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Goalie Myths Busted - Does Certain Equipment Make You a Better Goalie? 

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Can certain Goalie Equipment instantly make you a Better Goalie? The NHL seems to think so! But does some goalie gear really help your game? Let's find out together!
Do you think specific Goalie Equipment makes you a better goalie? Let us all know in the Comments Below!
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@trav4oilers
@trav4oilers 4 года назад
TRUE skates, 2spro stick and G4 pads. Only pieces of gear I can say have made me a better goalie because they have highlighted an element of my game that much. Id say pro laces and buttendz as well if you wanna get down to accessories and how my butterfly is now with toe ties and puck handling cause of the Buttendz grips.
@zo3149
@zo3149 4 года назад
I recently bought Vaughn slr2 pads and the Vaughn’s bungee toe ties are my favorite ones I’ve had. They don’t move and just clip on like a keychain. Really cool
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Man, I need to get me some accessories!
@joshmikolas7434
@joshmikolas7434 4 года назад
2s pro pads tho 👀
@OWA_Wiffleball
@OWA_Wiffleball 4 года назад
trav4oilers I only watch u and vogoalie I am supprised to see u here
@fluxshifty860
@fluxshifty860 4 года назад
Hey trav I watch your channel
@goaltndr
@goaltndr 4 года назад
Having a custom-painted mask makes you feel cool, making you play better!! Full disclosure, I paint goalie masks. ;-)
@braydenpatton3007
@braydenpatton3007 4 года назад
Price???
@pinkfloyd9978
@pinkfloyd9978 4 года назад
Do you do them for anybody?
@beyondaercsx9457
@beyondaercsx9457 4 года назад
Don McClelland how much?
@taitsanchez3644
@taitsanchez3644 3 года назад
Yo! You did my helmet a while back! I love it!
@AJS-ow4zu
@AJS-ow4zu 3 года назад
@@beyondaercsx9457 Ive paid about 400-1000 dollars per, it varied for me, between the 4 helmets I have had painted.
@thomasgeronikos7752
@thomasgeronikos7752 4 года назад
As an “old goalie,” who played in the pre-synthetic equipment era, I appreciated your comparative analysis. The one comment that you made regarding the size of pads allowed by the rules was not exactly correct. As it has been awhile since I checked an old rule book, I remember the “Standard allowable width may not exceed 10inches.” The pads I used were John Brown Pro Customs. They were 31 inches high. Yes, the skate toe fit in between the pads. They were stuffed with deer hair, and never softened. The difference between today’s goalie and the “ancient goaltender was technique. Todays goalies go down too soon and give too much top shelf room when they do not have to. Also, too many of todays goalies even at the NHL level are locked into the stock of their sticks and lack the ability to use the full shaft for poke checking and stickhandling. I would have really appreciated using the Brown pads that you featured. The custom pros had no such inner pads and knee pockets, etc. The only addition were the additional pads added to the inside of each leg to protect the inner legs when making a “skate save.” These pads were extremely heavy. I do not remember how heavy they were, but at least 8 pounds each, before water absorption. I invite you to look at a picture of Ken Dryden and his physical profile when in full battle dress. He looks very minimally protected. Look at the goalies today, and you think the Pillsbury Doughboy is in net.(:
@thomasgeronikos7752
@thomasgeronikos7752 4 года назад
Thank you. I believe you are correct. If I remember correctly, pads could be no wider than 10 inches, and could not exceed 11 inches when broken in. I see we agree on the lack off proper technique by today’s goalies. An off-shoot of the “flopping Follies,” is many shooters are going down to one knee to get a better angle in close to lift the puck up over the goalie. i am extremely disappointed that now with goalies being on the ice, there is now the “Lacrosse shot” to embarrass them even more. Most announcers do not seem to know the difference in the finer points of technique to describe this. If the goalie was upright and covering the short-side, he would be in position and poised to take that shot away. The goalie could also at least try a stick check be fore the shooter gets the space to tuck it over and in. Did you ever check out the Howie Meeker book I referenced? Every goalie technique that Buddy Blom showed there would still be appropriate today.
@MultiPetercool
@MultiPetercool 2 года назад
Then there is the weight of the horse hair those leather pads were stuffed with! If you tried to fly butterfly style in 1970s pads you’d get tired very quickly.
@PeteNice29
@PeteNice29 2 года назад
I always see comments like this from people that are probably aging out of making a proper butterfly and/or refuse to look at new techniques and equipment. The fact is, the butterfly has been in the game pretty regularly since the late 80's, if not sooner. Of course today, the game is centered around that bottom third of the net -- but guess where most shots go. Watching training videos you'll quickly see that depth, angle and active hands address the entire net, not just one portion. The raw truth of the matter is, many heroes of the past would be 20 goal scorers facing the goalies and techniques used today. That might shatter your worldview a bit, but most guys then were winging it and today would never see a professional paycheck.
@coletender1695
@coletender1695 2 года назад
As a youth goalie I can block the net very well up high. I also do poke checks quite a bit and use the full length of the stick even though playing a newer style so old style can be implemented into certain things.
@devilsnetminder
@devilsnetminder 4 года назад
All of my equipment was from the late 90s/ early 00s after a hiatus in hockey. In the last two years, I have upgraded all my equipment except my helmet. This is what I have learned. New skates are lighter, taller and higher on the ankle. (CCM 652 to Bauer x700) Pads are lighter and smaller. And yes they are much more stable in the butterfly (Vaughn Vision to Reebok XLT) New pants are stiff, beefier and taller. (Brian's to CCM 1.9) C/A are just a little beefier (Itech 4.8 to CCM 1.9) Blocker and catcher are just a little smaller but more protective (Vaughn Vision to CCM for both.) I still rock my Eddy helmet. I have taken hard shots (including one that shattered my dangler) and it has never done me wrong. It could probably do with a new cage and padding though.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks for sharing! I had an Eddy back in the day too! Loved the shape of that shell!
