We've been waiting so long to see him become a gentle God of destruction, he's gone from a raging uncontrollable warrior to a wise battle Master I love the fact he getting tested
Kratos *BECAME* brutal, more than he was as a Spartan, because the Greek pantheon *TOOK* his family and toyed with him. Kratos didn't change he reverted back to what he was before, a father.
This makes sense too. Kratos was super soft on Pandora. And also the hardest button mashing event other than killing Zeus is having to let go of his daughter
Kratos has been a killer since his childhood, he's been a soldier,then worked for the gods as their personal hitman and when he killed his family he continues the murder to get rid of the nightmare,and even after killing hades he continues to wage war and kill people, it's only recently that he's realized the error of his ways,he was never just a "father" until gow4 which i think was the right choice for his character but you clearly misunderstood kratos' early life
To be fair, the sandwich was much different when he made it. Then they swapped the meat and condiments. Not saying I agree or disagree with him, but this argument doesn’t really work
@@RagnarLoudpak Its more like he made the sandwich, ate some of it, gave the sandwich to someone else and that person changed the sandwich but keeping the "key ingridients" (i say thid because For example the reason why Kratos wanted revenge is because they killed his family and now he has a family again, he has always cared about family) and he didnt like that they didnt like his sandwich
@@justduro1527 fair enough, but “you made the sandwich” implies he’s mad at something he produced, when in reality, he’s mad that his “sandwich” was changed from how he envisioned. I like Kratos’ new character, but he’s obviously changed a bit. I know it’s just character development, but I understand if the original creator didn’t want that type of development. Maybe he wanted Kratos to stay tormented and raging. Tragic character type. Not every character has to be super deep and layered. Just playing devil’s advocate here.
No your corny they took a wolverine character like kratos and turned him into ant man. Kratos was always more than a conqueror but he’s soft and weak now
This whole game is about violence, to make kratos soft and reduce the violence is like reducing the violence in video games series like mortal kombat and Doom, you simply killed the whole core of these games !! This is a game and not a movie, Kratos is now boring and Atreus is trash and the game does not know it's direction, but hey, talking to sony meat riders is the same as talking to the walls, no point
@@user-xx3wf5mr9o Are you really this dense? Kratos is not soft he is just a good person now he is older, not a edgelord like before. He is a father now something he always wanted you og fanboys forgot god of war is not just about violence it has a story to. Atreus is not trash he literally was important in the story. It's the devs who decide the direction of the series.
@@user-xx3wf5mr9oboth greek saga and norse saga is about harm in vengance. Literally in first game Kratos realized that he achieved nothing by killing Ares. He still had nightmares and guilt. Because of that he tried to take his own life
@@user-xx3wf5mr9o wow, either you're a brainless bot with how much you spammed this exact same argument in this comment section or you legitimately don't have a life and are clinging to your own false conception of this series and it's writing. Either way you're a pretty fucking sad excuse of a person lol.
Yea, then he destroyed the gods. But his revenge did not sate him. And after his fight with zeus he gave hope back to Greece. Then left. He went to Greece, trying to cast away his past. Never wanting to be that monster again. He went to the Norse realms. Started a new family, and tried to be better.
God of war creator: that's not what the character is about he's not about having a family. Also god of war creator: made some emotional scenes where kratos gives up weapons and powers to be reunited with daughter
True, but then again he just lost her again and then got more angry. So it's just a never having cycle of loss for him. That's what he wants to character to be. And I can understand that that's what he wanted
Exactly the way the game is set up by this premise actually kinda disproves the guys point because kraits does end up showcasing the power and rage he had in the past in his fight with thor
@shadowfan115 How do you create something and become an ex creator if it? Did someone travel back in time and take his idea and make it before he did but everyone remembers he created it?
@@user-xx3wf5mr9oyou’ve literally been copy pasting this comment all over the comment section like we get it you have an opinion it’s a dog shit one but it’s there
Could say the same if the Harry Potter franchise also. Anything new in it they want NOTHING. To do with the creator because of her opinions. Sometimes that can go one of 2 ways. Either they were right and the series is now a shell of its former self or its the creator that stagnates and refuses to evolve or progress their franchise.
@@user-xx3wf5mr9o Someone didn't get the entire point of GOW3 lol. They literally beat you in the head that whole game that "ANGER BAD, HOPE GOOD". If anything it's a plot hole that Kratos still uses anger in the new games.
The creator is embodying the Thor quote: "You think you can come here? Become a daddy? Get a clean slate? That ain't how this works! You, are a DESTROYER!..."
