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Going Over Bran II, A Game of Thrones 

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Rereading A Game of Thrones. Here's me going over Bran II, AGoT
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Game of Thrones is an American fantasy drama television series created for HBO by David Benioff and D. B. Weiss. Based on the fantasy novel series, A Song of Ice and Fire by George R.R. Martin. A Game of Thrones is one of the most successful television series to ever made and continues to captivate audiences all over the world. The series is set on the fictional continents of Westeros and Essos, and interweaves several plot lines with a large ensemble cast. The first narrative arc follows a civil war among several noble houses for the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms; the second covers the attempts to reclaim the throne by the exiled last scion of the realm's deposed ruling dynasty; the third chronicles the rising threat of the impending winter and the legendary creatures and fierce peoples of the North.
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@robertmauck4975
@robertmauck4975 3 месяца назад
3:40 the way I had always read it was Bran going through his options of who to hang out with while the older men are out hunting. He didn't want to be with Rickon, since he is the baby. He didn't want to be with his sisters, because they're girls. And he couldn't hang out with Jon, because he couldn't find him (but he didn't look that hard).
@jonttopia
@jonttopia 3 месяца назад
I seriously don't see how one could read it any other way
@theweedledrop
@theweedledrop 3 месяца назад
I'm often in awe of Preston's insights, and equally often baffled by his failures in basic reading comprehension. He's a good man.
@theletterm5425
@theletterm5425 3 месяца назад
I feel like Preston sometimes forgets that we're reading a POV and not just an exposition infodump. The paragraph is pretty clear when one reads it from the perspective of an eight year old kid who has basically just been left home alone with no one but a few siblings to hang out with.
@jbailey5061
@jbailey5061 3 месяца назад
Preston sometimes struggles with the little human moments that aren't supposed to have a clean explanation. He'll either blame magic or straight up misread 😅 He does provide interesting readings though to be fair.
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 3 месяца назад
@@theweedledrop He is a man of extremes in that way lol.
@5210smile
@5210smile 3 месяца назад
He isn't giving reasons they didn't go on the hunt, it's reasons Bran isn't hanging out with them.
@GiubileiFernando
@GiubileiFernando 3 месяца назад
Yeah, the paragraph seemed pretty clear to me. Jon got left behind, probably because he's a bastard, but Bran couldn't spend time with him because he couldn't find him.
@lorenzopajaro3659
@lorenzopajaro3659 3 месяца назад
Love Preston but he constantly misinterprets some pretty straight lines and it’s so frustrating
@SirBallsDeepOfHouseManthrust
@SirBallsDeepOfHouseManthrust 3 месяца назад
@@lorenzopajaro3659Idk, I was kinda right with him in terms of it feeling a bit clunky.
@nickyhennessy
@nickyhennessy 3 месяца назад
@@lorenzopajaro3659 For real. I want to be on board with Preston but so many times he's obtuse and it feels like he purposefully is misreading the text (Quentyn still being alive) to further his own agenda. There are times that I understand that a closer look is required by the text but it feels so pretentious when he seems to be deliberately misunderstanding what's being said on page.
@fazediamond5671
@fazediamond5671 3 месяца назад
Bruh he said it doesn’t matter if aegon is alive Jon con thinks he’s real
@LazyBazooka
@LazyBazooka 3 месяца назад
the dead sea scrolls say that preston will have gone over every asoiaf chapter ever released and winds still won't be out
@BaalFridge
@BaalFridge 3 месяца назад
A sad probability
@fran4636
@fran4636 3 месяца назад
I think Nostradamus predicted that, too
@maxwell_j_R
@maxwell_j_R 3 месяца назад
The man in the glass gardens = the hooded man CONFIRMED?!
@hobbesthegoblin
@hobbesthegoblin 3 месяца назад
I always wondered why he kept giving Theon blackberries
@Mj_Jetson
@Mj_Jetson 3 месяца назад
"His wife is Lady Arryn's sister. It's a wonder Lysa was not here to greet us with her accusations."... it does kinda fit for the accusation to be about twincest? They're assuming that Jon Arryn told Lysa everything - "That frightened cow shared Jon Arryn's bed." Cersei did know that Jon Arryn was figuring out the twincest: "Jon Arryn put Robert Baratheon in her bed, and before he died he'd begun sniffing about her and Jaime as well." (Cersei I AFfC)
@Mj_Jetson
@Mj_Jetson 3 месяца назад
I guess the Lannisters figured that Lysa doubted that Robert would believe her if she came forward with twincest accusations? Or that Cersei would retaliate
@Valcurdra
@Valcurdra 2 месяца назад
Isn't it just more likely Lysa was accusing them of being involved in her husbands death to draw suspicion off herself? That's effectively what her letter to Cat was doing.
@Mj_Jetson
@Mj_Jetson 2 месяца назад
@@Valcurdra maybe, but would Lysa be afraid that if she threatened the Lannisters like that, they would retaliate against her and Sweetrobin? Plus, at this point, don't most people think that Jon Arryn died of natural causes, so calling it mur der would actually cast more suspicions on herself?
@Valcurdra
@Valcurdra 2 месяца назад
@@Mj_Jetson You have to remember, nobody knows or even remotely suspects Lysa. So the characters are talking purely from fear. I don't think anyone was talking about straight up accusations, in public. I think they mean more subtle accusations behind the scenes, influencing people. As I said they were right to be paranoid about that as it already has happened with the letter to Catelyn. I just don't think there is anything unusual about the conversation. They are straight up criminals paranoid about getting caught because they live in a world of suspicion and treachery.
@corbinskywalker
@corbinskywalker 3 месяца назад
Robb wasn't allowed to go hunting if he didn’t finish his daily knitting.