@guywilde2783
@guywilde2783 3 года назад
Newer pads made a huge difference in my game! I went from pair of 36 +1 Reebok 5K, to a pair of Bauer Supreme 2S''s the past season. The Bauer make it a lot easier, almost too easy to slide across the crease. The first couple of games I was sliding almost out to the edge of the faceoff circle. They also make it extremely easy to cover the 5-hole when going down and on the ice in the butterfly. I even was scouted by another team and asked to play for them after coming off the ice from a particularly good game.
@theminnow6040
@theminnow6040 4 года назад
Most goalie gear you can just adapt to over time but I feel that I play better with more protective gear cuz I don’t flinch as much because I know the shot won’t sting
@HotBranch
@HotBranch 4 года назад
Excellent analysis. Knowing how much of a butterfly slider you are, I was feeling bad for you in the Brown pads. One thing I do remember from when the Brown pads first came out was the softness of the pad face; the intention was to dampen the puck so that you wouldn't give up much in terms of rebounds--your D was being trusted to keep crease invaders away, giving the goalie time to cover the puck after it hit the pads. Your point about smaller (narrower) gear providing better mobility hits the nail on the head. I remember being nervous when I switched from 12" pads to 11", but quickly realized that I was more nimble in the net and could move around quicker. The weight savings is another unintended consequence of the size reductions; fatigue plays less of a role late in a game than it used to, even if the goalies in the old spec gear were underrated physical beasts. Ultimately, gear is secondary to a goalie's ability to skate and know angles, depth, and read the play. Bigger gear might allow a good goalie to play a little deeper, but if they can't skate or read the developing play, any saves they make will be pure luck.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks for the always great insight! Great point about how defense and goalies work together in the d zone. All the more reason why skaters should watch videos about goaltending!
@ryana3679
@ryana3679 4 года назад
You can see that the 90s gear was built for skate work. Today’s pads are built for being on your knees a lot and moving around down low.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
I didn't mention this in the video, but I wore my old Bauer skates which have gone unsharpened for years! I really committed to the role!
@mynameisthehobbitl8956
@mynameisthehobbitl8956 4 года назад
Are you ever gonna do a full game video, or potentially just a highlight from a skate? I enjoyed the video where you did some commentary while in the crease.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks for the suggestion! Full games are on the list, but over the summer I'm only skating sporadically, so we'll see how things go! Thanks for asking!
@crazynova23
@crazynova23 4 года назад
I play with some goalies who players refer to as "the guy with the illegal pads." I also play with a guy who is huge and wears 42" pads. The equipment doesn't make him better, but his size definitely helps him cover the net more efficiently than my 5'9 frame and 33+2" pads.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Ha, thanks for sharing! I vaguely recall someone doing a pseudo scientific look at how the taller your pads are, the longer it takes to close your five hole... As a short goalie at least that's what I tell myself to make me feel faster!
@mykrrrr
@mykrrrr 4 года назад
42" pads??? Sweet Jesus...is this guy 7'6"???
@ryana3679
@ryana3679 4 года назад
Makes you wonder how Hasek did it.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Totally!
@petermontagnon4440
@petermontagnon4440 4 года назад
It was his unconventional style!!!
@gaikokuhito5574
@gaikokuhito5574 4 года назад
Understanding your gear. I played in 90`s and yes gear was completely different compared to today. But gear changed quickly as I remember horse hair Vaughn as my first set, similar to the Brown in middle and foam towards the end. I find the new gear too stiff and light. That also being said huge difference between intermediate, semi-pro and pro gear.
@petermontagnon4440
@petermontagnon4440 4 года назад
@@gaikokuhito5574 I have played from the 70s to 2018 and have had no problems readjusting to the newer equipment.
@gaikokuhito5574
@gaikokuhito5574 4 года назад
@@petermontagnon4440 I always had a hard time adjusting to new gear since small changes could make the difference between the way you held your stick, the openning angle of your catcher to the shooter, rebound control off of the gear etc... Even the same name/model of gear could feel different and respond differently.
@ryanwallace4686
@ryanwallace4686 4 года назад
Just getting back in the net after 22 years off. I wish I would have found this channel a year ago! So much has changed in the pads alone since 1996. Love this channel! Thanks for the info!
@hsnelgrove71
@hsnelgrove71 4 года назад
Wayne, as an older goalie I was really interested in this episode. Right from the beginning I was saying to myself, Wayne has to stack the pads... NICE JOB! I love it!
@coltc413
@coltc413 4 года назад
90s goalies would have been in killer shape wearing those pads all the time.
@rogerplayshockey7407
@rogerplayshockey7407 4 года назад
02:34 I'm 43 and those JBs are similar to what I wore in my teenage playing years. Those are definitely from the mid 90s and considered the Cadillac of the pad world at the time. Well, those and the Vaughn Legacy. Mind you, I wore Cooper pads, that were white, with my very first set, used from the late 80s, still being tan. My trapper and blocker were Victoraville. In other words, I was Old School by todays standards. I digress. My Coopers had deep leg channels, we wore them snug to avoid shifting. We didn't have "butterfly" then. We had sprawl and pad stack. Goalies today, the older equipment was made to last, but today made light and mobile. Good video.
