The worst part of this series is the "love triangle" that drags on forever but in the end, apparently Maya was really just adopting Riley's personality to see if Lucas was good enough for her like.... what
I totally agree. I remember skipping episodes such as Girl Meets Ski Lodge and Girl Meet Texas as a kid because I felt like they where so boring. Also watching this 7+ years later, I have to admit the show is very cringy but it will be forever in my heart as my favorite show as a kid.
Yeah... that was very dumb. And in earlier episodes before that crap started, it gave hints of Maya carring for him and Lucas carring for her. The evolution of their relationship was more natura than Riley meeting Lucas in teh subway and suddenly "we like each other and we should be together".
That part of the show, among other things, is the very thing that keeps me from rewatching it. I hated going through that ordeal when first watching the show
I was disappointed by the episode where Farkle gets tested for Autism, and everyone acts as if it's some awful disease, when he was acting fine with the possible diagnosis. At least they had a realistic portrayal with Smackle.
I've been waiting for someone to bring this up. I honestly choose to pretend the ending of the Girl Meets I Am Farkle episode didn't happen. In my head, Farkle is autistic, and it was cowardly of them to not let him be. I also didn't like how they continued to use Smackle as a punchline for most of her scenes, especially considering there isn't a lot of autism representation in the media for girls as is. It felt very odd.
IF this show continued, I think the writers would have written smackle's actor (who I believe is trans now) would have a plot on transgender teens. If this happened, pretty sure farkle would have loved him/them (I forget the pronouns for the actor).
The one thing I couldn't stand about this show was how naive they wrote Riley. It drove me insane. And then her incessant need for Lucas to change. I loved Farkle though.
@@thelovelyone2828 ikr she acted like a child but maya character was way more deep than Riley’s if they had focused on maya and not on a stupid love triangle and Riley not being naive and clueless it would have been better
Well to be honest I really don’t think her naivety was the problem. Even Corey to some extent came of as innocent in the first few seasons because that’s what he was - innocent, a child. What worked so well for BMW is that he was actually shown the cruelty and suffering and injustice of the world as he grows up like many children do. And his character still came of as immature and young sometimes EVEN when he was married. They never rlly did that with Riley... which seems strange since the whole point of the show was that she “meets the world”.
The main problem with this show was it being on Disney , so there couldn't be any *REAL* conflict or challenging situations. Boy meets world dealt with puberty, hormones, sexual attraction, bullying, alcohol abuse, abusive parents, broken homes, parents being laid off, challenges of school , failing in life, feeling lost in the world... one of the best seasons wasnt even about Corey , it was Eric being lost in the world when he was done high school and didn't have good enough grades for College right away - Girl meets world had NONE of this. There was no challenge for these kids that wasn't summed up with ham-fisted lines and terrible dialogue. Though... Danielle Fishel is still looking absolutely amazing.
It might not have been the same challanges after now knowing about this, but having seen this show and went through with all its seriousness, I could say that there still were conflicts that can be tied to real life, or if not, just enjoy them there.
It’s not like Disney channel hasn’t gotten into serious conflicts or challenging situations before. Not on par with boy meets world but definitely better than this
For those who are wondering about the story, from the trailer I got that: Jodie is now popular for some reason. That mean girl who wanted the Swedish guy in the first movie is the only person in Jodie’s life that’s still teasing her. That Swedish guy is there and he wants Jodie back. Short milk crate man and Jodie are not together despite that kiss in the first movie. Short milk crate man has to *gasp* develop an actual identity outside of being obsessed with Jodie. Jodie is in a musical and meets yet another guy who wants her meaning she has 3 guys after her the whole movie. And there’s some message about how “the biggest monsters we face are the ones in our own head” or something. So yeah. Jodie is popular, she’s only got one mean person in her life, she’s apparently a talented actress, and she’s got 3 boyfriends. I have no idea what the conflict in this film is supposed to be.
They actually talked about poverty in one episode and it pointed out that Maya wasn't in poverty and was not as poor as she thought she was. Like Shawn's family lives in a trailer park and got food from the food bank(bmw episode turkey day) but Maya just lives in a leaky apartment, which sucks, but I like that they brought up the difference in what people believe is their situation and what actually is
Disney Channel has a plural amount of teen shows that are practically rip-offs of iCarly. I don’t think I’ll ever check out Bizaardvark for having Jake Paul in it, but Girl Meets World is another example of an iC wannabe because like any other Nickcom, it has fans who would justify or deny their flaws that make these overpraised shows problematic, is purposefully insensitive towards minorities (including broke and/or disabled people) and has characters that are both one-dimensional stereotypes of genders and teenagers (not to mention how much prettier they are in real life and in the shows where they look the same for obvious reasons)!
I love how Cory is supposed to be this history teacher whose classes just alternate between fortune-cookie life lessons,car-washing maths, and random history facts
In HS I had a teacher who was supposed to teach us about contracts in commerce... he did that, but he also developed our skills in maths, improved our general knowledge from day to day things to the most random stuff ever ( like who's the guy on this particular banknote, who was he and why was he so important that they out him on money?). No, I'm not from the US, so it wasn't dollars, but we did briefly touch the same subject on foreign currency. So, yeah, it can be possible for a teacher to go the extra mile and color outside the lines, every now and again.
Imagine if he really was a history teacher though and it all starts with him learning his daughter has an issue and than incorporating it into a lesson that gets interrupted or something hijinxing into the episode where she has to learn the lesson the hard way.
Irrelevant but in my country its actually illegal to be assigned to the class of a close relative as a teacher to avoid favoritism. Isn't it the same in America? Because Corey really does show favoritism towards his daughter and her friends during the show.
You know between Maya treating Farkle’s possible autism like it would be such a huge issue FOR HER Or Riley throwing a temper tantrum that Lucas and her dad didn’t tell her Lucas got into a fight at his old school when Lucas was under no obligation to tell her and it wasn’t any of her business at all Or both of them standing up at someone’s GOD FORSAKEN FUNERAL and delivered a speech about how today they learned that the world doesn’t revolve around them at the age of like 13 I genuinely don’t know which of these characters we’re supposed to like is worse. Their sense of entitlement knows no bounds and everyone else encouraging it is terrible.
I mean, as a 12 yo girl, being told one of your best friends might have a diagnosis, that you 1: know nothing about (because, how would you), 2: don't know if it's good, but diagnosis' usually aren't so you assume the worst, and 3. dont know what consequences that follows, probably isn't all too nice to hear. I don't wanna defend the way the episode presented the subject of autism, but I can't see how it's a flaw of the character that she don't want something to drastically change her world, or even that this might just be how this kid copes with stuff like this. The writers did a poor job of handling the subject for sure, they could have clarified it in the end that Autism isn't a bad thing, just that people are different, or even embracing Farkle having autism, instead of what they did. But for gods sake, they aree 12-13 yo teenagers, not grown adults.
@@nicki6355 But the WRITERS were grown adults not '12-13 year old teenagers who could/should have used the show to clarify that 'Autism isn't a bad thing, just that people are different, or even embracing Farkle having autism, ' instead of what they had the characters do. So I blame THEM for not having the show's other tween/teen characters grow, become educated and ultimately show support for Farkle regardless of whatever the experts chose to diagnose him instead of having them (and Cory+Topanga as well as Farkle's own parents) treat the possible autism diagnosis as though it was a terminal condition that would have doomed him to have a sad fate!
@@nicki6355 I completely agree! It's obviously not a great reaction, and I can tell the episode wasn't handled very well, but Maya's reaction seems realistic enough for her age and I think it's fine as a line in the episode. Writers definitely should've handled everything else around it a lot better though
Am I the only one annoyed by Riley’s “bad girl” phase. She was literally like “OMG, bad things happen in the world so that means I must be ‘evil Riley’ from now on!!” 🙄
It wasn't just a 'bad girl' phase, it was a 'life is futile to live since we're all gonna DIE' phase- and what's worse is that she tried to compel everyone else in her class and clique to join her doomsday cult rather than just let them decide for themselves whether or not to be happy or whatever. Seriously, Cory+ Topanga should have gotten her on Suicide Watch AND should have called her out for discouraging others to want to LIVE! And it was ALL because the stupid yearbook said that Lucas+Maya made a cute couple.
