@JPuncut Are the words "adoption as sons" in Ephesians 1:5 referring to justification or glorification? Ephesians 1:5 NKJV [5] having predestined us to👉 adoption as sons👈 by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,
@yyunos Exactly! I literally couldn't even finish this, though. Luca was one of the most arrogant, condescending people I have ever heard speak in my life. He's the sole reason I stopped watching.
First of all Jonh 17:1-5 --- this is a prayer but the KEY is verse 5 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. "Christ did his role on earth and now returns to HIS glory with the Father before the world existed - this is why he came down and humbled himself
I’m watching this after the livestream was finished and I’ve never seen three grown men (the ones at the top) be so uncomfortable having to deal with the text like they are 😂. The text is kryptonite to them.
That dude Luca is a straight-up child. He can't answer Avery, so he throws a hissy fit, then a bunch of assertions about semantics, and then sits back in his chair, pouting and playing with his lighter. Absolutely childish.
1:32:26 Revelation 19:11-13 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God."
This is what happens when you think you know what God is. Yeshua was granted all authority and we have to go through Yeshua to be with the father in paradise. Then we follow and praise Yeshua and do his wiil period. 1❤
Luca: I can't answer a single question so I'll just say "this is silly" to every argument and text presented. Luca gets 'disqualified' from discussion: No wait guys, please...not cool :(
All I can say there will be a lot of confessing,bowing and worshipping at the name of Jesus to the glory of God the Father.... That Jesus is Lord.... imagine that scene. Then being asked by the Father ,"Is Jesus God?"..
@dahokage1043 neither did God share his glory with jesus "my glory I give not to another" or with the israelites who beheld his glory at sinai but the apostles beheld the glory of the only begotten son ful of grace and truth..stop it.
are u sure? Isaiah 9:6 is pretty clear, and the Targums solidify the Jewish understanding; Messiah is YHWH in Flesh & by definitionis Eternal. @@oete9259
Triun God made simple: McDonald's = restaurant+employees+supplies+corporation+logo+uniforms ≈ God (1) = Father+Son+Holy Spirit. (better metaphors available upon request). They take on different tasks but are one. Limiting God because it doesn't make sense is NOT a reason to pretend the Lord was clear in his message.
I absolutely love panel discussions, but it's hard to follow when everyone wants to chime in. 2 people on each side of the conversation would be more fruitful (including the moderator if he is going to speak). There was no control in this video, and much disrespect from supposed christians who love to throw around the heretic card.
Isaiah 6:1 In the year that King Uzziah died I saw the Lord sitting upon a throne, HIGH AND LIFTED UP; and the train of his robe filled the temple. Isaiah 52:13 ESV Behold, my servant shall act wisely; he shall be HIGH AND LIFTED UP, and shall be exalted." Isaiah 57:15 God is HIGH AND LIFTED UP. He lives forever. His name is holy. Notice how God is called High and Lifted up, in Isaiah 6 and 57 Isaiah 6 being one of the cited verses, then Isaiah 52 during the suffering servant says that he will be high and lifted meaning that the Servant is God so there's no excuse to this and says "he lives forever" The same thing Jesus says in Revelation 1:18 "and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades."
No I have seen much worse, this was definally a trinitarian whooping on the unitarian side. This was unbearable at many points and JPUNCUT should have muted the Luca guy like 40+ times but still a JP fan and GL is a master at bring the smoke to the Muslims and Luca brought his own smoke as he did not want none of the smoke from GL literally [ !!! ] Look at this beautiful symbolism as ! = father + ! = son + ! = Holy spirit.
Haha Unitarians read it has it is, trinitarians have interpretation issue. Just show new where the words Jesus said he was God, show me the word god is three persons , show me Trinity. If any trinitarian can she me this EXACT words , then let’s debate
It’s crazy how the devil can even misconstrue the truth within Christianity. This is how much he doesn’t want us to know the truth. God bless you Avery and Alex for exposing these lies.