@ChristopherKeelty
@ChristopherKeelty 4 года назад
LOL that full butterfly on every shot!! Playing in those old-school pads pretty much demands a half-butterfly, which is a move I think you rarely even see from pro goalies these days.
@IAMHOCKEY
@IAMHOCKEY 4 года назад
Hey Wayne, You provide awesome goalie content ! I am a 48 year old who played pickup hockey when I was young. I stopped playing for 20 years and I have now been back playing again for 5 years. 2 years ago I decided to try playing goalie. I was hooked and I love it. I play at Norway Savings Bank Arena in Auburn Maine. I have a youtube page and I post most of my league games.(Most via Live barn some GoPro) I love what you do with the Voice over and the GoPro setup. I would love to collaborate with you in some manner. There is nothing better then this game (except family) and I can't believe got away from it for so long ! Keep the videos coming and the more in-depth videos are totally awesome! PS I grew up in Attleboro!
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Awesome! Growing up south of Boston, you must've caught a lot of Whalers games!
@IAMHOCKEY
@IAMHOCKEY 4 года назад
@@VOGoalie Black and gold runs deep in Massachusetts :) . Growing up all I heard about was "The Big Bad Bruins" We were 100% Bruins fans in Attleboro. I did see one game in Hartford though . It was a great game against the Bruins!. I was a teenager. How about you, whats your favorite team, and who is your favorite goalie? Again Keep up the awesome work ! 3-3 tie tonight for me.
@smacinnes15
@smacinnes15 4 года назад
I'm starting to upgrade from all my old gear so I've been thinking about this a lot! So far the biggest performance booster imo has been comfort. No longer thinking my feet hurt or feeling unstable in skates that don't fit right. No longer fiddling my helmet or having to look around the bars of a cert cat eye with a new cheater. If you don't have to think about your gear you'll have a lot more energy to focus on the game and you'll get a lot more enjoyment out of it too
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Great point! The more comfortable you are in your gear, the more energy you can devote to the play and not fidgeting with out of place equipment (or in my case constantly thinking about creating content while playing!)
@smacinnes15
@smacinnes15 4 года назад
@@VOGoalie your content has helped me a lot so far! I got new skates in part because of your video on the most important piece of gear and bought a cheater cage since you wear it and I love it! I never thought about my gear much at all beforehand and you've taught me so much! 6 years in minor hockey, no mention of a skates attack angle and woah does it make a difference. Keep up the great work! You are totally awesome!
@ockiee23
@ockiee23 4 года назад
I’d have to say that the question is often stated incorrectly. Q) Can certain gear make you a better goalie? A) 98% of the time.. definitely not. But! When you change the question to Q)can certain gear IMPROVE your game? A) 100% yes. For example- If you can’t track a puck, then it doesn’t matter if you’re wearing a baseball catchers glove, or a $600 custom pro build goalie glove. Buying a better glove isn’t going to make you all of a sudden able to catch a puck. BUT! If you have a cheap glove and often catch stingers, maybe it affects you psychologically, and by switching to that “top of the line pro build” glove, maybe you gain more confidence, less fear in the back of your mind, causing you to flinch less and catch more puck you may have shy’d away from previously. When I switched from my bauer supreme pro’s to vapor 900’s I was incredibly disappointed. I couldn’t stop many shots I thought I should have. My game suffered. That was for many reasons. My Playing style and the learning curve mostly. I had to learn how to be more of a butterfly goalie and move on the ice. But when I switched from vapors to Brian’s Gen1 pros, even though a little older pad, my game went back up, and passed my previous. Now I had a flexible pad like I was more used to, with the butterfly and hybrid tech I needed
@Davidsvids
@Davidsvids 4 года назад
Great video Wayne! I went from my Vaughn Velocity first gen 7000's to a full set of V7 carbon and the change was very noticeable. Lighter, faster slides and the size of the knee landing pads help so much. Even the gloves, though smaller I seem to be able to move faster and feel that my catching glove is way more secure ( Though you and Trav have me thinking about Warrior gear now ;) ). I recently decided to change up the thigh boards for knee guards so we'll see how that goes, but I would love for you to make a video on knee guards...I couldn't find much out there when I was looking into what to buy and other goalies thoughts on what they used.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks for your comment and sharing your gear evolution! I'm actually currently rocking a set of PAW kneepads. Check out my recent video about them!
@tuxedocat416rodriguez9
@tuxedocat416rodriguez9 3 года назад
I dont know why but i love to watch this video over and over. Never gets old
@thirstfast1025
@thirstfast1025 4 года назад
Hmmmm, I'd have to say yes. Wearing some equipment makes me a better goalie..... LOL! Great video man! Loved watching you shuffle around on your knees! 😂
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Ha, now that would be a click bait video idea! Watch me play goal without wearing...
@cameronveno
@cameronveno 4 года назад
Hey Wayne, love the videos. Could you do a video about the best goalie masks to buy.
@johnnyrc9304
@johnnyrc9304 4 года назад
I learned to goalie in pads like those browns, and I can whole-heartedly say, modern gear TOTALLY helps. I thought I was in heaven in the late 90s when I got Louisville TPS Contours while playing club hockey in college. Even though they were still mostly old school, they were the start of supportive butterfly/hybrid. Also, way lighter and waterproof, so compared to my older Cooper Reactors, and Paul Thomsons before, the Contours were a huge leap above. Fast Forward to my Brian's and Warriors, there's absolutely zero comparison. (Gear Slut note- I had matching color Kolzig glove & Blocker to complete that set. Mad pimping for the day.) In old school pads, as you found, there was no butterfly push, it was all about quick up and T-push, or splits to cover ground (a' la Richter style). Love the vids, Cheers.