The thing is that this show always tiptoed around issues but never actually showed them. Take Maya for instance. She's supposed to be raised by a single mom who is a waitress or something, but she has super expensive clothes and is always free to hang out. She was always talking about how her life is hard, but never really showed it being so hard (Cuz you know... Disney). As opposed to Shawn who they showed all the way. And Riley omfg, that girl was so freaking annoying, no 12 year old girl is that naive.
To be fair about Maya, Cory and Topanga went out of their way to support her to a far greater degree than Alan and Amy did for Shawn. While that makes Cory and Topanga wonderful, it doesn't make Maya nearly as engaging as Shawn.
Girl Meets World was the most unhinged show I’ve ever seen. Riley got upset over Pluto not being a planet anymore AND THEY MADE THAT AN ENTIRE EPISODE.
And what's worse was that her peers claimed she had to kept an in ignorant bubble about Pluto's status change due to Riley allegedly being so sweet and innocent- yet by the end of the episode she wound up having eagerly vandalized Mr. Feeny's garden AND bullied him via her lame, taunting Feeny Call! IOW, they wound up being enablers for a vandalizing and bullying bubblehead! Great going, show!
The one thing I dislikrd about this show was that in Boy Meets World, the teacher did teach life lessons but he also actually taught school 😭 like his sole purpose wasn't just 4 students. But Corey for some reason like...just doesn't teach anything but fortune cookies 😭 and instead of the students resolving their issues outside of the classroom, they literally do it in the middle of class!
Exactly, a lot of the lesson application in boy meets world was at home or at Chubby’s and the other thing was that the lessons here was applied to the same 4 people, at least we saw Jack and Rachel get the same lessons, we saw Eric learning as well and Eric was 3 years ahead of Cory. There was moments we even saw Alan and his wife learning from Feeny.
Dude the world just feels like everyone's flying up in the clouds or something. There's very little grounded stuff anymore. It's so bizarre, maybe this is what getting old feels like. That would have been a much better premise, Corey like the rest of us coming to terms with getting old. With culture leaving him behind, and just shit being generally weird.
That and the show is never really about Riley making mistakes and learning about the world there’s always somebody there to tell her what’s right which makes for a far less interesting show
I never thought GMW would be one of those shows that don't age well. I used to eat this shit up back in middle school. Now i'm in my early twenties and decided to rewatch this show... Damn this show is CORNY AS FUCK. This show tried to make its lessons seem deeper than it actually is. BMW works well because while the plotlines can be outlandish, there's still a reasonable amount of realism that make us viewers relate to the characters and have a good laugh. GMW on the other hand... The plotline is basically riley and her friends learning and RE-learning that the world doesn't revolve around them...
Yeah. All the other kids could do nothing but sit back and watch Riley, Maya, Farkle and Lucas do whatever they want and turn class into their own therapy session
the autism storyline was absolutely infuriating, they treated autism like a disease! and farkle's not gonna be different once he's diagnosed, it's not like he just ~contracted~ it or something hey everyone, i feel like i should clear this up. it's important to recognize the damage caused by incorrect representation and all the people who have been insulted and hurt by this episode, but if you feel represented or choose to focus on things that were done well, good on you! while i wholeheartedly believe this episode needs to be called out for its flaws, that doesn't by any means mean you can't enjoy it or disagree, and i hope this comment section reflects that.
Yeah and if they had him actually be Autistic and his friends learn they were being assholes to him then the storyline would be redeemed You can’t be claim to have a positive message on Autism but to scared for a character to actually be Autistic
I absolutely agree, I kinda feel like they could’ve redeemed it if he actually ended up being diagnosed as autistic, because I’ve definitely had some reactions akin to the show. But then *they didn’t* and it just kinda lost any point it could’ve had.
I'm glad someone pointed out how cringe the autism storyline was. But I wish you'd talked about how extra awkward it was with Smackle. Like they really beat a dead horse and missed the entire point at the same time.
@@Meg_intheclouds Looks like it was suppose to be a major plot point, but the writers had to quickly 'pivoted it away' from the main cast due some higher up decision by the studio. This always seems to happen when a producer doesn't like a certain theme of a story and need to sanitize the message to be more palpable to the receiving audience. Course nothing about this show comes close to palpable to begin with, so the ironic of this situation isn't exactly lost on me.
@@Meg_intheclouds Smackle was an explicitly autistic character, and the writers tried to have Farkle be explicitly autistic as well, but backed out and the entire episode surrounding this plot point was ableist.
@@afriasia_adonia Ah but the irony is that Smackle was FAR more of a likable and interesting person than Riley was- and, even with their bad habits factored in, Farkle and Smacle's relationship was FAR healthier and more pleasant to see depicted than Riley's deal with dishwater dull Lucas!
This show was literally a fever dream compared to actual reality. Like no school in the entire world would revolve around a group of friends and allow them to get away with what they did in this show. I remember one day Riley got bullied and the entire school stayed to watch her confront the bully in support of her. Then the bully ran away in shame, lol.
I agree! What happened was that Maya was changing for the better and growing- NOT becoming Riley or copying Riley. Well, Riley couldn't stand the thought of Maya actually improving with the possibility that Maya might have eventually concluded that Riley wasn't 'all that' and possibly consider that she'd do better ON HER OWN than sticking with Riley. Note that when Maya got a better grade, it was because she had applied herself instead of letting Riley do her homework! Instead of drinking the Riley Kool-Aid, how I wish Shawn, Cory, Katy, Topanga, Lucas, Farkle. .. ANYONE had called Riley out on how she'd attempted to sabotage Maya's own progress via accusing her of 'becoming[Riley]'!
Exactly like even in BMW when we see Shawn hurting because of the things he has versus the things Cory has, we saw mutual development and jealousy from both sides. Shawn even tried to be Cory before realizing that’s not what he wants to be and even in the high school arc Cory tried to be Shawn and even Topanga had to reassure him about his “coolness.”
Maya just hit PUBERTY and it had hit hard and Riley hated it that her friend was more ‘matured’ than she was, the time when maya got ONE DAMN grade higher than Riley, Riley made up a stupid excuse. And don’t get me started on ‘YOU ARE WEARING THE EXACT SAME CLOTHES’ this was just stupid
@@ayeshaarsalan4231 Yeah instead of telling Riley she was flattering herself, Maya just caved in and regressed at Riley's command because Riley had made it clear that their allegedly perfect and indestructable bond wouldn't have survived if Maya did NOT regress. Yes, Maya had her faults but, as the show progressed it seemed the WORST one was being willing to sabotage herself and trash her own growth JUST to keep Riley's alleged friendship! And, what's worse is that Cory, Shawn and even Katy all knew this but did nothing to defend Maya's progress or encourage Maya not to let anyone (including if not especially Riley) kill her own dreams BOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now that i’m rewatching girl meets world when i’m older i find it hilarious how in the beginning of the show Maya talks about her mom like she’s neglectful and she’s never really there for maya when in reality she just has a job
Exactly she was working two jobs or a night job if I’m correct? Shawn’s mother COMPLETELY disappeared and Chet was not there at all. Like this wasn’t even comparable at all plus Shawn learning his mother wasn’t his mother and even his support system was shaky here and there (hence the Cult episode) like they wanted to throw these characters into little boxes Maya - Shawn, Riley - Cory, Lucas - Topanga when it’s not even comparable
@@queensrerenladyiridescent7047 The show would’ve been better if they made the characters there own characters instead of trying to do a gender bent boy meets world
She does, and she's a good mother, but isn't that a common stereotype where a parent works hard to provide for their family and the kid doesn't get it and would rather they be there instead?
