👍🏻👍🏻 I agree. New God Of Wars are not God Of War games. They just have the name tied to them, and are very misleading. Because when i bought “GOW” 2018 i thought that i would get a GOW game. But instead what i got was a Dad Of War. Combat was totally different, no jump button, bosses were nowhere near as good as the previous ones, story was garbage etc etc. I thought ascension wasn’t good, but these new games are far worse. I mean they aren’t even God Of War games. Now try to explain it to a buffoon like this guy making the video. I bet he wasn’t even born when the first GOW came out.
Lmao yea he’s definitely bitter that’s why he said he liked GOW 2018, what are you saying. If the literal creator can’t criticize what his creation has become what’s the point.
We get what he is trying to say, and he is technically right. But he is using Kratos as an example. Which is the most unfitting example possible because being a father and family man who had lost everything is literally who Kratos was in the old games. The first game literally starts with him trying to committ suicide for crying out loud.
@@Morten_Storvik so? For god sake man, even for me who enjoys the new god of war games I still think the original creators vision on the character is the most important here, yes new Kratos is good (sorta, imo) but it doesnt fit him that much as it did back then.
@@FatherStomach " So"? *SO* ?? The first seconds of the first game literally debunks what David says. It is literally what the character is about from the very beginning. Kratos has always been a father and family man who is struggling, has a soft side and has always been ashamed of what he had become. And the original creator is trying to claim this is not Kratos? Kratos is called "Ghost Of Sparta" because the ashes of his old family is fused to his skin. David`s vision is not exactly relevant when he ignores the core of his own character.
20 something God of War fans when Kratos has actual development (they just wanna see a rageful person because they can't move on from the previous GOW games because it "built their childhood)
the old fans and new fans like kratos if you dont believe me go and see how popular God of War is now you think the new generation make that game popular? if you think yes check your brain because if that is true why every movie or game that the old generation dont like dont sell well. before this new generation there are two generation behind them so number really talk.
Subbed, GOW is a fantastic series, and the creator isn't the brightest saying he doesn't likr thr development of his character, though it's the natural continuation of it...brilliant statement there...🤦🏾♂️
Kratos no matter the past or the present.. He always care about his family, that's why he was furious and start killing the gods because they made him killed his wife n daughter... Now he got the new chance again to built family
Lol your putting normality on Kratos who is not a human and never will be normal he will always be The God of War, you can’t settle down like this is the sims 😂.
I feel like people get mad that Kratos changes because they love the old games so much, like i loved the old games with all my heart, but of COURSE Kratos is changing. that's the point. he is much older and calmer, but is being forced into that role of god of war, its a beautiful story, and stories must change or they WILL get boring. You can say "but watching him be old is boring!" okay, but if they kept it the exact same in each game, you would get bored of that too.
But the whole point of him is that he is supposed to be an unrelatable cold killer not a dad of war, but hey his lil shit is gone so maybe we can go back to him being the God of war once again.
@@whereami7586was only a cold merciless killer cause he was blinded by revenge after killing basically every God in Greece what would be the point in him staying that way????
Originally! kratos was gonna go to each pantheon slay the gods at each one. in then eventually turning into one of four the wise men in the biblical since "I think" so he was gonna make continuously angry and killing until it was scraped
And thank god it was because that was too dumb and unjustifiable. In ragnarock Kratos said he would ONLY be like thar if odin gives him a reason and hurt Atreus. So as long Kratos have no reason there no need to go genocidal against pantheons thats just too arcady and unprofessional from a writer
Thank you for talking about his motives in the Greek games. Yes, they were hack and slash adventures, but there was always a reason behind the brutality. Without that driving motivation he just wanted to be left alone, which is where we picked up in 2018. We had 5 great games and 1 other game giving us that same hack and slash formula. The Norse games were a welcome change, and a logical continuation of Kratos as a character. And I'm saying that as someone who has played these games since the original demo disc. For those people who wanted more of the brutal rage monster ripping heads off gods, frankly I think that says more about them than anything. The Norse games had their flaws, sure, but overall I'm completely satisfied if this is the end of Kratos's story.