@jadenpater412
@jadenpater412 4 года назад
I believe that some people feel more comfortable in different gear which improve people’s attitude making them try harder and different gear can be made for different play styles making it easier to do thing or making you better
@abntemplar82
@abntemplar82 4 года назад
i still have all my 90's Vaughn 3500 series stuff, maybe i should pull it out and give it a revisit.
@Nicholas-ho8xj
@Nicholas-ho8xj Год назад
Great video. I've actually been looking for information on this topic for a while and haven't found much good info. The topic of New vs old school goalie pads. I'm 41 and started playing hockey at 5 years old, but I haven't been on the ice since about the age of 25. And when I stopped playing was right about the same time frame that goalie gear transitioned to the new style of equipment. So I have only ever played In the old style, wider and heavier pads. I haven't even been into a hockey shop and actually picked up and felt a pair of the newer style pads. So, my interest in the game has come back and I've been wanting to get back on the ice again. I have a pair of old school Brian's Alite Air Pac pads that were pro level pads back in the late 90s. But my question for you is, do you think I should get back on the ice using the old school pads I have, or would I do alot better to buy a new pair of pads and start fresh with a pair of lighter new style pads. I can think of advantages to both options and am not sure which is better. On one hand the older style pads are all I have ever known for playing goal so if I do have any form of muscle memory from my youth, the older pads would definitely be better, I was never a butterfly goalie. And I thought I might have a little advantage using an older style of play, making me something of an outlier and confusing shouters who have only ever faced goalie's who use new style pads. One of the biggest differences I've noticed between new era goaltending and how the position was played when I was playing is that goalies seem to go down to the ice on nearly every single shot. I was watching a video of every single goal Austin Mathews scored in his rookie year, and almost every goal he scored was upstairs. That got me thinking that because the new style pads are designed to make butterfly much easier for the goalie to go into, it's made goalies neglect the upper corners of the net. So playing old school stand up might actually benifit me. I know that there are a few "stand up" goalies around. But even they go down to there knees way way more than even the first of the Butterfly goalies like Ed Belfour or Felix Potvin. On the other hand I'm 41 and not in top shape, so I can see alot of advantages to buying a new pair of lighter pads and there are probably many other advantages to the new style pads that I wouldn't even know until I tried them. I was hoping maybe you could give me some advice on the topic since you have obviously used both the new and old style pads. I have found some information online from guys who are still using old school equipment. But they all seem to be old school purists and collectors of vintage equipment. Not much discussion about the differences between the two eras of pads. Any help on the topic is appreciated. Also I wanted to say great two pad stack save in the video and your glove save at about 7 mins into the video. It reminded me of the glove save Dominic Hashek made on Mario Lemiux when the Dominator was with Chicago, my all time favorite Save. And also you have a great "voice over" or narration voice, I wondered if you have ever heard that before or have done any sort of voice over work in your life.
@OldishGoalie
@OldishGoalie 4 года назад
I think whatever gear you are most comfortable in is what makes you the best goalie you can be. So, kinda. Great video Wayne!!
@SpikyDinosaurYouTube
@SpikyDinosaurYouTube 4 года назад
4:11 *epic recovery there*
@oceanshaker25
@oceanshaker25 4 года назад
Really great content. Just a few of my own thoughts. Your years of play and fundamentals absolutely took care of the first saves. It was really on the broken plays and rebounds where your muscle memory and your brain were telling you to play one way while your body was telling you it can't play that way. I think that is ultimately the risk even for those goalies that have multiple sets of gear that are slightly different. Those Browns were truly meant for drop, recover, transition (on your skates), set and drop again. This also worked because of the technical and technique limitations of the players overall. The sticks, their curves, their flexes and the technical specs of skates meant shots came differently than they do today. So I think you played a great game, I just kept saying under my breath "stop trying to backside push, pop up, read the play, transition and get set. Make the rebound a first save again" Great Job!
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks for your comment! You make some great points! Muscle memory is a powerful tool and I totally found myself instinctively trying to engage my skate! What was also interesting (that I didn't mention in the vid) is that I caught myself getting up on my "wrong" leg. And what I realized is that in the Brown pads, it was much harder to control my weight distribution and/or shift my weight from one knee to the other so it just seemed faster to get up with whichever skate was free. (Especially when rebounds were flying every which way!).
@treyrees9153
@treyrees9153 4 года назад
Only two goals in those pads?!?!? Kudos to you sir
@nates78
@nates78 4 года назад
Good stuff Wayne! I'm curious if your knees and ankles felt the pressure of having them "locked" to your pads, instead of all the elastic you have on your new gear. During your game footage it looked like most guys playing Roller, you just cant slide like you can on ice.
@robins5798
@robins5798 4 года назад
John Vanbiesbrouck and Jamie Storr wore those kind of pads in the late 90's and they were among the lighter pads of that era (I know because I tried them out myself but ultimately stuck with Heaton Helite 6 and Bauer Reactor 5 pads back in those years). The weight of the pads was never an issue for me or any other goalie I knew back then, but then of course, the game was different. I retired in 2005 when I was 24 which was right before goalie pads started to develop into what they are today.