@coreyander286
@coreyander286 3 месяца назад
The elaborate mapping out of Winterfell reminds me of Catelyn's hike up to the Eyrie, how much description was devoted to the defenses, Stone, Snow, and Sky, how impossible it would be to scale in winter. I thought for sure it was foreshadowing an important battle there once winter arrived, maybe involving the Others, but that doesn't seem on the horizon at all. I figure Bran's knowledge of Winterfell's layout is just characterization, showing his adventurousness, his active lifestyle he's about to lose, how Winterfell is home to him. Not everything is lore or battle foreshadowing.
@tehrealoneill
@tehrealoneill 3 месяца назад
(Replying to you because you mentioned Catelyn's Eyrie hike) At the end of this video, Preston mentions how much padding there is to this chapter. When Catelyn goes to the Eyrie, it definitely reminds me of that. It was a combination of worldbuilding and filler. But I totally agree with you: I also felt that there would be a battle at the Eyrie given its spectacular defensive location.
@manband20
@manband20 3 месяца назад
Honestly though if humanity wanted to make a series of last stands against The Others and their wights, Winterfell and The Eyrie would be both the best and worst places to defend. Winterfell apparently can house thousands of people, but it's in the middle of wide open field. The show let us see how a siege against unyielding hordes of undead turns out. And The Eyrie might be impregnable, but the castle needs to have food brought up by mule and in baskets to feed the inhabitants. They'd be starved out and resorting to cannibalism within a month. It's so funny how in any other circumstances, these castles would be impervious to a siege... but they're about to fight undead monsters that don't need to eat, drink, or sleep.
@Longshanks1690
@Longshanks1690 3 месяца назад
George? Just like describing things? Ridiculous, only a man who wastes a chapter talking about Volantis for literally no reason would do that.
@umwha
@umwha 3 месяца назад
It’s definitely coming back. The Long Noght is coming , no? Winterfell will have at least one big battle and people will have to live in it through the Long Night. Same for the eyrie. Additionally, it’s symbolism for magic realms. Winterfell is a stone tree , representing the weirnet. The eyrie symbolizes the frozen dead half of the weirnet - impregnable tall like the moon , vale of tears, ruled by a magic red haired widow. This symbolizes the Others realm.
@ND88229
@ND88229 3 месяца назад
I think Cersei’s paranoia towards Lysa is from the fact that she fled Kingslanding. She probably assumes she must know something, why else immediately flee after Jon dies.
@paulcato3434
@paulcato3434 3 месяца назад
Yes. Robert tells Ned that Cersei was furious.
@bryansales9134
@bryansales9134 3 месяца назад
I am pretty sure GRRM just meant who Bran had to hang out with lol.
@bryansales9134
@bryansales9134 3 месяца назад
He did not want to hang out with the girls, and Rickon is a literal baby, and Jon he could not find. Though, he felt like he was mad at him anyway so he did not look that hard to hang.
@emmaswift3764
@emmaswift3764 3 месяца назад
Cersei being worried that Robert will “set her aside” is so batshit and considers no consequences. It’s just so Cersei and clearly just her projecting her insanity onto Robert. I will choose to read it as subtle characterization.
@MrScartz123
@MrScartz123 3 месяца назад
Wow, actually it is in character😮
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
Upon re-reads I started to notice that George had quite a lot of “put aside Cersei; get with Margery” content in AGOT. I assume it was in order to build up the believability of an annulment threat against her, since we hear how incredibly rare they are. Only other option was that George changed plans and left some stubs in there, but that seems unlikely.
@AnaatthiGozo
@AnaatthiGozo 3 месяца назад
More often than not Preston seems to underestimate the human element within all the lies and schemes. Or you apply it to one thing but not to another. If Lysa blames the Lannisters for the murder, you claim they should just say "I didn't do it.", and then immediately you move on to say that "I didn't do it" won't work if it's about the incest. And even then, half a book later, Tyrion is going to get thrown down the Moon Door no matter how much he claims he didn't do anything.
@Jotari
@Jotari 3 месяца назад
Yeah, Jon Arryn's murder was my immediate assumption when rereading too. She's already accused them of that and set Catlyn on them, it's not at all strange to think she would make an accusatory comment towards them. Thing is though, because he needs this conversation to initially seem like Jaime and Cersei are guilty, their talk about her "having no proof" is slightly strange. I mean, if I were speaking in private with someone about something I'd been accused of, I wouldn't be saying "She has no proof", I'd be saying "Why does she think we did it? We didn't do anything. She can't have any proof."
@Xerxesian
@Xerxesian 3 месяца назад
I had the exact same thought while listening to Preston rant
@theletterm5425
@theletterm5425 3 месяца назад
100%. Preston already knows which things are true and which not and therefore assumes if character A tells character B something that he (Preston) knows as true, than character B must immediately accept it as true as well.
@MrScartz123
@MrScartz123 3 месяца назад
This chapter is not sloppy at all, i agree more with you ngl
@wyattblaine7066
@wyattblaine7066 3 месяца назад
“Corn” in asoiaf is actual corn, maize. Medieval accounts referencing corn are talking about grain, but GRRM has stated that his corn is corn.
@Swimmaroo
@Swimmaroo 3 месяца назад
Has there been any mention of corn based foods in the series? 🤔 🌽
@zenm0de
@zenm0de 3 месяца назад
​​@@Swimmaroo they make tortillas and fritos at the wall in AFFC (a feast for crows = CORN)
@Swimmaroo
@Swimmaroo 3 месяца назад
Walking Frito pie is traditional foodstuffs of the long ranging
@binweiss8297
@binweiss8297 3 месяца назад
Nobody: Preston: uuuugggghhhhhhhhh!
