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I like the similiarities mentioned between Trina, Gloam Eyed Queen and Godwyn. I feel like some people try to connect Miquella, Godwyn, Trina and The Gloam Eyed Queen too much. The similiarities doesn't mean these characters are connected or they are the same people or something like that. I feel like Radagon/Marika connection really opened pandora's box for a lot of people. Miquella tried to give a better life to everyone, tried to bring back Godwyn but had to realize that's not possible within the current order of the world. Trina had to be left behind, because she didn't wanted Miquella's ascension. I find it interesting that the cross before stone coffin fissure cross (in Cerulean Coast) marks Miquella's doubt that he left behind. I feel like the similarities between the Gloam Eyed Queen, St. Trina and Godwyn are all connected by death. The Gloam Eyed Queen had the power of the god-slaying flame, possibly an enforcer of Destined Death (The role that Maliketh took over). Godwyn is the prince of death, born of the corruption and the contradiction of the Golden Order. The forces of nature will take a corruptive form even if they can't be part of the order. We see this with Formless Mother, Frenzied Flame, Scarlet Rot and with death itself through Godwyn's Deathblight. St.Trina I think fits because her stronger power (eternal sleep) is effectively death. Sleep is just death being shy. These concepts are all connected by the motif of still water, foul water, stagnant water. That's why water is such a commonly reoccurring theme in Elden Ring. Tibia Mariners, Godwyn's disfigured body having a fishtail, lake of rot, fissure depths filled with water, Basilisks (avatars of Godwyn) being amphibians...
Something came to mind when you mentioned 'like a cancer'. I discourage you from doing an image search on what I'm about to say, but there is a type of tumour called teratoma that generates its own hair, teeth and, you guessed it, eyes. It's quite revolting. Addition: people are looking it up anyway and regretting doing so. You have been warned.
That reminds me of what STEM cells do before they become the cells the make up hair, teeth, bone or skin. Maybe his physical body is constantly making these kind of STEM cells just constantly going through a birth (of cells) sorts
If you're wondering why Godwyn's arms are in that position, its because that's the pose he was killed in. You can see it in the intro cinematic, Godwyn being held up by the black knives as they carve the death rune into his back
I've been puzzling over this since release! Yet here you are, and it now seems so obvious! Thanks for this post, this is good for the head-canon. Another thing I note is the pose's similarities to the pose of the Curse Blades in the DLC. I mistook them as being Godwyn-related when Fromsoft released the promo image of a Curseblade warrior. I wonder if it's a coincidence, or is it more than that?
Sure, but he was buried with full honours. Did the officials not bother changing the position of his body to something more dignified? Or was the rigor-mortis so instant that they couldn't? The story trailer shows his arms in a different position lying on the floor anyway.
Not a huge discovery by any means, but it occurs to me that Godwyn is part shaman, which might explain why his corpse was able to infiltrate the roots of the Erdtree as well as it has.
At this point you can take this and apply to anyone that came from Marika now. Rykard too probably. It's not because divinity powers, it's because shaman. Shaman shaman shaman.
Godwyn is one of the few things in Miyazaki's games that legitimately terrify me. His design is so otherworldly and foreign, it evokes my fight or flight response lol.
I also have a hard time thinking of a character in FromSoft’s entire catalogue that has suffered a worse fate. Seriously, this is something that should have been reserved for a truly deplorable individual, not for someone whom the lore portrays as tolerant and heroic.
1st time seeing this lad make me scared so much. From a far I only see "something" with scale, and then I get closer and notice that its a giant fish fin and then "what the hell?! Why is it so big? Its a mermaid?!" I was terrified to fight it, its not gallant like Midir or Kalameet, its so disgusting and contorted. Making a u-turn and then gain 5 more level in vigor I was so dissapointed I ended up with Fia gank fight.
I always found the most unnerving part of finding Godwyn for the first time is the fact that when you walk into the large obvious arena before him, he's completely deathly still... like normally when you see something that monstrous just waiting for you in a souls game, your first thought is "a boss cutscene is about to play here..." and then... nothing. Fromsoft subverting my expectations like a boss.