@cannonshippy1028
@cannonshippy1028 4 года назад
I am in love with my Warrior G3 Chest protector. Stands up taller than my old Reebok, vaugn, or itech's at the shoulders. I pick up about an inch or two. Also love the H harness which allows easier movement for me (may be just me on that bit). Also love the concave paddle on the last few years of Bauer sticks I've been buying. Could be mental but I love the "deadening" effect when I'm paddle down reacting to one-timers sliding left and right.
@tridentyyz1031
@tridentyyz1031 4 года назад
Those Brown pads are lightweight. I used to wear Cooper GP95L all leather with Cooper's blocker and glove. The upper body equipment was smaller and provided more mobility. As for your Brown experience, if you had ventured away from butterfly and played more of a hybrid style, you would have been less tired and had better results.
@realityvsfantasy1929
@realityvsfantasy1929 3 года назад
For me, the most significant piece of equipment that changed my game was a pro Chesty. I went form an old abused Vaughn low level one and switched to a CCM Pro, and this made all the difference in confidence and stingers.
@physicskid
@physicskid 4 года назад
I never had the opportunity to play goal with the older brown style pads except for the old Road Warrior toy pads around the mid 90s from the local Toys 'R' Us which are nothing but to imitate the NHL. My first ever set of pads, which I still possess, is the Louisville TPS Xceed 32' which I purchased around 2003. Now my current set is the Louisville TPS Xceed II 32' pads, Xceed Blocker and Catcher which were purchased around around 2007. I certainly agree that weight of my pads probably could be impacting my efficiency of my games whenever I can play. I have put down on my bucket list to check out the local Pro Hockey Life and try and experience the newer equipment since my last major purchase. Thanks for the video!
@physicskid
@physicskid 4 года назад
Thanks for the extra heart. I just finished watching this video and from the bloopers I can see evidence that the heavier pads can impact the recovery time after a save or blooper. When I stop being lazy must get out and see what equipment line suits me best. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mqEuvdDslsw.html
@sachads5322
@sachads5322 2 года назад
New skates changed my game for sure. Figuring out paddle length and stick lie was also huge.
@yzerman8654
@yzerman8654 4 года назад
Updating your gear every 2-3 years is a must, IMO. As a former goalie and current goalie coach, I have learned that I need to stay up to date on how equipment works and feels if I'm going to be able to coach it.
@jonathanmathews9291
@jonathanmathews9291 4 года назад
I love this video im currently switching to a brand new set of pads from my old 90's style. The gained mobility is a life safer!
@sandratrachsel502
@sandratrachsel502 4 года назад
Sometimes yes
@scottbeard1156
@scottbeard1156 4 года назад
Wayne, I started to play a few months ago and I had to go cheap. I have a set of Bauer reactor 36 + 2 (I'm 6'2"), but not overweight at about 210. Nevertheless, learning the basic positions and shuffling has been difficult. I have gotten the hang of the backside edge push, but sometimes, if I don't get a perfect push, I don't get across the crease. I got the leg pads for $175 because as a beginner, I'm on a low budget. I guess it's rec league and it doesn't really matter, but I can't afford better gear, so I feel like it's my bauer s150 glove and blocker, with my bauer reactor 36 + 2 leg pads, or no hockey at all. I wonder if I'm hindering my ability to get better with these overweight pads. Personally I like the way they look, but I have had people say "Man these are heavy." I wonder if having to wear the heavy cumbersome pads now will actually help condition myself better so that when I get better pads it will be easier? I should send you some video of me playing. I started in April, but it has been a ton of fun. Do you still want newb goalie vids for your blog? Thanks!
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks for your comment! Think of your older pads like weight training! Did you know Jaromir Jagr would practice with a weighted vest? So when he was in games, he'd be that much faster! But conversely, if you're struggling with an aspect of a modern style, your pads might be hindering your learning. While great deals can be had in the used online world, you could always go the modding route to make the pads you have work better for you! But be advised... Once you mod your first piece of gear, you'll be modding everything else there after! While things like skate sharpening will affect your shuffling or pushing abilities, gear doesn't seriously impact basics like angles or positioning. Getting those fundamentals down now will make it easier to learn more advanced stuff as your skills grow! Good luck!
@ColonialUnited
@ColonialUnited 4 года назад
Goalie here. I 100% believe new equipment helps you. I'm a couple seasons into my ritual G4 and the ability to slide compared to my prior pads that are from 2006 is completely different. My ability to cover more ice is unhatched. Also, saucing with a composite stick is much easier because of the flex. Love the vids. Though. Keep it up and hope you bounce back soon.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Nice, I didn't even touch upon sticks so thanks for mentioning it!
@hckynrscnd8916
@hckynrscnd8916 4 года назад
So I have a perspective from a ref's and goalie's view. I recently switched from playing out for 15 years to playing net for the past year and half, so I'm definitely new but I think goalie gear matters. When it comes to size you want equipment that properly fits you. I started on a budget and didn't know what I was getting into but kept getting stuck in net as a spare goalie with random, sized equipment so I bought what I thought fit and was cheap. I then got advice from other goalies and realized my pads were too short, hence the shots to the knees and my chest protector was tight and a large junior. I geared up to taller pads and bought newer, large senior chest protector and can't believe the difference it makes. As a goalie, I can say an old, worn out glove is terrible for catching and is great for players looking for rebounds and I have seen this proven true in all the games I reffed. I swear the goalies at A-AAA level minor hockey teams are good, partially because of better gear. You never see a AA goalie with old equipment like you do in house-league.
