@@hinasakukimi Ehh… I mean, IMO the show remained fully camp until the end. It only really got truly dark three times (‘On My Way’, ‘Shooting Star’ and ‘The Quarterback’) and the last of those was…kind of completely unavoidable. SS avoided going too dark by having the shooting be a complete accident and no one getting hurt at all, and OMW had the darkness really only confined to a few scenes. And the subjects those episodes covered were both important and widespread enough in the real world to justify the show talking about them. The only “dark and gritty” that truly struck me as being completely out of place was TQ but, as I said, that was kind of completely unavoidable because after S4 had put such a focus on him becoming Schue’s eventual replacement, they had to address the fact that Finn/Cory wasn’t around anymore.
@@overlydramaticpanda nah, they absolutely tried to portray SO many issues completely seriously (maybe dark is a bad word to use, 'serious' works better). i mean, quinn's mental illness/depression, santana being closeted, kurt being assaulted and bullied, etc. just because the examples you listed are the most shocking examples doesn't mean there weren't terrible attempts at portraying serious drama. glee had issues with tonal whiplash from the start but it definitely got worse from season 2 onwards. it was too overly sentimental/sappy to enjoy as a dark comedy but too irreverent to handle any of the issues it presented at all
As someone with a spinal cord injury, what most people don’t get about the fight between Quinn and Artie about her injury is that when you are injured doctors will say you might be able to learn to walk again. As people around you are grieving about your injury (parents, family and friends) everyone clings to the might walk again. Artie was injured in a car accident when he was eight. He’s been through thinking that the wheelchair is temporary and then the crashing blow when you realize it’s not. He doesn’t want her to not recover, he wants her to be prepared in case it doesn’t happen for her because if it doesn’t it hurts way more.
@@caincosplays It was just really badly written into the show. It was definitely trying to be "prepare for the worst" but they wrote him so badly that it really went over a lot of people's heads...
yes, exactly! i also have a spinal cord injury and was in a wheelchair for a very long time - now i can walk with assistance from other mobility aids sometimes - and honestly i really appreciated Artie trying to prepare her for the heartbreak of that "might" not becoming a "you will"
Just so you know, the guest star in episode 5, is Kristen Chenoweth, a very famous Broadway star. And so is Indina Menzel. They starred in Wicked together for years. So I'm sure they're just trying to make excuses to make them sing.
I was looking for this comment. It pained me so much when he was making reference to Indina being in Wicked while not knowing that Kristen was literally the Galinda to Indina’s Elphaba
The fact that Rachel chokes and gets in, while Kurt CRUSHES his audition and doesn’t, was the biggest Glee controversy (probably still is) and the thing that turned me off the show LOL! I didn’t watch S4 onwards.
"The cool guys don't like the music but all the cool guys do music" basically Chad and his "I don't dance" but proceeds to dance through the whole song
One day, in high school, my friends found out I was having another friend over to watch the premiere of HSM2, and most of the girls invited themselves over and proceeded to essentially ruin the night for us by talking loudly over the entire movie about how dumb it was, mostly because people were randomly breaking into song... you know... like in a musical!~ The kicker? My "friend" circle was primarily band & choir kids in high school! *MANY* of our group sleepovers featured us watching and singing along to Disney animated musicals!!! I went to several choir, band, and staged musical performances my "friends" performed in through out high school!!! Yet it became a frequent "joke" in the group about how we liked dumb HSM?! *Teenagers are morons*
The scene where Burt kicks Finn and his mom out because he uses the f slur against Kurt hit me so hard the first time I watched it. I paused the episode and sat and cried for half an hour. I was going to a school at the time where I'd hear the equivalent of that slur in my language thrown around as an insult ALL the time, and the teachers were all so terrible about discipling them. Seeing an adult on screen take it with the exact amount of seriousness it requires, refusing to accept all of Finn's excuses that I've heard from bullies a million times (even when Kurt tries to tell him it's okay, he doesn't take that out either), telling him he's lying when he says "That's not what I meant", saying "I know what you meant! What, you think I didn't use that word when I was your age? [...] We meant it exactly the way you meant it. That being gay is wrong. That it's some kind of punishable offence." And then putting his son above the first woman he's loved since his wife died, was one of the most validating experiences of my life. Kurt's entire journey meant so much to me, too. I know he, like all Glee characters, can be super annoying and has morally questionable moments, but no other fictional character has ever made me feel so seen in my queerness as him.