I teally wish they had made Godwyn's head and eyes followed you a little bit. His body was still alive after all, just didn't contain a soul. Those who live in death definitely follow your movements, so if Godwyn had done that, he would been far more disturbing.
Godwyn doesn't have a soul yet, but the skeletons you fight do. Their souls have not been processed by the Erdtree, but are instead pushed back into their skeletal bodies. You have to destroy their physical remains somehow to keep them down, because you're leaving the soul without a vessel to animate. Fia is trying to create a powerful soul using the "warmth of champions" in order to give Godwyn's new body a chance at life.
One thing I rarely see talked about is the presence of Godwyn's growth in the environs of Farum Azula. The theory I've maintained is that Farum Azula used to be the brace of the Erdtree while it grew, like Elphael was for the Haligtree. In honoring the alliance between the Golden Lineage and the dragons, a great deal of cultural cross-pollination took place, observable in fighting techniques to the capital's dragon cult. Following Godwyn's assassination, and "ascension" to being the Prince of Death, his corruption then spread to Farum Azula, and in a last-ditch effort to stem the tide, the city was broken free of the Erdtree and held aloft in the vortex created by Placidusax. It was, of course, too little, too late, and the ruins are now infested by skeletal beast-men, and the "uprooted" Wormfaces. The evidence is scattered across the map, pieces of the city that fell to earth in its passage out over open sea. We've all dashed across the remains at one point or other, with barely a thought.
12:50 There’s a video by DondonRV where he goes over the Design Works of Elden Ring. I can’t speak for his sources but at about (8:16:32) there are slides that confirm it’s “wind erosion” that’s causing a lot of the damage on Stormveil and it’s backed up by many things, biggest one being the winds always traveling east making direct contact with the Western Wall of Stormveil, where most of the mottling and thorns can be found. These “winds” conveniently travel towards Farum Azula where the Tornadoes are and this is why damage is always focused on the western facing parts of buildings, gates, walls, etc. Nepheli when she talks about Godrick states “he’s tainted the very winds” because of his grafting and I assume this is why all the exiles wear hoods that cover their faces with even the 1.0 claiming it prevents the “curse”(corrupted winds) from “slipping inside”. Another piece of evidence is the environment in the Chapel of Anticipation where you see the same thorns manifesting and the trees bending east. I strongly believe this is why the Chapel is standing on a tall cliff with it deteriorating from the winds that originate in that direction with Stormveil likely meeting the same fate down the road. The Marred Leather Shield of course alludes to Godwyn being the source of the curse and it would make sense because he is know to spread corruption and was a lightning wielder, paralleling the firstborn Nameless King figure from Dark Souls 3 in many ways(firstborn son who befriended the dragons and began a cult) and also influenced the storm which is likely what Godwyn is doing in his half-state. This is also why you find so many Godwyn items/monuments near Stormcaller Church Imo. Godrick is stated to “inherit his Great Rune” and my current theory is he grafted a piece of Godwyn and thus allowing him to inherit the Great Rune that was originally intended for him and explain why he’s able to do storm attacks which even Godfrey is unable to.
Theres a heavy connection between eyes and the deathroot, obviously. But more like the eyes are the source of the deathroot. If pieces of Godwyn were taken to where each of the cadavers are found, then the reason they don't have deathroot surrounding them is because they dont have the eyes. Gurranq gives the tarnished a "Beast Eye" that trembles when they get near deathroot. In the story trailer, there is a whole shot that focuses on Godwyn's eyes after his soul is killed. The basilisks that spew death blight have large false eyes that resemble Godwyn's. I think the reason eyes were chosen to be the symbol of deathblight is because of the saying "eyes are the window to the soul" and Gowyns kinda doesnt have one anymore. His eyes are a window directly into a void. Given, this doesnt explain everything, such as why the wormfaces can spew deathblight. But one thing I noticed thanks to this video is that the wormface's worms look a lot like the "worms" that make up the deathroot branches. And in the story trailer, you can see a bunch of worms or maggots moving under Godwyn's skin towards his eyes. Anyway, those are just my thoughts. Feel free to talk about them if you want. or let me know if the whole community already knows this as I am new to the Elden Ring scene.