You’re just trying to be edgy. like the creator said kratos was intentionally meant to be like wolverine always a badass even in old man Logan comics. the problem is new fans, new developers and a certain group of old fans look for kratos to be something like a slice of life hero now like ant man so they can relate to him through their own personal lives instead of the anti hero kratos is supposed to be they ruined it
All these soy boy mad the fucking creator is calling out Santa Monica for bitching kratos and making his games a Disney chick flick I’m glad to see it. It’s like people didn’t have their fathers in their life so want a game to press X to hug dad. Fuck outta here😂😂😂 let kratos be kratos or let’s give wolverine a dress and therapy sessions we’ll feel better development😃
@@croftant2 Yeah, but people play God of War to kill evil Gods and avenging their atrocities. If we have to do that while constantly hearing about how bad and said we should feel about it (for whatever reason), it kills the purpose and makes it a drag. Greece was a hellhole long before Kratos tore it all down, and the Greek Gods more than earned being destroyed. So why the constant whining about it? People play Warhammer 40k for epic battles and plots in dystopian settings, or Resident Evil for scary plots involving monsters created by science. Do you THINK that characters constantly waxing and nagging about moralist philosophy will please them? Why do you think people hated reboots like those of Star Wars, Powerpuff Girls, Thundercats? What I'm saying is, I don't hate or mind a calm and reasonable Kratos. But if that "calm and reason" results in a whole game of Kratos kinda-sorta agonizing and dragging his feet about something he will inevitably do because THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FRANCHISE AND CHARACTER, you can't expect me and other people to mindless clap and approve. It was okay in the first game, but now it's just getting annoying.
This whole game is about violence, to make kratos soft and reduce the violence is like reducing the violence in video games series like mortal kombat and Doom, you simply killed the whole core of these games !! This is a game and not a movie, Kratos is now boring and Atreus is trash and the game does not know it's direction, but hey, talking to sony meat riders is the same as talking to the walls, no point
@user-xx3wf5mr9o Bro Kratos is still violent. That hasn’t changed Having a story about violence that has nothing to say about violence or is just a nothing sandwich. It gets old. Moreover the series more had to do with anger than vuolence and if you want that anger to have impact you need to have a relatable reason for that anger. It needs a story and with time that story needs to evolve. Logically a series should grow up with it's audience. If you want senseless violence play mortal kombat or watch a b horror flick.
@@user-xx3wf5mr9owatch Heimdall get his head bashed in like Hercules in the third game and then come talk to me about your fucking bullshit Want a violent game? Go play MK or Doom, I’d take a nice story over senseless violence any day, the original 3 games were fucking awesome, God of War 4 + Ragnarok added immense story at the expense of a little bit less violence, cus, yk, can’t really have a story work when all the villains die in a gruesome way only 5 minutes after they show up. TLDR: Why are you complaining about less violence more story?
nah just people deciding "the rules don't matter, I made my own". its just funny how its like people want unofficial rules to be official.@@jf_kein_k8590
This whole game is about violence, to make kratos soft and reduce the violence is like reducing the violence in video games series like mortal kombat and Doom, you simply killed the whole core of these games !! This is a game and not a movie, Kratos is now boring and Atreus is trash and the game does not know it's direction, but hey, talking to sony meat riders is the same as talking to the walls, no point
@@icebearnicho8256 imagine you created a character everybody loved and then different writers did something new with that character and when you don't personally like the new direction of the character, people start yapping and saying they hope you don't get to touch the character again, like, as the damn creator of the character 😭😭😭
@@dolier2802there saying this because he is not making good takes on the character,while I do agree that people should be more understanding about the character but the original creator literally said f you to the new owner of kratos because he made kratos better💀
@@dolier2802I know this analogy is kinda crazy but its like an abusive parent not approving of their child’s actions as an adult. Just because you made the child doesn’t mean jack shit.
it's kinda fitting that kratos has grown wiser, I mean most of the people that played the OG series when it came out are fathers Now. it's like he grows along with the Gamers.
like the creator said kratos was intentionally meant to be like wolverine always a badass even in old man Logan comics. the problem is new fans, new developers and a certain group of old fans look for kratos to be something like a slice of life hero now like ant man so they can relate to him through their own personal lives instead of the anti hero kratos is supposed to be they ruined it. This wasn’t supposed to be a Disney movie game
@@Foxulaw ehh, there's really no means for him to be the way You want him to be, his anger and rage died when he killed his father and himself no reason to carry on that burden. you don't like the game, you don't play It simple concept
@@stingerjohnny9951 you might need a baby wipe to smear the Santa Monica guzzle juice of your face. At least I’m not the one advocating for BS therapy sessions and love tap fights in my games and dlc
It's not development if it's a complete 180 from what the character was designed to be. Might as well just create a new character. But GOW probably would have failed if they didnt have Kratos.
@@defianthound407 it's not a complete 180. Kratos did so much in the name of the family he lost why wouldn't he do more in the name of the family he has. A literal quick time event is us pushing away his daughter. Not to mention he saw Pandora as his daughter in a way showing he still longed for a family.