I do kinda think that the writers wanted to go the neglect route, but that was too deep for Disney, so they went the “single mom works two jobs to provide and the kid doesn’t understand why mom isn’t around all the time.” Unfortunate decision
"I might have a type of autism called asperger's syndrome." "You don't!" Why are they acting like that's a bad thing? Nothing would change, he's the same guy.
Because they don't know what it was...for all they knew they were being told their friend has some dangerous disease. That's part of the story, how misunderstood autism is.
@@venaev And yet Farkle testing negative for autism is treated as a "happy ending" and his friends all rejoice. That's how the episode ends. His friends are never held accountable for their behavior, so the audience walks away thinking that how they behaved was justified.
@@venaev I'd say most average people don't know a whole lot about Autism, unless someone close to them happens to have it. It's hard to educate most people about it because it often manifests differently in people. I'd put money on it that the writers of this episode knew that, especially considering that the audience for this show is young. They knew they would be introducing the concept to people. And as an introduction to what autism is, this was AWFUL. Like D.A.R.E teaching kids about drugs, levels of AWFUL. It fear mongers. It makes people who have autism out to be "THE OTHER". It spoke of horrible stereotypes about autistic people not being able to feel love or empathy like "normal" people. and at the end of the episode Autism is not treated like a thing to be normalized, it treats it as not having it as a bullet dodged.
There was always something about this show that rubbed me the wrong way, this writing is so overly dramatic and these characters are just so weird and I can’t seem to justify why people enjoyed it?
There are some really good moments in there, like Mayas writing assignment about learning to forgive herself. Disney, modern Disney wouldn’t let the show not be weird and too OTT. If it had been picked up by a different network the writing way the comedy was put in would’ve been a much closer representation of BMW. It feels like the core of something good that never got to blossom correctly, IMO
@@uoflfan01 Exactly. The fact that this show was picked up by Disney doomed it to have an over the top campy nature, like all the other shows on this channel. Had it gone on ABC(like it's predecessor) it's writing would've been taken a little bit more seriously.
I gotta confess I skipped most of it. I mostly watched the ones where Shawn guest stared and a couple others. It was nice to see Shawn get his happen ending even if most of the show around that was meh.
As someone who has a brother with Asperger's, the plot about Farkle potentially having Asperger's kind of hurt my heart. I wish there was better representation for kids with Autism. But taking the weird trope character and basically being like "Nope. No Autism, just a weirdo" just kind of felt like a slap in the face. But I haven't seen the show, so maybe I'm missing some context.
Honestly it would be nice to see some actual accurate representation, if only to teach people what it's like and squash some negative stereotypes. Haven't seen the show icecream hero mentioned though.
That plot point was stupid, but they introduced another autistic character called Smackle (who goes on to date Farkle in the future) and she was done pretty well.
I mean, some context that he showed a little of in that scene was that the 2 girls are hurt, like almost offended that he might be autistic. It's a really really disgusting scene. And to my knowledge (I might be wrong) they aren't shown or taught that they treated that act horribly, the act being him trusting them enough to tell them he might be autistic
They were scared of approaching "real" issues and not making it schmaltzy and sanitised. BMW was real, even lizzie mcguire was real in a way, but GMW was heavy on the child friendliness which was to it's detriment. The show also had a very fake look to it, like you knew you were watching something filmed on a soundstage 🧐🙈
Definitely. Twelve year olds constanly wearing heels to school and always having perfectly curled hair, even the supposedly rebelious and lazy Maya. Set design too. Not to mention the unrealistic dialogues 😄 Just fake all round.
Well the world in the show literally revolved around the few main characters, and not in the way it typically does, like there would be lessons in the classroom that literally revolved around the problems of the few main characters (at one point, it even became a plot point that the other students didn't matter) Like in real life, the other students probably hated the class because they never learned or did anything but sit and listen about the problems of the teachers daughter and her friends
I would agree that it 'feels' like what you said but the saddest (and most maddening) irony is that these were the SAME writers who wrote 'Boy Meets World'. How much Disney hampered them and how much they themselves contributed to the negatives of the show is a matter of debate but they kept overpraising the new characters (Riley in particular) and the show itself- as well as acting as though they had done the viewers a favor via writing this.
I would agree that it 'feels' like what you said but the saddest (and most maddening) irony is that these were the SAME writers who wrote 'Boy Meets World'. How much Disney hampered them and how much they themselves contributed to the negatives of the show is a matter of debate but they kept overpraising the new characters (Riley in particular) and the show itself- as well as acting as though they had done the viewers a favor via writing this.
That and Riley had every right to *not* have a mean girl as a love rival for ANOTHER ONE OF THESE TOXIC TEEN SITCOM BOYFRIENDS (Farkle Minkus) AND BE A TOXIC FEMINIST, YET SHE DID IT ANYWAY!!!!!!!! Now we strongly wish Auggie were an only child, because I’m sure that there’s a much better chance that HE might grow up to be a parent faster than his own (way) older sister because he’s actually the most mature Matthews!
Because while she may feel unsafe when a guy does something wrong to her, she thinks she can get away with doing the same thing, especially if it’s related to romance (except it’s more like list than anything) like stalking, cheating, forgetting dates and lying “I love you”.
Even Danielle Fishel(Topanga) said that the show was bad. She said that Disney put too many restrictions on the show and it couldn't be what it should have been.
I hate how toxic and trouble making maya was....I would force my kid to get a restraining order and get away from her....you can tell the show regretted making riley the flat lead cause all they could think about with her was a cliche not real love triangle and her bouncing off others issues not her own...that's so early 90's omg ...maya as the lead as flawed as she was developing would of at least been unique..maybe her and riley are rivals for an entire season maybe we don't see the mathews clan much over an entire other season cause maya leaves or isn't connected with them over that season arc....that sounds better right
Men don't know how to write little girls at all...they make them sound smarter than they would be at 16 let alone 12...or younger sometimes....especially pre internet omg
I have autism right and watching that episode with farkle’s possible diagnosis really annoyed me. Sitting there watching his friends get so flustered and deny the chances of it like it was something bad or to be afraid of made me so upset, especially that they portray farkle as “the weird kid” anyway, the whole thing just made me feel inferior
I have autism, and the autism storyline was beyond atrocious. I hope the idiots who pitched and approved that idea wound up having children/loved ones with autism, because I'd rather the guilt eat them alive for treating the condition as if it was a terrible disease.
I agree with your condemnation about the autism storyline and those who pitched and approved the idea but I seriously don't think any child would deserve to have to be raised by them- especially an autistic one. Children need parents who love them for who they ARE and encourage them to do the best they can- regardless of whatever challenge that may deal with. Maybe those who pitched and approved that storyline might conclude they were wrong on their own without having to involve any child or loved one.
Smackle saying she’s autistic at the end of the episode was a cheap way for the writers to get out of the massive ableist hole they dug themselves into and I don’t buy it. You’re telling me for an entire week that a teenaged autistic girl in the 2010s hears everyone around her say negative things about autism and the autistic community and saying extremely ableist comments such as implying those with autism can’t be “normal” and she says *nothing*? I don’t believe it. Even back when the episode aired, people were obsessed with being politically correct and got offended if you used the wrong pronouns on a person or said something homophobic especially if the comments were directed towards someone like them.
The biggest problem with this show is someone clearly recognized that you can't talk about the things they talk about on the original show like domestic abuse, alcoholism, etc., so they talk about more down to earth teen esc topics which WOULD be fine IF they didn't present it with the same amount of severity as the original show did. Seriously someone could step on Riley's toe and the whole episode would be her moaning about how the human race lacks empathy like girl grow up !
Precisely, BMW aired on ABC, where they were allowed to talk about heavy issues and topics. While it also aired on the Disney Channel, it handled these topics with the seriousness they deserved. Unfortunately, GMW tried to do the same thing, except with things like homework.