I think its the three possibilities you suggested combined. It's so weird seeing the creator of the character beeing this simple minded, this has to be about some real world issues he has with sony/santa monica
he is in fact salty . this is not the first time it happen , every time a creator see his successors make a better more successful story they get salty . reason the writer of witcher was too fast calling witcher games as fan fiction and later with the tv serie too . he believe his books are the best but his books are only as good as witcher 1 game . his prose is even considered bad by so many to a point his fans just blame the translation to defend his story telling ways .
He isn't salty, he's moved on. He is the creator of the character and he's more than earned a right to an opinion. He knows the character far more than you ever will
@@hotcoldman77Sorry , he is salty. he wouldn't have immediately made a buzz about it right after valhala's release . Why ? Because valhala show the newer kratos as better than the old kratos and even make the new kratos scold the old and feel ashamed by him . Worse. The old kratos doesn't defend himself. That was a clear balistic missile from Balrog that got him triggered and provoked and can be seen as ( my Kratos is better than yours) and he reacted by stating that the new is soft and weak. He was triggered. Fun fact , Kratos was never soft in ragnarok but in gow4 . He was too disciplined in ragnarock and showed glimps of his old powers and threatened to use them . Everything he said fit with 4 yet he insist the problem is ragnarock Also i knew you would end your comment with a provocation too because i know you are defending him using bias not facts . You are a fanboy talking without using any logic
@@LauftFafa Lmaooo just so you know, I prefer the newer games or at least Kratos in the newer games. I agree with your point but I also see and understand where Jaffe is coming from. I don't even think his issue is with only Kratos per se but the overall direction of the series. While I absolutely loved Ragnarok, I understand the folks who complained about the "Marvel-esque" tone and I think that's Jaffe's whole sentiment. Plus he's the creator of the franchise, I'll always respect his viewpoint even if he may be an old, bitter, jaded out of touch man these days lol
@@hotcoldman77 we do agree then . i did notice the marvel tone too but i guess it didnt bother me much . maybe he was way too socializing in ragnarock but he was pushed to live under a same roof as many others and share dinner table with them so i understand the logic . at least he stayed loyal to his personality being silent and distant . i think what surprised me most is the fact he do like mimir lot and did panic when mimir was about to die . he also liked broke too and respected his frank words and skills more than sindri who always seemed to bother kratos
the climax of the original trilogy was him forgiving himself and accepting the power of hope, then giving up his power and dying as penance for his crimes. did the creator forget that lmao
@3:15 Not seeing where Jaffe is coming from in wanting Kratos to stick to his original nature while having a wall covered in Marvel comic book characters (a franchise known for creating linear "one-dimensional" characters that rarely if ever 180 on source material, generating billions of dollars in the process and have been doing such since Marvel's inception back in the late 1930s) is definitely ironic to say the least. And the whole argument that Kratos is a family guy because he sought revenge is off to me. I think him wanting revenge for being tricked (about being ridded of his traumatic nightmares) is more so about vengeance and holding the gods accountable along with his bloodlust, than it ever was about him being truly family oriented. How much time are you spending away from your family, wiping out other villages, serving under Ares, that you don't immediately recognize them as you're slaughtering them? It's either a major plot hole or the writers were clearly conveying that Kratos was never that absorbed in family at all.
True, the original trilogy does have character development. To be honest after GOW3 the series got stale, i remember GOD Ascension wasn’t critically loved because it was the same game and i think that’s why the 2018 version changed it up.
You don't know what character development is then . As a writer and expert in character psychology and worldbuilding i can write you over 30 entries about kratos's new character depths . I only need 5 entries to describe the old who was literally driven by 2 things while the new kratos was driven by soo many things
@@checuevas93 well it is good for me and for anyone who doesnt allow nostalgia to hinder his experience with the newer games. we move on instead of wishing the same old things . 6 games was enough
@@LauftFafawtf are you talking about you do realize Kratos was literally a genocidial psychopath who used to kill innocent people for health. Changing a character entire personality is not “character development” it’s bad writing.
@@Ma1q444 then you dont know about writing . its called redemption arks and i can list you a whole bunch of characters who did change to best . you are just being manipulated by your sorry feelings for TC , this guy and your own nostalgia to a point you quickly develop hate . if you consider Kratos's feeling of guilt for killing the boatman for example as bad writing , then yeah you are certainly a casual of the lowest kind sad to be you . no need to reply i am not interested to speak with casuals . you are talking to a psychology expert and a writer who knows how a character can feel think and change . you clearly dont .
