That's kind of a flawed statement, ABD overlooking stuff as usual. Even if it's an untamed Mahoraga, a 10S user with a bunch of cursed tools can be enough to prevent the 6 eyes + limitless user from one shotting Mahoraga by disrupting the technique, especially if the user has ISOH. Remember Sukuna cannot freely go hand to hand vs Gojo because he needs Mahoraga to keep up because he cannot use DA and 10S at the same time, using DA will unsummon the shikigamis.
@@mmshkYes, but if the six eyes user of the past was as strong as Gojo, his ten shadows opponent would have to be Sukuna’s level to protect Mahoraga, survive, and kill the six eyes user. Even Sukuna with probably higest CE amount in history (twice Yuta) + cleave and dismantle as backup + open domain + insane battle iq got Mahoraga destroyed. If the past Mahoraga managed to Ikill the six eyes user, then that six eyes user is not as strong as Gojo.
@@rattakritrattanapantowong6173 You can't read can you? Sukuna cannot use 2 CTs at once nor use DA and TS at the same time, that's why he cannot attack as he wishes. Whereas a 10S user can attack freely independent of Mahoraga, so stating cleave + dismantle, open domain, etc is meaningless in the context of 10S vs limitless + 6 eyes
@@mmshk You're the one who failed to read and comprehend because that 10S user would still have to be somewhere near Sukuna to give a Gojo level opponent a decent fight not to mention Sukuna directly has a DE which kept unlimited void in check, So yeah it's a pretty accurate statement to say that the past six eyes+limitless user was not at the same level as Gojo. It is simply way too much of a reach to even think that someone with an untamed mahoraga was able to kill a Gojo lmao, not to mentioned Gojo literally managed to exorcise a TAMED mahoraga even after it had adapted, you smoking the good kush.
I think this debate can only be done correctly after Sukuna's death. Because right now there are a lot of missing piece of the puzzle, mainly Sukuna. We still don't know what's left in his arsenal. So I think we should debate about this after the fights end.
Another Sukuna defense feat is when he took a second or so to awaken after getting hit with a 9 second Unlimited Void. It's insane because the disaster curses were out for 5 mins after just taking a measly 0.2s UV, while the normal humans around were out for 2 whole months lol
Why would a human have a brain 100x stronger/more resistant to UV than Mahito/other special grades, which Gege stated are especially resistant to. @@patrician9055
Sukuna is studying, learning and upgrading his technique during the fight. He loves his cleave technique that he's not wasting anytime to upgrade it like using maho to learn to cut and bypass gojo's infinity. Truly sukuna is more of a sorcerer than a fighter
Reminds me of when he called Yorozu's CT inefficient, really demonstrates how even though his Shrine ( if it's only cleave& dismantle) is less superior to Limitless, he could evolve it somehow and make it even better, that there's no need for an OP technique if you could just improve upon the existing CT one way or the other
@@johnfishee1048Are you a child? If you read your comment before you posted it you’d understand how illogical it is. Something doesn’t have to be out right stated (which it was) to be true
Sukuna’s main goal wasn’t just killing Gojo but to grow even stronger. Sukuna viewed simply killing Gojo as a waste of opportunity for growth. With that in mind, it makes sense why he fought the way he did
@@soltragedy5010 I don't believe that Sukuna was or just stronger than Gojo just some factors helped him and we all nee that Satoru must be die coz of plot and Sujuna must be survive as i expext but author gave him nee power up it means Gojo f......
The challenger is usually the first one to attack cause they feel like they have something to prove so it was pretty ironic when gojo called sukuna the challenger here when gojo was the first one to attack
Yeah Gojo understood the situation, he didn't want to hold back and wanted a last time to be supported by his friends, really though I feel Todo would have been a good partner for him late into the fight.
Can we just talk about how well Gege illustrated Sukuna's evil smiles throughout the GOJO fight? bro was cracked out 😂. I can't wait until they're animated
why is it always the gojo fan who won't accept the fact that Sukuna is stronger in any form yujikuna, megukuna or his original heian Sukuna they all would have won these gojo fans in the comment section are going wild they will kill Gege rather than accepting the fact
The weird thing I noticed is that megumi’s body was effected by the brain damage making sukuna unable to use domain expansion he didn’t even realize that happened and started to bleed profusely worse from the eyes and nose because a tiny bit of gojo’s was just needed to make his damage worse.