@SapphireSolstice67
@SapphireSolstice67 3 месяца назад
Preston: It’s ridiculous, ridiculous
@Mj_Jetson
@Mj_Jetson 3 месяца назад
With divorce/annulment, I think GRRM changed his mind on how easy it is to break a marriage? I guess it probably relates to Rhaegar and Lyanna... originally, he was going to have Rhaegar divorce Elia and secretly marry Lyanna, like in the show? Then he changed his mind, and added the Conquerors' polygamy in later AGoT drafts, then changed his mind again, and made it really really difficult to break a marriage, and added a lot of nuance about the role and ambiguity of marriage and bastards.
@EasternStandardTim
@EasternStandardTim 3 месяца назад
49:38 poor bran, not only pushed from the tower, but trampled by cows looking for corn
@jaysemitchells497
@jaysemitchells497 3 месяца назад
I think the meandering descriptions of Winterfell are a misdirect / put there to get you into Bran's perspective lulling you before the shock of the second half. Not everything has to come back and I don't count it as useless because it's very effective here
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
Right.
@Conradh13
@Conradh13 3 месяца назад
It's funny that the show dropped the Anne Boleyn parallel considering who Natalie Dormer played in The Tudors 😂
@oswaldoalbuquerque
@oswaldoalbuquerque 3 месяца назад
Preston analises sentences like a math equation and takes things really far like people when talking to each really overthink what they are about to say 😂 For him, the characters are robots, there is no room for contradiction or melodrama.
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
Something like that was my concern in Catelyn II, with her taking as an objective fact the women’s chains of gossip through the soldiers from other soldiers about “Ned slaying Arthur Dayne in single combat”. Inaccuracy and exaggeration, not retcons.
@justin.channels
@justin.channels 3 месяца назад
Even if Winterell geography does not come back (I think originally it would have in a battle, with passages used for assassination or espionage--lost in the gardening), it shows us what Bran thinks as he explores. Remember being a child and looking for secret passages or the next club house? It is characterization of Bran's childhood. Nice analysis! I really enjoy the breakdowns whether serious or no. Sometimes i am more likely to think a cigar is just a cigar.
@astrinymris9953
@astrinymris9953 3 месяца назад
3:45 I just assumed that hunting boar was a uniquely dangerous kind of hunting, and that's why only the most seasoned hunters usually go. Joffrey just --threw a tantrum-- insisted on going along, and Robert allowed him to go to avoid a scene, thus setting the stage for Robb to go also. Though now that I think about it, maybe Robert took Joffrey because he wouldn't have been too broken up if something... unfortunate... happened to his oldest son. He did say that he was uneasy at the thought of Joffrey succeeding him. I don't think he'd consciously ever do something to endanger the boy he considered his son, but a part of him knew that it would be better for the Realm if Joffrey broke his neck rather than become king.
@CIA_ACE
@CIA_ACE 3 месяца назад
With regards to John being left behind. I always understood he was left behind because he was a bastard but bran didn’t realize that and when bran talks about looking for him after the rest left on the hunt.
@casonhall5268
@casonhall5268 3 месяца назад
Currently writing what feels like a million pages for a few different finals papers. Listening to this in the background is helping immensely.
@Mj_Jetson
@Mj_Jetson 3 месяца назад
"It made him feel like he was lord of the castle, in a way even Robb would never know." Hmmm, foreshadowing how Robb is never truly the Lord of Winterfell? He is kinda in charge when Ned and Cat go south, but by the time he truly becomes Lord of Winterfell and King in the North, he's in the Riverlands, and never returns north...
@user-ln7jw2qn6h
@user-ln7jw2qn6h 3 месяца назад
When he calls Bran a squirrel and then later the children of the forest say they were referred to as squirrel children, I believe
@theletterm5425
@theletterm5425 3 месяца назад
I don‘t think there is any deeper reason for the Winterfell description other than expanding on the setting. Although I will say that on my first read of this chapter I remember thinking that the long detailed description of Bran's climbing made his eventual fall at the end of the chapter that much more tragic. It was basically a whole chapter about how much Bran loves climbing and how good he is at climbing and how he never ever falls… only to have him shoved out of a window and fall to his (at the time of my first reading) presumed death. This is where I thought the story actually became serious.
@Mj_Jetson
@Mj_Jetson 3 месяца назад
Why do only 3 kingsguard come north? Then entire royal family came north - shouldn't Robert have brought most or all of them?
@Jotari
@Jotari 3 месяца назад
Well Barristan might have pulled the old man card because he didn't want to travel (he absolutely could, managed to get all the way out east to Dany, but he might not have fancied going up to the cold north). No explanation for Preston Greenfield, Aerys Oakheart or Mandon Moore. Maybe one of them was on Renly duty.
@seniorbunk1183
@seniorbunk1183 3 месяца назад
Man in the glass garden... must be the hooded man. Another case cracked. Great job Preston!
@danjordan1
@danjordan1 3 месяца назад
The Bran 9000 planned it all !!!
@darwonka
@darwonka 3 месяца назад
Why do you release this right at bedtime for people with no self control?
@Mj_Jetson
@Mj_Jetson 3 месяца назад
yeah it is odd... "It's a wonder Lysa was not here to greet us with her accusations"... Why didn't the Lannisters stop Robert from coming to Winterfell? If Lysa had been there with an accusation, then the Lannisters would be toast, outnumbered and confronted on the Starks' home turf... especially perplexing, since Cersei implies that she could've dissuaded Robert from making the trip "I should have insisted that he name you, but I was certain Stark would refuse him." (though I guess its super in-character for Cersei, for it not to occur to her to do something until its too late LOL)
@jonjonchase5453
@jonjonchase5453 3 месяца назад
Does Brans description of the castle have anything to do with the way Theon took winterfell in the next book? I know he does it by having inside knowledge of the castle but don't remember if it matches anything Bran is saying
@steveandortudge
@steveandortudge 3 месяца назад
Really enjoying these, thank you... Padding it might be, but the start of this chapter is so moving to me on the reread. Bran made the most of his able body while he had it and even in his own POV he's so darn likeable. We are with him for weeks and months afterward in his mourning, such that reliving his last moments of joy is heartbreaking. I think the extra paragraphs spent here with him climbing are needed for our investment, to appeeciate current-Bran with enough context to not lose sense of who he was before
@Bloborus
@Bloborus 3 месяца назад
The implication when I read it was that it would be impudent for Robb to be allowed to join the hunt if the honor was not first given to Joffrey, a feudal rule the northerners observed in defference.