I mean satan is another god... the second god christians and muslims believe in. they say their is only one god while granting satan god like qualities. I mean satan is defiantly more of a god than I. Like you said, he is able to misconstrue christianity. even I can't do that on mass scale. satan is indeed the god of this world like the bible says. I bet you didn't know you believe in more than one god... :)
@@umarmujaahid1136 Nah Bro, Christ is using Sam to his full patentional, Christ wasnt a weakling, he Put Alota Ppl in their Place, called them sons Of The Devil, when it came to Truth, Jesus didnt shy away from Saying how it is, and Being Very Harsh! Thats all Sam is Doing, speaking Harsh Facts! When its deserved.
Jesus didn't explain many things, his answers were made to make the people and disciples think, like using metaphors, but he literally says be baptized in the "NAME" not in the names, singular god but 3 in 1, remember God is not like anything in creation, he said in the "name" of the father, the son and holy spirit 🤷🏻♂️ @John_Robard
What a coward… Luca “this is absurd to think that’s this is Yahweh in Isaiah 6”. Someone reads Isaiah 6, and it literally says Yahweh. 😂😂. What a coward.
@@JudeOne3Four you should spend a bit more time studying mathematics, logic, and the trinity. Your question contains a category error. And so the answer can actually be yes. I will explain. The trinity is not three gods equaling one God. It is three persons in one God. A mother and a father and a child make one family. Three people in one family. Is it illogical to say that one plus one plus one equals one, with that context? If you think yes, then I'm not the person to try and teach you otherwise, and best of luck to you. If a book has three chapters, then one, plus one, plus one, equals one book. The illustrations of this basic truth are everywhere. So if you can see that three people can equal one family, then you should hopefully see that your example of logic was simplistic, and not an equivalent example to what is meant by the trinity. Now, you answer my questions: What is 1x1x1? Is God finite, or infinite?
Can you be a father without having a son ? Or you are a father at the same time your son is born. So God was always the Father before Jesus so there must of been always a Son.
@@JudeOne3Four You make so many fallacious assumptions. You assume unitarianism, and then you argue unitarianism. Jesus calls the Father "the only true God." You then assume that "only the Father is the true God," which is not what the Lord Jesus said. The word "only" modifies the word "true," which in turn modifies "God." You wrongly read into the text the word "only" as modifying "Father," which it does not. You assume that the true God can only be one person. Yet, Jesus is also called the "true God" in 1 John 5. "20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. (ESV)." Contextually and grammatically, Jesus is the antecedent in view here referred to as the "true God." In addition, the Lord Jesus is identified as "God over all" in Romans 9. " 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." Further, the Father is called "God our Savior" in 1 Timothy 1:1, yet Jesus Christ is called "our God and Savior" in 2 Peter 1 and "our great God and Savior" in Titus 2:13. In Isaiah 43, Yahweh proclaims unequivocally, "10...Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. 11 I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior." Over and over, the Bible indicates more than one co-existing persons as the one true God (Yahweh). You assume that, since you are uni-personal, God then must also be uni-personal. By that same logic, God cannot be omnipresent since you are not omnipresent. God cannot be sinless since you are not without sin. Do you now see your fallacy?
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now father, glorify me your presence with the glory I had with you before the world begun.
Bro was only pointing out that you didn't write the whole chapter. Read the whole of the chapter Jude and you might understand. Anyway if god was capable of making man and everything on earth and everything we can see around us and know, then why couldn't he create or manifest himself in a flash and blood form on the planet of life that he created?
@@JudeOne3FourExactly, He did manifest himself on earth. Can we actually see heaven? What is it with all you guys obsession with going to that one chapter and one small verse in John. I just pointed out word for word what's actually written. Jesus right after our Father. Try to read the whole book. It might actually make more sense to you. Jude isn't a verse either it's a chapter by the way if you actually try reading the whole book. We can go further too if you like, Jesus is the Messiah yes?... So when he returns, where do you think he is gonna be returning from?