SAAAME oh my god i sobbed. i think the entire plot line with kurt trying to date finn by setting up their parents was super creepy and really undermined the point they were trying to make with his character but it still hit hard
@@mujiescomedy279 that's not the point though. the point is it's weird that they wrote a gay character as a creepy predator in the first place, especially when they already had a creepy predatory gay character lol. it honestly felt like character sabotage for the both of them imo
@@hinasakukimi I’d agree with you, but nearly every character in glee is a creepy predator, gay or straight. Rachel was super creepy to Finn when he was dating Quinn, Finn was creepy to Rachel when she was dating Jesse, will and Emma were creepy to each other when the other was in a relationship, sue seems to have a camera in will’s bedroom which is all kinds of creepy I take it more as an “it’s always sunny in Philadelphia” thing. All the characters are kind of the worst, gay straight, etc
Haley Whipjack is working her way through OUAT season by season if you're interested. I feel like it has the vibes you're looking for (constantly shocked at the insane plot lines, and losing her mind at the family tree), though I agree I think a seamus version of this would be great
Right?! I clicked on it, thinking it would be . . . significantly shorter lmao, my mum was very confused when I looked at the length and suddenly exclaimed "FIVE HOURS?!?!" 😅😂
I clicked this video expecting this to be from a seasoned glee tumblr veteran and to find out you watched this mammoth icon horrible terrible no good very bad most amazing thing I've ever seen show in the year of our lord 2023 is absolutely wild and I can do nothing but commend you for it Also I'm not familiar with your channel at all (that will be changing, immediately subscribed) but if you loved how messy and ridiculous Glee was, plssssss give SMASH a chance. It's only two seasons, but it's two seasons of insane singing, love to hate them characters, and some of the genuinely best broadway performances I've ever seen in my life
To be fair to the sh00ting episode, it’s seems realistic as far what the students are doing and the lock down procedures. As an American who was in recently public high school, turning off the lights, locking the doors and being ushered into a corner/behind something/against the wall is exactly what you do in active sh00ter situations/drills. Students texting each other and their parents to say goodbye or give updates is normal. Oh the joys of being American /s
i think the main problem, especially at the time, was that Glee just wanted a headline but didnt actually want to deal with actually making that kind of episode. so they undercut it. which is worse than not making it at all. especially in America where all the people in a school have a very real fear of not coming home. im 27 and still run through what i would do when an attacker comes in to kill us all. and have a seminar quarterly where my coworkers and i have to run through what to do in an emergency. when there are 12 yr olds who know to rub blood on themseleves and play dead. playing the fear off for views is offensive and a slap in the face.
That is exactly what I was thinking lmaoooo, that phrase hunts me, it causes somthing deep within me to stir. (Also great name and pfp, Ever After High slaps)
53:56 To be fair, although he ultimately enjoyed his time on Glee and loves the character of Artie, Kevin McHale has admitted he deeply regrets playing him because the role could and should have went to an actually disabled actor. He's said that if he was offered the role today, he would turn it down. He was unfortunately uninformed about the prevalence of actors with disabilities being passed over in favour of more able-bodied actors, but he's now educated himself and regrets potentially taking the spot from someone. Still love Kevin, though, and he and Jenna Ushkowitz (Tina) have a podcast together talking about their time on Glee and other stars of the show appear on the podcast as well
Was basically going to say the same thing. But there is an added fact that both Artie and Kurts characters during the writing process were intertwined. By Kurt being written for Chris Colfer and Kurt is the name of a previous character he played. Artie just so happens to be the character Chris auditioned for. So I wonder if Kevin wasn’t right for Artie would they have actually cast him to his character or if they would’ve tried to give the story beats that they written minus the disability and give it to Kurt who they just created for Chris.
There are in fact “teacher of the year” awards in American schools. Also high schools and colleges have the marching band perform numbers during half time :)
As someone who is in show choir irl, I can confidently say that people there will cheer for anything there, even last place, so the teams coming in 3rd being so happy is 100% realistic.
The bit about Burt defending Kurt, I replayed it so many times, and I'm glad you're another person who shares love/liking for that man, because more people (and parents) need to be like Burt!
