It’s so annoying because what she does isn’t illegal…you can talk about Jesus in school, you just can’t force students to pray and stuff. So their persecution complex is over 9000
yea....if a Satanist is screaming "she didnt do anything wrong! she was speaking academically!" at her tv....its a sign the primary conflict in your Christian film needs serious workshopping.
@@gypsylee333 School faculty can't call for or lead prayer - as government employees they are presumed to have coercive power. Students can pray if they want. The "case" in the movie is not that, so that's irrelevant. The teacher character simply confirmed that the student's analogy was valid.
@@gypsylee333 The prayer is after the game, not in the middle of it. Still goes against separation of church and state as it's on school grounds led by a school employee, but it's not as flagrant as during the game.
@@CollinGerberding barely less flagrant but my mistake. Still in the middle of the football field, I guess that's what I meant I'm not a sports person.
The cancer storyline really rubs me the wrong way - this idea that you can just pray cancer away. What does that say to the people that don't coincidentally go into remission? That they didn't pray hard enough? Or that it was just God's plan for them to die from a horrible illness?
Absolutely! It’s abhorrent! I also hate the possible implications that ALL You need is prayer, that’s a dangerous message that could encourage some faithful people to reject medical intervention in favour of prayer. That’s beyond reckless and incredibly dangerous. It’s the same anti-science thought that made digging our way out of a global pandemic so much harder and more deadly!
It’s so annoying because they could’ve had a storyline about religion helping someone cope with death. I’ve had loved ones find comfort in their belief of the afterlife while dying who also recieved treatment until they went on hospice. Instead of … attempting to solely pray away their illness
I was an extra in the film. "goth" girl had her makeup done by some mall kiosk quality artist who left halfway through the day and the hair extensions only came in after she had shot some scenes and I have seen better quality extensions at said mall kiosk. FUN FACT this scene was shot the day the supreme court ruled legalizing gay marriage and I saw at least 2 couples come to the court house that day to get married as a result. Love wins.
@@NickDiRamioTV Can you do a Shout-Out for the Telltale atheist, who has more Value than i can reasonably list? I mean, hes such an important Source of Infos and Warnings...
I love how there's a whole film series around the idea that Christians are so persecuted that it takes a lot of courage to say, "God's not dead" and yet, if someone tried to make a film called "God's dead" you can be sure fundies would persecute anybody trying to make/distribute it XD
you're totally right. the amount of pretend persecution i was told was happening as i was growing up is ridiculous. we used to contemptibly say "Merry Christmas" back to the cashiers at the store after they said "Happy Holidays". I can't roll my eyes hard enough.
@@AwesomeFreakMadd Christians have this martyr complex because of what Jesus is said to have gone through. They want to be as persecuted as he was, but they aren't, so they have to invent these goofy victim narratives for themselves. Meanwhile they are the ones actually persecuting LGBTQ people and poc and women and everyone who is not Christian pretty much.
I just genuinely hate how Christians heard the line "God is dead" once and decided to make it into this whole persecution complex instead of actually READING Nietzsche to see what it means.
Clearly none of you people know what happens to Christians in Islamic countries. I'm against *all* persecutions of all people, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, LGBT, POC, you name it. Unfortunately, people are selective with their outrage and choose to ignore the persecution of one group just because they don't like that particular group.
As an agnostic teacher, the first two God is Not Dead movies are extra hilarious to me. I've discussed multiple religious references while teaching literature and art. The projection in these movies is past absurd.
Religion is a part of history, there's nothing wrong with teaching about any religion in that context. You couldn't teach history properly without it. The problem comes if teachers tell their students one religion is right and one is wrong.
Right? Also literally no one said they can't talk about god. As an atheist I really could care less if you wanna talk about God as long as you're not trying to use god as an excuse to be a bigot 😂
It's insane that anyone's trying to pass off a teacher answering a student's question as a literal crime?? Like nothing she did was illegal and it wasn't even morally dubious, she literally just answered a student's question? I'm not religious but I dont see a problem with it. It's super hypocritical of them to act so persecuted here though when this exact scenario is what they're trying to literally outlaw when it comes to lgbt topics (in my state, florida). Christian/conservative lawmakers want to make it illegal for a teacher to answer a student's question about lgbt topics just like the student in the movie asked about a quote from the Bible. ALSO people literally swear on the Bible in court, how does this plot make sense to anyone on earth? They want to be oppressed so bad
also all the time there are Christmas plays and movies both shown and thrown, usually coaches of sports teams pray before games, ppl say God Bless you, the only thing not allowed is schools to mandate that ppl recite a prayer everyday and even then I can't imagine a teacher being sued or fired for telling kids to pray even if it was in a bigoted way because I've seen teachers call elementary school kids stupid and nothing happen
Kind of dark to think a teacher in Russia got arrested for saying uncomfortable truth about Russia. Sometimes American Christian really be so self-absorbed in their imaginary mistery and ignore real people suffering.
I agree! just chiming in to say that the Bible isn't used in court anymore (at least not any court I've gone to), and they don't ask people to say the "so help me God" part either
@@singinbluekitty oh okay thanks for the clarification! I havent ever really been in court I've just seen it like in media but I guess u can't trust that. I thought they still had people swear on bibles. Or maybe I'm just thinking about how the president is sworn in on a Bible/holy book of their choice (or not if they choose I think?? Could be wrong on that too). But also "one nation under god" is still in the pledge to the flag and I know for a fact children say that in school every day to this day. So either way god is no where close to "dead" in this country
I really don’t understand why Christians think they’re under attack all the time. We don’t care that you Eat, Pray, Love and obsess over Jesus- just stop harassing the rest of us about it lmao
As an ex-hardcore pentecostal, I can kinda explain some of the evangelical wannabe persecution complex thing where they pretend to be the minority and persecuted: We used to do these plays and watch these plays when at camp or revivals etc especially as youth telling us "they" were coming and one day it'd be a gun to our head and we would have to pick and how the right choice is to die for your faith and be a martyr. I was even made to read approved books about people in history (no source if they existed btw and some were like in the slightly earlier 90s than I was in it felt and 80s lmao) that had to martyr themselves and such. We lived in this fear always being told and folding deeper into our lil communities for safety knowing "they" were coming..maybe tonight..tomorrow...next year. "THEY ARE COMING" and being a Jesus lover would be illegal etc etc. So we were brought up in this fake world where WE were the victims WE were the outliers....despite us running everything. The lil dumb christian tiktok trends cement for me this is still a common tactic they are using. Hail Satan. Hail thyself. Touch grass, Pureflix.