@YourLastGreatkNight
@YourLastGreatkNight 3 месяца назад
That’s exactly what I thought! I figured that if the Prince couldn’t go it wouldn’t be a good look for the hire to Winterfell going and making Joffrey look afraid. I also thought it might be like a Guys trip with your boys and you usually don’t take your kids with you.
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
🎯
@julioulloa5403
@julioulloa5403 3 месяца назад
I've been watching my phone the hole day waiting for this video to come out!!
@SHARKVADERS
@SHARKVADERS 3 месяца назад
PJ IS BACK FOMOS
@globesurfer122
@globesurfer122 3 месяца назад
Do we really need this comment every single video
@coreyander286
@coreyander286 3 месяца назад
@@globesurfer122 It feels yucky somehow 🙁
@daboos6353
@daboos6353 3 месяца назад
@@coreyander286 PJ IS BACK FOMOS
@mitchellhouser1572
@mitchellhouser1572 3 месяца назад
@@globesurfer122PJ IS BACK FOMOS
@bevindennett
@bevindennett 3 месяца назад
GRRM PLANNED IT ALL
@StrangeGamer859
@StrangeGamer859 3 месяца назад
23:07 Corn refers to grain in general, but Westeros has maize too. There are mentions of sweetcorn and corn on the cob.
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 3 месяца назад
Indeed.
@randomantagonist8620
@randomantagonist8620 3 месяца назад
38:09 I think the best explanation for Lysa Arryn not going to Robert if she did have knowledge of the incest or whatever the reason Jaime and Cersei are worried about what she might do is LittleFingers influence over her, if Littlefinger convinced Lysa to Poison Jon Arryn I think it is safe to assume he has manipulated and used Lysa for years. This explanation works the best I think regardless of retcons.
@vpapako
@vpapako 3 месяца назад
Lysa was probably accusing them (the Lannisters in general) of her husband's death
@j-rey-
@j-rey- 3 месяца назад
49:37 - Cows really shouldn't be eating corn. Corn is high in phosphorous and low in calcium, which causes them to develop urinary stones. 😉
@alk5985
@alk5985 3 месяца назад
"What is Lysa accusing them of ?" She wasn't acccusing them of anything but Jon Arryn did accuse Cersei of incest just before dying and Cersei is afraid he told Lysa before dying.
@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin
@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin 3 месяца назад
They problem is Cersei later says she didn't know Jon Arryn knew about the incest until Ned told her.
@Longshanks1690
@Longshanks1690 3 месяца назад
The only way the Margery plot makes sense is if divorce is actually way more common in the early draft version of the story, and the Faith’s opposition to it is an idea George only added in later. Because from the way Cersei and Renly talk, they treat it as a perfectly plausible option that Robert could pursue as soon as he gets bored enough of Cersei. There’s not even the suggestion that the Faith or wider society would oppose this like Henry VIII faced opposition, it’s just a matter of whether Robert wants to or not. So the only way this adds up is if divorce wasn’t that big a deal for the story in George’s mind when writing this plot, otherwise none of these people are acting the least bit reasonable at all.
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
Yes. 🎯
@liberal4136
@liberal4136 2 месяца назад
It could also be that Robert, as a beloved war hero, could get what he wanted. People forget that Henry VIII had already been granted permission to marry Anne Boleyn by the Bishops during the Subjugation of the Bishops; they were willing to set aside any anti bigamy rulings and allow him to marry his mistress. Similarly, Robert likely could have used force of persuasion to have Cersei set aside. What doesn't make sense is it's not like no one else has mentioned to Robert he could set her aside; that's literally Renlys plan. But Robert time and again refused; something Cersei and Jaime either don't consider or dont remember
@ModernSynthesist
@ModernSynthesist 2 месяца назад
Possible point to Bran's intimate knowledge of Winterfell: Possible strategic advantage for Bran 9000 directing the defence of Winterfell from the Others in Winds or Dream of Spring? Not necessarily taking over the defenders bodily, but influencing them with telepathic suggestions as he lies floating in the Heart Tree pool?
@JoniukasVader
@JoniukasVader 3 месяца назад
Back are we and
@brennanbarnes7628
@brennanbarnes7628 3 месяца назад
It's been a while since I've done a re-read on GOT so I'm rusty on the time frame of events. How long before the story does John Arryn die? It's his death that causes Robert to head North to talk to Ned, not a short trip and Robert's traveling with a train. Just curious at the slow speed of the news of John Arryn's death getting North, they don't get word until the king & company are almost there. Just seems odd.
@fazediamond5671
@fazediamond5671 3 месяца назад
The prologue was a couple months before Jon Arryn died but the bran beheading chapter was a week after Jon Arryn died
@mitchellhouser1572
@mitchellhouser1572 3 месяца назад
I think Ned mentions having a couple weeks to prepare before Robert gets there when he reads the letter
@kublai7123
@kublai7123 3 месяца назад
It's important to remember that Lysa does what Littlefinger wants her to do. She knows about the incest because Littlefinger does. She does not go to Robert because Littlefinger wants to use that to get Lannisters into conflict with Lysa and Ned and then he uses the Jon Arryn murder mystery to get Ned and Stannis into conflict with Lannisters. Since Lannisters did not murder Jon Arryn that would not make them feel any guilt so he uses the knowledge of the incest instead.
@pjdava
@pjdava 3 месяца назад
Preston Jacobs, This is fantastic! I subscribed because I love it!