Some context for the Quarterback episode (the Corey/Finn memorial episode): When Corey died Ryan Murphy (the lead producer of the show) approached Lea Michelle (who plays Rachel, and was Corey's actual fiancé) on what she wanted to do about the show. She was given the options of continuing "as normal", delaying the season, or to cancel the show altogether; and she chose the first option. Everyone was really emotional during the episode as that quite literally was them processing and mourning the death of their friend together. Also, during that episode when Rachel tells mr Shue about what she thought her and Finn's future would have been, that was Ryan Murphy telling us, the viewers, what the actual plans for the two characters were. Another bit of info/context to explain the format of season 4: The New York bits weren't originally supposed to be in the tv show Glee, but in a spinoff. The reason why that didn't end up happening was because the spinoff hadn't yet been announced to some of the "New York cast" (I think Lea was the only cast member who knew about the project at that point) before the info about glee season 4 had gotten out, making both viewers and Chris Colter (who played Kurt) to think that he had suddenly been fired from the show. It created a bunch of drama (mainly from the side of the viewers), and eventually they decided to scrap the spinoff to instead incorporate the New York storyline into the original show; giving us the mishmash of storylines we know as season 4 (and half of season 5). Honestly, there's so much background information that is needed to actually understand glee, that it's nearly impossible to know what's going on half of the time unless you've been on top of it pretty much since the show started, and are still keeping up now, nearly a decade after the show ended.
I think he’s probably ones of the few likeable characters in this show As for best 2010s TV dads there isn’t much competition but apart from Phil Dunphy and Jack Pearson
Everyone on the youtube: Putting out shorts as often as possible. Seamus: Silence for half a year and then a 5 hour video... It is so wonderful to have you back. A youtuber who does whatever he wants.
I am thankful Glee exists for three reasons: 1) Watching people discover the show for the first time and seeing how unhinged and out of pocket it is 2) The Naya Rivera (Rest in Peace queen) and Grant Gustin Smooth Criminal power duo (the raw sexual tension from a gay man and a lesbian is unmatched) 3) Burt Hummel. Just, everything about Burt Hummel
1:26:56 yes! Most American schools do have “performances” at halftime, all though it is just the dance, cheer, and marching band (all separate) preforming the same thing for all of the games, as someone who is in marching band it isn’t glee level or Super Bowl level lmao
Haha opposite of Seamus on this it seems. Buuut it was one of my favorite parts too. :) That and all the wedding stuff and the finale. (Oh and the last Glee club performance with Take Me to Church)
btw: cheer is definitely a sport, it's very acrobatic. and cheerleaders aren't just supporting the football team anymore, they have their own shows and competitions
19:30 you know who that is right?! Kristin Chenoweth! Wicked the Musical, she's Glinda. And Rachel Berry's mum in Glee, is Elphaba from Wicked (I suppose shes more famous for Frozen and Enchanted than Wicked now). But glee was good at easter eggs for viewers that are super into musical theatre. Burt is the real MVP 🙌 He is the best one, loved him ❤️ Fave Sue quote: "I just prefer to think of the homeless as 'outdoorsy'. So shine on urban campers, you smell like adventure!" 😂🤦♀️
one of my many critiques of the episode where they all rode wheelchairs is…..wouldn’t a accessible bus be more affordable than renting all those wheelchairs for no reason??
And in one of the episodes where they don't have enough funding, Will somehow brings in FIVE purple pianos??? I can't imagine the budget breakdown for this glee club
I think there was an excuse that the wheelchairs were donated. But yeah, the Glee Club's budget was whatever the writers needed it to be for their plot to happen.
Glee club budget is the most strange thing in the world. And as I understand New direction’s first set list for sectionals included “Proud Mary” number, so…maybe they needed this wheelchairs. But it’s really strange plot line
I was quite literally done with Glee after the end of season 4. Vowed not to watch it anymore- then one of my friends (Erinn Westbrook) was cast as "Bree" in season 5 so I decided to watch it for her. She was (and is) a wonderful actress, but I still wish I'd quit before season 5.