It comes from a common practice by cults; if you can convince the followers they're persecuted for their beliefs and that the people outside of the cult are against them or want to do them harm, it creates a sense of camaraderie among them, fear and distrust the people or the "outside" world, and making it less likely they'll leave. If you want to learn more about cults you can checkout Telltale on RU-vid, he grew up in a cult and uses the platform to explain what cults are, how destructive they are, how they suck people in, etc.
@@cyanidesmile7263 love telltale. I like his run downs on the Jehovah witness children’s cartoons. I swear my “friends” in elementary school would’ve forced me to watch that if it was around back then. They tried to indoctrinate me all the time, and always made me feel like shit because my family wasn’t Jehovah witness. I even have a pink kids Jehovah witness bible that one of those “friends” gave me up in my moms attic somewhere.
14:17 Just to correct Sabrina's grandpa real quick - as an atheist who was raised super conservative christian, I can confirm that becoming atheist did in fact both take away the pain and give me hope
Same!! I would leave church every time and cry in my car, feeling like I didn't fit in and this is the way it would always be. After finding new friends outside the church, I realized my life actually has so many possibilities.
Also a cancer survivor, and things like this make me want to headwall at high speed. Riiight, so I just needed to PRAY enough. I could have avoided chemo, radiation, numerous surgeries and a permanent ostomy just by hitting my knees every night! 🙄 Sure, Jan.
I am so unbelievably happy that you're both still here with us and I'm so proud of you beating that terrible disease ❤️❤️ I sincerely wish you both the best!
@@ejaviolin I know it's nowhere near the same but when I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease I had a nurse tell me that I could overcome it so long as I had "positive thinking" and that if it returned (as in a flare) then I was probably just too negative in my life. Imagine putting the burden and weight of something almost completely out of your control like Crohn's disease on a 15yr old girl. Every time I was back in hospital I would automatically blame myself, whereas in reality I could be the happiest person in the world and there is always a possibility it'll fly into a flare. And I can't even imagine what hearing that is like with something like cancer, especially because they're claiming some holy higher power that's meant to love you unconditionally is giving you this to "teach you a lesson". Do these people not realize how utterly horrific it sounds?
@@fawnieee I can't relate to you guys' physical struggle but I do battle with mental health and have since I was 10, and in the southern U.S. therapy and medication are less emphasized and believing in God is, despite me having a pretty good reason not to believe in God at that point. It felt like the people who were supposed to help me were actively blaming me for my misery as though I enjoyed having depression when I wasn't even in middle school at that point.
The audacity christians have to be like "what do you MEAN we can't talk about jesus?? even in historical context???" when DeShitis is literally waving around the Don't Say Gay bill.......amazing
Do some research ! No where in that bill does it say the word "gay". The bill is supported by both Florida Democrats *and* Republicans alike and it's designed to protect young children (pre-school to 3rd grade) from hearing about sexual subject matter that should only be talked about with their parents, not educators. I'm a Democrat and I'm disgusted by how much misinformation the media has fed the public regarding this bill. Anyone who is against this bill is a sick piece of shyte, imho.
@@tarag2705 He also got named DeathSantis thanks to his Corona denialism. I wager once his shenanigans with Disney property tax goes trough and starts eating Florida man's wallet, DebtSantis is next in the list.
I just love how in these movies, anyone non-religious/"liberal"/"socialist" is deemed a monster that doesn't care about anyone or anything when these same "liberals"/"socialists" beliefs are attempting to speak up *FOR* human rights???? LIke, the hypocrisy is fresh today Actually, little story: I grew up in south Georgia (like just over 30 minutes from the Florida border) and went to a *PUBLIC* county school. In our Sophomore or Junior year, I was in a typical literature class. Then, we got to a lesson at one point that was all about works of lit that were meant as a full-on mirror/reference to the Bible. Remember: Public school. I went to church like 3 times in my life and each time was just a Christmas dinner thing. I never read the Bible. No interest in doing so either. In this class this freakin' teacher expected us all to just *KNOW* what part of the Bible whatever work we were looking at was being referenced/mirrored. We didn't do a run down of the Bible, no discussion, we were just expected to feckin' know. I was a top student in my class. This freakin' lesson in this class *DESTROYED* my grades. All. Because. I. Never. Read. The. Bible. Because. Neither. I. Nor. My. Family. Were. Religious. Straight up bs and honestly lmao I get pissed about it to this day, but because of academic reasons, not "OH NO THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT JESUS AND THE BIBLE *HIIIIIIIISSSSSSSSSSSS*". But, like, trust me----Ain't nobody down here gonna bat an eye at that shit, which makes all this even funnier because I legit know *THIS WOULD NEVER BE THE REACTION TO THAT*
It’s so frustrating - they act like morality is dependent on being Christian - and anyone else especially leftists are just infected by satan and weak spirited when they don’t even understand what we are doing
It's the way the case did not even debate the thing the teacher was in trouble for. This is just utter stupidity and shows Christians have no idea the reasons why everyone else has issues with them and their dogma.
A lot of them do, they just create a straw-man to further the persecution-complex. It’s far easier to indoctrinate people if the “other” side is so dangerous and evil. It’s much easier to control a population with fear.
@@holliegriffin5361 right it's us "godless heathens" trying to persecute them and silence then. Meanwhile there are like 14 states where the GOP is introducing anti-lgbtq laws and anti-abortion policies. But no it's totally them who are persecuted and having their rights endangered lol. Such a joke.