I wonder if the blood-like substance could be fresh root resin. Root resin seems connected by its color to the Crucible, and so does Godwyn's transformation.
i think is a fish tail like a merman, siren etc, he must have some connections with water creatures, thats would explain why he infects the crabs and the deathroots cities we have that boss in a boat
There is definitely some connection with the purple. Sleeping Fia - Saint Trina - Flower - Poison - Saint Romina of the Bud - Rot - Many unrotted Basilisks in Lake of Rot - Centipede on Romina - Destined Death mark - GEQ
Same, in fact it reminds me of the Caterpillar Mask (Hornsent's mask), the lore of which reads, "Grotesque mask constructed from countless solidified caterpillars. A ritual implement of the greater potentates of Bonny Village. Used to ward off thoughts of impurity, doubt, temptation, and other wickednesses one is vulnerable to while absorbed in divine ritual." Even though it calls them caterpillars, they look almost identical to the maggots on the deathblight roots. It may be a mistranslation, or it may be a clue, or just a thematic parallel, since caterpillars, like maggots, transform into flying creatures too. And we saw in Elphael all of those unhatched cocoons everywhere. Plus you've got Malenia, who becomes a winged butterfly-looking goddess after "hatching" from her rot flower bloom for the third time.
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Maybe the weirdness with the facial features is explained by how halibut can change their eyes around to lay flat. Since they're going with a fish theme and all.
I just noticed his eyes look like an eclipse. Specifically his pupils. In normal eyes, you have the iris with a pupil in the middle where the iris ends, but in Godwyn's case, there are white circles around the pupil. Together, the white circle around the pupil gives me an impression of a solar eclipse, with the moon completely covering the sun and just the tiniest outline of the sun peeking from behind the moon.
Stormveil thorns look a lot like the thorns of Radagon that block the entrance of the Erdtree and I haven't seen anyone talking about the similarities and what it would convey
Not a lot of people notice that but you’re right they’re exactly similar. I’ll admit there’s something weird about out Radagon and Godwyn in how similar they seem to look. I know the timeline implies these two are far apart but I can’t help but feel the line gets blurred with these two for me personally. At first it was simply by the way Radagon looks similar to Godwyn(or what glimpses we see of him). The Stormcaller Church is one of the biggest headscratchers because everything surrounding it is connected to Godwyn(dragon cult items and the monument detailing the routing of the dragons) yet there stands a statue of Radagon. That statue also has golden hair(all of Radagons statues have golden hair I think). The way Radagon and Godwyn are dressed is similar too and halfway into his health bar, Radagon begins to use golden spears in the style of a lightning user which is peculiar since that was Godwyn’s trademark with Golden Lightning. He teleports as lightning, which is what Godwyns knights are able to do(they wear the same sash/skirts) and he uses the Storm Stomp AOW.
@@puzzleheaded6195 Remember though; Radagon _is_ Marika. Anything he's linked to can link to her and vice versa i'd imagine as such. (though i am out of my depth on how it would all connect together. I'm mostly relegated to repeating the knowledge i've picked up.)
About the marine-apparance of Godwyn, two are the main point. First, in Elden Ring (And Bloodborne) Spirit, Afterlife and Cosmos are connected to water. (Loretta's ash appear on a giant water-mirror, Ranni's spell of Rennala appear on a giant sea with a moon, Elden Beast on a giant pond, ancient spirits stay in a sort of swamp, etc etc) Godwyn is souless, it's an abomination, alive but no soul, stagnant, and stagnant water turns into a corrupted swamp. Second motive, connected to the first, Miyazaki loves the idea of Marine-Apparance to show a corruption for stagnation. Remember Aldritch from DS3? Depth are a corruption of stagnant Darkness and it generates disgusting insects (All Dark generate insects, but while normal Dark generates Cicadas and Butterfly, the ones we find in the Ringed City, Depth generate Worms, Parasites and Flies, insects considered very bad in Japanese colture), in Depth Cathedral they worship a lake of Darkness, and Aldritch soul talks about Age of Deep Sea. Same concept here. P.s: Fun fact, Sleep and Death a lot of times are considered correlated, like the brothers Hypnos and Thanatos. And, well,Dlc literally Kill us when we sleep,. P.p.s: "Outer Gods are lovecraftian god-aliens!1!1!1" Godwyn here is the most lovecraftian thing. Literally Death can't even save you from a bad respawn.