So his problem with the new Kratos is that he isn’t murdering people? I keep seeing that has the only argument for why the new GOW games are bad, yet most of it has barely any evidence. You are right in that he took revenge on the gods for tricking him into murdering his own child in the original game, and now he in the new games he has a chance to be a father again. 2018 and onward version of Kratos has seen the damage he can do and doesn’t want to be a monster anymore because it only got him so far and only caused him more rage, so that makes him a bad character? He wants to learn to become a better god then what he was and understands better than anyone the responsibility of being one so that makes him a bad character? Pardon my rude words here, Is that really the only argument you all can make? You all a hack’n’Slash game that is fine just go play the original games and ignore the new ones, it’s art you can do that but don’t trash on something because it isn’t what you grew up with. Plenty of people love the new games and love the new Kratos for trying to be better father, Person, and a God. Thank you for reading and have a wonderful day
@@whereami7586 the character outgrew him, plus he only had directive role in 1 fucking game LoL the all point of Kratos in the old games is vengeance for the death of his family and yet he says he doesn't give a fuck about family wtf? This guy doesn't know his own character lol
@@DDFF-qn8icLoL the all point of Kratos in the old games is vengeance for the death of his family and yet he says he doesn't give a fuck about family wtf? This guy doesn't know his own character lol
Guy sees the man say i don't like the dericton my charater is going it's starting not to fell like kratos from the 2nd entry onward. This guy likes kratos new develment says the creator does not under stand this character and he's saying kratos can't grow as a person? Are u deaf bro he does not have that big of a problem new kratos.argu with my point the new games are not that intesting and the gods in 2 are not close to being as cool as they used to be there like modern people inserting them self into god of war (expt- thor he's goated)
It's like reverse TLOU2 situation hehe When ONE of creators (Neil) also doesn't understood his 1st game; like real reason why character like Joel is MVP so he crate unrealistic solutions to vaccine situation/lying/creating uninteresting characters/making dumb decisions like 2nd character having change of hart because of "dream" and many others mistakes (in the 1st game Joel know that FF were in wrong by his instincts and morality "yeah keep that BS to yourself" - to Marlene but in 2nd game by lack of Bruce S.; Neil use Joel as a tool and change things like: he regret it and the game showing it like 99% of time and then in the last section of Ellie that he don't and he's drinking coffee and say I would do it again xD and he didn't present full story from A (Ellie drowning) to Z (FF decided to "have operation that would kill her without her "waking up first/make decision/say goodbye option + they say that they wanted to kill me if I do something + that's why I lied to you Ellie) how he killed FF to Ellie or even his brother [only the "worst" parts of it] - Neil use him as plot for TLOU2 but he fails) xD compere this to Kratos he isn't like Joel in 2nd game - he knows exactly who he is and decided what he want to be... by the logic of Jeff; in shortcut: Kratos is only a tool and god destroyer xD I'm glad that CB took the development and risk it all; he made good decision and because of that now we can have other mythology in GoW and that is still our Kratos; after Valhalla he accept all his mistakes in life and that's beautiful development if you ask me hehe pretty sad that Jeff wanted Kratos to be only old himself hehe good that he is not involved in new GoW because after listening what he thinks he probably would F*up GoW games. (like Neil did wht TLOU2) or at least made them average like GoW:A... xD
Dude is jealous and out of touch!! This is worst take I have ever heard, story teller: “I DONT WANT CHARACTERS TO GROW”, what?!, how is this guy the maker of Kratos!! Does he know how stories work?!, this is unbelievable!!
The proff is in the what? his kratos is why this kratos is so lucrative If they made a new god of war then and probably now and kratos was more like his old self it whould be just as popular maby more
Him talking about how Spider-Man doesn’t lose what makes him unique with his development is dumb because Kratos hasn’t lost his main traits either. He’s still a raging selfish piece of S. Now he’s realizing some of it and trying to avoid it. In 2018 he values his privacy over his son until he sees it happen and is an A hole to Freya when he finds out she is a god. In Ragnarok Kratos would willingly go back to his old self if he can’t keep Atreus safe. In both games he doesn’t want to do a lot of side quests to help people. In 2018 he bargains for rewards from Brok and Sindry and if he sees an undead character in either game “F EM.” The others have to convince him to help.