Considering that there's that whole "Don't say Gay" thing happening, it feels really iffy that they wanna victimize themselves this bad. It's like watching a movie about how slavery was such a bad time for white people. "I don't know why they hate us so much 🥺" type of energy
I watched this video first and then watched Some More New’s video about the Don’t Say Gay law and I was like… wait… are the people who are screaming that they’re being persecuted for saying Jesus in schools the same people who are actually persecuting the LGBTQ community …?!
@@rabbit__ agreed. I think when Christianity was starting and the Romans slaughtered them, a lot of Christians believed the end was near and so dying a littler sooner was no big deal. Also life was miserable then. But today? I don’t understand the “I’m oppressed” trend. Even when “Jesus Walks” came out… no one cared. I listened to it and no one cared. None of my non Christian friends cared I went to Church or youth group. There was one girl who called me a witch while I was reading “the poison wood Bible” because she didn’t realize it was a novel and saw me carrying it around school. But most people didn’t care about religion-for or against.
With the parents at the beginning demanding positivity after a death, at first I didn’t realize they were supposed to be atheist. I thought they were gonna make it about god, and it was going to be that toxic positivity that crops up in fundamentalist circles
No cuz that wode actually be a good healthy criticism and a warning about what can happen if you take religion too far,but that wode show how Christianity isn't the absolute supreme good and we can't have that
My Christian parents raised me on toxic positivity. Meanwhile every non-religious person I ever met at least knew how to speak with people, and I bet most of them had a grasp on how to comprehend the reality of a situation and deal with it
I’ve (sadly) known atheist and super religious people lose children (of various religions) and none of them have ever had this attitude. I mean, even Casey Anthony cried at her trial.
It drives me up a wall how much Christians smugly use the “Gods not dead” line by falsely attributing it to actually being about god. Like omg Its a metaphor I’m literally begging them to do 30 seconds of research
It always annoys me cause it makes 0 sense to take literally. If you believe in God, you “know” he can’t die, if you don’t, how tf can a non-existent being be dead?? Nobody thinks God is dead, Pureflix!!!
The stupidest part of this movie is that religion and jesus and other gods, etc are openly discussed in public schools. I mean, was everyone involved in this movie homeschooled?
Yeah, like, in my school, we had like, a segment in our history class about different religions and no one gave a shit. Like, it's not that big of a deal. Their victim complex is so blatant.
They probably went to christian schools. I went to christian school and this is basically how they told us public schools are lmao. the public school was a block away from mine and when their school let out a lot of the kids would walk by ours to get to their bus stop and we literally weren't allowed to talk to them. I think our teachers thought every kid in public school must be liberal/atheist/on drugs.
now that I think about it, they must've known there were some christians there because they had the whole "see you at the flagpole" thing where students meet up to pray before school. but I think they thought christian kids in public school weren't as strong bc they're surrounded by "worldly temptations". which makes no sense. do they expect people to never interact with people outside their christian circle? (that's a rhetorical question, they definitely think that. oh and before school they'd send some of the kids from our school up to the flagpole at the public school to pray to make it look like there were more christians at the public school lol
Why does she have a public defender? This is clearly a civil case and public defenders are only appointed in criminal court. Also, people are able to get rid of a juror on the basis of occupation. While Rev. Dave's occupation is religious, it is still his job and therefore can be used as a reason to challenge. Also, what is the point of subpoenaing sermons? What relevance does that have to the case? It is also ridiculous to imagine a juror would be also involved in the case, as Rev. Dave would technically be by being subpoenaed. Finally, why is the judge so chill when everyone breaks out into cheers DURING COURT?! Thank you for listening to my angry rant.
Your comment reminds me of this Mexican soap my mom watched a few years ago. It was about a bunch of lawyers who would only drink heavily and screw each other. Being a soap, figures 😅 However, the court scenes were painful to watch! I'm no lawyer but I know how to act in a courthouse. The shenanigans they would do in this show were stupidly annoying.
While I was watching that scene about the opposition lawyers try to get Rev Dave kicked off the jury, and Jesse Metcalfe was smugly announcing that they couldn’t, I shouted “wait til you find out about Batson and how effective THAT is, my dude!”
As a former Christian-turned-atheist, I admit I always get a perverse kick out of watching Nick expose and eviscerate the garbage Christians try to pass as entertainment
It's fun as a Christian too. The most Christian media I grew up with was VeggieTales every once in a while when youth group teachers didnt plan lol. And I hated that show. Oh and those DreamWorks movies but those are beautiful just as stand-alone art
@@Aelffwynn you poor misguided soul. God forgives all tho--even VeggieTales lol. Almost forgot to shout out Hunchback of Notre Dame as a beautiful film featuring Christianity. "God Help the Outcasts" still brings me to tears. "Hellfire / Heaven's Light" is a great example of real love which is made greater through God and selfish love that ignores the recipient's needs. That movie taught me the difference between faith and doctrine. You don't need a church to go to church--just good people, prayer / song
@@DeathnoteBB true but it shows how Christians want to victimize themselves with this “persecution” when they are the majority in power and actual minority’s are getting their rights taken away.
man i’m a queer christian who was raised superrr conservative and was exposed to all sorts of godawful christian prop like this growing up so it’s rlly fun watching you break them down
I'm not an atheist but I'm definitely not religious. I love that I'm apparently hopeless because I don't believe in Jesus. 🙄 The most hateful people I've ever encountered call themselves "Christians." There are definitely good Christians who aren't like that, but unfortunately the hateful ones are the loudest.
In my opinion, Martin Luther kinda messed up when he made "alone from faith" as one of his core tenets. Luther was especially grossed with the fact that catholic church sold indulgences for the rich, giving them permission to sin all the while making church rich. His "alone from faith" was supposed to underline that good deeds should be done for their own sake, not in hopes of heavenly reward and indeed all Christians should strive to love thy neighbor and be charitable. However somewhere along the way that was warped to mean "I can be absolutely a cruel and miserable prick towards my fellow beings and take advantage of them so long as I have the right faith."