Sukuna's Brain damage was severe cause right before UV sukuna destroyed his brain like gojo to heal his burnout curse technique and right after destroying his brain he got a massive attack on his brain, I think he ignored it because of his ego he thought "nah, I'm fine'.
meh it makes no sense the more reliable option is it was because he was affected for 9 second by the uv since 0.2 second is like 3 months worth of information and he was stuck in there for 9 second safe to say it was because of uv
Sukuna’s simply superior, not only was he holding back his heian form that would’ve given him the full advantage in terms of raw strength but he didn’t even fully reveal his CT, not to mention he literally tanked every single attack but infinite void Also his RCT is superior to Gojo’s, Sukuna brought Yuji back from the dead & can heal other sorcerers while Gojo cannot
I'm convinced that most weebs like you lack reading comprehension. It's not that Sukuna was holding back, it's just that he didn't bother to use his entire arsenal (except Mahoraga) simply because it wouldn't work against Gojo.
@@Ivan-bg1jp Well pal, you can't force this theory to be 100% right, it can be, but till now its not. Have you seen other techniques of Sukuna? if not, How can you literally conclude that it won't work? and plzz don't give that dumb statement that he didn't used it against gojo that's why. Like seriously? it's even mentioned in Video also that there were ton of sorcerers watching their battle in screen, and after gojo loses, they were ready to jump him. Then why tf sukuna should show his full arsenal? So that other sorcerers observe it and find it weakness? c'mon like no smart person in existence would never do that dumb shit.
@@Ivan-bg1jp In future, if manga shows other technique of Sukuna, then we can conclude whether or not his technique will work against Infinity. Just accept the fact that Sukuna is superior to gojo. Bro if you had even watched this video properly, you would have gotten full idea yourself.
@@Ivan-bg1jp He was holding back lmfao, he took a riskier route to upgrade his technique. Otherwise he wouldve destroyed gojos domain from the inside instead of stalling for adaptions etc
@@LaBoys4Gojo's only method of dealing with Malevolent Shrine is to damage Sukuna to the point where he can't maintain his domain anymore, It would have taken longer to damage four armed Sukuna.
He had RCT so he didn't need to, what's the point of dodging something if it's not gonna hurt you basically. Yes I'm aware that in the end that's what got him, but still
@@manosbaroulakis9446 He was shown to be unable to react to Dismantle when it was firsted used in chapter 224, I believe it was. And he was again unable to react to Mahoraga's slash. It makes sense entirely that he wouldn't be able to react to Sukuna's dismantle the second time it was used as well
I feel sorry for fellow gojo fans. Why can’t y’all take the fact that he could have killed gojo in 3 chapters if he brought back his body or actually tried instead of the author making a story out of it.. sukuna comes out on top either way. Gojo said it himself
Not i am not sure and , I would lose are 2 very diffrent things. Also sukuna would have died in 3 chapters also if he didn't have info about gojos domain from yuji , so heian era sukuna wouldn't and he would simply get hit by uv and die in 3 chapters , he should have died in chapter 229 but plot of course.
Sukuna is a perfect fighter all around with his only flaw being how much he gambled on Mahoraga identifying a weakness in neutral infinity, while Gojo is a close second his only weakness is that he relies on the invulnerability that neutral limitless gives him. Even without his neutral limitless no one else in the verse would be able to beat him but when faced with an near equal opponent it really came down to seeing who’s weakness could be exploited faster, a way around neutral limitless without having to use domain amplification because it would shut off his innate technique or Sukuna playing too risky and exposing himself to Unlimited Void allowing for Gojo to land a Hollow Purple completely unblocked.
Sukuna's confidence in his all calculations and powers is what always gets me...I mean he is entitled to have that confidence with all the knowledge and experience. Gambling 😀 do be looking fun after reading hakari's fight.
Yes, I agree with your analysis. Sukuna and Gojo are both perfect fighters all around, with only minor flaws. Sukuna's flaw is that he is a gambler, and he is willing to take risks even if it means putting himself in danger. Gojo's flaw is that he relies too heavily on his neutral Limitless technique.