Also no pressure, but I’ve seen a few people recommend Once Upon a Time to you in these comments, and oh my god you could do a whole series on that show. The same exact experience for me as Glee, where I watched it for years in high school, convinced that I loved it, only to get to the second to last season and go “wait, actually I hate this show and every character on it, what am I doing here” and peaced out. I still have a fondness for the memory of OUAT, just how buckwild that show was and how good it could have been with better writing.
I was apart of the fandom in 2010 until it ended, it consumed my life, I had a tumblr, I was front row at Glee Live in Dublin. I discovered so much about myself in Glee. It was a wild ride, but those memories are the best of my teen years. R.I.P. Naya & Cory ❤️
2:05 My parents were the "dont talk about world issues at all" type parents and I grew up in aplace where it was illegal and people were very conservative or at least didnt talk about it, so I did in fact learn about gay and trans people from glee. Which is insane to think about now and it probably wasnt the best first exposure but also really wasnt the worst. ( I am very gay now so it couldnt have been that bad 🤷🏻♀️)
"I refuse to believe geography of Europe is a class americans take" the way i screamed lol xD also you're so right they should have ended this show after season 3
For the death of Cory Monteith, Lea Michele (his girlfriend at the time) was given 3 options of how to handle it: end the show, take one week off, or take one month off. She chose one week off because that's what she thought he would have wanted, for the show to go on. And the cast as a whole wanted closure, and wanted to give the audience closure. Thus "The Quarterback" was created.
no because the grease episode being randomly life changing is so valid - like it’s impossible to explain but it’s just the truth it’s a communal experience
The Glee School shooting episode I heard one great defence for it, that being that it shatters the nature of the show, this consequence free, care free school world, in the same way that a real shooting also shatters the illusion that schools are a safe place for children. So the show makes the audience experience the shock of that sudden jarring tone shift in the way they should upon hearing a school is the target of an attack. Does this work... I am not 100% convinced but it is a argument I see merit in.
Yeah but the shooting episode is basically never mentioned beyond the episode immediately afterwards, there are virtually no consequences or any lasting impact on any of the characters.
@@kitkatchild6069Since the shooting in the episode was an accident and no one was hurt, I’m not mad that there weren’t lasting consequences. If there were victims or a motivated attacker, then I think that would change my opinion on how they handled this episode.
@@frimie1the issue with this, is that you can argue, then what was the point of the episode??? It adds nothing, says nothing, and comes off as being nothing more than shock value
I IMMEDIATELY WENT TO THE COMMENTS BECAUSE LIKE YES IT IS??? they compete, require immense physical exertion/skill, and generally has a defined set of rules (of course it varies depending on where you compete, but still)
@no-sp8xt i don't see the arts as lesser? and i'm not in cheer; I'm in the arts, but my friends who are in cheer have been fighting to be recognized as a sports team for years. also, i generally consider things like theater and glee to be a combination of sports and arts (because they compete + involve a lot of physical exertion), but they mostly err on the side of performing arts, so if i had to categorize them, i would place them as such.
i honestly feel like puck S/A’ed quinn because she says that she didn’t want to and he got her drunk on wine coolers or smth like that idk something worth pointing out i think
Fun fact: I was in show choir the year Glee ended and Glee got a *LOT* of logistical things wrong, but I’ll just give you 4. 1) Sectionals are not a thing. I could be wrong or maybe it’s different in Ohio, but sectionals don’t exist. Regionals is the first competition, then States, then Nationals. 2) The 1st place team is not the only one that moves on. It’s actually the 1st *and* 2nd place teams that move on to the next competition. 3) A real kiss 100% does *not* disqualified you. Also, that entire audience was highschoolers, and they had them acting not like highschoolers towards that kiss (even at high school theater competitions you can hear people wooing in the audience to kisses on stage). 4) There are far more than 3 schools that perform at each competition, *but* I understand why they did this. It’s easier to have 3 teams and show a little bit from the 2 that aren’t the New Directions. Also I know for other performing arts regional competitions you have a choice of which one you want to perform at, so that could possibly explain why the schools are different each time.
About 4. As I remember from the cycle 2 on nationals New Directions was on the 12th place so there were more than 12 school on the competition. But it’s the last time when we heard about it
About 4. As I remember from the cycle 2 on nationals New Directions was on the 12th place so there were more than 12 school on the competition. But it’s the last time when we heard about it
@@amelisonger What I meant about only seeing 3 schools is that we only see 3 at sectionals and regionals. I do appreciate that they show way more groups at nationals, and that was just placements. I’m assuming at nationals there would be at least 50 groups (1 for each state), possibly 100 (2 for each state or divided up based on population size of each state). If that’s the case then them only ranking the top 15 or so groups would be the most realistic thing.