@Azor19
@Azor19 3 месяца назад
Preston is the best
@Jotari
@Jotari 3 месяца назад
40:30 Not really. They are still planning to kill Robert. Their assassination attempts are just highly cautious, very low risk, very high reward. Cersei's plot with the wine and the boar was a plot, even though it was an unlikely to succeed one. Same with the melee assassination (assuming Varys was telling the truth, which he probably was, Cersei was trying to get Robert we can be fairly sure).
@mattkeflowers
@mattkeflowers 3 месяца назад
While possible that it's just an editing mess. The way to square it is that Lisa (or more lilely Balish) intimated that she thinks the Lannisters killed Jon in a way that would get back to them and spook them. I say more likely Balish, because he stands to benefit more from the cannister being distracted by rumors or threats of rumors about them offing the Hand of the King. I know we can't treat the show as source, but I think that's why the first scene of them in the show (as I recall) is them talking around Jon's body as it laid in state to set up the idea that they killed him or were at least being suspected. Edit: just to add that if the Lannisters worried that Jon knew about the incest, they would have reason to be concerned if rumors of Lisa's accusations were to get out she might say "they killed him BECAUSE he knew they were committing incest"
@torben22.16
@torben22.16 3 месяца назад
Well the fear about being put asude is apparently because the maggy the frog prophecy. Lysa didn't tell Robert because she would have still lost sweetrobin to Stannis
@MrPhbahia
@MrPhbahia 3 месяца назад
THE FAMOUS WINDOW CHAPTER
@umwha
@umwha 3 месяца назад
Thematically it’s strange that bran dislikes the heart tree and thinks they shouldn’t have eyes. He loves Winterfell , isn’t raised to believe in the faith , but rather the old gods, and is apparently connected to bloodraven and the weirnet literally since his first dream , yet he is out off by the heart tree? I’d expect that he’d have an intuitive connection to it. I suppose George just put it in to make it ironic that later he becomes a weirvessel
@Mj_Jetson
@Mj_Jetson 3 месяца назад
Littlefinger, the Hand of the King... so I know Jaime's gone through a lot of character development, but this is still weird. The king might as easily have named one of his brothers, or even Littlefinger, gods help us. Give me honorable enemies rather than ambitious ones (Bran II AGoT) Littlefinger was as amiable as he was clever, but too lowborn to threaten any of the great lords, with no swords of his own. The perfect Hand. (Jaime VII AFfC)
@therealbando
@therealbando 3 месяца назад
Does anyone else feel like Preston is just hate reading at this point?
@Retireddevil0
@Retireddevil0 3 месяца назад
what if Lysa floated accusations at the Lannister's killing Jon to distract from her and Littlefinger? So they could be worried about both the incest (actual crime) and accusations from Lysa (because even if false could be dangerous)
@stefanfilipovits21
@stefanfilipovits21 3 месяца назад
I cant wait for PJ'S first Aeron chapter
@jayk8756
@jayk8756 3 месяца назад
That’s like 3 years away
@Azor19
@Azor19 3 месяца назад
I can’t wait
@Jotari
@Jotari 3 месяца назад
@@jayk8756He's doing one chapter a week, that's 52 chapters a year. 221 chapters in the first three books. So, that's more four years until he reaches a Feast for Crows.
@darquanjr
@darquanjr 3 месяца назад
Im also not a fan of the Shaggydog thing. I hope Rickon has something to do
@BaalFridge
@BaalFridge 3 месяца назад
This is the chapter where we understand the *gravity* of the story... I'll see myself out.
@jwc7215
@jwc7215 2 месяца назад
"This doesn't make sense unless Cersei is paranoid and unstable" Well... Yeah.
@liberal4136
@liberal4136 2 месяца назад
Yeah. Shes legit crazy; first a highly functioning crazy person and then less so. Like, Robert hates being married to her but if he wanted her gone flat out he would have accomplished that already.
@martinstoiber6909
@martinstoiber6909 3 месяца назад
Why do only 3 kingsguard come north when pretty much the whole royal family goes north??
@MidnightAge
@MidnightAge 3 месяца назад
There are times listening to you that I find myself really compelled by your attention to minutia and analytical insight, and equally as many times listening to you that I find myself wanting to pull my hair out. So many of the things that you say "don't make sense" are human beings acting like fallible, insecure, biased, unreliable human beings. In this particular instance of the aforementioned pulling my hair out; you are so massively overcomplicating the conversation between Cersei and Jamie, characters who are unreliable narrators and simply wrong about what is happening. Cersei is making assumptions because she is scared and insecure. What this chapter does though is paint the kind of character Cersei is at the start of the story. Firstly, the bulk of the worries Cersei and Jamie discuss in this chapter come from the standpoint of Cersei, who is at this point in the story immensely, intensely insecure and doing her darnedest to project a facade to the world otherwise. In fact, this is our character introduction to her insecurity. Our first experience with her character in the novel is Cersei suggesting Robert rest with her and the kids after a long journey before going down to the crypt. She does this because she feels insecure and somewhat jealous about the distance and lack of emotional intimacy in she and Robert's relationship, stemming from a mixture of emotional distance, from his hundreds of affairs, and from his general treatment of her. That first moment with her character shows us Robert dismissing her feelings for his own. Is that understandable, did they not just spend a long time traveling together? Maybe. But that isn't the point. That is a subtle request from one spouse to another to be treated as a priority in a moment of fragility and that request is dismissed summarily. While her adultery with Jamie might suggest she doesn't care about Robert, it's clear that she does, or at the very least that she wanted to at one point. And she wants/wanted him to care about her. She all but says to Jamie in this chapter when she states that she feels like she is living in the shadow of Robert's past love. That distance and the lack of priority she feels bothers her. Everything about her dynamic with Robert suggests scars that have been built up over many years and have fostered a deep-seated insecurity in Cersei. Early in the story, particularly before Tywin dies, Cersei spends a lot of narrative capital leveraging the difference between how men and women demonstrate power. She particularly hyper-fixates on beauty as her most effective weapon. The insecurity that Cersei feels from Robert's longstanding disregard frequently makes her question the things she has come to value about