@chrisvience9483
@chrisvience9483 4 года назад
Great video Wayne, I remember playing in the 90s with gear like that, would love to see if you could get a pair of the Vic’s that Lemelin and Barasso wore and compare.
@PeteNice29
@PeteNice29 2 года назад
I had a pair of those and actually, outside of the stupid deep leg channel, were pretty decent hybrids between the older-school stuff and the modern iteration. Butterflies were a bit weird and they asked to be strapped a bit tighter, but very serviceable.
@shaunnh2a585
@shaunnh2a585 4 года назад
Awesome experiment Wayne 🤘
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks Shaun!
@jessicademore6676
@jessicademore6676 2 года назад
Thanks you really help I always share this with my dad
@danatarbox6634
@danatarbox6634 4 года назад
Dude sweet glove save you made... looked like a full 90s goalie. The point of old gear to new gear and how we play is true. New gear allows us to be stable and mobile, while the old gear was bigger and you had to recover in a different way. I say the newer gear does give us goalies an advantage if we can change our game to the style it is designed for.
@itsatlasrising
@itsatlasrising 4 года назад
Been waiting for this one haha. Just curious, what do you get your skates sharpened at? Great video as always!
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
My normal cut is 5/16" but this skate I was wearing my old Bauers that hadn't been sharpened in a few years!
@rz_in_goal3892
@rz_in_goal3892 4 года назад
I used to play in some pretty beat up Bauer pads and just recently got CCM pads, and let me say, first game with them I seemed to play completely differently. Less open 5hole in butterfly, more confident and precise slides, quick movements and up/downs.
@obiesewheelchairkid
@obiesewheelchairkid 4 года назад
unless it's 20 years old, it all matters what your comfortable with, quick uses a pad from basically 2004 and he's in the chel. of course new cowingless skates and composite sticks will help but if your good, your good
@contu1
@contu1 4 года назад
Wayne, omg i thought you recorded me by mistake the way you played in those pads, LMAO!!! Except I go to make a save, fall over and sometimes make the save, lol...
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Ha! Thanks for your comment! Falling over was so natural in these pads! Felt like Grant Fuhr!
@jacobkennedy3925
@jacobkennedy3925 4 года назад
3 pieces of equipment that definitely made me a better goalie, especially as I'm getting older and my reflexes aren't starting to dwindle: 1) A second jock. You might laugh but one of the most monumental moments in my adult goaltending life was reading an article on InGoal Magazine's site listing out pro equipment and it was the first time I learned that most high level goalies where at least two jocks. Not being afraid of catching one in the chimes increased my confidence in dropping to butterfly in front of guys in close tenfold. 2) My Maletese throat guard. See above on confidence. I hated having a dangler but all previous throat guards were were either too bulky and interfered with my mask or non-protective. The Maltese changed all that. I don't need a dangler and I am not worried about any shots catching me in the collar bone (or an arrant skate). They're expensive but worth every penny (and you shouldn't grow out of them). 3) Knee pads. I've only been wearing these in the last year and a half since I switched to a true sliding pad. It's like dropping into cloud. Not to mention I've taken some direct hits in the knees and hardly even felt them. Plus I don't have to worry about my knee missing the landing zone when the play gets a little crazy.
@scottwallace33
@scottwallace33 4 года назад
I actually did this similar experiment last season. I normally have Reebok P4 but went out with my old Koho 590. Biggest factor I noticed was my inability to move side to side once I was down in the butterfly. It actually felt like the pads were sandpaper as soon as I went down.
@kyleallan4496
@kyleallan4496 4 года назад
As a young goalie myself, I can say for a fact that getting certain gear has made me better. From an age-of-gear standpoint, going from hand-me-down reebok p4's to bauer vapor 1x's with nothing in between has certainly improved my butterfly and slides, but from a point of view where pads are pads, nothing else, I don't think it would have made much difference if I got, say, brian's airpac (the newer model, of course). I do feel that most gear is relatively the same, just with some tweaks here and there. for instance, ccm's speedskin was very tempting, though i didnt like the way the pad was attached to my leg. there are pluses and minuses for every single piece of gear. having said that, some gear that i would like to have seem to have no apparent minuses, but once you get used to certain types of gear and play style, it can be hard to change those ways to adapt to the newer gear. I am only bantam first year, so i have a long way to go before i really understand weather or not certain gear makes you better, but i feel i summed it up pretty well.
@DavidRodriguez-jc8rh
@DavidRodriguez-jc8rh 2 года назад
I know this is an old video but i just returned to the ice after 15 years. I was used to Old Vaughn's from around 2000, TPS bionic globe and blocker and old CCM skates. I bought brand new CCM premier pads, new CCM skates with no cowling with 3mm blades that i didn't realize until after my first skate. Needless to say my first game was extremely awkward. After my second i was much more comfortable. Now i need to find some ice time to practice some of these new moves.
@TriceMendoza
@TriceMendoza 4 года назад
Started play goalie full Time around 2005 I was a forward before noticed when watching nhl on tv I always caught myself watching the goalie also our goalie we had wasn't to good so I used his stuff for a game to see. The next day I sold all my player gear lol 14 years later I still in joy playing but never got a handle on shooting the puck any way u can make a video on it that would be great
@filop4367
@filop4367 4 года назад
Wow ur side to side is fluid and effortless! 😁
@emac5738
@emac5738 4 года назад
I remember moving to the Felix Potvin KOHO combo and it was definitely helpful in bringing in 4 championships. Went from Cooper to Forrester to KOHO. Then after getting my first check for OHL , I bought some Vaughn’s , best ever.
