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Gnarly Oak Stalls Homebuilt Splitter With Single Stage Pump 

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The video today highlights the negative side of utilizing a single stage pump for a wood splitter. First off, a LOT of horsepower is needed it the relief valve is set extremely high. If not, you will kill a 30 or 40 hp tractor easily. We however, rely on the speed of the ram to act as a maul in initiate the splitting process on hard to split pieces. But to ensure that happens, you have to run the pump at full gpm at the rated rpm. You have to understand also that the stresses on the mechanical components take a tremendous hit when operating it in that manner and the shock to the welded components takes its toll over time. I like to run at mid to high idle because that way I'm not wasting an excessive quantity of fuel. Plus it's easier on me physically. I don't have to work nearly as hard but the detriment is the occasional hard to process piece of wood.
You'll see the way to wallow the piece around like your drunk buddy that lost a bet and is mudwrestling a hot chick in that 'out of the way' bar most red necks are familiar with. For the record....I had to ask....never seen it firsthand.....jus' sayin'. LOL Anyway back to reality now with the story. It IS a bit of a pain because the piece has to be physically manipulated into submission....again, like the hot chick in the mudwrestling pit. But eventually in this wood splitting scenario we always end up the winner of the battle, or come out on top speaking metaphorically. Now I've got to say there have been some that were too huge to even roll onto the beam in the kneeling position and had to be noodled with the chainsaw into smaller pieces first. But no matter, if we could have gotten 'em to the beam we would have won those battles as well. Hydraulics are your friend.
Now a two stage pump has its benefits in the scenario created on the last large piece in the video. In the first stage of a comparable gpm rated pump, the ram will receive the same quantity of oil and move at the same speed as a single stage pump....but....when it produces pressure at a predetermined point it automatically switches internally to a lower gpm output, slowing the ram but increasing the capacity of the splitter. What it has essentially is a pair of pumps, one being a high flow low pressure pump and the other being a low flow high pressure pump. When the wedge or the pushblock meets the pre-determined point, internally the flow is switched from one pump to another. As soon as that force is no longer required, it switches back to the higher volume lower pressure pump. Make sense..?? That's how they are able to design a small splitter with a small horsepower motor that can develop 25 ton, 30 ton and higher.
We can easily increase the internal bypass of the control valve on this splitter to increase the splitting capacity, but I do not do that because of not wanting to overburden the beam or wedge. Consequently from time to time we engage a gnarly piece that seems to stall the splitter. I have developed my own technique of running this machine that results in what I feel is an acceptable level of operation and also seldom have a component failure. It's currently on the third lovejoy coupling in 45 years, the second control valve and a broken pipe fitting due to a stack of wood falling onto the hose side of the machine. A while back, I noticed a stress fracture finally forming on the weld at the base of the wedge. So I ground the weld down to parent metal and burned another double pass with 7018 low hydrogen rod.
Now I get viewers from time to time that suggest a 4 way wedge. Well, that's not going to be an adaption anytime soon. A 4 way creates a new wrinkle for the type of wood I mostly process. We do get some real nice straight grain oak, ash and hickory but for the most part we get knotty rounds created by branches or forks in trees from tree trimmers. There's a whole new set of stresses involved in splitting pieces like that with a four way. As a matter of fact, a single stage set up (IMO) is not suggested for that scenario. The whole thing about my channel is doing things economically as possible by recycling as many components as possible while building a project. I'd have to buy a new 28 gpm two stage pump for starters....then design either a hydraulically operated cross wedge that would lower out of sight and be adjustable for the different size rounds or a slip over 4 way that's easily removed. This has worked fine as it is for over 45 years and the thought of redesigning it now is not appealing. That, my friends, is THAT !! #farmlife, #oak, #farmall

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Комментарии : 61   
@jankotze1959
@jankotze1959 9 месяцев назад
Thanks Wendell, that splitter never fails to make a great video
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Well thank you Jan. I am trying how to make them interesting and not just the same repetitive splitting exercises but I can't figure out how to do that.