Imagine buying a game called "God of War" and you the so called god of war is a pacifist who just wanna raise is son in peace so he can be a kind little boy 😑
this a lie the only person who is mad is the original creator of kratos the old fans and new fans like kratos if you dont believe me go and see how popular God of War is now you think the new generation make that game popular? if you think yes check your brain because if that is true why every movie or game that the old generation dont like dont sell well. before this new generation there are two generation behind them so number really talk.
This is why Sony wanted Cory Barlog back rather than David. For God Of War 2018. Everyone who has ever had a debate with this guy about anything, be it games or anything else, can quickly see how this guy used to be smarter back in 2005. To put it bluntly.... he is an idiot. The only part i didn't like about Ragnarök was the force Atreus sections. But only because he is so weak and they put almost no effort into customizing him even a little bit like Kratos. And for Gods sake.... why is he using his bow as a blunt weapon in close range? The kid literally has a knife. But honestly man David's vision for Kratos was nothing special. He wanted a generic angry bloodthirsty guy with some tragic backstory, but otherwise not much depth to him. It was only when other directors and writers started rolling into the sequels and prequels where Kratos started to get some depth.
Im sorry but having you young kids come up and act as if you know more then the actual creator who has been doing it for decades is astonishing. I understand u kids want to change everything and self insert but these characters have guidelines u need to follow because they are not supposed to be self-inserts. I like new god of war but agree with Jaffee kratos is the angry god killer. If u take away the angry god killer then who is kratos? The next game is what a cool and calm kratos baking?
I feel like bro is one of those gamergate dudes whos mad about "feminism ruining games!!!1!" and hes just bullshitting reasons why he doesnt like the games.
I felt the same way, (about ragnarok) kratos did a bunch of horrible things in his past including killing his own family, you go the whole game killing countless monsters in horrible ways but then a cutscene comes in to a major fight and kratos just turns into a mentally hill character, it's simply not logical, kratos should be fine with killing anyone as long has he has a good reason to do so but they simply let mimir and kratos panic in major events. You can't show me kratos being a badass mf and right after show me him being scared of being called a monster.
You nailed bud. People in the comment section look at us sometimes like if we're crazy. Leave kratos alone! Nobody give s a hoot about, " Hes a dad now". In some scenes in ragnorok i felt the exact same way. They were not letting him be a fucking spartan.
:Athena: "There's nowhere you can hide, Spartan. Put as much distance between you and the truth as you want, it changes nothing. Pretend to be everything you are not: teacher, husband, father. But there is one unavoidable truth you will never escape: You cannot change. You will always be a monster" Kratos: " i know" Odin and fates and thor remind him of his past . Kratos doesn't flinch . Tyr ask kratos about if he feel regret of killing helios and plunging greece into darkness . Kratos show no regret and state he knew it would happen but still did it . There is much more and more examples . So let me ask you this ? WTF are you talking about ? The ONLY time both kratos and mimir did panic was in the cage scene when mimir begged kratos to save him . Notice when they both were falling Kratos didn't flinch or anything . The only other time Kratos panicked was because of Atreus . So again , WTF are you talking about ?
@@mr.g4272 because he had no reason to be a spartan . Do you even understand story telling and basic character thinking ? Kratos gave odin an ultim atum . Touch atreus and i will be the god of war you heard of . Kratos had no reason to wage war but he decided to do it after all after broke died . In valhala kratos didn't show single regret of what he did to greece. He only only showed the same weakness and regret he had always about his pact with Ares . You peoples are too shallow i suggest to stay away from worldbuilding , characters building and story telling . You are 2 dimensional fans who never understand
@@LauftFafa Everything you just said might be true but the problem is that all of that is simply vaguely mentioned, those never get translated into actual story telling or actions.