@Nope99856
@Nope99856 3 года назад
Gear doesn’t necessarily make you a better tender but confidence in and comfort/familiarity with your gear absolutely without a doubt leads to better play. I quit playing for 13 years, the last set of pads i had before i quit were Louisville xhales which i sold. When i got back into it i bought brand new Brian Genetik Pro 2’s. Took a bit to get used to the way new pads are these days as well as knock 13 years of rust off, i even had to adjust my style of play. i didn’t like them for most of my first season back. But after getting used to and comfortable in them i love them.
@Fratta88
@Fratta88 4 года назад
Great vid Wayne keep it up
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks so much!
@erikscudder7155
@erikscudder7155 4 года назад
There’s also the psychological aspect of newer equipment. Better technology and materials are safer, lighter & disperse energy better. Wayne rightly discusses the predictability too. All of this creates a better mental landscape for the goalie and a since of confidence! I just started playing goal (LW since 5th grade) and goaltending is much more cerebral than I could’ve imagined!
@mikelow4374
@mikelow4374 4 года назад
Those Brown pads are sweet.. I used to dream of getting a set of Heaton Helite 3s.. As a goalie who recently went from old gear to new.. Maybe it won't make me better but should be faster with the weight savings (especially at the end of a game when pad are wet/heavier and I'm tired 😅) but mostly I feel more confident because I'm not worried about getting hit in unprotected areas 😅 One more thing.. Speaking of old pads and how wide they are, I would like to measure Arturs Irbe's old pads 😂😂 maybe 16 inches wide 😂
@biagiol303
@biagiol303 4 года назад
great vid Wayne
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks so much!
@TheJasonBigdaddy
@TheJasonBigdaddy 4 года назад
Great vid Wayne! I am still hoping i can get on the ice and learn how to be a goalie. Still dreaming lol
@hazel7256
@hazel7256 4 года назад
I’m a defence and my best buddy just started goalie and I think goalie stuff is big for a reason.
@blues3531
@blues3531 4 года назад
modern pads with more open knees and modern strapping definitely makes butterfly easier. Going from first gen Vaughn Ventus to the second gen SLR pro carbon leg pads, the rrc strap helps you drop so much easier with it and the boot strap being the only thing that really anchors the pad to your leg.
@sandratrachsel502
@sandratrachsel502 4 года назад
Cool vid
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks and thanks for your comments!
@holidayyy
@holidayyy 4 года назад
Hahaha those guys running into each other at 7:05
@teederbialy4540
@teederbialy4540 4 года назад
Just dug out my Elite JB291s circa 1998. See Glen Healy with the Leafs for an example. Makes me think yours are from about 2000. Basically the last of the old spec. Mine have less padding in the landing area and 2 boot straps. In those days if you made a butterfly save, you got back to your feet as soon as possible before moving to your next position. The butterfly was a save selection, not a stance.
@VTPyzon
@VTPyzon 4 года назад
Sounds more like you proved it true that gear matters, rather than busting the myth. As a goalie who started in the 70's I can definitely say the gear I wear today is by far the best I have ever worn and makes it possible for me to play better than I could if I was still wearing my old gear. Players have benefited too, though. Just look at the sticks they are using today vs yesterday. The game evolves along with the gear. Keep up the good work Wayne!
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Thanks for your comment! Great point about how everything evolves together! Makes me realize that those guys who had cannons with wooden stick really must've terrorized goalies back then!
@stuligan
@stuligan 4 года назад
I think it goes deeper than old vs modern equipment though with the difference in stiff and flexible modern equipment. For example, when we play pickup, the other goalie and I are completely different in play style and equipment, yet see similar results. He's played his whole life and was properly coached, so he has solid positional butterfly style and has stiff pads to suit. Whereas, I picked it up a few years ago in my early 20s and never had any proper coaching. I am however more flexible and athletic than he is and therefore use equipment with more flex in them. Two completely different styles to do the same job with same results. There could be someone getting frustrated with the game because they're an athletic goalie using stiff pads, or vice versa. It may work for some, but I find stiff pads that don't flex limit my movements. On the flip side, when I started I had old Vaughn V2's because they're all I could afford, when I switched to the modern Warrior GT's my game went to the next level. I was being held back by antique equipment, as you explained in this video.
@bfish9700
@bfish9700 4 года назад
I didn't notice a downgrade from 12 to 11 pads, about 10 years ago I was using sherwood cerberus 10's, they were great at the time but any senior pad now is better than pro pads then. We (goalies) just werent as mobile in the crease back then so the style has adapted. I do kinda miss the bigger gloves though.
@GREENneonDRIVER
@GREENneonDRIVER 4 года назад
Those pads weren't meant for full butterfly goalies. Movements were more precise and you would make a lot of saves with your foot turned out (why older goalie skates had that big plastic shield on the inside of each skate). Also a goalie needed massive legs to move. Only way you could get any speed out of them. Lots of up and down.
@chiefa4451
@chiefa4451 4 года назад
My roller club actually has a set of CCM Heaton pads that I played in for a while. I think modern kit makes you a better goalie playing modern style, I definitely have an easier time doing butterfly in my Vapors than those. And considering that the Heatons were 34" while my vapors are Intermediate large, they were very akward to move in, and the weight effect is definitely a thing. Except with sticks, heavy sticks all the way, they have more weight behind them and don't get knocked aside as easily.