"NOOOO!!!! Wives and children need to be one dimensional cutouts we kill off to make the protagonist feel bad!!! If we make them actual people, with personality, goals, and interests that don't revolve around the protagonist, that would defeat the entire purpose of them existing!!! A good wife and child should be devoid of individual thought and purpose, and should be mere tools to progress the *important person's* goals, just like in real life!"
Even in death, Faye was a better character from what we know of her. She actually inspired him to be a better person, to protect their son in every aspect against the Aesir. Not to hate on Lysandra at all, it’s just we don’t know all that much about her in comparison.
Kratos is stronger than ever, now that he's learned humility & humanity Kratos feels like he was meant to be a father, with how well his writing is now
@@Dabrownman1812Okay, then he should have been involved in it going forward then. And if he chooses not to, he doesn't get to just bitch and moan about it going differently from his own vision. But that's also separate from the actual argument here, that being that his vision of the character and his take on the new games is incredibly shallow, myopic and childish and not worthy of consideration.
Let me guess...he's the type to complain endlessly about "woke culture",when a character gets race swapped, or when there is more diverse characters added to a franchise.
@@haystackbill6187 you have a right to your opinion, however with corporate chains of control, not everyone has that much control over things they create. I'm making my own manga and it is bleeding me dry to own everything in the process for the most part without being funded by big publishers. I'm excited to show the world my work one day, I wish I could draw but I can only write so I have to pay artists good wages to do things well. Even in movies, OG creators dont always have a hand in the later franchise. Take evil dead, each iteration is owned by different companies. They couldnt even call the third one evil dead, but army of darkness because of licensing lol. Stay safe, stay hydrated, and of course, have a good one.
“That’s not what this character is.” The character ain’t even yours anymore. It’s like when a toddler will see their playdate touch a toy they haven’t even thought about in months and start protecting it like it’s their legacy.
I mean, in fairness it will always be his character. I think the new games did a great job, but if someone took a character you made and completely altered it (removing the pure revenge fantasy anti-hero Kratos was built for and making him more in line with modern mature heroes) you might have a problem with it too. Others may have subjectively improved it, but it was your idea and your brainchild to begin with.
@@snapeinvader6208 like the creator said kratos was intentionally meant to be like wolverine always a badass even in old man Logan comics. the problem is new fans, new developers and a certain group of old fans look for kratos to be something like a slice of life hero now like ant man so they can relate to him through their own personal lives instead of the anti hero kratos is supposed to be they ruined it
@@anonisnoone6125Not even close to reality. No one wants kratos to be some slice of life hero they can relate to We all just enjoy seeing the character mature and progress along in his journey. Having him be one thing and one thing only forever would only get stale and rigid, allowing characters to grow and change leads to amazing stories we can continue to enjoy. You can try and spin this all you want. No one is saying old kratos is bad. Quite the opposite People who love new kratos love old kratos too because both make each other so much better. Without the brutal anti hero, you can't really appreciate the matured God he becomes. And without the mature god, all you're left with is a pretty cool, but pretty repetitive revenge plot. Both together give a narrative about having the strength and power to grow beyond the pain others inflict on you, to become better than your old self for the sake of you and the ones you care for. Mastering yourself. Having the old brutal god of war is necessary to this. No one wants to "change the character". We're just enjoying seeing him grow.
Overly Sarcastic Production have a really good breakdown of Kratos and how his story is basically a 1:1 of a classic Greek Tragedy story. The creator literally forgot the story that he helped write.
@@user-xx3wf5mr9o are you actually gonna say something of value, or are you just gonna reply to everyone in this comment section with the same bullcrap
@@65firered no better yet this is like giving a crackhead money to better themselves and being mad that they've A. Never mentioned you in their interviews when their famous *or* B. Getting mad when they get drugs again Like Mf you gave the cash you're the dumbass *YOU* willingly *GAVE* it away so don't get mad
@@65firered Except if they were obliged to follow his design, then they would be in legal trouble for not doing so. He sold his work and they were free to do as they wished with it. Boo fucking hoo you don't like it, should have put your plans in the contract.
@@mr.switchblade604 That's just the thing, they followed through on the plan he set up. So he's basically mad he made Kratos the character he was. I'd understand if they twisted and destroyed his vision but that's not what happened. They just completed the character development he set up. I've seen creators upset that companies and writers destroyed their characters but this is the first time I can recall a creator being upset that they didn't do that.
This whole game is about violence, to make kratos soft and reduce the violence is like reducing the violence in video games series like mortal kombat and Doom, you simply killed the whole core of these games !! This is a game and not a movie, Kratos is now boring and Atreus is trash and the game does not know it's direction, but hey, talking to sony meat riders is the same as talking to the walls, no point
@user-xx3wf5mr9o kratos is still violent and brutal but he isn't senseless in his dispensing of violence. A great warrior is the type that hates war and strives for peace
@@Ruby_Eve Violent ? I've seen him hesitate to kill thor and I've never seen him kill anyone like he killed Helios or Posiden ? A good warrior doesn't matter for Kratos as a character and that's what special about him, he dosen't give a fuck
Over the years as my cynicalism grew less and my empathy grew more. The "Open your heart" quote from Kratos before his fight with Thor cements it. I'm not gonna lie, I actually choked up during that scene. Kratos is no longer a monster as he once was, he's a true hero now and has come a long way.
