effort on defense but 9/10 times when you are up against offenses that are just factually statistically better at every level of scoring on the floor, you are going to get torched reverting to the style of defense they are talking about. it’s not just about the star player anymore

@@ninocrown3247 basically what you said in short is: the game is different than it was. i disagree that their opinions are irrelevant also but the problem is the best ex players did not play in this era, they played in stagnant offenses because people were less skilled than they are now because they adopted a proven style of play that worked for them back then. its just the evolution of the game. i think that there’s a way to apply more effort on defense in a more modernized set style and i believe we see that in the playoffs defensive schemes. but what rashad and sheryl were saying basically just amounts to “dudes are lazy and don’t play defense if they played the way we did things would be different” they right teams wld be getting absolutely torched 😭

I hate when Gil say anything to be right.He keep naming Elite players for his examples like everybody is elite.Stop it 5

No y’all are fin idiots - this generation literally has the greatest shooter ever- there are no fucking weak non shooting guys on the court

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I concur hence why the game is faster....@@user-gr2gf8eu5k

​@@Tobias_Edithgamble gamble, money is a devil.

Not everyone is a shooter on the floor and sometimes you have to force another player (4 and 5 options) to beat you.

Most nba teams don’t move the ball like that. It’s just dribble drive and kick out This is bc of defensive 3 seconds allowing the paint to be wide open Couple that with all the illegal screens, travels, carrying and touch fouls and you have the modern nba game

@@washingtonrl4 and 5 options can beat you now. Clippers and warriors just played like 2 weeks ago. Norman Powell won the clippers that game. A dude off the bench that can create his own shot, dribble, a shoot open js. No other era has had that. Celtics 5th option is Jrue Holiday. Miami 6th option is terry Rozier, 76ers 4th option is oubre. All these dudes can really get buckets. Create their own shots. No other era has had that.

Even worse is that it eventually creates mismatches. which means eventually a big is over the freethrow line spotting a guard and a guard is being trucked on by a big going to the lane/calling out loud for the ball. Until the playoffs, the best defense is to try hard enough to give the worst shooter the ball and force them to kill 10 sec of the clock trying to shoot or give a grenade to the shooter.

@@2nifty201thank you brother it’s not the old days anymore every team has atleast 2 Lou Williams an Jamal Crawford shot making ability coming off the bench for there teams

They are right. Higher pace and less defense = more possessions/ more stats. Wilt era and Magic era never stopped running look at the numbers compared to 90s & 2000s

That sounds like the NBA promoting its product. Players have evolved so much😂. Nah defense just aint apart of what appeals to todays fans. At an elite level you force the offense in to taking the lower percentage shots (whatever is apart of your game plan). We are watching an era where the best defense you’ll see is teams willingly trading buckets😂

and WAAAY more soft and stupid

Sounds like a bunch of excuses. So I guess the players should just give up on defense, huh?

Who said give up? I’m speaking about what your body is able to handle. Playing defense takes much more energy than playing offense. If the ball is moving more than ever and offense are covering much more ground than ever, how will a team be able to do that at 100% energy 48 minutes 82 games? Go back and watch games in the 90s they’re practically walking around on defense because there was less shots, less ball moving and less spacing. Youre not respecting the level of difficulty it is to play elite defense

@@Flagrant32yet KD has issues playing Celtics when allowed to have to defend physical defense. Defense also wears down that offensive man. Gil gives excuses for players being lazy.

@@user-qs2ll1em7e I have some homework for you. Go look at the spacing and ball movement in the 90s compared to now and also notice how less of a threat there was for teams tk actually shoot the 3. You had to cover a lot less of the floor then.

@@TA-ht4johow do you hear excuses out of cold facts??? If you’ve ever watched a full 90s basketball game, you’d INSTANTLY see and understand it was easier to play defense and crowd the paint back then

Gil acts like he was a 10 All-star HoF player. He's not even a top 75 player. Gil does a little too much sometimes.

@@TA-ht4jowhat was you ?

@@TA-ht4jo wasnt for that knee injury he would been.. know basketball with context before you say that

There is effort on defense. The game has evolved offense is far ahead of defense.

in this soft recreational wnba league i'm pretty sure he actually would average 30

The issue is you have to take away something. You can give up 35 and 15 assists. Give up the 35pts or 15 assists but not both because obviously staying on isn’t working