@tapiopukkila6265
@tapiopukkila6265 8 месяцев назад
I know the brst goalie equipment that made me a better goalie. Everything that covered me more catching/stopping a shot and reduced the amount of pain helped a lot. I as a goalie your job is to stop going over the line and the 2nd job is to give hell to the opposite team players.
@HockeyGoon98
@HockeyGoon98 4 года назад
Man you got an amazing voice
@raider3164
@raider3164 4 года назад
That's why I was so terrible as a kid and teen being a goalie. I didn't realize how hindering the old scoo pads where. I got the new rbk style and my game jumped from crappy to pretty decent. Sliding was easier and way lighter in the rbks
@beezer5623
@beezer5623 4 года назад
I'd have to double check, haven't played net in a looooooong time lol, but i had those or the Elites. Can't remember. But i never tightened all the straps, only like the bottom 2. I ran the bottom most strap under the back channel of my skate and tightened that one along with the next strap up
@gerryattrik4410
@gerryattrik4410 4 года назад
You have an awesome voice
@djk0811
@djk0811 4 года назад
i remember my old coopers -- by the end of the third they gained about 20 pounds of water weight - ugh!!! I might also be one of the only goalies here that had the old school jason mask. I got new gear in 2018 from my pro-shop in Alaska. When I checked in to the airport, the Warrior leg pads, CCM Chestie and pants along with Vaughn blocker and glove weighed in at 22 pounds. Skating lite was a little nervy but got used to it. Confidence breeds success between the pipes. If you look good and feel good, you will most likely play good.
@mikekool5986
@mikekool5986 4 года назад
It's a confidence thing also in my opinion
@goaltndr
@goaltndr 4 года назад
Yep, welcome back the T-push. Having 90s pd for so long is why I have a suck butterfly slide. I still want to get up to move.
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Ha! Yeah, I caught on to that towards the end of the skate! I'll tell you what, after years of working on driving my knees down into the butterfly, I could not for the life of me turn my skates out to make a skate save!
@kahnadah
@kahnadah 4 года назад
When I got my Aeroflex pads I noticed I was faster when I was moving side to side and getting up and going down. They were about .5 or so pounds lighter than my Cooper Reactors.
@AJS-ow4zu
@AJS-ow4zu 3 года назад
gotta put wax on the... sliding side/pads? idk what to call it but i have to do it whenever I break out my old Heatons in order to slide without rolling an ankle xD I use snowboard/ski wax.
@AJS-ow4zu
@AJS-ow4zu 3 года назад
stick wax also works
@matthewcs8061
@matthewcs8061 4 года назад
What colour is your goalie pads mine are yellow and blue
@Krow5150
@Krow5150 4 года назад
LOL.....Sweet 90's save!!! 😂🤣
@Mougli_
@Mougli_ 4 года назад
I have Pallas spyder pads from 1999-2003 and they're working great in game's
@theminnow6040
@theminnow6040 4 года назад
4:23 idk if you’ve ever played roller hockey as a goalie but it looks a lot like this
@silversword4849
@silversword4849 4 года назад
I think it’s more the weight of the gear in the style you like that will determine what gear suits you best
@ejf0255
@ejf0255 4 года назад
Just played my first game in New England... Boston Bruins place is awesome.
@JYAGoalie
@JYAGoalie 4 года назад
Ha must of been wild playing in those pads! Makes me wonder what pads are going to look like 20 years in the future. in 2040 will I be saying "how in the world did I ever play in 2019?" lol
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Totally! Playing in pads that are older than most of my subs was surreal! You'd have found it hilarious! I actually think we've live through the biggest changes in goalie pads. Barring any new NHL mandated changes (which trickle down to all of us) I can't envision how much more pads can change. (But then again Warrior hasn't invited me to their shop so who knows what the future holds!)
@conorreidy25
@conorreidy25 4 года назад
I’m a skater but I want to play goalie I think the thing that affects how a goalie plays is the length of the lace that you tie around your skate
@saulgoodman3858
@saulgoodman3858 4 года назад
I think all that matters is that you wear the equipment that fits your body and your style. It does not matter if the gear is old or new get what works for you!!
@mikejones3rfs
@mikejones3rfs 2 года назад
I have john brown 287 pads. They have landing gear and modern knee cradles.
@larceny3092
@larceny3092 4 года назад
Better protection in old pad good find Fuhr and bezzer used those pada
@VOGoalie
@VOGoalie 4 года назад
Two of my favs! Thanks for your comments!
@funtemple
@funtemple 3 года назад
7:00 that guy was bowing to VOGoalie
@johndoe-zk1yu
@johndoe-zk1yu 4 года назад
The thing is that you played one game with the "old school" gear. You were trying to play like you were using today's gear. The basic fundamentals have not changed, the old school was "stand up" you stayed on your skates as long as you could. For example, covering behind the goal line skate and leg were against the post with stick on the ice and you would slide across the crease on your feet. also, I think that playing the angles may have been more important with the old gear. I think with time you could get used to the old school gear. I think that if the gear had gotten lighter when I played I would have played longer.
@ryana3679
@ryana3679 4 года назад
What’s the surface area of the pads?
@luvslogistics1725
@luvslogistics1725 3 года назад
Yes, today’s pads are lighter, slide better. I played in 90s when pads would get waterlogged. To shed weight I used player pants, lighter full cage helmet (better vision) but dangerous, and older chest protector that didn’t protect. What it did was make more athletic or agile...I stayed on my feet and skated and used trapper to catch all pucks or blocker to deflect; was less of a blocking goalie. I also didn’t drop to knees unless I needed to reach with my legs to make a save.
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