Considering the color purple is described to be the true color of ghostflame long ago, according to the item description of those purple grave flowers, I have to wonder if the purple around Godwyn's corpse has more to do with that than the purple miasma of St Trinia's sleep (unless there's a parallel to be drawn between sleep & the old system of death). Considering the current color of ghostflame is more of a blue tone, and the color of destined death is red (what Marika removed from the Elden Ring), it makes me wonder if she split the "purple" of death by taking destined death (red) out of the equation, leaving it blue.
I think it is important to mention that Godwyn and Stormveil / Mountaintops, is the motif of thorns from Shadow of the Erdtree, being a symbol of darkness that grows from suppressing the truth. Godwyn, Marika, and the blood star are all emblematic of violent suppression of the unwanted; Godwyn himself being a manifestation of Marika's curse, like her other children. I think this was Godwyn's fate, Princess Ranni just happened to be in the right position to carry it out. That invites further questions about the cosmos, starlight, and Ranni's place in the greater cosmic plan that not even she can control.
Finally, FINALLY, someone who talks about this! The numerous eyes protruding around the Prince of Death's Throne are difficult or nigh impossible to view properly in-game. I'm surprised no one talked about this beforehand, but finally you detailed it, thanks Zayf!
The best word to describe Godwyns body and surrounding is mesmerizing. I always leaned towards this kind of places in games, which are fully open to player yet are undeniably mysterious and uncanny.
The wormy roots are very similar looking to the hornsent's mask, which is made of "caterpillars" that supposedly ward off impure thoughts, and then of course there are the worm faces, who seem like corrupted potentates or something.
Loved that you mentioned Bloodborne, because since I found Godwyn for the first time, he felt like a Kos/Kosm from Elden Ring. A considered sacred body (Godwyn was curseless, perfect, golden demigod) so abused and explored by others to their own goals, robbing them their agency to death and birthing a curse. Kosm gave us the Orphan, while Godwyn gave us deathblight and the whole TWLID problem. They were both connected to water, with fishy features. Beyond that, their corpses and death are triggering events for tragedies. And as you, I am also pretty obsessed with Godwyn. And how his curse features also remind of Messmer's. Not only the animalistic features (snakes and fish) but eyes and hair growing in weird places (the abyssal serpent carries Messmer's features like basiliks or crabs carry Godwyn's), scales growing in their skin (such as in those eyes you showed or Messmer's own skin after breaking the seal). And what gets me most is the Prince of Death's flames. The flames we see in Eclipse Shotel and wielded by Mausoleum Knights. It's called his flames, as if he could also produce them, like Messmer and Melina.
The dreadful Eyes of Death spread disaster across neighboring worlds. Phantoms lured to the host world may end up as victims, allowing the Eyes of Death to multiply, and leading to further proliferation of bane. -Eye of Death Item description, Dark Souls 1
The connection between Godwyn and St Trina is Fate. Godwyn was fated to become a Martyr for Destined Death as the Deeproot Death Finger Crone says. He was fated to be the first of the Demigods to die and become the Death Prince. I think this is why he seemingly allowed himself to be killed by the Black Knives without much of a fight. No one anticipated that he would die by this half-death. Those who live in Death exist in a state of eternal life but through their souls animating dead things. St Trina was supposed to be Miquella's fate. She would have been a God capable of spreading her Eternal Sleep throughout the Lands Between essentially granting a form of Eternal Death to anyone that drinks it but without them needing to physically die. This eternal sleep manifests though her directly as her nectar. Nectar is something a flower or tree uses to attract INSECTS to pollinate it. This form of Death would have been perfect for Those Who Live in Death. Many people speculated that Godwyn was Miquella's original consort and that the events at Castle Sol were meant to bring back his "comrade" (Godwyn) so he could fulfill that role. I think this was true in terms of Fate but Miquella and Ranni rejected their fates which resulted in Radahn being the consort and Godwyn being killed in a way that was not intended, leaving him useless as a consort.