Er... if you aren't religious and you don't believe in any gods, you're an atheist. Like, I'm a religious atheist on account of being a Satanist. I just don't really understand your comment, I take solace in my labels and identity, since I've chosen it myself
"Im not an atheist but im definitely not religious...i dont believe in jesus" What are you muslim, mormon, or scientologist? Atheist means no theism. No religion no belief in god/gods.
They just don’t hear themselves, do they? Wanna tell everyone else what they can and cannot do, but the second anyone tries to come for their religion and their guns, it’s OVER! And it makes me laugh that they have the audacity to act like their religious freedom is at risk; like, ma’am… no. 🙄
"Cuz our religion is RIGHT and yours is EVIL" Christians will never accept that other people also have a right to religious freedom; Christianity claims one of its tenets as "we are the only real religion and any other's existence is an attack on us"
I am a server and you’d be surprised how many Christians will come in and give me bibles force me to listen to their agendas and beliefs and I have had tables pray for me cause they think I need “Jesus” and they complain that they’re loosing Christians because no one believes in it anymore 🙄 I have no problem with any religion just don’t force it on me there’s people that’ll make me pray with them
@@jujubee807 Ugh, that's atrocious. I sincerely apologise you have to put up with that. I used to wait tables and that reminds me of when people would leave chick tracks with the checks (they especially did this to the male servers because... "Salvation from homosexuality" [TF? This was *pre* equality act and most of the men were married to the women, but bringing someone a salad was "gay" I guess] or more offensive still - constantly targeting our only black server, and usually it was when they had no choice but to sit in her station.) This was usually their suppliment or outright substitute for a tip. Though I'll never forget the time that I was left a personalized card stating, "This is not a commentary on your service. I do not believe in the tipping/gratuity system. You should take this card to your manager or supervisor and demand a decent hourly wage or find a new vocation." ^ I remember seeing that and thinking "How insightful no limit AMX holder - that's never crossed the mind of *any* server ever."
Also, yeah, Gandhi definitely used bibilical inspirations in his non violent protests. It definitely isn't because non-violence (aka Ahimsa) is an established part of Hindu doctrine, the religion he followed. All they needed were thirty seconds with on Wikipedia.
I can't explain how much I hate the "You're healed due to god/your prayer" rhetoric that Evangelical Christians spout. Like it just feels so gross to subtly imply that those who do suffer from these illnesses & die didn't want to live hard enough via the exact right deity. And it's just such a dodge since when it does go wrong & a Christian on their death bed deals with the flip-side justification that their suffering/death is just part of "God's plan". To believe in it too strongly just feels like set up for a fall, on top of the fact, like Nick mentioned, it's too often one more avenue the worst kinds of fundamentalists use to minimize or outright demonize science. I prefer when Christians actually integrate the realities of science to bolster their faith, ie. "Thank God for providing the experts & the wonderful inventions to help you". Thankfully, that's more of the way my own parents practice their faith but sadly I hear that less often than the "You survived due to God, full stop & if you were still an atheist you might have died" mindsets.
Same. I grew up in a fundamentalist cult that did laying on of hands. Our leader flat out said that if you went to a doctor after he laid hands on you that meant you didn't believe him, and if you got sick after he laid hands on you that meant you didn't have enough faith. He used to have tent revivals with thousands upon thousands of people and I think often about how many people must've died because they trusted him and it breaks my heart. I used to have church members say I must not have faith (when I was a literal child) if I ever so much as got a cold because you're supposed to be able to say "get thee behind me Satan" and instantly be healed.
Agreed - it’s soooo annoying how they twist things needlessly. My dad was both a fundamentalist and a doctor. They’re not mutually exclusive concepts for non-morons. Scientific knowledge is involved in understanding suffering, healing, and death. God and suffering go together; God and healing go together; God and dying go together. They might want to confirm this by actually reading the Bible.🙂 Edit: anyone else notice Jesus didn’t go around making *everyone* healthy and happy? He let many people suffer and die. Like all the rest of the lepers who didn’t get his personal attention. Lucky Lazarus got to die twice! For everyone else, natural human life spans and troubles. It’s about the afterlife, not having a cushy earthly existence.
They not only buy the grotesque propaganda but they gladly pay extra for it. Uneducated congregations will all too readily gobble it up from their preacher-man who talks like them, totally ignorant to the fact that anything "spiritual" they feel is actually just social phenomena + placebo. I think little of pastors and priests because many of them know exactly what they're doing and take advantage of the trust they garnered among their usually low-income congregation to enrich themselves. The pastors of my childhood church would even get the congregation to work for free on their beautiful upper-middle-class property while my family lived in a roach-infested trailer that they rented.
This movie feels like propaganda from one of those televangelists who claim to be able to heal all illnesses by poking someone in the forehead or something.
it's always so weird to see Dave cast himself as the lead in this stuff, because to me, he doesn't really read salt of the earth everyman. he reads as aging surfer dude. like how big does your ego have to be that you can't cast someone who just... Legitimately fits the part better? Also, I grew up in Texas & my High School BIOLOGY teacher refused to teach the chapter on evolution AND told the whole class that 'gays created AIDS'. like. you'd be surprised what you can get away with saying in a conservative area. I spoke up and was sent to the principal's office, but instead I skipped school for the rest of the day. It was honestly pretty traumatic to watch a room full of teenagers AND my damn teacher laughing about it, throwing around the f-slur and whatnot.
the whole premise of this movie is hilarious as someone from the bible belt.. we had teachers who had bible quotes and crosses as decoration for their room and people always talked about christianity...and no I didn't do to a religious school..I went to public school hahaha
Yeah, I went to public school, and our openly Catholic Latin teacher had lengthy discussions about whether the church properly pronounces Latin words (based on the best information we have, of course). We translated a ton of different things, including religious texts. Big old nobody cares. In history class we discussed different religions and kids discussed their views as part of the conversation. The idea that Christianity cannot even be mentioned in American schools, especially in history, given much of this country was settled by Christian refugees, is laughable. Complete BS.