@@sirmel11 As a girl, I remember watching that episode when I was a child and thinking that all the girls were just being stupid. Like, yes Maya. Lucas did all the work on the project because he's sexist and not because you're lazy and undependable. I swear, that episode must have been written by an anti-feminist who was forced to write a feminist episode
it had potential but was ruined by being on Disney should've been on freeform or something then they could've done things more like boy meets world did 😔
I totally agree! GMW couldve discussed more mature topics and had less Disney Channel silliness. I think Andi Mack would’ve worked better on Freeform too!
That ending was awesome lol. Also I'm so surprised you don't like Farkle (personally I though he was a funny character) but haven't mentioned the most bland and boring character in the show which is Lucas.
I didn't like how they tried to make a character like Farkle cool. Lol you change your clothes and get new hair and now you're cool? Nah, he would have been in bully city as long as they were in school. lol
I adored Boy meets World, grew up with the cast. One of the most authentic & well written childrens turned young adult shows I’ve ever seen. (Of course it was cheesy and over the top sometimes lol but was still great) So I was incredibly disappointed with how cringe Girl meets World was. The writing was just awful
TOTALLY agree! With the original writers, they had the potential to have made it great and actually concocted an intelligent, likable and humorous protagonist and giving ALL the BMW characters (and performers) their proper due. . but instead they BLEW it- despite their own self-praises claiming how wonderful their own work was and how they'd done the viewers a favor- NOT! THAT is why I dislike this show & its characters and will continue to draw call it out!
As someone who originally has seen girl meets world without knowing it was a spin-off, like I am sure others also have, I can safely say that I see it in a different way without comparision, which then makes it to me like seeing like any other disney channel show I or anyone could go upon on. So it DID have some viewers a favor to see something new. New viewers by the looks of it unfortunatley. Personally all of the humor was likeable to me
Riley's dialogue made me want to muffle myself. And Maya had so much potential as a character they could've dug deep on her absent father and living in middle class with a mom who cant always pay attention to her cuz it's just her, but no, she thinks not doing homework is a personality trait
I hated how Cory tried to talk to maya about how she goes to far but she was just like “oh well my mom is neglectful because she works two jobs so obviously im exempt from consequences”
I remember watching an episode where Sabrina's character Maya was doing better in school wasn't getting detention all the time and by the end of the episode the "moral lesson" was that Maya was changing into Riley and they were MAD about it. Like shouldn't you have friends that inspire you to be better? Maya is Riley inspiration. Yet when Riley is being one for Maya it equates to an identity crisis? The only thing that good that came out of the show is Sabrina Carpenter getting her start in the industry. She's way to talented for Disney. The episode is called "Girl meets triangle"
@@arielsteinsaltz1956 Or possibly it was done because they realized that if Maya actually permanently grew and improved as a person, she might come to realize before too long that she needed Riley like a fish needs a bicycle!
"what's wrong with both of us liking a nice guy?" always breaks my heart. and then riley yells "la la la" until maya says that lucas is the one thing they have in common. riley, farkle and josh gaslighting maya into believing she doesn't know who she is or what she likes is so infuriating. lucas (and zay, to a lesser extent) seems to be the only one who thinks this is bs and he's painted as being wrong.
there's also the fact that maya only acted like riley for ONE episode because RILEY and farkle were the ones having an identity crisis. lucas and maya were never allowed an actual chance because riley and/or farkle were always hovering over them and the one time it seemed like they were about to take a step (new years), farkle ruined it. and then they tried to pretend that lucas and maya only liked each other because "maya was riley" (when lucas himself made it clear that he liked maya for her in the SAME episode) so that riley could "have" lucas, when it would have been a much better storyline for riley to let them be happy and accept that she wasn't chosen for once.
the aspergers episode is actually so infuriating though because the whole episode you watch everyone react so poorly to it and treat it like it’s some horrible disease that’s gonna change how they view farkle if he has it and like it’s the end of the world if he does which can be so so damaging for kids who are on the spectrum.
@The Name Thing Is Not Happening RU-vid for sure for sure and especially because he’s used as a joke character to laugh at and make fun of for how he acts for majority of the show so if they did make him autistic it would also just be really messed up looking back and seeing them making a joke out of an autistic kid
Let’s face it, nobody *wants* to be on the spectrum. It’s a medical condition that has baggage like anything else. I think it’s appropriate for people to hope that their friend doesn’t have a certain condition. It’s not really that different than hoping someone doesn’t have cancer. That doesn’t mean we treat people with medical conditions poorly, but it’s okay to hope your loved ones are healthy.
The show being this bad shows how Disney relied on the name and didn’t bother to hire a competent writing staff because they are capable of writing good sitcoms such as: good luck Charlie, lab rats, Hannah Montana, that’s so Raven, suite life of zack and Cody, wizards of waverly place, etc
@@arielsteinsaltz1956 Disney didn’t want to take risks and deal with heavy situations as the original show. Shit boy meets world had us worried a baby josh was gonna die, turner was presumed dead, the fights between Cory and Shawn or Eric. I love this show as well but it could’ve been done better.
Yes. That episode is actually hated in the Autism community and caused a lot of damage and upset to people because of how they all acted like it's the worst thing ever
@@RexCrashofCars That episode was promoting ableism which is a very real problem and something that should not be used in any type of media as it hurts anyone that has a disability. You don’t tell characters in wheelchairs that they aren’t “normal” for not being able to walk or tell a deaf character that they can’t give a valedictorian speech because they are deaf. That is insulting and just says that being able to walk and hear are the only way you will be considered “normal” and not some damaged person that require a lot of help and attention just to be accepted by society.
@@claireb9870 Compared to his constantly catered-to and pampered daughter, Cory had been a galley slave! The bulk of Riley's childish, entitled tude came from him,Topanga and her peers indulging almost all her whims. At least once Cory literally carried her into class because she had a laydown crying jag since her ego couldn't stand the thought of ONE person not liking or worshiping her! Alan, Amy and Mr. Feeny as well as Shawn+Topanga would NEVER have put up much less catered to Cory pulling that stunt.
@@wardarcade7452 riley might be more childish than Cory, but the both of them were entitled privileged white kids, growing up under as steady roof, with two parents, hot water, heaters, food on the table and friends Neither of them have had it "rough", maybe riley has it a little easier, but that doesn't make what cory has been through any difficult
@@claireb9870 Perhaps not . However, thanks to his folks, teachers and peers NOT indulging his whims, at worst he was a bit whiny whereas, thanks to her folks, teachers and peers indulging HER whims, Riley was a Veruca Salt for the New Millenium!
As someone who was 10 years old when watching this show, it really changed my perspective on a lot of things and I was so drawn to it bc it wasn't like other shows I was i to on Disney at the time. I have only great memories from this show and it taught me some pretty valuable lessons that shaped my personality in a way......it's also why I crush over Sabrina Carpenter
@@mollieburge4940 that’s how we feel about boy meets world and then girl meets world kind of ruined it. I would have rather they left the characters I grew up with alone and just made a new cheesy kid show
I just want to say that the whole "Farkle might be autistic oh wait not he's not" felt so forced. I wasn't ever into this show because is felt really weird with all it's contrived "dark and serious" moments, but dang. Talking as someone with diagnosed Asperger's, the only thing I remember about that episode is that they kept going "Oh no maybe he doesn't have it. He's ok but what if he's not." Like??? A diagnosis explains something about you, it's not a court sentencing that you'll never be "normal" after.
Definitely felt like one of those "Very Special Episode" episodes, where it talks about something like a death in the family or drugs or teenage pregnancy as a way to get the topic to kids, and then they just never show that issue again or include it in any more storylines. It reminds me of when they made Bella Thorne's character in Shake it Up have dyslexia in one episode, create a whole bunch of drama, then never mention it again in the show run. They treated her diagnosis like some huge secret/ scandal as well when it was eventually revealed.
R y'all seriously ignoring that the person who ended up having autism was actually Smackle? Or r y'all just being selective about how u think the entire episode was handled?