I love this idea. Trina would have been the perfect partnership or counter for those who live in death... Those who live in death are often accompanied by swarms of bugs too. None of us wanted to take the spirit at castle sol at his word when he said they failed to return Godwyn with the eclipse. We hoped we would get to see him animated.
I'm still convinced that From intended Godwyn to be the og consort with an eclipse event, but they didn't meet shareholder deadlines, so they scrapped a huge chunk of the lore during development (mainly Miquella's part as Messmer's seems fine - they merged 2 DLCs, keep in mind). So, areas were left unfinished, and enemies got misplaced, so they chose Radahn for the retcon. (E.g. Death Knights get 'rune buffs' like normal enemies do, i.e they weren't meant to be catacomb bosses but common enemies.)
If, as the Telescope's item description might imply, the Elden Ring was restricting fate while intact, then it might not have had any influence over what happened to Godwyn. The premiere trailer similarly notes that the Elden Ring commanded the stars. Nothing implies that Godwyn let himself die either, just that the Black Knife Assassins were highly efficient with their lethal ambush. The Finger Reader at the Deeproot Depths never mentions fate, just that Godwyn becoming undead is a humiliation. Regarding Trina, her nectar only changed to become hazardous after Miquella maimed her and left her to die. Trina's natural state really does just relate to sleep, and her post-injury nectar is very much actually lethal, not figuratively so. While Miquella sought to help Godwyn, nothing suggests he was acting for any reason other than stopping the suffering of those subjected to the Death Blight. The Golden Epitaph was meant to kill Godwyn's body, and when that didn't work, Miquella resorted to reviving the soul instead, hoping that would undo the Death Blight. The Wandering Mausoleums and Lhutel's item description indicate that Godwyn wasn't the only demi-god that people were trying to revive. Also, curiously enough, the Japanese text for Lhutel's item description says that her demi-god was actually revived, though the game shockingly lacks any details on what became of this demi-god afterward.
@@mysterin5061 The Gloam-Eyed Queen apparently predated Miquella's birth, so how would Trina be her? Melina is also Messmer's sister and, like the other children born between Marika and Radagon, has a mystical butterfly associated with her, implying she's not of the golden lineage.
The eyes are that high, because level designers, character designers and environment designers are all working in parallel, but not necessarily together. When a level designer gets an asset, it isn't always designed to scale and has to be shrunk or enlarged to fit the scene. I bet the person who made Godwyn's corpse and the tree, didn't know exactly how it would be utilized. Added: Which is exactly why you see things with mods, that a normal player wouldn't see. They weren't going to take the time to break it down, just to save a few polygons. If they had designed the entire area at once, they wouldn't have taken the time to model and texture things like that.
damn, this really evokes eldtritch horror i love it. Makes me think that the ritual performed by ranni was some sort of ancient ritual she rediscovered something that should never have been tampered with.
The purple liquid around Godwyn is especially interesting since Those Who Live in Death are more linked to the milky water tainted by corpse-wax. Having the purple of Putrescence around him is an awesome thematic visual.
Man, every time I lose hope in Elden Ring having another DLC (or even a sequel), I see videos like this and I start thinking that there's no way they leave us hanging on the lore like this, everything you mentioned in this video, alongside the death knights in the DLC being pretty much the only thing related to Godwyn, they must be teasing us right? Like he is the only "Golden" child of Marika and Godfrey, and we basically are left on hold about him? there must be something going on in the background, I might be coping, but I really hope they surprise us with a second DLC entirely about Godwyn, or a sequel to Elden Ring that has Godwyn as the main focal point of the game, I can't be the only one feeling this way.
ooooh!! i did not notice that the death blight were a combination of flies/maggots until now, made to look like thorny vines but it makes so much more sense now why it is that way and also why the Worm-faces are LIKE THAT. and why they spread death-blight. death and decay were basically forbidden but with Godwyn's attempted (quite literal) treeroot burial and subsequent integration into the root-system, the signifiers of decay became more tree/plant-like
I developed a habit like a few weeks after beating Elden Ring back in January 2023 where I go to the prince of deaths throne site of grace before saving and quitting, because before I hop off for the day I tend to just look in absolute wonder at Godwyns corpse and the surrounding area, I’ve never seen anything like him in any video game before.