right? i'm not american but my country is like 91% catholic. my elementary and high school - both public schools - had crosses hanging in every classroom, and religious education was part of the curriculum starting from grade 1 (thought it wasn't mandatory). i specifically remember a rumor a that a super religious teacher failed someone because they mentioned santa claus in an essay on how they spent the christmas holidays. this premise is truly laughable
I grew up in a super conservative, kinda cult-like, church in the Bible Belt, and one of the girls who I was friends with got married to this guy who writes and posts “poems” every June about how the lgbtq is persecuting Christians and appropriating the rainbow. It’s genuinely one of the funniest things I’ve ever read. It’s not even good in technical poetry terms. But reading it every year is now one of my favorite pride celebration traditions.
meanwhile, in real life, a kid tells on their teacher for bringing the bible into their health class lessons and the kid's family had to move because some insane christians were threatening the family over it.
i went to a christian boarding school from 13-18 years old. by the time i was graduating high school i was so unconvinced by our daily bible classes that i started reading a LOT of theology books. i read so many theology books that my bible teacher came up with a new graduation award, labeling me as "most devoted theologian." i accepted my award awkwardly and left an atheist lol
I wasn't allowed to watch Sabrina in the 90s when my Mom was home because it had magic use and Satan worship. It's actually kind of funny that she is helping peddle this nonsense nowadays.
She believes this kind of stuff in real life too, sadly. Which sucks because the "bad guys" in these films often defend people of faith in court as well
The infamous “my magic pussy” meet up of MJH and Salem… wonder what Pureflix thinks of this! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-b858rOO21Fw.html
These movies are honestly just used to brainwash and break down vulnerable teens in their bible study groups too. I particularly remember "To Save a Life" and "Soul Surfer" being used over and over
I was once one of those teenagers guilted and influenced by the church. I left over a decade ago and I’m still unpacking the trauma they caused at age 30
I watched a review of To Save a Life years after it came out. I'm so glad I didn't waste my time on it when it came out. Probably would've been music to my Christian teen ears.
Thank you Nick! As a young teen I had to be a caregiver for my grandmother and eventually my own mother. I had to do a lot of things from a young age (like wipe an elderly persons ass), that no child should have to be responsible for. We all used to be Catholic growing up, whenever I would open up to anyone in the community about the things I had to endear from being in that position, they all told me that I was just being “a good child” and that God would “reward me”. Somehow all I got was severe trauma from that, who knew? Thanks God, I guess….. Thank you for talking about how selfless characters are portrayed in these films, and how the gritty things are always glossed over. I felt like my teenage self was seen. :) Also, love your videos
My mom used to call it Catholic guilt but I think Catholic trauma is a better descriptor. I'm sorry you went through that and you're allowed to be human! Unlearning catholic programming hits different (as the kids say lol)
Sadly , another RU-vid creator named TellTale Athiest was chased out of his city by Christian’s after his daughter reported a teacher literally preaching to her class. That won’t get a movie though from xians.
And that incident where the students in a highschool that organized a walk out after being sent to a mandatory sermon at school happened _in the same district he was run out of_ (I assume you know that, just wanted to add to the info for anyone reading it lol)
Such a brave girl. I still cannot imagine being a child and hearing that by an authority figure. It’s like a pass to bully people who stray from certain Christian “values”, if these are the adults, what kind of things do their children do? What do they get away with?
Another Owen fan yay! Fr tho, he could write a book f all the sh*t religious ppl have put him and his fam through. Including the Jehovahs Witnesses making his mom disown him bc he was caught smoking a cig👀
Fun fact: The reason the government subpoenas sermons is to ensure that pastors aren’t promoting things like political groups or private corporations during their services, because doing so would lose them their right to be a tax free religious write off as they’re using said religion to push non religious agendas.
In my last church, the pastor told us in a short wednesday night surmon he gave on the pulpit that we should vote red or we are not Christians. They get away with it constantly.
I love how it's the school board that's anti-god in this movie when the school I went to literally allowed people to stand outside and hand out flyers inviting students to church events and performed prayer circles.
@@AwesomeFreakMadd that happened at my high school EVERY WEDNESDAY they would play guitar badly and sing those awful modern "worship songs" and there were os many of them you had to wade through a Red Sea of people just to get inside the building
@@StarryeyedPixie OMG "a Red Sea of people" is SUCH a great way to put that! Yeah Christianity was the norm, I was on the Drumline and we'd literally pray before going out on the field for football halftime shows. Cringey in retrospect. Also I have a visceral reaction to "modern jesus songs" nowadays. Sometimes my partner will listen to something in Japanese and I'll walk over and be like "is this a jesus song, it sounds like one! get it away!"
@@spicoli_1117 I bet it was! It was a way of "bringing god back into class" because technically they weren't allowed. My parents used to bitch that schools were worse once they took god out of them. I think they blamed school shootings on that once. Tone Deaf and Disgusting.
Interestingly the historicity of Jesus is shakier than one might initially think. But a Christian Teacher may not know that or shorten "this quote is attributed to a figure known as Jesus who may or may not have been a real person, or an amalgamation of several historical figures" to something a little more succinct
I got kicked out of a birthday party once for talking about historical inaccuracies in the Bible and the fact that no historian of the time mentions Jesus as a prominent figure 😊👌
yeah I thought nick was a bit too confident on the evidence lol also the bible was written by people who weren't alive at the same time Jesus was supposed to be alive
It’s funny because (IIRC) the people suing Sabrina for mentioning Jesus would fight for her right to. In the court case this was (very loosely) based on, the pastor was asked to provide transcriptions because he was (allegedly) telling people who to vote for. These are the movie versions of chain mail.
If I remember correctly, the priest wasn't in danger of going to jail or anything. By bringing politics into his services, the church would lose its tax exemption status, and preachers get real mad if you mess with their profit margins.