@@emmyjemmy4208 Not to mention all of the ableist comments throughout that episode. Seriously, why is considered to be in poor taste if you make such comments to a kid who is in a wheelchair or blind in a show and people get upset about it but saying those on the spectrum are weird annoying outcasts that no one wants to be around or that having the condition is a very bad thing to have considered to be okay? Ableism is extremely hurtful and causes harm no matter who the target is. If you substituted Farkle being afraid he’s on the spectrum with something like him being afraid of having diabetes and keep everyone saying that he’s “normal” and acting like having diabetes is the worst thing ever, you know people would have rioted immediately. I’m just sick of the double standard that being ableist is a bad thing to do unless it’s about autism.
@@musiclover_kb4913that doesn’t make this episode less awful, if Smackle was the one who was actually autistic she should have been the one who talked about it to their classmates, not Farkle, it’s again that situation of a neurotypical person explaining to other NTs how it’s like to live with autism, but they still talk about it as if it’s a bad thing as if it’s something to be ashamed of, as if she would be happier if she was more like them. Even the way they portray the diagnosis is awful, they talk as if having autism or not is something that you can tell by a physical exam or something and it isn’t, they say Farkle had all the signs of being autistic but then they say he isn’t, and it’s said that Smackle was diagnosed when she was 5 and Farkle was being tested by doctors and all during his teenage years and the thing is that’s the exact opposite, it’s usually easier for autistic boys to be diagnosed at an early age because the way it’s done is usually more adapted to the signs boys show but autistic girls tend to be diagnosed in their teenage years, this episode would have worked much better if Smackle was the one who was being tested for an autism diagnosis and Farkle told her he was diagnosed with autism at age 5 but he rather not tell his friends about it until then
And just in case you guys didn't get the message that Maya's supposed to be Shawn (after the creators bashed us over the head with it), Shawn comes to the show later, adopts Maya, and marries her mom🙂
Maya should’ve been his biological daughter with Angela, they had the chance of fixing their relationship by saying Shawn and Angela got back together soon after the end of BMW, got happily married and had biracial kids, after everything they went through they deserved that. But no the writers decided to retcon their relationship and why they broke up by vilifying Angela and saying she broke Shawn’s heart and never talked to him again when in BMW it was a mutual decision and they only did it because she was about to move away for a year or so, they did it to try and convince us she was bad for him because they intended to match-make Shawn with Maya’s mother Katie just because. I hated it!
Wait, but in the finale, they said they would wait for each other. This show basically destroyed that and also, I miss Rachel...@@lauracerqueiramachado8979
For me, something that always bothered me was how Farkle's parents constantly fighting(so much so that Jennifer was always throwing her wedding ring at Minkus) was made into a joke and never really taken seriously. Of course, Boy Meets World had jokes, but things were still taken seriously.
@@musiclover_kb4913 Honestly, it was mostly in the very first season. Sometimes jokes would be made then about how often his parents fought. They did seem to really care about him in the episodes we saw of them. I just don't think that they were good together.
@@heatherduke5410 I don't recall those jokes at all, but since u say those were in the 1st season and that's the season I remember the LEAST, I'll have to look back on it
@@heatherduke5410 I remember Farkle saying that at least in a convo with Riley and Maya, but I saw that as the writers playing more into Minkus' childhood crush on Topanga back in the Boy Meets World.
To say nothing of Mr. Feeny calling out any teacher like Cory who so blatantly played favorites and let said favorites run their class instead of running the class themselves!
I think this show was partly for adults, like "We want to see ourselves in this show, even though it's not meant for our generation", and then partly for the teens and tweens at the time, who don't understand subtlety. In a generation of "Literally, ...." they had to spell everything out (which explains the weird dialogue).
I thought it was 14 and 17? Because he was touring a college campus. 3 years is only a problem when someone is underage. But she does overcome her crush (bc that's what it is). And I hate that he's so aggravated about Farkle but never mentions that he dates Smackle and stops being cringey.
@@teganwoods4184 In my personal opinion, if he’s old enough to tour college campuses while she has just started her high school “career,” he’s probably a little old for her either way. I don’t know, why doesn’t he start thinking about college girls instead? I would assume most young young adults would want to experience relationships with someone around their age, not someone who just left middle school. But again, that’s my view on it.
Okay, I never watched the show but this thread got me curious. I searched it up, and the wikipedia says the main cast was a 12-year-old girl in middle school exploring her tween years. Ughh, I’m a little confused unless she ages throughout the show.
@@teganwoods4184 So apparently he’s actually 18, and he had just started his firts year of college while Riley was 14 and in her freshman year. The wiki describes their age gap as “almost three years” but doing the math, it’s like four years, no? They are literally 4 grades apart! How can he be a college freshman yet only be “almost three years” older than Riley who is supposed to be 14?
@@riddlesangerissues3127 actually, I thought he was touring colleges when Maya was in 7th grade (that’s the Christmas he called her gorgeous) then in season 2 ( Maya’s in 8th grade) when he was already enrolled in college that’s when the show started briefly taking them seriously 💀💀💀💀
The main issue I had with Girl Meets World, was that it definitely appeared that Disney had more influence into the show than the creators did. There were some episodes that you could just kind of feel the Disney Corporate influence. But there were some good episodes in GMW as well. Girl Meets Stem is probably the best episode that I can remember
Wow, gotta be honest man, I remembered Farkle being far less annoying than this. I even think the he was one of the best written characters in the whole show, with an actual arc, growth and drvelopment
Dude, Boy Meets World was so well-written. It was philosophical at times, but always playful and portrayed the young characters and their parents well.
@Jasmine N. Being Hamfisted is when a story is very obvious with the moral of the story. Some people prefer it when the moral is more subtle and the audience can come to their own conclusions.
@Jasmine N. Yeah, i used to love it because it seemed so different than any other disney shows that was currently airing then. I used to think it was "deep". I didn't realize they were just being overdramatic for no apparent reason. like seriously what high school senior cares enough about freshmen to teach them life lessons by messing with them? 😭
I actually liked this show back in the day, especially the episode with Riley's bully, who was supposed to be a metaphor for audience members who criticised Riley for being too annoying.
I cauldn't take that episode or any other seriously as i rewatched it feelt like i was watching a parody of 13 reasons why it tried so hard to be deep when in reality it was just cringe amin almost all of disney and nick show are cringe but at least they didn't try to act like teen drama that's why it was the worst and bmw wasn't any better
As someone who's been waiting my entire life to be diagnosed, I was pissed when he wasn't diagnosed. Like, I literally can't tell time on an analog clock or tie my shoes in a reasonable time, I literally read books on how to socialize, how to make conversation, and practiced making eye contact but I was told for years I was just quirky. I'm not just quirky and could have really used the help and assistance in college... and the show just throws that away???? I'm on a 6 month waiting list for mental health because I'm very visibly autistic with good masking skills. I'm tired all the time and this show has the gall to lecture me before pulling the rug out from me. Also, its objectively worst in moral lessons and life experiences and Shawn deserved to be with Angela!!!!!
I know I am a stranger on the internet, but I know what that mental health wait is like. I have a heavy mental health story (my channel here talks about it) and would be happy to just talk if you need someone while waiting 💗
One thing about girl meets world is that in every episode they expected you to have a correct answer and the problem had to be solved at the end of the episode. That was not the case for boy meets world which is why i loved it so much, they explained sometimes you wont find the correct answer and sometimes would take them episodes to figure something out which is realistic.
Why would the class not tell on Cory for making every class about his daughter and a couple kids....smdh...the kids learn nothing useful on tests so he wastes their time
I am so glad that I’m not the only one that felt extremely uneasy from the dialogue in this show. It feels so fake and weird I thought I transported to a different dimension.
The dialogue feels like an episode after the finale where Cory gets nostalgic and makes a wish that "things were like the good old days" but whatever granted the wish misinterpreted the fuck out of it and made this sitcom nightmare instead where they interject the word WORLD over and over in their sentences.