Thank you for showing all of this so close up! I’ve always wondered about Godwyn and that entire area. Two thoughts came to me while watching: 4:41 - this shot reminded me so much of the versions of the abyssal snake/ Messmer snake transformation that are covered in eyes like this (though different eyes of course) 7:06 - it’s been bugging me for a long time that in BonfireVN’s video of Radagon, he has what at first glance is his long braid, but the texture isn’t hair, it’s shiny and there is a hair texture off to the side that looks braided. I guess you could call the thicker one multiple braids wrapped together, but with that non-hair texture they look more like these caterpillars or tangled intestines.
I think there's more links than you might think between Trina and Godwyn and sleep and life in death - remember Godwyn's mental state appears to be a dream state since we enter it, Fia's sleeps along side her companions, Trina's nectar kills us and then provides us with dream messages after we've died, item descriptions seem to evoke the notion of a sweet embrace of death connected to Trina's sleep, and I mean it's literally called eternal sleep, that's literally death xD So yeah, you could probably find alot more connection than just those plus what you highlighted here, it's an interesting point and one I've been wondering about since the DLC came out.
That might actually just be Fia's dream instead, especially since Godwyn's body is visible in it. There's some additional dimension at work though, since Fortissax is there and nothing implies he's already been killed in the way that would create a Remembrance in the Lands Between. As for Trina, her nectar only seemed to become that way after she was maimed and left to die by Miquella.
My last playthrough I managed to see the big three eye balls for the first time on his throne and it freaked me out. The team reall went all out on his design.
Hm...I think the reason so many of these details aren't visible is maybe because the team designed Godwyn's corpse before they figured out how big they wanted to make him or where exactly he'd be placed. So they might've made the whole model and adjusted the size and shading after the fact.
My mind also goes to Bloodborne and Kos. The freakin association of deep sea creatures with parasites is unsettling 😅😂. Bloodborne comicbook has a line "mind is water." One of the 1st comics. Which is consistent with basic esotericism. The "seas" or "bodies of water" represent the "mind." Our unconscious individual minds or a larger collective unconscious. Earth is body, water is unconscious/lower mind, wind is cultivated/higher mind, and fire is creation principal/passion Marika, as a God, she was deceived by some sort of Gnostic demiurge/parasite. Golden Order. Godhood was a "trap" set by the demiurge. For example, the symbolism of the Flightless bird painting found at the roundtable hold in Leyndell. A "flightless" bird and a "cage" represents the control and limitation on the use of an ability from what would be considered natural use. Marika lacks control over the creation principal that would be expected for a God. Her and Queen Yharnam are both oppressed fertility Goddesses, which ultimately represent the Divine Feminine. Godwyn, as this twisted parasitic fish monster, represents the psychological trauma which Marika has gone through, because of the parasitic attachment of the Golden Order. Marika was once a beliver in the Golden Order. So, it is especially traumatic once she realizes that the Golden Order has been a lie. She has to reevaluate every aspect of her relationship to the Golden Order as a potential lie. False premise. Idk. Fear the Old Blood
So Godwyn is more than the Three Eyed Raven equivalent in ER. The way he spreads his influence kinda acts like mold tbh. It would be interesting if the Basilisks were the result of the Night of Black Knives, seeing that they are capable of materializing when summoned like the one with the Divine Beast in Rauh Ruins, meaning they're closely tied to Deathblight itself.
Considering its implied that marika was in on the night of black knives, and that Godwyns death was by no means an accident (he was supposed to die, but he didn't die a true death as his body is still alive) and even the dragon cult founded by godwyn was in the know since the malformed dragon is a symbol of the dead godwyn, it seems that Marika somehow knew what the death of Godwyn the golden would bring about. Marika basically sowed the seeds for all the endings in the game, through her betrayal of godwyn, ranni, the merchants, the crucible and the Golden Order itself
The Black Knife Assassins were implied to have once known Marika, but they might have just wanted revenge against her rather than working for her at that point. Also, there's no proof or implication that a malformed dragon represents Godwyn, or that such a depiction would also reference the Death Blight.