@gatorsworld
@gatorsworld 9 месяцев назад
That’s some good exercise just before breakfast and than the day starts.....CHEERS
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Hahahaha....yessir. Who needs a stinkin' membership at the YMCA when you have a wood pile, ain't that right !!? Have a great day Gator.
@fricknjeep
@fricknjeep 9 месяцев назад
hi there the old splitters just keep on going , well done , john
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Your's and mine both !! LOL. Have a great weekend John.
@richardjacques6370
@richardjacques6370 9 месяцев назад
Nice to watch you working. You are amazing I would never be able to keep up with you. You seem to be enjoying live and keeping busy and that’s always great to see.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Oh heck yeah man. Life is GREAT !! But I've always subscribed to the thought that life is what you make it too.Thanks Richard for stopping in and leaving a such a supportive comment !!
@redtractorsman
@redtractorsman 9 месяцев назад
I am glad to see a Massey man using a old Farmall!!!!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Hahahaha...spoken by a TRUE Farmall fan I see. LOL I gotta admit though that this old H has been doing quite well for me since I got it back up and running.
@tractortalkwithgary1271
@tractortalkwithgary1271 9 месяцев назад
I just did a video of the mods we did to my big box store splitter. It turned that very ordinary splitter into a very capable machine. I have never run into anything yet that my splitter won’t split. It either splits it or it cuts it, but with that 2nd stage, it makes small pieces out of big ones. I will be splitting some hard maple this fall. That can get a little gnarly. Thanks We dell
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Awesome Gary !! I'll go take a look and see what you did. A two stage is definitely beneficial for sure. The big worry is twisting a light non-reinforced beam with the twisted grarly burls going through the stress of the push. But if this pump ever wears out I will probably give serious consideration of a 28 gpm two stage pump to keep the ram speed up 95% of the time. Heck I only need the extra oomph 5% of the time. (by estimation). LOL. And I think my beam will handle the stress with the webbing reinforced with a 3/8 plate on both sides making it a 1 1/8" thick beam plus gussets.
@ricksmith-iw2op
@ricksmith-iw2op 9 месяцев назад
Nice job Wendell.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching Rick. Things went well even with the sore arm...
@1lilfarm
@1lilfarm 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for that explanation on the two stage. I never quite understood how that worked. 👍👍👍 I bet you wouldn't know anything about mudwrestling!!! 😏😏😏
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Hahahahaha....of course not !! Where would an old alter boy like me pick up that kind of information... LOL. The invention of the two stage pump was a godsend for the small splitter industry.
@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525
@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525 9 месяцев назад
I did not see any mud wrestling on your videos 🤣🤣. 51 John Deere B work. Our family bees from the 40s and you have to turn it over by hand. If you want to come and go into your audience and make it not for kids. Daniel have comments if that interests you.
@jeffmc7946
@jeffmc7946 9 месяцев назад
I know you prepared for a cold weather but let's hope you have plenty left for next year! Thanks for sharing!
@bluegrallis
@bluegrallis 9 месяцев назад
I heated with wood for 30 years and if I was splitting this time of year, it would be for next year or the year after more than likely. My "shed" held 2 years supply, so once one side is used up, I worked on filling it while I burned from the other side.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Oh heck yeah Jeff. This I'm splitting today is for the winter of 25/26 at the earliest. It'll depend on how severe the next couple winters are. Like right now we are still burning the last half of what SHOULD have been consumed last season. So we have to use that up before we even start on what was slated for this year.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
@@bluegrallis This three compartment shed hold three years when completely full. This is the very first year I hadn't been able to have it totally filled by this time of the year. But what is split today is for the winter of 25/26.
@akquilter3519
@akquilter3519 9 месяцев назад
That last piece was a doozie!! About as difficult as wrestling a bear. But you "got er done".
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Sometimes ya just gotta knock it off around the edges. The size isn't the big thing...its what's inside that makes 'em tough. Thanks for watching !!