Honestly I don’t see why this is a complaint by some people if they kept him the same way throughout all the games everyone would say it’s boring but then when they try something new in these 2 games everyone says it’s boring or bad. Kratos has gone soft. Can’t please people sometimes 😂
LoL the all point of Kratos in the old games is vengeance for the death of his family and yet he says he doesn't give a fuck about family wtf? This guy doesn't know his own character lol
@@STOPTHECLOWNS581 you fail to see my point, kratos loved his family, saying he didn't give a fuck about it and go to such extremes to abenge them is stupid, turn on yout brain clown, and do everyone a favour and stop yourself next time you want to say something stupid, that would be "FrEAkiNg aWesoME"🤓🤓🤓
I don't get how he enjoyed 2018 but didn't like Ragnarok. Also, he just wants God of War to be killing gods and bonking women. I feel like he tries to be contrary for the sake of it.
2:39 you completely misrepresent his point here to fit your agenda, also GOW entire premise can be around revenge that doesn’t mean the trilogy is about being a father lol. The trilogy was never about being a father. JAFFE never said he is against character development you are misinterpreting what he is saying to fit what your argument, he just doesn’t agree with the direction and how Kratos developed because it makes no sense. Let me put this in perspective, imagine if a serial killer stops killing and now has a son and says I’m a good person now without atoning for anyone of his horrible actions. You would think he still needs jail and maybe death penalty. But for some reason with Kratos all is forgiven and now he’s a good person. This isn’t the only issue with the new games in the first place this is only one issue.
Honestly i can't blame him for not liking the direction of Kratos. Honestly think about it. With the the direction it's going what will the next gow be ? Hes either gonna die or just leave and we'll have to play Atreus because he " retired" from killing gods
Lots of us agree with David. WE DONT CARE ABOUT " CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT" Glad im not the only one that doesn't agree with what santa monica is taking kratos. Heck there was even some scenes in there where i was like, " Okay". Im referring to ragnorok.
I don't really agree with him but I see where he's coming from and honestly, I wished they stopped at GOW3. Kratos was supposed to be dead after he stabbed himself with the blade of olympus. They only had the PS4 GOW because they retconned it. I'm not saying the newer ones are bad or that Kratos is bad. I'm saying I liked the story better when he died at the end of 3 instead of ret conning him so they can have more games. Plus newer the GOW games have the problem as alot of other modern games. It's closer to a movie. Majority of it is the walk and talk bullshit and we all know the only reason those games did so well is because it's called God of War and gamers will buy any slop provided it has the right title. Proof of that is the fact that EA, Blizzard, Ubisoft, and Bethesda are still in business. Diablo 4 sold over 10 million copies and made over $1 billion. The game is dogshit. Starfield sold 12 million. The game is so bad that modders dropped it because they hated it. Assassin's Creed is essentially a franchise of the same game with diffenert skins and gimmicks. Farcry is always the same game with a different map. Any Blizzard game is gonna have monetization that's so predatory that Blizzard is probably on par with EA at this point. And they do it because people buy it. Blizzard made more money selling a $15 mount in WoW than they did from Starcraft 2. Blizzard considered making the expansion for Diablo 4 $100. Why? Because gamers will buy any slop no matter how bad it is, no matter how expensive it is, and no matter how much of a scam it is. If it didn't sell, this shit wouldn't happen. GOW PS4 and Ragnarok are pretty close to being that slop. They weren't that good. I couldn't even finish them because they were too boring. I would fall asleep playing them. I'm not talking about Kratos being boring. I'm talking about from a gameplay standpoint which is more important that the story IMO.
Maybe I did. It's been years since I played it. Still GOW PS4 was only made to cash in on the name. If it wasn't named God of War, it wouldn't have done so well. Even Ascension did fine and that one kinda sucked.@@-TheTyrant-
I think you need to check God of war: Directors panel here in YT....There Jaffe explains the Core essence of Kratos for Him ( RAGE, Adventure,Set pieces Boss battles) he even explains his vision for GOW3 ( Kratos Traveling to Norse and Egypt Myths). I personally think that the new games do betrays all those things that made the Greek era what it was. the Ragnarök ending sucks.
Jaffe was never the main writer of the games. All Jaffe did was come up with the concept of a hack and slash Greek mythology game. Marianne Krawczyk and Corey Balrog were the major writers of the old games. And Corey Balrog is responsible for the new games as well.