I'm muddling with a theory that The Roundtable Hold grew envious of both Godwyn "The Golden" and Vyke for being "worthy." Marika, Ranni, and even Godwyn took advantage of their umbridge and had them undergo changes with the Amber Egg. They received the Larval Tears from the Fallenhawks. We never find these Assassins in the Eternal Cities, and it might explain their weird posture.
@@nightscout9979 it doesn't really matter if they were with or against Marika. Marika has betrayed and manipulated pretty much everyone to fit her ends. Its also completely baseless that people act like she loved Godwyn or any of her children for that matter. As for the malformed dragon, it literally has a fish tail like the basilisks and godwyn himself.
@@mysterin5061 Vyke might have been born outside of the Lands Between, in which case he was always living there before the Shattering. The Amber Egg only seems to have entered the picture when it was gifted to Rennala, who had it from that point onward. The Black Knife Assassins are likely not found in the Eternal Cities because they're all out hunting for Ranni in the modern day, though the Nightmaidens do wield large knives. Jolan and Anna in the DLC appear to be some form of Nox assassins as well.
@@TheBitingBat If the Black Knife Assassins were against Marika, then that means she didn't create or conduct the Night of the Black Knives. If anything, while it signaled a good point for Marika to finally unleash her Shattering plan, it resulted in less demi-gods being able to fight in the Shattering. With less demi-gods warring, the Shattering could end up less severe as a conflict and unoptimized for creating a warrior who could kill the Elden Beast. I agree that Marika didn't care about any of her children, Godwyn included, and saw them all as pawns. As for the lion-dragon creature on the Malformed Dragon Helm, the tail isn't particularly aquatic and could just be an ancient dragon tail split into a fur tuft, not to mention that some heraldry in Elden Ring shows multi-tailed lions, like on the surcoats of Godrick's soldiers and the Banished Knights' shields. The other traits of the lion-dragon creature are reptilian and feline.
well when godrick fled the captial w/ marika's veil, who's to say that was the only relic he took? he probably took part of godwyn as a relic and put it in the basement of stormveil
Its definitely not blood on the tree unless the wounds from Godwyn are fresh and I am fairly confident they are not. Blood doesn't just stay red, when its fresh it appears as red but the longer it sits in open air the more its appearance will blacken and eventually look more like tar then blood if it continues to fester and not dry out. More then Likely it is the tree resin we find and use to make the different greases as the color on the tree closely resembles that of the resin. Edit: 7:18 the maggots look a lot like the thing that is wrapping around the statue of the two figures in Enir-Ilim, perhaps this was how Radagon and Merika were joined together, but I'm just speculating at this point.
The crabs are another connection between Godwin and St Trina. Lots of the crabs in Liurnia have sleep effects and are found near Trina Lillies. Not sure why the crabs have sleep and what Liurnia has to do with it.
The body beneath storm veil is a product of Godwyn most likely, Rogier contracts deathroot from it. I always kinda wondered if the thorny roots and rotting holes in the castle were the deathroot spreading. And the giants in the mountain top have the little root jutting out from the chest into the ground much like the death animation, but the thorns could also be Radagon using the scadutree thorns
Wait! the observation of the purple waters may possibly have another explanation as well, now that you mentioned it of course there is the visual connection between the deep purple color, putrescence, and st. trina but that may also work the other way around. the water close to godwyn is purple but not white like the white corpsewax waters beneath the plateau. maybe, just maybe, the purple waters aren't there because godwyn is putrefying but because Trina was there at some point. Miquella was trying to give his brother a "true death" but nothing he did could accomplish that. so miquella's other half did all SHE could in order to bring death to godwyn. she put him into a deep velvet sleep that he would not wake from. the waters turning a deep purple in the process as we see in the Garden of Deep Purple. and she put in place a guardian dragon to his dreams, so that none may wake godwyn from his slumber. this was the closest they could get to giving godwyn "death" - to put him into a death-like deep sleep. until that is, a certain deathbed companion lay with him, gave another the means to slay godwyn's dream, wake him from his deathly slumber to rise as the first of the dead if the mending rune of death was to be incorporated into the elden ring.