This show is the definition of great potential, weird execution. Even back when it was first airing, I could tell something was off with the way the dialogue was delivered. Still a lot of good episodes in this show though
And I Can't Get Mad at the Actors I Really Can't Cause they were only doing there jobs at the time its the writing and directing im pointing the finger at
@@reannagordon Yeah, there was even a tweet or something where the show writers basically admitted that they had to respect Disney's restrictions on topics they thought about for the series.
@@reannagordon Sorry, but I don't entirely buy the 'everything that went wrong with GMW was ALL Disney's fault'. I never heard of the writers complain that Disney forced them to write Riley as a meddlesome, annoying jerk who constantly told everyone how good& nice she was and with all her peers worshiping her. If they wrote her that way, that's on THEM!
The autism line, took me off the show as a 8 year old One of my best friends then and still know has autism And they insult him by saying oh, autism is something to be ashamed of.
I’m really sick and tired of the media portraying autistic kids as being weird and obnoxious outcasts that nobody ever wants hanging out with and who can’t do anything for themselves and ate just overgrown toddlers that can’t even tie their own shoes. It’s just so ableist and it’s seriously disgusting. I mean if you took out all mentions of autism in this particular episode and then replaced all mentions of the disorder with something like diabetes and have lines like “You can’t have diabetes! You’re normal!”, how do you think people would react to *that* ? They would be pretty angry and upset and rightly so because having diabetes doesn’t mean you aren’t a normal person. Look I’m fine if some sitcom talks about autism in a very respectful way that isn’t patronizing or calling us weird and “not normal.” Treat us like the human beings with actual thoughts and emotions just like everyone else who just happens to think outside of the box. Stop trying to say we aren’t “normal” just because our brains function differently than yours.
True, it got a little preachy at times with its real life issues, however well intentioned they were. BMW also tackled dark, heavy subjects, but it felt more grounded and realistic.
I feel like all kids shows are cringe looking back at them but watching this as a child was great. It reminds me of the time where there were no worries and eveyrthing was okay :) IMPORTANT: Since people in the replies bring up older tv shows i just wanna say that this was never my point. I grew up with watching older shows as well ( Alf for example ). My point is that just beacuse those kids shows from the 2010s are cringe that they could remind me of the time where there were no worries -------------- Edit: With the first part of my comment I'm not just talking about girl meets world but also about all the other kids shows i watched growing up ♡♡♡♡♡♡ Note: Remeber that you are beautiful and loved
This show had potential, and honestly some of the episodes where really great, mostly the ones that focused on the returning Boy Meets World characters. The problem was it aired on Disney Channel. Disney should have dropped this on ABC or Freerform. The creators would have had more freedom to make the characters more realistic/grown up. Riley basically NEVER loses the mindset of a 12 year old girl throughout the entire shows run, and that kills any potential for her character to be interesting. Maya has some great moments, and the episode where her dad comes back and the one where she freaks out about Shawn marrying her mom were both great. It saddens me so much to think about what this show could have been vs what we got.
@@JohnWilliams-cr2sz I think it would've been better if he was just a great father figure to her. Otherwise it feels (to me at least) that they're trying to say that Maya and her mom can't be happy just cause they don't have a husband/father in their lives.
@@Alissa.Fine24 That's not really how I read it, but I can see how that could be a takeaway. For me, it seemed more like Maya and her mom could be happy the way they were, hence her freak out over the wedding and things changing, but Shawn was also looking for happiness and place to call home. I read more that he just brought a new form of happiness into their lives. I really wish they had moved the two up to main characters when the romance started so we could actually see it develop between them and get the full view of their relationship.
I don't even think it was just Disney because Andi Mack did everything that GMW wished it could've done. Broke so many boundaries that made GMW look like a joke.
The real problem with the show was that Boy Meets World was one of the few realistic sitcoms, with actually believable characters and scenarios. This show was a slap in the face to everything that made Boy Meets World great.
I actually thought that THIS show of girl meets world also seemed very realistic in general upon watching it, making it like my own versionnof first seeing boy meets world, at the same time being different appearantly. It really felt like it
Yeah I always liked how realistic boy meets world was. It had realistic character with realistic scenarios and realistic problems. Girl meets world pretty much was just any other modern Disney channel sitcom. If they had ABC do girl meets world before I’m sure they would’ve done a fairly better job.
@@marlablanco8853 that’s true. I grew up watching some girl meets world episodes here and there, but the truth is when I watched it I didn’t have any feeling towards it. I didn’t find myself getting attached to the characters the way I did in boy meets world when I watched it after. Which is why I said that the boy meets world characters were more real. You were able to connect to them and their problems more.
Girl Meets World was one of the worst spin offs ever! It really started to become even more annoying when they tried to say Maya was becoming Riley because she was being nicer and stopped getting into trouble. Why did her being nicer mean she was turning into Riley? Why couldn't she have just grown as a person?
@@andreamolinar6883 If I'm gonna be honest, Sydney to the max is everything girl meets world SHOULD HAVE BEEN. Sydney is a much better character than Riley. And this show came 2 years after gmw wrapped up.
@@darwinbowman8512 Sidney to the Max is worse. The main character is so bratty and disrespectful. When it comes to Disney Channel it's best to stick to the cartoons.
Little Minkus could've squished Farkle. I don't think he's worried. These girls are more than a match for him on their own. Besides, his remarks are creepy but not intending harm.
@@teganwoods4184 doesn’t matter if he intends harm or not it’s still incredibly degrading to be harassed like that in front of an entire class of people
The first episode was PAINFUL to get through, but I did end up liking the later episodes. I still eye rolled my way through it but there was definitely improvement
That’s a good point. Cory as a kid started out as a smart Alec but his daughter Is like the good, obedient girl and maya is always like “ grow a spine, Riley”
I actually liked this show, in an odd way; yes, it’s overdramatic and just overwhelming sometimes. They made a big deal out of everything. That’s what I liked about it. I knew it wasn’t real, but after watching that chaos, reality didn’t seem so… ridiculously intense after all, and that was a quite good realization for a teenager. It was entertaining (of course, when it wasn’t being painful) to watch and laugh at this, and, when I was not cringing, I could try to get the point of what they were meaning to say.
Just say you liked it with your chest bestie I know I did! I watched both and I love them both in different ways. Boy meets world is the older chill brother and girl meets world is the younger sister who can always make you smile ☺
I liked it as a kid but when I rewatched it with my bf it just didn't have the same spark. The later season even start to feel weirder like some kind of dream.
I kinda didn’t want to watch this. I LOVED this show when I was younger (and still watch the 3rd and 4th seasons) I’m glad you talked truth and didn’t hold back!
I like how dramatic and over the top it was because I remember that's how I felt everything was when I was that age. Everything was do or die. Also there was that episode where Riley just completely gives up who she is cuz she found a group of people who thought she was awesome if she just pretended to be someone else and she completely falls in to that person and I totally get it. When I was that age I did the same thing because I didn't want to feel like I didn't outsider. So people being like no as an adult I know that's ridiculous I'm like okay but at that age did you?
I watched Giirl meets World before I watched Boy Meets World. I knew it was cringe but they also touched upon storylines other disney shows didn't include at that time. I watched it more for Maya's storyline. But Disney destroyed what Girl Meets World could have been. It could have been a proper dramedy with mature storylines and real character arcs without a random childish comment every 1 minute. Still, for what it's worth Girl Meets World taught me a lot as well.