Omg, I got the "God's Not Dead" text at like eleven at night from my brother in law and I almost called the police to do a welfare check 🤣 WHY do they do that sort of thing? "The movie told me to bother my atheist friends and relatives really late at night so I did!" Like, if he'd just waited until the morning, I'd have just rolled my eyes but to this day he has no idea how close he came to talking to cops in the middle of the night because he just had to send that text RIGHT TF NOW
Throw back to when I'd get those texts every few days from relatives I didn't even talk to lmao my first thought was also omg are they ok? Who sends that randomly?!
What's crazy is none of the people involved in this movie ever took a literature class, theres always in depth biblical talk due to how often it's referenced lol
i just graduated with a degree in literature, and i'd go so far as to say that christianity has been mentioned in every literature class i've ever taken, including ones that focused on gothic horror and science fiction, solely because of how often biblical allegories and imagery are used in western literature.
@@kristinaclady4590 100% agreed!! I just finished a sci fi lit course and it came up so frequently simply bc that's history babey, this movie would've been so much more grounded if it was a lit course instead of a history course lmao
@@DeathnoteBB Can confirm, I was kept out of public school in grades 3-12 and all I knew about it was what was depicted in TV and movies, which I now know is nearly all bs
Spot on with the “colonial missionary feel”… also the Asian exchange student / nerdy, studious Asian student and hardass parents is an overdone stereotype
Fun vaguely relevant fact: touch actually is often crucial to an appendicitis diagnosis - it's called rebound pain iirc! When I had appendicitis, it literally saved my life because the doctor didn't pick up on my other symptoms 💔 But I highly doubt the filmmakers actually knew that, seeing as Davey boy has no other symptoms than "pain". Also what a weird fucking thing "hope ur not attached to ur appendix" is to say while your patient is writhing in agony
I'm fascinated by the people who are in Pure Flix movies. There are a chunk of actors who are hardcore evangelicals, but then there are a chunk of older character actors who are probably just trying to keep their union benefits and a bunch of soap actors. I suspect they must pay decently, to be honest especially for those who may not have a lot of other jobs lined up.
My favorite anecdote about Christian colonialism and missionaries is this, * Missionary arrives at Inuit community and has conversation with Inuit man * Missionary tells him about God and Satan, heaven and hell, sin and virtue, faith and doubt. Inuit man: Ok. So.. Does this mean that all my ancestors are burning in hell for eternity then? Missionary: Well.. No. They wouldn't be because they never heard the Good News. Inuit man: So if you don't know about God then you can't sin and if you can't sin then you can't go to hell? Missionary: Uhh.. Yes. Correct. If you haven't heard of God then you cannot be judged for your sins because you didn't know they were sins. Inuit man: * pauses * Alright... Well then why the fukk did you tell me???? Lmao.
Lmaoo this plot is so funny as if non Christian students are the norm... And not constantly being forced to partake in Christian beliefs/traditions through public school. Like... My choir teacher constantly had us singing songs explicitly praising god (even outside of the winter/Christmas concert), once she sat us down and read us a Bible story completely unrelated to the curriculum, and she even went on a rant about biblical dating practices etc. Never once got fired. Christmas parties/decorations in public schools are also super common. And most of our breaks specifically catered to whenever Christian holidays would be. If you ended up feeling persecuted as a Christian in American public school I'd bet it was more from other Christian students who went to churches with mildly different beliefs or maybe a singular edgy teen going through their Intellectual Athiest phase .
my choir was the exact same!! our director is the lead of the choir at my former church and 90% of our songs were religious and about being a "witness to god".
Lmao not this movie literally reminding us how God and prayer ARE allowed in public schools by bringing up the fact that athletes are often led in prayer before/after games and students can freely protest and demonstrate for any cause on the sidewalk.
as a non-us person I actually would envy not being able to pray in school rather than always having to at the beginning and end of every religion class
My mother used to make me go to the movies with her and watch all the God’s Not Dead series like the day they came out (at this point I don’t even know how many there are, but I think she make me see at least 3 of them). While I enjoyed the 1st movie, of course there were some issues I had with it but I found it more moving than the rest (and I probably related more with the main character with me being in Bible college at the time), the others have really gone off the rails. As someone who was raised in a very religious Conservative home but has finally broken away and is more spiritual than religious now and not Conservative at all I really enjoy your coverage of these movies (my mom’s fave actor is David A.R. White & is obsessed with pureflix) your content is so refreshing and hilarious to me when you cover these 😄 please never stop making these Christian content/pureflix reviews ❤️. P.S. I always thought David A.R white was a bad actor and I’ve seen ALL his movies especially the old ones 😂
The Irony in these movies is genuinely amazing The way they portray atheists as these "heartless monsters" that don't care about the deaths of their loved ones. Yet at the end of the first movie, they literally celebrate the professor's death SECONDS after he died Hell, I didn't even help try to save him. They just forced him to accept Christ before he died But atheists are the monsters? In my own personal experiences, When I lost my brothers in an accident at a young age, the only people who were "heartless" about the situation were Christians. According to them, I shouldn't be sad because they were going to heaven It didn't matter that I was never going to see them again It didn't matter that I was just a child and was too young to be dealing with such a tragedy It didn't matter that they were only children whose lives have been tragically cut so short because "it was all just God's plan" And yes, I know that not all Christians say and do s*** like this But too many of them do.
I'd like to think the dude is so homophobic he couldn't eat a banana whole and that is why the cutting the banana and eating it in small bits scene looks so forced. Lol 😂
The ACLU would never take up a case like this. If anything, the ACLU would come down on the other side of the case given their emphasis on free speech. What a stupid movie. 😂
Melissa Joan Hart has spoken up in favor of LGBTQ marriage equality in the past, but she's allied herself with people doing everything to take that right away from us again. I don't know what to make of her telling her son to be cautious of people who aren’t Christian and therefore may not be “good people” back in 2019.
I saw this movie in cinemas. It was just me, my friend (we went for fun) and three elderly ladies, and even now like, six years later, it still makes us laugh to think about how ridiculous it was. Definitely deserves to be seen on the ~big screen~
Lol we had a whole unit in my public middle school where we just talked about different religions (mostly Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) and how they came to be and what their main philosophies were and how they've changed over time and been used by different people. Would blow these writers' minds. Edit: Now that I think about it we definitely also learned about Buddhism and Taoism in school, but I don't remember if that was a different year or not.