I will also like to point out that the show clearly had no idea how valedictorians work. You don't vote on who you want to be valedictorian because the valedictorian is the smartest person in the school. And you definitely can't vote on who's smarter than the other people.
in some schools like mine, the senior class actually votes for the valedictorian. it’s because some public schools don’t like having any sort of ‘ranking’ so they wouldn’t want to tell the student body who the student w the highest gpa is
@@Violetmama all the time? my high school didn't have a show choir specifically, but i was in both the theater and choir programs that we did have. alumni coming back was pretty common if they were in town when preformances were going on.
@@Violetmama the receptionist for my high school had graduated from the school about five years earlier? some people get a bit trapped by their hometown, be grateful it didnt happen to you instead of being completely stupefied by that possbility
One thing I will say about Terry in season 1 is that yes she did lie about the baby but when she first told him she didn't think she was lying. She didn't know until she went to the doctor and they told her it was a hysterical pregnancy. At that point yes it's on her because she started lying instead of telling him the truth I know this is getting to be a long comment now cuz I keep editing it but the moment Idina Menzel showed up. I was like they're going to end up making her Rachel's mom. The two actresses just look way too similar for them to have not gone that route
im not gonna lie, i didn't trust anything you said about the music after you said that kristen chenoweth's first performance was skippable. that is THE queen, she's a broadway legend. in a show about show choir and show tunes you gotta know these things.
Couple things... Literally love Trouty Mouth so much! Look it up every once in a while and dang is it hillarious. Pretty sure the deal with Niada is that in one episode Rachel and Kurt talk about going to Juliard. Then the next episode, I'm pretty sure someone told the writers that Juliard doesn't have a musical theatre program, so the writers had to invent Niada is a like a Juliard equivalent but with musical theatre.
He makes a joke about how Grant Gustin later becomes the Flash, but completely misses over the fact Melissa Benoist who later plays Supergirl gets two guys singing how they are Superman to her.
Seamus, I don't know if you knew, but that scene in which Santana cries and runs out screaming, and Mike and Mr. Shue are approaching to calm her down was never in the script, Naya actually broke down singing that song, and Harry and Matthew actually wanted to take care of her in that moment.
Really feels like they wanted to make a spin off and couldn't, cause like holy shit they needed to either have the old characters go to a new show, or commit to a time skip and have them become teachers so that they don't come across as the worlds saddest alumni
Thats exactly what happened, there was a bunch of drama around it and then the spin off didnt happen. A youtuber named Cid Dwyer i think made a few videos covering behind the scenes glee drama, I highly recommend:)
~1:26:00 I need non-American viewers to know that not only do high school half-time shows exist, but Thriller-themed ones are, like, an absolute necessity. (At least, it was at my high school!) Beside the Homecoming game, the Thriller football game was always THE most attended game. People would legit leave after the half-time performance because they cared more about our dance team than they did football. (Half-time dances were also very common at basketball events, too!)
I watched this entire video all today and I don't know if it's delusion or it was genuinely this way but I felt that it became funnier every single time a word or phrase was censored with "glee!" I was pissing myself by the last censor.
In drama school they taught me that acting drunk is difficult because drunk people try to act sober. So if you act drunk without considering that, it seems off.
I watched glee when season 4 was airing (aged 6 roughly) it was my first view of LGBTQ+/relationships in general and really normalised it for me which I think is a huge pro of the show.
The fact that Rachel, Kurt and Santana are still in the show in season 4+ because there was going to be a spinoff for them but Ryan Murphy is notoriously kind of a dick so he got them excited and then ripped the rug out from under them and just added the story lines from the other show into glee.
It wouldn't be too hard to make! Plenty of craft stores sell plain white tshirts, theres letter stencils and fabric paint or you can buy special sheets of printer paper to print the design from your computer and iron it onto the shirt! I had to do the latter method for a school project that incidentally happened around when that episode aired. I hope you end up with your shirt one way or another lol