Would’ve been better if it was just Maya’s story. Riley could’ve been the side character, stil, get Cory and Topanga through that, but Maya is just way way better of a character… until the end of the triangle
I'm a huge Boy Meets World. So while I do find some guest stars episodes with the BMW cast okay, the ones with Eric and especially Angela kind of disappointed me the most. Girl Meets World writers took that Mr. Squirrel dream episode from BMW too seriously and actually made that storyline canon about Eric when they introduced him in the show, which I thought it was a weird and dumb way to do so. He later got better though... Now as for Shawn and Angela.... I also don't like how how GMW did Shawn and Angela's relationship dirty, Boy Meets World's famous interracial couple at that too. The show vilified Angela and made it seem like she completely dumped Shawn and wanted nothing to do with him anymore. But the writers of GMW seem to forget how Shangela actually had a mutual breakup in the original show. In the original show, Angela had to move oversees to live with her dad in the military and both Shawn and Angela realized that they can't make a long-distance relationship work. GMW also had Shawn moping about Angela for the past 15 years until he eventually becomes Maya's stepfather. Yep. They broke them up so that Shawn can end up with Maya's mom.
Whew. Thank you for this comment, so I know I can give this show a full pass. I know they officially kept Shawn and Angela broken up on the reboot, but I always assumed it had to do with the real life issues surrounding how Angela’s actress was treated by the other cast members. I wish the writers could have been decent about it
Well, the thing that happened was the creators told Angela that others thought she was stealing the spotlight, so she left. But that wasn't true. The creators were just fricking lazy@@milkflavored
GMW gave them a shot to fix the mistake they made with Shawn and Angela by establishing that they got back together soon after the end of BMW (she was just gone for a year or so), they got happily married and had beautiful biracial kids, after everything they had gone through they deserved that, but instead they chose to make it all worse crushing the ship even more by vilifying Angela and making get married to someone else even though Shawn was her true love, just so they could match-make him with Kate. I mean if they wanted he and Kate to be together so badly then why couldn’t they just start the show with the two of them together and why couldn’t he be Maya’s biological father? I heard once that at first Maya was supposed to be Shawn and Angela’s biracial daughter but they changed the plans when they decided they wanted Sabrina Carpenter to play Maya (she was a promise) and she obviously couldn’t play a biracial character so they wrote her as Kate’s daughter instead
When doing a reboot or remake, you need to answer two questions: what about the original made it work so well? Whatever the answer is, you need to keep that. Second question: what new stories does it have to tell? I'll take a parallel universe version of the characters if they just don't try to tell me shot for shot a story that the original already told well.
Can we talk about the college party episode and how the college girls threatened to expose Josh for being a p3d0 if he didn't sit down. And they encouraged Josh and Maya's relationship. Why did Disney think it was okay to encourage a college student dating a 13-year-old. That's weird
lmao didn't they say they would wait for each other? I was surprised Disney went with a plot line like that. Can't show abuse or drugs but this is fine? lol
This show was painfully behind. The term Asperger's was phased out of the diagnostic standards a full year before this show debuted. They even sorta acknowledge this in their phrasing because "Autism Spectrum Disorder" is the current accepted diagnosis.
The big difference between the shows comes from the fact that they aired on different Networks which means the production and writing was entirely different. Boy Meets World and its 7 seasons all aired originally on ABC not Disney Channel (Disney picked up ABC in the middle of the shows run and Disney only ran reruns). This allowed the writers and producers to create a great show that was for preteens and teenagers that dealt with serious issues, as well as some light hearted stuff. Meanwhile Girl Meets World was produced by Disney. Disney has shown that when it comes to producing their own original shows, they do pretty well, however, when they’re producing and writing remakes of something else they do poorly. Girls Meets World was an okay show but it could never stand up to its predecessor. Disney didn’t really understand what made Boy Meets World special. Everything for the most part in Boy Meets world feels natural. The lessons they learned and experiences they went through felt genuine. Meanwhile in Girl Meets World almost everything is given to them and almost nothing is ever earned. For example look at the teaching styles from Mr. Feeny and Corey as teachers. Mr. Feeny would try his best to teach Cory, and Eric for different reasons. Cory was being a bad student on purpose for the sake of Shawn at times (not wanting him to feel left out) and his own developed laziness because of this. Feeny new Corey was smart if he just tried instead of wanting to fit-in. Feeny would try understanding and tough love with Eric because he knew Eric’s laziness was out of fear of not making it in the real world. He knew Eric could be great but only if Eric let go of his fear and stop making excuses for himself. Mr. Feeny was genuinely trying to help but not overstep his boundaries. Once Cory becomes a teacher, he pretty much force-feeds whatever lessons about life he can into the lesson plan for his history class. It’s gets to a point where his own students call it out. That made it seem like Disney was making fun of Mr. Feeny as if he did the same thing. This shows that the Disney producers never understood the original show. That’s why they should have just left it alone or have it Produced on FreeForm
Agree with you but I'm not sure it the force-feeding was all Disney's fault! Also, they openly DID make fun of and show contempt for of Mr. Feeny on this show and with no one apologizing- ever!
I also really hate how this show destroyed the relationship between Shawn and Angela. In the series finale of “Boy meets world,” it was hinted that Shawn and Angela would end. However, they could’ve found someone better for Shawn than Maya’s mother. She lacked the emotional intelligence of Angela and did not share in Shawn’s love of the arts.
Same!! It felt like they only brought Shawn back so that maya would have a father and that his and Cory’s kids would be friends. It was annoying, especially cause I liked Shawn and Angela best on BMW
I hated how they acted like Angela was just another person who abandoned Shawn and left him for no reason when in the end of BMW he literally let her go so she could spend a year with her father, whom she never got to see…even if they weren’t going to end up together, they did Angela and their relationship so dirty. I also hated that they put Shawn with Maya’s mom. It felt more like they wanted Shawn to be Maya’s dad so they shoved him into a relationship with her mom. Very cringe.
@@theshire9173 oh I was in the fandom years ago I just remember people in the fandom being really divisive especially when it came to the love triangle in the show
6:56 this little shit is the real life equivalent of mineta from my hero academia, literally the FIRST 2 seconds of this boy's dialogue made me want to choke my lights out
"I have literally no one at home to help me with my homework." ... Maya, honey, you are literally over at his house EVERY SINGLE DAY! It's not cheating! Literally say "Mr. Matthews, will you help me with my homework?" If anyone asks "My best friend's dad helped me." Of course they know who you're talking about but what are they going to do? Fire the only teacher at the school?
Farkle was an annoying character up until season 3, it actually went in depth into his personality and made his humor so much more tolerable and actually much better, the second season was also pretty good as the beginning to his character arc, in the episode where they are handing out the yearbooks and all, he realizes that his awkwardness isn’t appreciated by anyone besides his friends, so he changes his outward image and personality to match what he believes a “regular guy” would be, but at the end, while everyone is trying to convince him to go back to the way he was, he learns that while he should still stay true to himself, it was always kind of his own voice that was telling him to grow and mature, especially since high school is right around the corner, meaning that he would be reaching a point in his life where he should act more mature and adult-like. Season 2 and 3 also touched on the topic of bullying and why it’s important to tell somebody, it’s wasn’t the cliche “bullying isn’t ok” lesson every other show has, it took a more mature approach and instead said “Hiding your feelings will never be a good way to cope with bullying, it’s better to tell someone about it”. Not to mention the fact that the guy being rude to Farkle wasn’t doing the cliche “haha loser” line that causes every Disney character to miraculously break down In tears 😐, he was personally attacking him out of jealousy. Now this is still cringey on its own, but had good intent, where as Farkle’s entire personality in the first season is literally “😀” and his weird obsession with Riley and Maya. Season 3 also allowed him to move away from Riley and Maya and focus on his relationship with another. Season 3 also did a really good job with the humor, I swear the first episodes were both sad, wholesome, and hilarious all at the same time. I gotta admit, I wasn’t expecting part of his humor to end up being him falling off a chandelier 😂
I used to love girl meets world (not even knowing it was a sequel and that boy meets world existed). Then i watched boy meets world and absolutely loved it. THEN, i went back and rewatched girl meets world and thought “wow…girl meets world is trash.” Boy meets world is way better.