@@JudeOne3Four You make so many fallacious assumptions. You assume unitarianism, and then you argue unitarianism. Jesus calls the Father "the only true God." You then assume that "only the Father is the true God," which is not what the Lord Jesus said. The word "only" modifies the word "true," which in turn modifies "God." You wrongly read into the text the word "only" as modifying "Father," which it does not. You assume that the true God can only be one person. Yet, Jesus is also called the "true God" in 1 John 5. "20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life. (ESV)." Contextually and grammatically, Jesus is the antecedent in view here referred to as the "true God." In addition, the Lord Jesus is identified as "God over all" in Romans 9. " 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen." Further, the Father is called "God our Savior" in 1 Timothy 1:1, yet Jesus Christ is called "our God and Savior" in 2 Peter 1 and "our great God and Savior" in Titus 2:13. In Isaiah 43, Yahweh proclaims unequivocally, "10...Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. 11 I, I am the LORD, and besides me there is no savior." Over and over, the Bible indicates more than one co-existing persons as the one true God (Yahweh). You assume that, since you are uni-personal, God then must also be uni-personal. By that same logic, God cannot be omnipresent since you are not omnipresent. God cannot be sinless since you are not without sin. Do you now see your fallacy?
Luca is a bad faith debater. Not enjoyable at all. I wouldn’t be too terribly upset if I never heard him spaz in uncontrollable emotional fits of rudeness ever again.
@@JudeOne3FourAncient Catholicism is real Christianity, yes we reformed see ourselves as part of the real catholic(universal) church also known as the body of Christ from Saint Augustine’s time. Rome departed from the catholic(lower case “c”) faith a long time ago. If you don’t hold to the Nicene,Athanasian,Chalcedonian and Apostles’ creeds, you are outside the body of Christ.
John 8:55-56,58 KJ21 Yet ye have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I should say, 'I know Him not,' I shall be a liar like unto you. But I know Him and keep His saying. [56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; and He saw it and was glad." [58] Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am!" Who is I AM???
Exodus 3:14. Understand these passages in context and you'll see what Jesus is referring to. Don't read to disprove or argue. Seek the answers in truth and God will reveal himself and his revelations to you@@incorruptibleword4513
@@incorruptibleword4513 Bro thats ONE instance where its in your face that He is God. Even if youre iffy about this one, putting it together with all the rest shows your the whole puzzle, and thats where youre stuck on.
This is what the Lord says- Israel’s King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God. 7 Who then is like me? Let him proclaim it. Let him declare and lay out before me what has happened since I established my ancient people, and what is yet to come- yes, let them foretell what will come. 8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one.” 9 All who make idols are nothing, and the things they treasure are worthless. Those who would speak up for them are blind;
The opening scripture for the Unitarian was Ephesians one, Ephesians one is a trinitarian early church hymn. 😂 Three verses on the Father, Son and Holy Spirit and a chorus after each one: Verse 6: “to the praise of His glorious grace” Verse 12: “for the praise of His glory” Verse 14: “to the praise of His glory” The Trinity is right in front of him all throughout the scripture. I pray he awakens to who God really is.
The three Unitarian Guys need to go do so research, their arguments are too basic and lack substance. That Luca guy all he does is shout and keeps interfering GL and Alex
Luca is pride in the flesh manifest. just listen to this guy pontificate like he's some scholar 1:18:20 😂. If you want a good laugh just listen to that speech, i was crying laughing, i got to clip this.
@@JudeOne3Four The Nicean Creed, the very first sentence: “I believe in one God the Almighty Father…” I don’t know about you, but I believe in one God the Father. That God communicates that very same single Divinity to the second Person that God begets and the third Person that proceeds from God.
@@JudeOne3Four Jesus is constantly portrayed and identified in the Gospels with YHWH. And there is also an significant amount of ancient Jews that spoke about a multiplicity in God. Of course the term person isn’t found in Scripture, but the term person is used to explain a concept that is definitely found in Scripture. I’m not a Roman-Catholic btw.
John doesn't say it's Is 6 because they qoute from text not chapters and verses because they read from scrolls that were not divided up into chapters and verses.
@@Teamgirls27 I think she agrees, i think shes saying that John didnt say " in Isaiah chapter 6 " because there were no such thing as chapters yet, therefore John didnt have more room to be more explicit about which instance he was referring to.
No he’s actually close to making sense, you think the popular doctrine of this world is the truth? The Most High gave His word to the Israelites alone and the heathens hijacked the Scriptures to teach y’all these false doctrines.