A lot of the top tiers are very similar in jjk, whenever they’re put in a real fight they always tend to risk it all instead of playing safe and that’s why their technique and thus their strength always seem to grow
By near equal opponent you def mean sukuna is definitely stronger. There was no gamble. Sukuna could turn into Heian era form at any moment and just kill gojo and return to 100% health but also with buffs. Nothing was stopping sukuna from doing that and just domain expanding when gojo was still unable to. Nothing but the option of upgrading his tech. Gojo didn’t even get pass the first of 2 health bars in his boss fight against the king of curses. Stop tip riding. Sukuna was NEVER in danger. At all.
Wait... Im confused. Has anyone even watched the video before they commented? Im seeing still seeing stuff like "Sukuna still needed Mahoraga" or "Gojo wins the domain clashes." When the video literally addresses both of those. One comment said "When did the manga say gojo was stronger." Again, already addressed by multiple instances. Is there some kind of joke, or is it just a bunch of gojo glazers in denial.
@@sauravagnihotri8156 I thought theyve already mentioned Sukuna wasnt even using amplification when they were fighting hand to hand in the first place. So if Sukuna could have at least weaken gojo a little through the means of martial arts. Also, Sukuna has his domain. He still has win conditions to fight Gojo, and that whole time he was taking risks. Heian form Sukuna would definitely triumph over Gojo in domain clashes. Without Heian, it's probably a close fight. All Sukuna has to do is to run time, and Gojo's stamina will get drained along with his CE. While Sukuna supposedly has tons more CE than Gojo, which should be easy. Even with six eyes, Gojo couldn't keep up with the battle of CE reserves.
Sukuna is literally like Thanos. Many thinks that he may not be that strong without infinity stones but he is powerful enough to be the most worthy being to use infinity stones unlike any other beings in the MCU
Not really. Considering Thanos got clowned by a fat Thor and Captain America in Endgame pre-Infinity Stones and one of his opponents was at his best but was just a human on super-steroids, and the other was most certainly not at their best. Honestly, quite a fair portion of the Avengers would have the ability to take down pre-Infinity Stones Thanos. It be a tough fight but nothing they can't achieve without some moxie. Sukuna, it's hard to humor anyone beating him at this point. Only reason people say Yuji is because "he's the main character" but outside of that, there isn't much evidence. While Thanos is strong, he wasn't to the point of being monstrously invincible relative to who he was going up against. Sure, he beat Hulk that one time. Most of the other fights he utilized the Infinity Stones.
@@GoodwillWright Thanos may had to rely on infinity stones to defeat avengers in infinity war but he is the one who was able to use those stones far better than than any avenger hero in the mcu. And this what Sukuna has also done in Megumi's body. Many fans thought Sukuna couldn't have done anything to Gojo without Megumi's body but he was powerful enough to use Megumi's skill to that point where no characters in jjk manga except Gojo and Kenjaku was able to use their own skill to that level
@@SyanvCian I know that. But the point of difference is that even without Megumi's body, he is still a nigh unbeatable threat. Thanos doesn't quite fit that. Thanos is strong without the Infinity Stones, but the Avengers have a roster of powerful characters that could give him a run for his money, or outright beat him like Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, probably Hulk if he were in a better place. Prime Thor, etc... While with Sukuna, the only person pre-plot who could have had a chance of beating him was Gojo and even that had doubts. Again, I just think respective to the story, Sukuna serves as a different kind of threat compared to Thanos. Not to mention their motivations.
Is this even debatable? It is heavily implied that Heian Era Sukuna is simply superior, and it is highly unlikely Gojo could have contested him in the domain fight in his true form. Gojo himself acknowledges Sukuna's superiority and that he did not go all out. We still don't even have the reveal of his curse technique.
@@sauravagnihotri8156except for the fact that gojo lost every domain battle,and the last one he was able to escape because he damaged sukuma to the point where he couldnt keep up domain(gojo tards purposely forget that sukuna wasnt using rct to heal himself),so not one time has gojo lv has won over a malevolent shrine which is not even casted by a full power sukuna
@@sauravagnihotri8156 They were evenly matched in refinement, but only Sukuna could destroy Gojo's domain by attacking the barrier itself since Sukuna has a barrierless domain. With his added strength and speed of his true form, and the ability to use incantations and an extra set of arms (which allows him to fight while doing handsings), Gojo would not have the same options. Moreover, Sukuna only tanked blows to setup up Mahoraga. Gojo himself notes that Sukuna is making it harder on himself for no reason he could discern...the reason which is later revealed to be his Mahoraga strategy. Gojo would just have lost in the domain stage against Heian Sukuna.