@tractortalkwithgary1271
@tractortalkwithgary1271 9 месяцев назад
Good evening Wendell.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
I'm on my way to see your upgrades tight now. See ya over there at your place.
@tomfillmore9710
@tomfillmore9710 9 месяцев назад
Well that sucks with one hand on the bummer splitting is a hard enough job with two hands hopefully it gets better soon take care you and the misses have a great weekend
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Yeah, and its my throttle hand too !! I hate it when that happens Tom. LOL. Enjoy the weekend my friend.
@tonyjones9715
@tonyjones9715 9 месяцев назад
Thanks for another great video.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Well heck Tony, thanks for taking a few minutes out of your busy day to stop by and watch !! I know wood processing videos get to be boring, but I don't know how to make 'em exciting unless I'd cut off a finger or two with the splitter. )-:
@tonyjones9715
@tonyjones9715 9 месяцев назад
@@tractorman4461 My Dad and I used to cut firewood for a Living here in Alaska so I know how hard it is. I Grew up on a homestead. I have a really bad Back now can't do it anymore. I really injoy watching your videos.
@HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE
@HODGEPODGEDODGEGARAGE 9 месяцев назад
Sorry to hear about your wrist hurting Wendell 😔 I hope you get the feeling back soon. I can only imagine how bad that interferes with things. Stay safe my friend 🔧
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Well Zane, I hurt it back in the summer with the 660 Stihl on the Holzzforma 48" alaskan mill. I jerked a nerve under my forearm that's been tough to put behind me.
@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525
@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525 9 месяцев назад
​@@tractorman4461Ouch
@regsparkes6507
@regsparkes6507 9 месяцев назад
Good old splitter there Wendell. single stage pump too, still get's the job done. Regarding the wrist,, with that sprain or what the 'aliment' might be, it's kind of like a fuse in a panel, it lets you know when you have overloaded it, doesn't it? I feel that too. just watching throw those pieces up and over like this.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Well Reg, I think its a sign of impending old age or something !! It is unbelievable how I have difficulty with holding and throwing with just the right hand. It's slowed my process down considerably. But no biggie, eventually it should come back to normal...maybe this winter when I get some indoor shop time huh. LOL
@regsparkes6507
@regsparkes6507 9 месяцев назад
@@tractorman4461 The main thing is, I think, to keep going and doing things as you've always been doing. Well, it's what I try to do, like today fr example, my buddy and I are changing over our cars to winter ( snow and ice ) tires and wheels,... bet you don't have tp do that! LOL
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
@@regsparkes6507 Hahahaha...no I sure don't have to do that. Thank heaven !! I really am getting to where I dislike winter pretty badly. The circulation in my fingers must be getting bad because my hands get cold now. Years ago, my hands were never cold and I seldom wore gloves. Not so now. LOL. Old age ain't for sissies is it. Have a fun time changing over your cars.
@baroja5303
@baroja5303 9 месяцев назад
buen dispositivo
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Gracias mi amigo. Nos ha servido bien desde 1978 y está construido con materiales de desecho.
@gaspumprob
@gaspumprob 9 месяцев назад
That’s an amazing splitting machine! I could use that to split my oak . I have a small upright one I’m borrowing and it’s way to slow . We had two huge oak trees fall on our property and I have a huge load of oak to split. Thanks for sharing another interesting video.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Well, if you was a neighbor instead of 2/3's the way across the country from me, Id stop by and shoot the breeze with you and watch you split it all !! LOL Btw, I didn't think So Cal needed any heat....??!!
@gaspumprob
@gaspumprob 9 месяцев назад
@@tractorman4461 HaHa We need heat because the natural gas company has tripled the rates out here!!! It gets into the high twenties sometimes. Thanks for the friendly offer - if only we were neighbors I would take you up on your offer!!!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
@@gaspumprob Yes, LP gas has increased a bit, but it's not crazy high at all. And gas was $2.99 yesterday at one of the local stations.