her feminine power; especially her looks. She's also aging, something many naturally insecure women struggle with even without a emotionally toxic relationship enhancing that insecurity. Her viewpoint and feelings aren't rational, they're deeply rooted in her emotional state. Jamie and Cersei's conversation is actually pretty coherent if you allow yourself to empathize with Cersei's insecure point of view and the natural paranoia that has fostered around it. And that's the point. More over they're conversing with a certain amount of casual intimacy, the way actual people in actual relationships speak in private with one another. Topics meander, sometimes people reference things from earlier in conversations, and notably Bran comes into this conversation as it is already underway so we aren't given the full context of everything that has been discussed from Bran's POV. But in the value of hindsight, it isn't hard at all to actually grasp the goings on if you empathize with Cersei. This chapter also alludes, in retrospect, to the fact that Pycelle is fully in the Lannister pocket, serving as our first clue to that fact narratively. While yes, it is never outright stated that Pycelle told Cersei that Jon Arryn had discovered the incest, based on his actions later in the narrative it isn't farfetched to assume that Pycelle somehow informed Cersei that he suspected Jon Arryn suspected the incest and was looking into it. So the context of the conversation is thus: They are talking about the incest, and about Ned, both. To Cersei they are/represent the same problem. We can assume that at some point, Pycelle in the recent past told Cersei that Jon Arryn likely suspects the incest. Jon Arryn dies before Cersei or Jamie can verify if Jon Arryn had simply just suspected or if actually knew, and before Jamie and Cersei can do anything about Jon Arryn themselves. We know from future stories that Lyssa killed him because of Sweet Robin's fostering, but none of the characters here make that connection or have a reason to. But Cersei, who again everything in the early narrative is telling us is deeply insecure and wrapped up in vain paranoia stemming from that insecurity, and seems to feel to a lesser or greater degree emotionally abused by Robert's disregard (a disregard she has recently been reminded of by way of Robert's recent action upon their arrival to Winterfell and is thus very fresh in her mind) can't let it go and/or assume they're in the clear now that Jon Arryn is dead. That is coloring this entire conversation. Lyssa, Jon Arryn's wife, left King's Landing immediately after Jon Arryn died. To an insecure and suspicious Cersei that would read as soft confirmation of her worst fears; that Jon Arryn told his wife about his suspicions vis a vis the incest and she fled King's Landing because Cersei assumes Lyssa believes she, Jamie, or some ally of theirs had Jon Arryn murdered. Not a far-fetched assumption, honestly, from Cersei's limited point of view. Husbands and wives talk. But that is clearly an assumption she is making. And again, Cersei isn't being fully rational here. These are emotional leaps she's making, not objectively logical ones. There is some logic to them, particularly from her viewpoint, but she isn't a reliable narrator. She's shrouded in her own biases. Ned Stark was Jon Arryn's ward and considered the man a father figure, as was/did Robert. Cersei has enough experience with both men over her marriage to Robert to understand what Ned, Robert, and Jon Arryn meant to one another. Ned is also married to Lyssa's sister. Raven's fly faster than people travel. It isn't unreasonable, at least in her paranoia, to fear, worry, or simply assume that Lyssa had conveyed Jon Arynn's suspicions about the incest to the ghost of Stoneheart's past and by extension Ned. In truth, we as readers don't even know concretely that Jon Arryn had suspicions, though we certainly have reason to believe so based on things we learn from Pycelle. But Cersei certainly seems to believe he did, that's what the chapter is telling us. And in her mind, from her perspective, there is a clear line of logic from one insecurity all the way through to the conclusions that Cersei is drawing and that is why the conversation is what it is, both about Ned, Lyssa, and the incest. Lyssa might not have accused them of anything. We have no evidence or proof that she has done. But it is perfectly natural for insecure, paranoid Cersei to believe Lyssa has accused them of incest to Jon Arryn's murder and absolutely any other vile thing to absolutely everyone of import they're currently interacting with. And that is exactly the point. Not that Lyssa has done that, but that Cersei, wrapped in her insecurity, worries and/or believes that she would/has. In her insecurity and from the years of emotional scars she carries from she and Robert's relationship, compounded by her worldview of "feminine weapons" and demonstrations of power and growing insecurity about her age, she has no reason at all to trust or believe that Robert wouldn't replace her instant on the accusation alone. The narrative has already demonstrated his disregard for her, or at least what she perceives as such. His choice to pay his respects immediately after her asking him to prioritize her and devaluing Cersei in the process is reasonably innocuous as a single act. But to Cersei, it isn't at all. We know from future chapters that Cersei wanted Robert to love and care for her, she wanted a proper relationship and love like exists in stories. But that isn't what she got. Years of disregard, infidelity, and layers of emotional trauma have scarred her and shaped her. What is a single act in the past chapter is a fresh stab in a deep and long lasting emotional wound for Cersei, another reminder that even when her beauty was at what she considered its peak, she was/is less valuable to Robert than a distant memory. And now that she's starting to notice first cracks of her in her beauty with age, that sense of valuelessness and fragility is even louder. Her trauma has been built over time and this the first glimpse we're getting to see of how she sees, thinks, and feels. It's honestly very elegantly written to convey so much about Cersei's struggle with her fragility outside of her immediate viewpoint. And as insecurities are want to do, they're compounding with in her. Her comment about the youthful ghost of the past and about possibly being replaced by a younger wife are signaling to us as the reader how powerless, fragile, and scared she actually feels. Her insecurities are blurring together into a paranoid mess because she is a wounded, irrational person sharing her feelings with the only person she actually feels enough trust and safety to do so with. Jamie and her children are her islands of stability and this particular worry about Lyssa spilling the incest beans threatens them.