I'm truly a Gojo fan but this video proves that Gojo really had no chance of winning against any of the versions of Sukuna. Bro was even holding back 😭
Him “holding back” I think means that literally anything else in his arsenal won’t work on Gojo except for Mahoraga, Malevolent Shrine, and domain amplification. Most of his arsenal was blocked off because of Gojo’s infinity, for example Yorozu’s gift that can strike lightning at opponents, which would’ve been fairly useless against Gojo.
Sukuna is evenly matched with Gojo in terms of martial arts from the fight, but Gojo mostly won the hand to hand combat because he used his limitless to throw Sukuna around and get openings
And that matters because? That's Gojo using his technique along with his martial arts to be more effective. Imagine if someone said that Sukuna's martial arts only got better because he has 4 arms instead of 2 arms now. Ok? What's your point.
Now I think about it sukuna really out here using different techniques like it’s nothing 😂 literally overlooked kinda how he used megumis body way better than megumi himself, did things even megumi could never ever do 😂 Sukuna is literally the definition of a Jujutsu sorcerer. Can’t wait to see who will stop him, could someone be even stronger than sukuna 👀
Get over the Gojo would beat Sukuna debate !! Gojo admitted in the end that Sukuna is way stronger than him. He said that he used all his powers and years of training in the fight, but it wasn't enough. Sukuna has 4 arms and multiple mouths , he can chant multiple techniques at once while engaging in hand to hand combat . Furthermore how can y'all say Gojo can straight out defeat Sukuna when WE DO NOT KNOW HIS CURSE TECHNIQUE YET !!! The man purposely refrained from using his full power against Goji , meanwhile Goji went all out . I love Goatjo but he got his cheeks clapped , that fight was enjoyable but Sukuna toyed with him no matter how you look at . Give up the theories and assumptions , the author of the manga said what he said all comments there after are irrelevant .
THANK YOU. This literally isn't even a debate it's literally right there, in the same chapter that sukuna beats gojo, gojo specifically says that mahoraga or not he didn't know if he could beat sukuna. This implies that sukuna has more tricks up his sleeve even if he didn't have mahoraga.
Gojo did not admit that "Sukuna is way stronger than him" He was only doubting whether he would still win against Sukuna if he didn't have the ten shadow ability. If you're going to share information, do so correctly atleast.
@@vegitogamer8424 does it matter anymore?!?!? Gojo is dead and Sukuna was written to be what he is currently in the manga !! After seeing everything currently unfolding in the manga do you think GOJO would stand a chance if Sukuna used his full form like he is now ?!?! IMO Gojo’s fate was sealed since the chapter Sukuna told him he was the first one he’s going put down once he gets out
It really just came down to bypassing Limitless, Sukuna had a counter for every ability Gojo possessed outside of limitless, but Sukuna realized he couldn’t harm what he couldn’t touch, and once he saw Megumi use Mahoraga he found his way to defeat Saturo Gojo, the whole fight was basically him using himself as a punching bag while Mahoraga adapted to limitless, once that happened he no longer needed Megumi’s body or the 10 Shadows
@bruhbruh8892 no what i am trying to say is, people are saying that sukuna could amp his dismantels using hand signs, but domain expansions are stated to be the peak of jujutsu. So i am pretty sure sukunas dismantles are already at their max power inside his domain.
@bruhbruh8892 also even if sukuna used chants to increase the power of his dismantle it wouldn’t matter because without the domain expansion, sukunas dismantle won’t touch gojo.
It's nice having someone give the best explanation to everyone on why heian sukuna wins, I've thought of all the points in the vid but to have someone make a video on it is just amazing
You do know DE exist right? And sukuna can overwhelm him there and end him quicker? If sukuna wasnt 0.01 sec late casting domain gojo wouldve died there becuz he has braindamage and sukuna wouldve never been hit by UV
Gojo admitted Sukuna was stronger but also said he doesn’t know if he could win even without Sukuna having Maharaga. I hate that Gege made Gojo make both of those statements because it kind of leave a debate still.
Right, and the only thing Gojo stans care about is his superiority over others, so you can't get away with claiming Gojo > Heian Sukuna anymore. Seethe.