@gaspumprob
@gaspumprob 9 месяцев назад
@@tractorman4461 Gasoline ⛽️ is over five dollars a gallon here still.
@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525
@CAROLDDISCOVER-FINDER2525 9 месяцев назад
​@@gaspumprobnatural gas prices are expensive here. But not like it is in your area. I'm really glad that you have something other than palm trees to burn for heat. 🤣. Neighbors would be nice.
@SK-tr9ii
@SK-tr9ii 9 месяцев назад
Those gnarly pieces can hold coals a long time...they might be work to split but they're worth it. I'm sure that's no secret to you.
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
Hot dang SK, you said a mouthful there. They sure DO hold the fire being so dense. But man were they hard to split by hand !! WOW. I don't miss that exercise at all. LOL
@jimconnor8274
@jimconnor8274 9 месяцев назад
You and John Clark @Fricknjeep slow those Young fellas with their high dollar splitter how to get RR done!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
I stop by John's channel from time to time. Now that old boy gets some stuff done I tell ya !! I LOVE those big circle mills he has and those Detroits are great sounding and smooth running power units for sure. I have a little '50's 3-71 that will go on my circle mill one of these days....I hope. LOL
@DIYMyWay
@DIYMyWay 8 месяцев назад
Hi Wendell! Sorry you have a hurt wrist! I know that must be frustrating for you to be slowed down by an injury. The ole’ wood splitter doesn’t take no for an answer, does it? Always fun to see it in action! Take care of that wrist!
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 8 месяцев назад
Yessir, that wrist/arm pain thing has been dealing me a fit now since the middle of summer or so Martin. I've managed to get in to a therapy program and they are telling me its a damaged nerve. So we will see what becomes of it. But it sure does put a cramp in the activities a bit. At least my therapist is a very nice lady.....and her hands are warm !! (-;
@mafarmtown2086
@mafarmtown2086 8 месяцев назад
@@tractorman4461you will be BUSTED if the Missus see that comment, JS! Lol
@Brockjn
@Brockjn 7 месяцев назад
Love the videos bud. I do have a question though as im deciding how to build my splitter. What gallons per minute is your single stage pump? Is it a pto pump or do you have it set up a different way? And likr my uncle used to tell me when id stack hay and he'd watch. Boy, work fascinates me and i could watch YOU do it all day. Haha :)
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 7 месяцев назад
Hahaha…cool uncle. Mine is a PTO driven 28 gpm single stage pump. Takes a few ponies to operate it. Not like a 28gpm two stage.
@rickburris6164
@rickburris6164 9 месяцев назад
Were you splitting them smaller to make them easier to throw?
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
No, not really Rick. I keep a variety of small to large pieces to make it easy for the Missus to keep the fires going. She doesn’t like the big ones because they’re kinda hard for her to handle. So she can put two or three to equal one of my bigger ones. Make sense ..??
@grizz2702
@grizz2702 9 месяцев назад
I've been thinking of putting a single stage on my 5 horse splitter but I'm afraid it ain't enough horse power ...what's your opinion? Cheers
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
What I'd consider instead Grizz is to come up with a pto mounted pump that mounts directly ON the pto shaft behind your Kubota. Then you can pull it behind the tractor and have plenty of power for the single stage pump as long as you don't go crazy with the pump displacement. I'd at least price them at Surplus Center. I don't recall the exact hp of your tractor but I'm pretty sure it'll handle a 16 gpm single stage pump. But if you try to pop the relief valve, it WILL kill the tractor just like THAT !! I'd say 250 bucks and a few hydraulic hoses will get ya working quick. Later you can convert it to a three point mounted splittler for even more versatility.
@catfish500mark9
@catfish500mark9 9 месяцев назад
☆☆☆☆☆
@tractorman4461
@tractorman4461 9 месяцев назад
And another one bites the dust...for a few days anyway then another one will be on the chopping blocks.
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