Wow...what a video, about easily my favourite characters in Elden Ring, with so many revelations; As expected, there is the Quote about Eyes from Bloodborne at 10:05 . Before watching further, I'll have a guess at 11:11 : Dark Souls 1 Toxic effect? Ahahahah nevermind, didn't think about St-Trina and Putrescent Knight
Considering the significance of eyes in Elden Ring, gold signifying the golden lineage, frenzy's many links to eyes with the Shabriri grapes and how many incantations seem cast from the eyes, dragon communion physically making the partaker's eyes draconic to name a few I can think of right now - I doubt it's a coincidence that Godywyn's irises resemble the eclipse
Funny enough the irises of these huge eyes remind me of an eclipse. Not sure why but was my first thought. And the eyes on Stormveil etc. are empty? The one in deeproot have eyeballs.
I like the idea that the thorns in Stormveil and Mountaintops might be linked. I believe the ones in Mountaintops are seen as thorns/briars of sin and if that's the case then maybe the thorns in Stormveil are there as a result of a sin being committed ?
I like to believe that the Beast Eye belonged to Godwyn. Also thanks to that Video im certain that the Scadutree Tree Avatar, Thorns and Roots are connected to Godwyn and Radagon. If Godwyns Body is still alive that could mean some of his physical Abilities could have activated. Also in the Cinamatic of Godwyns Death we can see a Tiny Black Tree in front of his Head.
godwyn was said to have most likely been a part of godfrey fight against the fire giants, so what if the thorns are his in storm veil and the mountain tops and the stuff in the deep root depths is the evolution of that ability after he became the prince of death?
I like to think of Godwyn as a living (in death) embodiment of martyrdom. Godwyn's body is corrupted with the death of his soul, and the idea and reality of him spreads far and wide across the land, perverting all that it can touch. I think it's no coincidence that the death blight death animation both impales and crucifies you, just like Marika.
had a weird idea and thought id share, what if the surrogates were brought away from the main corpse in the hopes godwyn could reincarnate into a clean body
I still have so many questions around the Prince of Death. Was Godwyn specifically targeted by the Black Knives? Why? Is his growth a natural consequence of his body living on without a soul, or has something interfered? Godwyn is a descendant of Marika, a Shaman, so likely retains the ability to graft - what could have grafted onto him? Is Godwyn's deathblight a new kind of Death, or a rebirth of an old one?
This makes me wonder if Godwyn is responsible for the flies plaguing the land of shadow, and if he is taking on the role of a mor traditional type of "Death" in both the lands between and the land of shadow. I also feel compelled to speculate further on the connection between Trina, Godwin, and Miquella... I actually made the connection just prior to your mention of it in the video. I would need to explore the themes and lore surrounding the respective areas and any connections between the two, though.
You say there are no DB spires in Stormveil, but we see Roger's death animation in the basement. Unless that particular one does not have any wings. But I'm pretty sure he does
Question was Godwyn's aquatic themes a result of death or was that something that was always a part of his nature, and in death his version of death takes on that aquatic nature. These are several forms of deaths the death birds, the serpentine godskins, the putrescense, the rot goddess and her children.
Hey guys... we all know the fungus fan theory, right? Ants, (usually coexisting with basilisks) are known to harvest and farm fungi, in the real world.
I think listening to this brought to fruition an idea I have been mulling over. What does it mean that Godwyn is the inverse of Ranni, whose body is dead but soul is alive? Logically this can be expressed as body alive but soul dead. Okay, what does soul death mean when we can plainly see Godwyn definitely has some kind of influence and goals? My thoughts have always been it doesn't mean his soul is destroyed but just marked as no longer among the living. No longer welcome in the realms of the living and should go on to where the dead wait for their next life. But there is a problem with this. By no fault of his own he has something that anchors him to the land of rhe living. His god flesh. How torturous this must be. No wonder he can understand those who Live Within Death and their desperation to continue the life they had before death instead of moving on to a new life. So cursed to be chained to flesh he cannot use what does he use to enforce his will? The rotten, corrupted tree roots that have been bound to his useless flesh. His corruption being what his true body is now.