Isiah 9;6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The MIGHTY GOD, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The unitarians looked like deer in headlights when you guys started going through Hebrews. So sad. I'm praying for them to wake up and come to the truth.
Isaiah 44:6-8 NKJV [6] “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God. [7] And who can proclaim as I do? Then let him declare it and set it in order for Me, Since I appointed the ancient people. And the things that are coming and shall come, Let them show these to them. [8] Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ” I Corinthians 10:4 NKJV [4] and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. Revelation 1:8 NKJV [8] “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:11, 17 NKJV [11] saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.” [17] And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
"“Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am " I LOVE this verse this shows any anti trinitarian that the Lord Jesus Christ is GOD. How is God the King of Israel and HIS Redeemer the Lord of Hosts speaking in a singular fashion as " I am, and Me " lol
What trinitarians forget (or are ignorant about) is Gods justice under the mosaic law, and that God declares a false balance to be an abomination....cont
...God has shown mankind what is true justice and it is an exact balance eye for eye tooth for tooth and most important of all " life for life" an exact equivalent life of that which transgressed divine justice...
Trinity is a mystery. The Holy Spirit will help us to reveal this mystery. We believe in trinity because Jesus is Lord, king, Messiah and everything. All athourity in heaven and on earth has given to him. Jesus Christ is God. ❤❤❤
DO NOT FEATURE LUCA AGAIN HE WAS VERY RUDE!! Playing with lighters yawning sleeping being funny and not listening. Regardless of right or wrong be here to make points to be valid and be respectful of others who are talking.. this dude will get no where in life acting like that
God through Apostle John saw this coming, and wrote the Book of John that Jesus Christ is God and the Trinity.☝️🙏☺️ Reading the Books Genesis, Psalm, Daniel, Isaiah and others...
They said 'Jesus can't be god chronologically' & 'John's gospel supports us'.... My question is, who created all things according to John? and Who made the flesh Jesus inhabited? Claiming "logical impossibilities" and using John's gospel which proves Jesus created His own body, destroys their own argument about chronology.
They would say that YHWH created all things by His divine plan, the Word. They would say that God's active power, the Holy Spirit, made the flesh that Jesus inhabited. I'm a Trinitarian, but that's what they would say, I think.
@@JudeOne3Four We believe The Son is of the SAME DIVINE ESSENCE as The Father and The Holy Spirit. However, in terms of authority, The Son is subordinate to The Father, because The Son EMPTIED Himself to become FLESH and submitted His will to The Father.
51:50 if you can not be "the only true God and the one that the only true God sent" then the Lord (standing on earth as a man) could not rain brimstone and fire on Sodam and Gomorrah, from the Lord out of the heavens. But uhh-ohh thats exactly what Genesis 19:24 says.
This is what things look like when you have people that try to read and interpret the Bible without the Author ( Holy Spirit) , but with their intellect.
This is unitarians "no the verse doesn't say mean that I want it to mean something else because I don't like what it means waaa" Luca crying when he can't speak but he thinks a debate is just talking over people and that's how you win 😂
@@sethsuleiman4419 simple answer to that is monarchia. Also isn’t it literally true in the Filioque view to so unless we’re gonna ignore the clear divinity of Christ. Then it’s kinda dumb how this heresy is still alive even if we grant one true God in hebrews 1 the 1 true God affirms Christ is God so it literally affirms the concept of True God from True God. Therefore making Christ God
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha In john 17:3, jesus defined eternal life saying, “This is eternal life, that they (the believers) may know you (the father), the only true god snd jesus whom you (the father) have sent". Is it not jesus saying that the father is the only god?
@@KyrieEleisonMaranatha I am with you that there is only one god; ie. the father. And, jesus? A man, approve of god (as in acts 2:22) and sent by god (as in john 17:3).
@@southern_star394 the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3 *distinct* persons, one uncreated divine essence. The Father is not the the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father.
Trinity is illogical but when we have 100 trinitarians against 100 unitarians, we have the 100 trinitarians having ONE understanding and explanation for a particular scripture and 101 understanding and explanation from the unitarians. Does anyone know why? Because there is NO universal lie but the universal truth.