Saw this movie in theaters in middle school with my youth group I remember even as a relatively Christian middle schooler, I felt that this movie felt fake persecutiony like 😭😭😭
I HATE when people attribute good health to prayer...My dad was faithful and passed from cancer..are you meaning to tell me he didn't pray enough?....oh no wait, let's tie THAT loose end with "It was just his time" blow me.
If you don't, you should definitely check out Telltale Atheist's channel, he talks a lot about his upbringing as a Jehovahs Witness and how he got out, and is always trying to help people who've been through 'shunning' and tries to raise awareness about that kinda stuff.
@Literature Imp Awesome! I didn't really know how horrible it actually is to have to grow up in that life until I found his channel, I'm sorry you had to go through that. I'm glad you're out though!
I think the worst part of this movie it's the end credits where they list "real cases of persecution" and all of them are "this kid wasn't able to sing a song in their middle school Christmas talent show". There are people being killed out there but somehow the most outrageous thing ever is changing your talent show number last minute
Jesus hasn’t been proven to be a “real” person. The texts talking about him show his character in greatly different lights. I mean, look at the non-canonical gospels and it gets even weirder. His last words on the cross aren’t even the same from the canonical gospels. (Plus, people never talk about his blatant endorsement of slavery lol.) He may of well been a real person, but his character could also be a compilation of various messianic apocalyptic preachers at the time (possibly by the same name, Yeshua). Also, even if real- How much can you manipulate the reality of the person before someone “real” is now fiction? When we know some accounts don’t line up, aren’t real, etc. how do we determine what is actually true? His character could be one that is almost or completely fiction. His “teachings” weren’t that absurd for the time (eg, John the Baptist). We don’t even know who wrote most of the religious texts, the ones concerning Jesus were written by people who didn’t know him and were written roughly 30-100 years after his death. The only non-Christian historical texts that references Jesus is either talking after the death about the “cult” of weird apocalyptic people rising or could have been referencing other people by the same name as it was an incredibly popular name of that time. (Also, yes, people died for the faith in Christianity, but that doesn’t speak to the validity of the claims. People die for the reward of 100 virgins, for their country, in circumstances like some in Jonestown, completely different faiths). If you want to look into more, Bart Erhman is an incredible source and taught me so much after having to drop out of theology after a year due to disability. It’s insane to grow up Catholic your entire life, go to Catholic schools, yet never be taught anything like this. Being fed apologetics over the reality.
i was looking for other early christianity nerds in the comments! i'm no expert by any means, but the whole video i was like 'well there is SOME dispute if there was ever a jesus...'
I guess I am the Christian nerd who showed up. Just kidding. But anyways there is proof and accounts of Jesus before and after his death. I posted an article that talks about who wrote the gospels. The only way to know the truth is to ask God. You have to go to him humbly and without any preconceived notions of who he is. When you lay down your pride and let God show you the truth, you will finally understand. We have to go to God as if he is God. You will never understand Apologetics or scripture until God reveals it to you. So go to him in faith and you will be amazed. If you won't and just want to believe what you think is true, then you will never understand who Jesus was and what he did. Christianity is the only religion that has historical and archeological evidence that lines up with the text of the bible. Check out the cursed tablet they just found at Mt. Ebal. Pretty awesome. It solidifies the text even more now. blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-gematria-of-the-mt-ebal-curse-tablet/
@@gypsylee333 it hasn't but a lot of people just accept that he was real, especially ex christians who don't believe he was magical anymore but haven't even considered he might not be real (it was actually a pretty shocking realization for me when I first saw people seriously arguing he wasn't real as an ex christian)
I love how this would NEVER go past initial phases in litigation. This case would be thrown out immediately because...well...there's no crime committed.
Nick, I don't know how much my sugar daddy needs to pay you but if you could one day cover the lifetime move “The Pregnancy Pact” which is my favorite trashy film from my childhood, I'd be forever in your debt.
it's so absurd to me now seeing this again, that American Evangelicals would be so preachy about non-violence when they're also the majority of right wing gun nuts lol
So I went to seminary and I can tell you that it is not a historically confirmed fact that Jesus was a real person. It is one of the things that put me on a path to deconstruction. I love all of your videos, they are always validating and make me laugh out loud. Thank you!!
I’m late with this comment but also with finding your comment. It irked me how Nick repeatedly insisted this when there are only indications at best that Jesus _could_ have existed. For the unaware atheist, it’s okay to insist that the only “proof” we have comes from the Bible and the Quran.
I was scrolling forever looking for this comment! 😂 A couple years ago I watched a roundtable of Biblical scholars and historians talk about the ways people and events are historically verified (and they explained why / how Jesus fails the test). Even as an atheist, I was so convinced he was a real person that it was honestly really hard for me to let that go. But their arguments were very convincing.
Melissa Joan Hart isn’t just a Christian she’s also a conservative Republican who once used “gay” as an insult so maybe we should walk back some of those compliments.
I worked at a school for years in an area that is politically 50/50. Both staff and students talked about religion all the time. One of the staff members would even say things to students like "Don't steal, because the Bible says not to." and never once was it an issue. We enjoyed Christmas without anyone making some big deal about it being a religious holiday. You know what WAS an issue? Teaching sex education, evolution and kids fearing being persecuted for their sexual orientation because of religious fundamentalists. The less religious tolerated religion because they understood that is what freedom of religion means. The religious had no tolerance for anything else, because their hive mind was so whipped up with persecution like this movie that they saw it everywhere and refused to tolerate anything but their own beliefs.
Thank you for covering these Pure Flix things. Aside from the sheer entertainment, I think it's also important for us non-evangelicals to know what kind of 🦇💩-crazy propaganda our fellow citizens are being indoctrinated with. Because these people will _DEFINITELY_ vote in November.