Or you know the creator. The person who.know how he wanted kratos to be have an.opini9n. And bet you didnt watch the full video. Just a clip out of context.
@@JakeRider-wc6ke SO you just want Kratos to be a 2 dimensional killing machine with zero morals always yelling about how sucky his life is and how awful gods are?
I can understand it though. Probably feels like his creation that he is (assumingely) very proud of got snat ch ed away and changed into something else. An over reaction? Yeah. Should he have made the video? Probably not. But would I probably do something similar in his situation? Yeah. It’s very hard for us to judge people from their perspective, something I struggle with personally, so I may be overthinking this but I don’t want people to see things born out of quick powerful emotions as these inhuman moments that should be shamed and not learned from.
Why be proud of something that’s no longer yours? He made the og kratos, this new one is a complete 180 and is nothing like what he made. Mind boggling how the creator can’t dislike something without fanboys crying.
@@JakeRider-wc6ke Dont sell your creation if you don't want it to be different from the vision you had. It's unfortunate but the truth, and it was for the better. His character is better now.
@@johnd.zephyr2531yeah which I don’t understand why he hates the newer kratos because what classic is trying to say is that if old kratos was still angry about everything then he would eventually be one dimensional
Note that this is the same guy who hated on Metroid Dread for not knowing how to progress when the answers where in front of him. The game even taught him how to progress through most puzzles. Edit: wow this got a lot of likes quick shout-out to my Metroid fans
This is the guy that insists metroid dread is a bad game because he can't figure out an easy puzzle and refuses to play the game as intended. He may have just lucked out in his early career.
"Talented person has a bad take, so they're not talented anymore". 🙄 I'm not a fan of David Jaffe either. I think he's a jerk, quite honestly. That said, he can be a talented game developer and still have shitty opinions about games. Those things are not mutually exclusive.
He was meant to be like wolverine not a dumbed down slice of life character so you can relate to being a dad in your personal life. Now he’s like ant man or Disney chick flick
@BoyBattery guess what even Wolverine tone himself down to be a family man as well in Old Man Logan The Hulk just screwed him over in rent another thing some parents experience as well as killing and eating his family reason why he went back on his vengeful berserker rampage gutting The Hulk from the inside out so yea even Wolverine had some character development to where he tried to leave his violent past to settle down have a family and live a quiet peaceful life just like Kratos so excuse me if I as a father who's love nerd culture feel inspired by these characters to want to do better not just for myself but for the family that I'm creating with the woman I love... Just like both Kratos and Wolverine
@@Foxulaw you're actually fucking retarded if you're comparing Kratos to Ant-Man. Nothing about Kratos' life is average or boring. You just straight up haven't played the games and have bought fully into the words of a douchey hack who can occasionally come up with a decent concept.
Honestly this kind of argument often comes up with characters like Kratos, Guts and Thorfinn: where one audience is drawn to the aspect of revenge that made the character known to the wider audience and the other towards development of said character and often clash over what direction the character should take P.S any more examples of said characters are welcome
See I don't mind Kratos' development cause he *did* get revenge. And then he moved on and grew. I get the point of Thorfinn, I just think it's lame and boring cause of how saturated that "revenge made me a monster boo hoo" shit is now.
Except the development of Guts and Thorfinn was more natural and organic since we saw it happen as we read their stories. Most of Kratos development happens off screen between 3 and 2018
Literally everything Kratos did in the entirety of GoW was for his family, revenge for being tricked into killing his family, revenge on the gods for making his take more of his family and not taking away all the nightmares from killing that family. It's like fast and furious in here cause it's all about family.
@yu-gisipeo2617 I never said Kratos was a good person. But did you ever play the games? The family is his main motivation for revenge. Not redemption. It's the gods fault he killed them so he killed all the gods, who are also his family, so it's all literally about family.
@yu-gisipeo2617 You don't have and understanding of emotion if you think justice was served after killing ares. Cause if it was the second game wouldn't exist. Also still all About family cause Olympus is his family. So you sre just blatantly wrong.
@yu-gisipeo2617 Damn brother. His wife family, and his blood family. Two different things. Are you just that fucking dense? Literally no point in talking to you.