@iroc
@iroc 3 месяца назад
As someone fascinated by the paranoid, reaching, vulnerable narcissist that is Cersei Lannister Baratheon, this is was a delight to read.
@MidnightAge
@MidnightAge 3 месяца назад
@@iroc Thank you!
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
Well said. And yeah, the face off in the KL’s godswood really elucidates Cersei here. We would be guessing from Bran II alone, but Ned hears her doubts about her beauty (back at its peak, as you point out), about Lyanna the Myth, about Robert and the Starks (and Jon Arryn)… Frankly, if people don’t read the godswood scene the first time and at least partially empathize with Cersei’s pain, I think they have failed as a reader.
@mitchellhouser1572
@mitchellhouser1572 3 месяца назад
Nice comment
@victarionchadjoy
@victarionchadjoy 3 месяца назад
Crazy theory how can Ned cause Robert to divorce Cersei (Henry the VIII paralel) People think Ned is religious (Old Gods believer) and would be Robert close friend and advisor. What if they think Robert would convert from Faith of the Seven to religion of Old Gods and under this new religion marry another woman. Old Gods have no priests so it will be easier to do. Faith will be angry, but some lords and wealthy merchants can follow their king, Old Gods have no church and are more about personal worship, so people will be free from influence of the Faith (Old Gods reformation). Some lords can support it, because they will receive parts of the Faith's wealth. Robert would have no problem with it, he is not religious and Lyanna probably worshiped Old Gods, so he make like it. There is zero evidence for this, but this Old Gods reformation is the only thing how i can see Cersei fear of divorce, Ned influence and Henry the VIII. paralel work out.
@gokbay3057
@gokbay3057 3 месяца назад
23:27 As other commenters said, while you are correct Westeros does explicitly have Maize. Sweetcorn which Arya later eats right off the cob.
@umwha
@umwha 3 месяца назад
28:00 how will the layout be used? I’d guess that since we have a secret passage mentioned, Winterfell will have to be broken into. Villains will be living in Winterfell, and forces under brans guidance will have to launch an assault via the secret passage. This would symbolise the Others parasatising in the weirnet, and having to be expelled
@trenchardjj
@trenchardjj 3 месяца назад
I wonder how different Barristan would be if Bran had gone to King's Landing and fawned over him. Would he have stayed and protected him and Ned?
@ninaleb
@ninaleb 2 месяца назад
My read on the Jaime-Cersei conversation and how it makes sense: Jaime and Cersei are clearly referring to Lysa accusing them about Jon Arryn’s murder, which they are right about as Lysa did accuse “the Lannisters” to Cat in the secret letter and then publicly accused Tyrion in the Eyrie. They don’t know that Lysa herself (and LF) are behind the murder, so the implication is that Lysa would be accusing them of murdering Jon Arryn on the basis of what he discovered about the twincest, which he may or may not have shared with Lysa for all Cersei and Jamie know… And Jaime’s question to Cersei about “she does not have proof… or does she?” for me is clearly a hint that Jamie has his doubts about Cersei potentially really being involved in the murder, as he knows it would not be past her. So he is in a way confronting her indirectly about it, to see if she would deny it or not… On a side note, before Lysa fled out of KL she probably put on a show of shock and accusation about her husband’s death to divert attention away from her and LF, and since Cersei does indeed have a “secret” that could not only be exposed but also be used as a strong motive to blame her, she is afraid that the story would make enough sense and even might become a point to convince Robert and others of their guilt: they killed Jon to hide their twincest - it checks out! Even as readers this is the first narrative we are presented, that Cersei was behind it somehow, before we find out that it’s not the case.
@EasternStandardTim
@EasternStandardTim 3 месяца назад
Shaggydog- the only other shaggy dog I know of in the story is the Hound, who was horribly disfigured by his older brother… 😅 not looking good for rickon, it may not be Ramsey who does him in
@BaalFridge
@BaalFridge 3 месяца назад
The fact his wolf is named dog and that he is the youngest of the Starks always felt to me like it was alluding to how the Starks, wild wolves, were turning into the tamed dogs of the King.
@gwh3013
@gwh3013 3 месяца назад
You mention that Cersei has this fear of Robert wanting a new Queen but that this goes against the faith of the seven. I think you are forgetting that the 'High Septon annulled it'
@emarti3853
@emarti3853 3 месяца назад
Could be 2 - 3 battles of winterfell in the books. Sneak in from the south side to go to the north gate? First keep has magic runes for protection? Or it's made of crystals that vibrate at the correct frequency to block telepathically-controlled zombies and/or dragons
@lonemotheomatshaba9640
@lonemotheomatshaba9640 3 месяца назад
You bring up an interesting point about Renly I’ve always wondered what his plan for being king was if he really believed Cersie’s kids were legitimate….. I understand the Lannisters public support was pretty low but he’s still usurping his brothers heirs….. Was he going to kill them and be labeled a king slayer?! was he going to keep them hostage for them to be used against him in the future?! The Renly story makes no sense from start to finish
@fazediamond5671
@fazediamond5671 3 месяца назад
He probably would kill them
@umwha
@umwha 3 месяца назад
21:13 I believe the CotF are at one point referred to as squirrel people.
@jdwest34
@jdwest34 3 месяца назад
Thanks
@umwha
@umwha 3 месяца назад
7:29 George could easily retcon why bran emphasized the likes of Ryam redwyne despite him not doing anything . He could have personally visited the north , given a donation or participated in a tournament in the north. Hence he’s more famous in the north but not particularly notable historically
@macncheese2392
@macncheese2392 3 месяца назад
23:17 is the corn foreshadowing?