I'm surprised they didn't step up the punishment of the antagonist at the end with public execution like the atheist in the first movie getting plowed over by a car, hmm guess we'll have to see if they do in the 3rd movie!🤞
A death scene would at least give him something to work with lol. Ray Wise is such a great actor, he's so wasted in this trash. He was fantastic on Twin Peaks & his work as a supporting character in Good Night & Good Luck* was heartbreaking, he's that movie's conscience even tho it's a small role. * David Strathairn, another excellent actor & lead of Good Night & Good Luck, was featured on recent Pure Flix ads on YT --- he's apparently playing "God" in a new Pure Flix. I've been hoping it's odd enough to grab Nick's attention bc I'm so curious what the character of God, as defined by Pure Flix, will be like. I'm also wondering if Wise + Strathairn are evangelicals or if Wise helped his pal out by introducing him to Dave White or what.
Brooke: that’s like how Jesus said to *love your enemy* right? Grace: yes, Jesus said to *love your neighbor* and *hate your enemy* :) rly sayin the quiet part out loud huh?
“Treating a witness as hostile” is a term used in direct examination of a witness, but it usually refers to a lawyer engaging in direct examination being allowed to ask leading questions. Leading questions are usually forbidden in direct examination. It definitely does not mean you are allowed to scream at your own client until she starts crying.
12:54 No lie, I worked with this girl who was ALWAYS happy, and down for anything. And even won the "Sunshine Award" at work, and just smiled at a bee that was CRAWLING ON HER FINGERS. I thought it was natural, but come to find out, she takes happy pills. I don't know what kind though. But I gotta resist asking, because I want whatever she's on.
Bees are chill though. Especially bumblebees. Sometimes in the spring you'll see them on the ground acting kind of drowsy because they're cold. If you let them hop on your hand they will warm up a bit and fly off. It's cute.
@@mothturtle7897 Aw, sweet! Thanks! I'll try that if I see them in those circumstances. Bees are rad --- I love when their little "leg baskets" of pollen get full & the fact researchers are learning the meanings of bee waggle-dances blows my mind. Oh gosh...what would Nick say about the Bee Movie? Now I'm curious!
I find it so funny that there's literally a "don't say gay" bill and they're all for it (not saying it's all Christians obviously, most of them are very kind, there's just a deafeningly loud minority), but show them a movie like this where the reverse is true and they feel attacked. If anything this should help them put things into perspective.
I’m liberal and I have no problem at all with people keeping strong to their faith just so long as they are not trying to force you to agree by making you stay at school in detention writing god is alive and Christianity is truth. If you understand your beliefs are probably not the same as mine, we can live together happily. You do you. I’ll do me.
Nick I feel like you’re simultaneously my BFF and my collage professor. Like we’re giggling and talking shit, but im also learning so much about the nuances of set design.
I'm so glad you're talking about this movie series. I was 13 and deeply engrained in the religious community when the first one came out and I was just starting to figure out that maybe I was transgender and maybe I would have to figure out how that fit into my borderline alt-right religious homeschool community. A whole group of us went to see the movie and everyone was crying, texting their friends at the end. At the time, I didn't even disagree with the messaging or really understand why the offensive parts rubbed me the wrong way, but it was the first time I watched a movie and had the mental ability to say, "I think that was poorly made and my dislike of it is deeper than just not enjoying the plot." That started my whole interest in media criticism and has really shaped me as a person and now professionally. These videos have really validated my 13 year old self lol
It's crazy that this teacher is portrayed as being persecuted for genuinely answering a student's question when I had a teacher in high school who lectured us on her pro life beliefs and faced no consequences. It's almost as though these people are making up incredibly unrealistic situations in order to victimize themselves and push their agendas but who's to say really 🤔
"All that and a bad haircut" is 100% a phrase I will be stealing (and by stealing I mean, thinking silently to myself & chuckling as if I had spoken out loud)
I’d love to see you do God’s Not Dead 3! Your pureflix and Christian media reviews are some of my ABSOLUTE FAVORITES!! It makes my little gay agnostic heart so happy. More please omg!!💕
The "God is Dead" quote is so real in this movie it hurts. I have no idea how far they'll twist the Bible. "Love thy neighbor" Them: I think I read this wrong, I think it means hate non Christians. Oh the irony
“..im not gonna spend my entire life denying myself worldly pleasures like casual sex and gossiping about thy neighbor - thy neighbor is annoying and it begs to be discussed”
At the same time it annoys me when some Christians say the Bible isn't anti-gay because "love thy neighbour" Like, your book literally says I should be killed People will project their personal morality onto religion for better or for worse
The thing that gets me is... if god is an idea/belief/omnipotent deity/whatever, how can he be dead?? These movies don't make any seeeeeense. But I guess they do help (American) Christians feel persecuted, so!
I always kinda took it to mean "He's gone, he's forsaken us, we're screwed" but in this movie, it seems like they're trying to imply that Christianity is no longer trendy?
Isn’t it a quote from philosopher Frederich Nietzsche )? “God is Dead” meant in a metaphorical sense that would be cherry picked by this crowd as an example of how academia is hostile to Christianity
I love when the evil lawyer (Laura Palma's father from Twin Peaks) is like "if she can quote Jesus in the Bible then what's to stop another teacher quoting Mohammed in the Quran?"
As I became an atheist, my husband went further down the “rabbit hole”. When he started parroting O’Reilly’s’ “They’re trying to get rid of Christmas. No more Merry Xmas.’’ Asked him to show me one example. I will let you know when it happens. 3 years and counting.
gonna be a bit of a contrarian and say there is SOME debate over whether or not there was ever a historical figure of jesus, but it gets very nerdy very fast- you have to deal with the question of how we know anyone from history actually existed, and the credibility of sources from 1900 years ago. it's definitely controversial to say there was never even a human called jesus, but some people do argue for it!
Pushing on someone's abdomen is actually a pretty good test for appendicitis. (If you know what you're doing) Sure we need to confirm with tests but for once the movie wasn't way off. It's a real thing. Lol