The game could have included his family without becoming a Disney chick flick. Kratos WAS always family man Kratos was always a Dad in the past who was defending. In the first game he saved calliope from disease and murder those in his path to get her medicine. He's not brutally murdering now he's love tapping and can't even jump this oaf can't take down a pantheon. The creator intended for kratos to be like wolverine a bad ass tough guy who was brutal solved conflicts and loved those close to him. But his games now are about therapy sessions pandering to people who didn’t have their father in their life so they can Press X to hug dad😂😂😂😂🤦♂️ it’s a sorry excuse of a game it’s why the state of west is a laughing matter kratos is soft and weak damn shame
@@Foxulaw this is the biggest cope I've ever seen. You are truly an idiot who has never understood how to write a story or character progression. Fucking loser
You sound slow he had it to began with and was the reason it was successful enough for it to be changed into the new version/ ruined( original concept) lol people are just sheep
Also, I don’t think he ever used the lock movement button once and thought easy mode was too hard. David Jaffe hates complexity whether it’s having to press two buttons at the same time or a character developing creating a more engaging narrative. He unironically probably thinks that Pac-man was peak gaming.
@@mr.protagonist5639 Jaffe went on a tirade against Metroid Dread because he never realized that he has to shoot walls at times even though he got a hint from the game just minutes before, and there were enemies in the room placed right where he'd need to shoot to continue on. He doubled down on it after the backlash.
Remember the live action trailer for God of War Ascension? Kratos holding his daughter as she crumbles to ash upon his skin and you see his sadness turn to anger. Kratos is a character that rebelled against Olympus for killing his family. In his hatred he became a monster. He will always be a monster, but he is his monster no longer.
This whole game is about violence, to make kratos soft and reduce the violence is like reducing the violence in video games series like mortal kombat and Doom, you simply killed the whole core of these games !! This is a game and not a movie, Kratos is now boring and Atreus is trash and the game does not know it's direction, but hey, talking to sony meat riders is the same as talking to the walls, no point
@@user-xx3wf5mr9o That's a tetrible exemple when you mentioned Mortal Kombat. Both franchises changed, staying true to their principals while growing sorfter in some areas but still brutal.
Yeah that’s why Americans get laughed at for being effeminate. Taking an inch and give a mile kratos may have killed innocents in the past but that was the time of world and war they lived in. Kratos also protected people protected Sparta and his family despite being tricked into killing them. But now you need a game to press X to hug dad because you didn’t have your father in your life. Y’all sorry asses a joke
Not all creators are willing to accept that change is necessary. They hate seeing the character or story they made change even if its actually all for a good reason.
Another thing that is really important is the fact that David jaffe isn't really responsible for that much of the God of war series. He helped design the first game.. But Cory Barlog is the one who directed every single game after 1 and wrote every single one of them and he's the only original member who is still working on it. Honestly the series is Cory's not David's
Yea cory raised the character. Gow 2 was and 3 were better than the first as well. And cory did not but her Kratos. When I first saw gow 2018 I thought the same things. But they pulled it off man. However, gow ragnarok did make him a little soft but his brutal nature and character still is there. He turns into a brutal god once the moment calls for it if ya get what I mean. Like when he killed heimdall
@@vergil1155 I just feel like jaffe has literally no room to start claiming that the franchise and character is his when it's just not Cory is the one who literally had a massive character Arc IRL through having a kid for the first time maturing and helping kratos mature due to his own experiences
@@scrimshaw5116 that's right and cory made sure to not butcher the character during this development arc. It's a very difficult thing to do to change a story like that and give development to a character like young Kratos. Gow 2018 and gow 2 are the best games I ever played in the franchise. Cory is genius. I hope the Egypt game is just as good. I believe cory is onto another great masterpiece. I hope it isn't rushed like ragnarok. It was pretty disappointing how they rushed the ending thir and Odin fights and ragnarok itself.
Preach!!!! I could not agree more, if I were the God of War creator I'd be proud to see where it is now and who Kratos is now, like seeing your child grow up to be a good person without you
"You were always more than that." We've been saying that from the jump but only now are people realizing that Kratos has always been a complex character and his development makes sense. Not to mention he's the one who set him up, so basically this is a self-roast. How you gonna hate on the character you created developing when the development started in the games you created? This is a continuation of the arc you put him on.
Effeminate soy boys mad the creator called out Santa Monica for bitching kratos making god of war a Disney chick flick and I love to see it. It's like cause people in the west didn't have their fathers in their life they need games to press X to hug dad😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤦♂️ yall mad at him are so pathetic this is why the west is a laughing stock it’s pretty funny
Greek Kratos always had depth. Kratos now is less of a character especially in Ragnarok when he had zero initiative in the story and his arc was literally the same as it was in 2018
I don't think he's necessarily better. He's always been a great character. New kratos is only good because of the way old kratos was. They're both great
Effeminate soy boys mad the creator called out Santa Monica for bitching kratos making god of war a Disney chick flick and I love to see it. It's like cause people in the west didn't have their fathers in their life they need games to press X to hug dad😂😂😂🤣🤦♂️ it’s fucking sad he was supposed to be like wolverine but now you gave him therapy sessions and made him soft as butter. Give him a dress to you may as well. Development😃
Fans *Take Kratos and GOW away from David Jaffe* David "Give him back! I command you!" Fans "Thank you for getting us started but we are beyond you now."