@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay
@Sunshine-is_here_to_stay Месяц назад
Cerc was worried that liza aaron would accuse them of killing her husband
@charlespustejovsky7187
@charlespustejovsky7187 3 месяца назад
I'm guessing Preston isn't a huge Tolkien fan if he didn't like all the scenery descriptions. Bran II is probably one of my favorite chapters for this reason but then again I also love Part One of the Fellowship of the Ring so maybe I just have a type.
@iliaponomarev1624
@iliaponomarev1624 3 месяца назад
Looks like Jaime-Cersei stuff was an open secret. Everyone knew that. Maybe even Robert knew that.
@fazediamond5671
@fazediamond5671 3 месяца назад
Seems like the whole small councilor knew about it except beristan
@sonny8686
@sonny8686 3 месяца назад
HELL YEAHHHHH
@umwha
@umwha 3 месяца назад
12:23 interesting that Nymeria used to be from Valeria, and now she’s been changed to a enemy of Valeria. I would like to know what the pointof Nymeria is, and her nautical backstory even is at this point. I see no relevance to anyone .
@DaveFreeborn
@DaveFreeborn 3 месяца назад
Sweet right at the top lol
@MBF78
@MBF78 3 месяца назад
It doesn't make sense to me that Jaime and Cersei should look so much alike. Yes, they are twins, so they should look alike, but they are also paternal twins, so they shouldn't look identical to the point where they can pass for one another.
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
True, by their parents were (first?) cousins in an inbred family, so the “lottery” of genes between even non-twin boy/girl siblings would have a lot fewer wildcards in it.
@julioulloa5403
@julioulloa5403 3 месяца назад
32:20 LF tips lysa, Lysa tips robert, robert start the investigation with stanis, LF tells lysa to kill robert
@profoundpronoun4712
@profoundpronoun4712 3 месяца назад
❤❤❤
@Kob1yashi
@Kob1yashi 3 месяца назад
Lisa could have known but kept quiet for littlefinger
@jdsartre9520
@jdsartre9520 Месяц назад
you read that 2nd paragraph weirdly. The second sentence is not reasons the others were left behind. The reasons they were left behind are implied in the first sentence, by simply stating them and us knowing what we know from prior chapters.
@richardtabor8686
@richardtabor8686 3 месяца назад
yyyyuuusss!
@astrinymris9953
@astrinymris9953 3 месяца назад
I firmly believe that Bloodraven was behind Bran's crippling, because otherwise Bran would have gone south and become a knight, not gone North of the Wall to learn how to escape his "broken" body. Cersei and Jaime going to that particular ruined tower to have sex, Bran also choosing to climb that particular tower... it was all Bloodraven's manipulation. Remember, Bran was starting to fall *before* Jaime caught him. Bran was destined to fall that day, with or without Jaime's contribution. Hell, the push was probably also Bloodraven's engineering. Think about it; if Jaime wanted Bran dead, why catch him when he was slipping in the first place? All Jaime had to do was nothing, and gravity would have probably taken care of the problem for him.
@shinjinobrave
@shinjinobrave 3 месяца назад
This except it wasn't Bloodraven. It was the three eyed crow, aka Brandon Stark.
@AGuyWithAChannel
@AGuyWithAChannel 2 месяца назад
It's a bit concerning to see Preston seemingly loose the ability to read nuance or give a good-faith interpretation of an author in real time.
@randomchannel9473
@randomchannel9473 3 месяца назад
Do you think Bran could have manipulated himself into not climbing that day if he had passed by the weirwood?
@jonttopia
@jonttopia 3 месяца назад
I believe the theory is that ttBran manipulated Bran to climb and to fall
@randomchannel9473
@randomchannel9473 3 месяца назад
@@jonttopia but if he doesn't go climbing on that day, he never gets stuck in the pit
@jonttopia
@jonttopia 3 месяца назад
​@@randomchannel9473he also doesn't develop his greenseer abilities if he doesn't fall, which might be necessary to stop the others
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
@jonttopia Yes, falling is not enough to get to Cave/Children/BR. It’s falling…before/during the Lannisters being in town…with circumstances that lead Cat/Ned to make decisions that lead to war…and get WF captured and later sacked… to send the Fellowship north of the Wall.
@joefo458
@joefo458 3 месяца назад
Oops, I meant to @ mine toward randomchannel, but I read jonttopia at the begin of the reply and @‘d him instead.
@6Rock6God6
@6Rock6God6 3 месяца назад
The Winterfell architecture is mainly just set dressing. Most of it won't be important.
@danielbasich2729
@danielbasich2729 3 месяца назад
Very clearly accusing them of murdering Jon Arryn. She literally flees to the Eyrie not riverrun
@fazediamond5671
@fazediamond5671 3 месяца назад
Didn’t she leave the day Jon died tho
@FlorianMark
@FlorianMark 3 месяца назад
I ever thought it was the accusations of killing her husband because after his death she fled from the city and two chapters before we got her letter to Cat. That seems very clear to me.
@Gui101do
@Gui101do 3 месяца назад
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@ElderSchleem
@ElderSchleem 3 месяца назад
🐐
@OwenNewo619
@OwenNewo619 3 месяца назад
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@Azor19
@Azor19 3 месяца назад
@kappablanca2095
@kappablanca2095 3 месяца назад
I thought it was the fan fiction :(
@SpokesNoJokes
@SpokesNoJokes 3 месяца назад
First comment
@bevindennett
@bevindennett 3 месяца назад
Nope
@MercurialAU
@MercurialAU 3 месяца назад
Although I doubt it was george's original intention I think readers may be paying more attention to Winterfells layout and hidden passage ways in the Winds of Winter. Given the stuff that could occur at Winterfell like a siege by Stannis and/or Jon as well as Grand Northern Conspiracy things it seems likely that that would be relevant.
@ihategooglesomuch2119
@ihategooglesomuch2119 3 месяца назад
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