@@petermj1098 Jaffe was in charge of everything GOW he even scrap completed levels ...again something that he explained in the directors panel. Cory didn't went with his idea for 2018 but with Jaffe's ....Also he was the One to hire the writers for 1 and 2 because he was creative director for everything Santa Mônica for Many years
@@clubcasabe3450 It doesn’t make sense Jaffe doesn’t like the new God do War games making Kratos less vengeful and more heroic yet Kratos’ literal last line in God of War 3 is him saying “My vengeance ends now” and does a heroic act of giving people hope.
@@petermj1098 He liked GOW3 (He was involved in pre-production of It) but his vision was to Kratos to become the grim reaper to kill all gods (Norse , Egypt, etc.) again look for the directors panel of GOW
The way Jaffe writes is like he puts the rule of cool above all else and just writes a story around that. Which is fucking stupid but God of War wouldn’t have existed without Jaffe
bro if you want to change the IP so much just make other game i don't want the DMC or Bayonetta became a walking simulator/soul like game david is correct don't freakin milk the IP so much that it will lost it's identity
Funny thing is that the 2018 GOW appealed to many new people to the game, they. Actually made the same game with better gameplay and storytelling. Don’t get me wrong I loved the original trilogy, ascension not so much. But the new games are really good, some changes are for the better.
@@checuevas93 better gameplay? the combat is downgraded , the puzzle is downgraded and the level design is downgraded the graphics and the long dialogue between characters is the only upgrade
@@DDFF-qn8ic bro what game did you play. GOW 2018 has better gameplay, the old games had you smashing the same two buttons. On the newer ones you have to think about how to approach the enemies. But anyways there’s no point in arguing with someone that is so close minded.
@@checuevas93 i make it simple and give the basic Combat: no aerial combat, has lower skill ceiling Puzzle: no multi-layered big puzzle like Pandora's temple and Olympus btw try's temple is good but not comparable to the previous one Level Design: less vertical and connected level I'm not close minded I just stating facts I'm a fellow GOW fan too i play all the game even the mobile one and have official book ,guidebooks and merchandise
Yeah the game is hardly even a game, it's a playable cutscene 90% of the time. Yeah we get it man, Kratos is a dad and boy is growing up. That doesn't mean we wanna see boy picking fruits and riding a yak for an hour, that's boring as fuck. This is god of war, we wanna be ripping heads off of gods and riding cyclopes and brutally removing that cyclops' eye from it's skull. And also, come on did Kratos just forget how to shave all of a sudden? Sure the beard was cool at first but it's not like he forgot what a razor was just cuz he got older. The best parts of the game are when Kratos is kicking ass, but that's not what we see most of the time. Most of the time we see kratos watching the world around him moving and changing while he just does nothing until he's bothered, in the old games he was directly responsible for most major events happening. David Jaffe isn't necessarily saying new kratos sucks, he's just saying he's incredibly boring to watch compared to the greek saga kratos. We don't wanna see kratos being a boring old man, we wanna see him kicking Thor's ass and BEING the god of war
@legendaryguy1119 "a little bit of story" is not the same as hours worth of cutscenes and climbing/walking sections as opposed to the crumb of actual gameplay in between those sections. You wanna know what's even worse? All of the QTE's can't be lost. If you don't press square when Atreus is getting attacked by a draugr early into ironwood the game just waits until you eventually press square. Same thing happens with the troll getting decapitated by Kratos in svartalfheim. I can tell you probably don't have shit to say besides the usual regurgitation of "durr ADHD huhuhuh" or some dumbass shit like that so why not just admit that you're wrong. GoWR's story is too bloated with shit that could've been cut or improved, the game was just too rushed
@@bandawin18 Bro, if you don't like videogames with well written stories and you only want mindless violence just say so, it was very clear from the start that these new god of war games were going in a completely different direction and honestly, has much as I love the og games, I'm getting to a point where I personally prefer games with more substance. Also a couple things, Kratos doesn't shave because, in case you weren't paying attention, midgard is much colder than greece, god of war Ragnarok literally begins in the middle of fimbulwinter. I also don't get the criticism that Kratos is getting old and boring, his character has gained so much depth in these games and his character progression makes perfect sense when you take the ending of god of war 3 in to consideration. I feel like too many people played the original trilogy mainly for the action, violence and gore and never really paid attention to Kratos has a character, his redemption was inevitable.