Dude... GOW3 literally had him wanting to save Pandora because he saw his daughter in her... He literally only beat Zeus because she gave him hope ☠️ The message in that game, the game YOU MADE, was VERY CLEARLY meant to be "Anger bad, hope good".
David Jaffe: hates how Kratos is now a family man. Also David Jaffe: Made the first game of Kratos getting revenge BECAUSE he is a family man. How has he not seen the irony in this is crazy.
@@notproductiveproductions3504 Kratos was never a saint, not by a long shot. I think there's a clip where he talked about deaths that happened for no real reason.
The game could have included his family without becoming a Disney chick flick. Kratos WAS always family man Kratos was always a Dad in the past who was defending. In the first game he saved calliope from disease and murder those in his path to get her medicine. He's not brutally murdering now he's love tapping and can't even jump this oaf can't take down a pantheon. The creator intended for kratos to be like wolverine a bad ass tough guy who was brutal solved conflicts and loved those close to him. But his games now are about therapy sessions pandering to people who didn't have their father in their life so they can Press X to hug dad😂😂😂😂🤣🤦♂️ it's a sorry excuse of a game it's why the state of west is a laughing matter kratos is soft and weak damn shame. But go off good for you wanted to hug dad so much you got it!!
Kratos has always been multidimensional, he was a Spartan fighting to protect his family from invaders, the entire reason the franchise happens is because Ares tricks him into killing his family, a character who can’t move on from resolution of their old story are often better off dead.
Let’s all be fair here. In a parallel universe we’d all gladly buy a gow game where kratos kills the Norse pantheon classic Greek style. But the games we got? That’s how you make the gamers come back and cry and feel emotional and love the story.
This whole game is about violence, to make kratos soft and reduce the violence is like reducing the violence in video games series like mortal kombat and Doom, you simply killed the whole core of these games !! This is a game and not a movie, Kratos is now boring and Atreus is trash and the game does not know it's direction, but hey, talking to sony meat riders is the same as talking to the walls, no point
The fact that he wants Kratos to stay a bloodthirsty action anti-hero and not become a likable protagonist says a lot about his intentions when coming up with the original games
I mean he wanted kratos to be one of the three wise men who gives Jesus gifts for his birthday, and then he wanted to make kratos the grim reaper, he wanted him to wipe out every single Pantheon of gods before that. But I personally like changes.
@@levievil9220punisher was never really like able he slaughters people because of something he couldn’t get over he needed to stoop to their level he couldn’t be better
Seriously. Charcter development. And good character development that has the fans undenied love and atention is so rare these days this man shoulb be on his knees over this. And yet he complainnin. Were did all of humanity go to shit. When did we become the joke?
Doomguys evolution into an even more bloodthirsty and determined killing machine makes total sense. Just as Kratos' evolution into a calm and wise god who seeks to protect others.
There’s a limit to how long you can stay angry. You gotta remember that while Spartans are depicted as muscleheads, they are also geniuses of the battlefield, that means Kratos has to have some analyzes of both his surroundings and himself. He was bound to burn himself out, and really look himself in the mirror, and realize he’s become what he hated and something his deceased family wouldn’t recognize. The creator seems to not understand how people work, because while yes, we can be unreasonable in the most emotional of times. Once we calm down, or burn out like Kratos we can have some intelligent thought.
And honestly, after killing Zeus, he probably had some time to process everything that happened, Kratos did not have it easy at all in Greece and that was because he made an appeal to Ares, everything else that followed was just result of that one choice he made, a choice he’ll always regret. When you look at it like that and take his upbringing into account, it’s no wonder he was so hesitant to go to war with Odin, war made his life miserable.
But this is fiction. There's no ethos that says all fiction must be conducive to real psychology. Why the urge to humanize him but not Doomguy? He can be made lose the anger but still be temperamental. The new one is scaled back a bit with the restraint of violence to a level that isn't compelling. I think they should change the title to something else if they're going to go the calm and reasonable route.
To be clear, he is not “the creator” of God War he was the director. An important job to be sure, but the game was made by hundreds of people. Marianna Krawczyk was the lead writer in the first game and probably the closest person we can get to being the “creator” of the character.
like the creator said kratos was intentionally meant to be like wolverine always a badass even in old man Logan comics. the problem is new fans, new developers and a certain group of old fans look for kratos to be something like a slice of life hero now like ant man so they can relate to him through their own personal lives instead of the anti hero kratos is supposed to be they ruined it. It’s true that kratos always loved his family that’s not the problem. The problem is they emulated a Disney movie with his games and made him soft like ant man instead of someone like wolverine
@@Foxulaw The first scene of the first God of War is Kratos trying to kill himself because he’s haunted by his past. And he’s angry at the gods in those original games because they repeatedly fucked with him and his family. This isn’t “new developers” this is always who Kratos was. He was a badass then, and he’s still a badass now.