Yeah, thanks for the note, personally i'm going to decide not to do that, if it turns out that way. This is whybI like to stick for what's original to me from the beggining
@@marlablanco8853 I don't know if this helps but I love Boy Meets World and grew up with it. And yes I do find that show better and highly recommend it. But I also love Girl Meets World. It didn't get to be as intense and risky as BMW but it let the characters learn lessons that weren't learned on other Disney shows.
what really annoyed me was when they weee all like "riley is such a true friend, she stepped back when she found out that maya liked lucas" but maya stayed back like the whole show and gave riley lucas
This is what I hated about the whole love triangle thing. It’s so obvious that this was not originally the plan since previous episodes gave absolutely zero indication that Maya had a crush on Lucas
I never really got into this show but the episode where Farkle gets tested for autism annoyed me to no end because of how ableist it came off. It was treated like a disease when that's the furthest from the truth & even the ending where Farkle's actor tried to explain it rubbed me the wrong way because the damage had already been done by having the other actors over react & treating him potentially being on the spectrum as this debilitating disease
Yea instead of just being their for him and act like nothing's going to change. They instead gasp like it's some drama and you just found out the side character only has 5 days to live.
To be fair, high schoolers make mistakes and aren't always thinking like that. When things change (especially for teens on TV) they act like it's the end of the world, because that's kinda what they do. Doesn't mean it was right, but flaws are a thing and mistakes are made. I don't know, just my opinion.
With Farkle, you forgot to mention that he was basically harassing two girls in front of the teacher, ONE OF WHICH IS THE TEACHER'S CHILD. Just a small detail.
For a few years I said they should do a next gen spin off where Cory and Topanga were the parents of a daughter and call it Girl Meets World. I was amped when the news dropped. Man what a mess. It would be better if it never happened.
I agree! What was worse was they kept shoving down the viewers' throats that Riley was supposedly a sweet saint despite the fact that she was depicted as an entitled, spoiled, bossy, meddling and somewhat mean person (and retrotrashed and/or dumped on virtually all the BMW characters depicted). If the writers weren't going to actually depict their new protagonist as an actual saint, they should have had the other characters call her on her less perfect traits instead of constantly enabling and touting her alleged wonderfulness.
Definitely no where near BMW but I feel like I really blame the platform, as a basic premise and with a lot of the original cast who wanted to be part of it, it had a lot of potential. I remember when it got canceled there was a campaign for Netflix to pick it up, sometimes I wonder how the show would've done on another platform where they were ale to deal with more mature themes
I really thought that was the biggest issue shouldn’t have been on Disney I agree. I was 19 when this remake came out and checked it out but I wanted it to be real and it wasn’t
I remember catching a small part of an episode of this show while flipping channels (which was a thing people used to do). A teacher was in danger of getting fired by the principal for letting the kids read comic books instead of the assigned book for class. They were giving over dramatic, cringey dialogue about the wonderful things they can read about in comics and how they touch on real issues and stuff. Which is partly true but it made me think of the episode of Boy Meets World where Corey teaches for a week and tries to get the class to read/care about The Diary of Anne Frank. Comic books are fine. Maybe have them read Maus or something. But Having an episode about "Superman said racism is bad and that's why I should be able to read it for lit class" after Boy Meets World had an episode about Anne Frank really weakens your argument. This isn't an insult to comics. There is genuine value in comic. I read comics and manga all the time. I also read actual books all the time. So should you and so should children. Maybe they reached a nuanced agreement at the end I don't know as I couldn't stand to watch it long enough to find out. But for the brief portion I saw. I was on the principal's side
Actually, they were literally just recycling the episode of Boy Meets World where the first thing Jonathan Turner did when he got up to teach the class was take a comic away from either Corey or Shawn, say that it was a good one, and tell the class to get a copy and read it. Though yes, the Anne Frank one when Corey and Feeny had the bet and Corey taught for a week was a good one as well.
I used to really like the show, but it suffers from having way more interesting side characters than the main character. Maya, Farkle, Lucas, Josh, Shawn and even Zay all have way more interesting stories to tell. Instead Riley takes the focus and doesn’t really ever evolve or change like the rest. Her problems never match the level of the other characters problems. Plus the never ending triangle took a lot of wind out of it. They covered really deep topics well, but also treated simple problems as earth shattering revelations. The series had a good (albeit rushed) conclusion but it deserved to be renewed. At least Boy meets World is always there and covers similar topics. There were great episodes. Some of my favorites were the episodes with Shawn, or addressing the age difference with Maya and Josh, or seeing the evolution of the friendship between the guys especially Farkle and Zay. The episode on ancestry was probably my favorite in the whole series.
There are few things as irritating as nostalgia-bait sequel shows. There never seems to be any idea beyond “hey, remember this show you loved as a kid? Well now the kids are grown ups and live in the exact same situation their dad, uncle, and dad’s friend lives in! Laugh!”
as someone who didn't watch Boy Meets World (I didn't even know it existed): I didn't understand why Riley was the protagonist, she didn't change or learn anything or forgot about it instanly. I really liked Maya, who actually was a good character & I could relate to her, I never understood why she wasn't the protagonist. Lucas was the most non-character (other than Riley) in the show. he didn't show emotions, even when he was angry he didn't show any sign of it. Farkle was a funny weirdo (I didn't pay much attention to him). Lucas & Maya not becoming a couple (Riley is the protagonist, so she should get him) was probably the most disappointing part to me. basically, Sabrina Carpenter is great, the rest was unnecessary
She was most likely made as the main protagonist for being Cory's daughter, but of course, something you wouldn't know seeing the show for the first time as itself. Aslo I found out that originally Sabrina Carpenter auditioned to play Riley, and Rowan Blanchard to play Maya if you didn't know. I know that doesn't exactly make a difference since the character Riley itself wasn't going to seem to seem like the main protagonist, but still if anything , for what it was supposed to be. But yes, I am glad for who they turned out to be
I'm a diehard Boy Meets World fan and have rewatched the full series within the last year, also finding new appreciation for it as an adult (Even though they didn't give Amy as much character development as Alan. I guess it's because the show was centered around Cory vs Morgan.). Granted, I wasn't the demographic for Girl Meets World but did try to watch at least the episodes the BMW cast were prevalent in. But GMW is so, so hard to watch for reasons Alex states and like a bazillion more. BMW dealt with so many issues in a sincere way that most youth-oriented TV shows ignore or shy away from, like drug abuse, racism, child abuse, sexism, etc. The characters, stories, cast chemistry and risks that BMW took make it hold up today. Nothing felt forced or said just for laughs (Maybe a little bit in the beginning, but it didn't feel super overdone). I felt like I was watching and growing up with a show about kids to adults that I could have been friends with the whole time. And the messages and dynamics left an impact on me. In GMW's defense, they were held to the Disney Channel's hard standards. Had the characters and stories been given the similar treatment as BMW, it could have been really great, and I hope it did make some sort of positive impact on its younger audience members like BMW did with me. But maybe, kids should skip GMW and just check out BMW instead.
I really think Disney needs to give their child audience more credit. Seems like their shows are now just filtered with cheap cheesy jokes that you only think to laugh at because of the forced laugh track that plays every 10 seconds and no real substance that can challenge views and teach sometimes hard life lessons. Frankly I think it’s an insult to youth’s intelligence. They should respect their audience more.
Yeah I agree, I think GMW could have tackled some of the new issues that faced children and the existing ones tackled in BMW. Unfortunately Disney just couldn't get that deep and I think that's why it just doesn't compare. Girl Meets World was the most moral heavy show on Disney, so that says something about how they "teach" audiences. It's such a shame that Disney held the show back from what it could have been.
When I was a kid I always used to cringe at the ham-fisted life lessons that they recapped in the classrooms I think it was? Idk, that always stuck with me for some reason
Okay, can we just discuss how Alex finally popped off? Like some of the reboots are okay, but some of them are like, really bad. Girl Meets World's existence pissed him off so bad that he didn't even go over one episode, he just went over everything he didn't like about it as a whole. It was a nice change of pace I wish all of his videos were like this.