@@demitriuscovington370 yes it is new developers he’s soft they have him doing therapy sessions with characters around him. God of war has become a Disney chick flick like most things in the west due to the over feminization of men. Too many people didn’t have their fathers in their life so they need games to press X to hug dad😂😂😂🤣🤦♂️ it’s actually pretty fucking sad to see but it’s really funny how pathetic it is. Like he can’t even jump just an oaf now he can’t take down a pantheon but boy can he grunt and talk about his feelings.
This whole game is about violence, to make kratos soft and reduce the violence is like reducing the violence in video games series like mortal kombat and Doom, you simply killed the whole core of these games !! This is a game and not a movie, Kratos is now boring and Atreus is trash and the game does not know it's direction, but hey, talking to sony meat riders is the same as talking to the walls, no point
@@user-xx3wf5mr9o they didn’t make him soft. In the original games he was a man committing extreme violence to strike back at gods who took his family from him. Then in the new games he’s a man that will commit extreme violence to protect his new family. He’s literally the same as he always was just older.
He’s the same as the OG GOW riders, that just want kratos to be a vehicle of carnage and violence for the player live vicariously through Which he still is to extent, but what’s wrong with him changing after being given a second chance at happiness, trying to be better than the Gods he suffered under, breaking the cycle of hatred and actually being the father he never had and couldn’t be previously. I for one loved the direction Kratos went and it actually made him an inspiration for proper masculinity. Being disciplined, wise, empathetic, understanding, never looking for war but always ready for it.
What’s I find funnier is that a lot of OG GOW meat-riders are like some of the antagonists of the new series. Trying to convince Kratos that he could never change. And this is coming from someone who also likes the old games.
Because it doesn't feel like God of War. Had they changed the title to something else, that's fine. But under that title, I expect a great deal of the old things and carnage. No holding back like he did with Thor and getting hit a few times. I'm unconvinced by the character arc. The game director lives a family life and just applied that to the game.
Ahh I see another western man who didn’t have his father in his life so you need video games to press X to hug dad interesting but not as much as what we used to have even though kratos always loved his family. He used to be a badass who solved problems in conflict now let’s give him a dress and therapy sessions for development
@@Otterbravery51 because he needs to project his lack of a father figure onto others by pretending to be a hardened badass who just likes murder murder murder.
Can’t believe the creator of the character fell so out of touch with the character itself, and also modern Kratos is simply a more interesting and dynamic character to watch and play as
@@redninja3056 Just tired of the whole the child and adult partner. Seem like a lot of shows and games needed to do it after last of us. Samething with protagonist and their cute little pet thing
can’t believe you think he’s “out of touch” as if a completely different person isn’t in charge of the new kratos. He envisions kratos differently so of course he doesn’t like him. God it’s crazy how you people think you know everything 🤦🏾♂️
@@atomic747 Father son/daughter dynamics are interesting to look at, and tend to be heartwarming. That said oversaturation can ruin anything, even something as wholesome as that.
@@shylock7989 he’s soft they have him doing therapy sessions with characters around him. God of war has become a Disney chick flick like most things in the west due to the over feminization of men. Too many people didn’t have their fathers in their life so they need games to press X to hug dad😂😂😂🤣🤦♂️ it’s actually pretty fucking sad to see but it’s really funny how pathetic it is. Like he can’t even jump just an oaf now he can’t take down a pantheon but boy can he grunt and talk about his feelings.
He went from being a loving father, to a soldier, to a brutal killer, back to a loving father. He went back to who he is. His motivation to destroy all the gods was BECAUSE THEY TRICKED HIM INTO KILLING HIS FAMILY!. jesus christ that guy was so out of touch with what he helped create.
Literally the entire point of the new story is Kratos coming to terms with his past, and the creator actually sounds like one of the Gods who said he can never change. How it went over his head so smooth I’ll never know.
You missing the point David Jaffe said in the end of the day no matter what happens to kratos and the end of the day he will always be this serious guy like wolverine just like how Spiderman at the end of the will always be funny no matter what happens to him.
he’s soft they have him doing therapy sessions with characters around him. God of war has become a Disney chick flick like most things in the west due to the over feminization of men. Too many people didn’t have their fathers in their life so they need games to press X to hug dad😂😂😂🤣🤦♂️ it’s actually pretty fucking sad to see but it’s really funny how pathetic it is. Like he can’t even jump just an oaf now he can’t take down a pantheon but boy can he grunt and talk about his feelings.
I understand both sides. On one hand Kratos was supposed to be an over the top recreation of Greek tragedies, so having him become a wise and more overly chill guy feels wrong. It’s the same reason I’m not having as much fun playing as him On the other hand Kratos has grown and should be a tad wiser and “softer”. It just makes sense
Old man Kratos isn’t more chill. He took all that rage inside and became quietly intense. Think of 2018 God of war he didn’t say much or act overly aggressive but you could tell there was still a rage inside him waiting to be unleashed. He’s just old enough now to be able to control it.
While David Jaffe has helped create some entertaining games throughout his career, he has always been a hack when it comes to narrative, and he has consistently been an insufferable douche if you bother to look up interviews of the guy. Old school Kratos is entertaining in a lot of ways, but the old format had run its course by the time Ascension came out. But whatever, let Jaffe throw his tantrum.
“It’s called character progression”. Yea, not all character progression leads to becoming a father figure. The OG clearly wanted his God killer to progress into an even more fearsome God killer.
@justinmcdonald2072 neither do I honestly, I like the dantes inferno style of the first one alot better. It felt more real to a gods revenge and quest for control
Or maybe its y’all who don’t understand. It’s HIS work, so if he says that its supposed to be a certain way, then that’s the end of it. Your opinion doesn’t mean shit, nor does anybody else’s bc it’s not your work, it’s his
I believe kretos is kinda character that even his creators not fully understand him. People said his not a family man never knew him . All his bloodshed in first place because his love for his family and his grief. His a tragic character and because that make new god of war series truly amazing.
he’s soft they have him doing therapy sessions with characters around him. God of war has become a Disney chick flick like most things in the west due to the over feminization of men. Too many people didn’t have their fathers in their life so they need games to press X to hug dad😂😂😂🤣🤦♂️ it’s actually pretty fucking sad to see but it’s really funny how pathetic it is. Like he can’t even jump just an oaf now he can’t take down a pantheon but boy can he grunt and talk about his feelings. Nobody said he isn’t a family man. His games shouldn’t focus on him just being a father like it’s a slice of life movie. But instead like In the past where he had his family but also conflicts to overcome and conquer
I was about to say that he was already a dad and was taking it out on the god's of Greece for being tricked into slaughtering them. He's always been a family man. He's just more mature now and learned from his ways
Honestly, this level of character development makes this story one of the best I've seen. Both versions of Kratos are made infinitely better by the fact that one evolves into the other.
The game could have included his family without becoming a Disney chick flick. Kratos WAS always family man Kratos was always a Dad in the past who was defending. In the first game he saved calliope from disease and murder those in his path to get her medicine. He's not brutally murdering now he's love tapping and can't even jump this oaf can't take down a pantheon. The creator intended for kratos to be like wolverine a bad ass tough guy who was brutal solved conflicts and loved those close to him. But his games now are about therapy sessions pandering to people who didn't have their father in their life so they can Press X to hug dad😂😂😂😂🤣🤦♂️ it's a sorry excuse of a game it's why the state of west is a laughing matter kratos is soft and weak damn shame. But good for you I see you lack the intelligence to understand where he’s coming from cause you needed to hug dad too well you got it!!!!
All these soy boy mad the fucking creator is calling out Santa Monica for bitching kratos and making his games a Disney chick flick I’m glad to see it. It’s like people didn’t have their fathers in their life so want a game to press X to hug dad. Fuck outta here😂😂😂 let kratos be kratos or let’s give wolverine a dress and therapy sessions we’ll feel better development😃
This whole game is about violence, to make kratos soft and reduce the violence is like reducing the violence in video games series like mortal kombat and Doom, you simply killed the whole core of these games !! This is a game and not a movie, Kratos is now boring and Atreus is trash and the game does not know it's direction, but hey, talking to sony meat riders is the same as talking to the walls, no point
@@user-xx3wf5mr9o do you just copy and paste the same thing everywhere- Dude, it's called progression. Kratos isn't softer, he's just no longer senseless. He's stronger than ever, but chooses to restrain himself for the sake of not becoming the bastards and monsters he killed in the past. But the second anything comes to threaten him or those he cares for, he doesn't hesitate to put them down. He wouldn't hesitate to kill Freya if she truly never stopped in her pursuit to end him for revenge of her son. He only held back on Thor because he had the sense to recognize someone else like him who could be an ally. He's not softer, he doesn't hate violence nor is he opposed to it. All he is now is against senseless violence for violence sake. That's a natural progression of a character, and if you can't get over that, you can always just go back and play the old games. No need for you nor the old creator to crap on what we have now like it's some sort of abomination.
@@JDH109 You people don't know the difference between a movie and a game, just like the company you fanboying sony, self-development may work in movies, but not the same with games, because the priority in games is to offer more fun, and Kratos is more soft, meaning less violence, so less hack and slash
@@user-xx3wf5mr9odamn near every video game has turned into a partial movie. If you fail to realize that then it’s on you. Clearly the game out grew you.