@@jirenthegray5776 I mean gojo carried the series😂😂... It's like Messi carrying Barca ... One made series op and other mede team op so ... Yeah people will remember jjk and first thing which comes to their would be gojo doesn't matter if he is the strongest or not .... So yeah there are always gonna be gojo stans and in opposite there will be sukuna stans
@@vatsaljanani7603no he didn’t carry shit. He isn’t even in 50% of the chapters. You just need to come out the closet and stop munching gojos meat for a living
Sukuna quite literally stuck with Megumi's body as a form of training. Similar to DBZ characters using weighted clothing, Sukuna weakened himself in order to grow stronger and permanently remove the threat of the Limitless + Six Eyes combo
That’s fan canon bro and it’s made up. like you genuinely made that up 😭 Sukuna was plotting on megumi since day one cause he KNEW how strong the 10 shadows was. The easiest way to debunk this argument is by asking the question. If sukuna used megumis body as a means to nerf himself, why not stay in yujis who has no cursed technique and no inate domain.
@@QrowTheGoat If you read the fight between Sukuna and Gojo, Sukuna literally explained that he used Mahoraga to be able to learn how to cut through infinity. Kenjaku also asked Sukuna if he sticking with Megumi's form instead of turning back into his Heian era form and Sukuna replies "for now". I never said he knew he was going to use Mahoraga from the start of his interest in Megumi since he didn't know about it, but the moment Mahoraga was gone and he had no more use for the 10 Shadows, he reverted back to his Heian era form since he gained his new world cutting slashes.
@@upliftlizard1715 Yeah he used Maho to bypass infinity because he literally had NO other way, if he did then he definitely would have use his Heian form 😭
@@kev6979 Heian era would have won likely in the first round, seeing as he has 4 arms, hand to hand would be much more in his favour and he (likely) has better raw stats, so he wouldn't get hit by infinite void due to the fraction of a second time gap between the 2 domains opening. Also your whole argument falls apart considering Gojo stated in 236 that Sukuna was holding back AND that he doesn't know if he would win even if Sukuna didn't have 10 shadows
@@knull9499 he knew what he was but didn't know how his ability functioned mahoraga is the "crown jewel" of the zenin clan the zenin clan is hundreds of years old of course sukuna would know of mahoraga's existence
Finally someone who can truly understand the battle and not one of those toxic fans who keeps spouting nonsense which is a extremely disrespectful to the author and to Gojo himself
@@soraceant Nah, the fans are rabid simply because their favorite character died. You'd assume most of them were illiterate if you looked at their arguments.
@@usnairframer go to 18:20 and see the difference between you an a real Gojo fan. Gojo is definitely strong but it doesn't change the fact that he lost and I guess in the perspective of a delusional Gojo fans they think he can't be defeated unless he was cheated which is why those toxic fans came up with their own story while they forgot that Gojo isn't invincible (proof: Sukuna was able to cut him during their Domain Expansion battle) but he's just way stronger compared to the other characters that would of course exclude Sukuna
lol instead of tryna be special to get the creators attention. think how many fans like you come to comments for open discussions and opinions about what's going on in the manga. chill out its a community
I've more or less been thinking about this since the end of the battle, and I think part of why sukuna defeated gojo the way he did, was because he cared more about being able to slice through infinity, rather than defeating Gojo.
he would’ve fought sukuna when he hit the 15f mark and somehow find a way to preserve yuji in the shibuya arc. so 5 finger sukuna wouldnt do shit@@animeuploader4992
He is from 1000 yr old heian era... He was even yhe strongest in those era... He is not some small fry neither is he stupid to face someone directly... He planned out the whole battle.. he wasn't lying when he said he knows real jujutsu... He just finds loophole for every technique... He even tamed the divine general which was impossible feat for the zen'in as well..
Even GOJO himself declarations are coping by his own fans 🤡🤡🤡🤡 I feel bad for him to have the dumbest fanbase of Anime history 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. This video is just Perfect, even the hits Gojo landed at sukuna was just on purpose(the Wheel) the Fight would be faster if sukuna wasn't just Grambling around for fun and studying (Even Gojo himself stated that sukuna was taking the most difficults ways on purpose but fans are 🤡) . With HEIAN sukuna sorry but Gojo has less chances of winning cause in Domains clashs Sukuna would win everytimes and push Gojo brain to Fried and even inside the domains instead of just using cleaves sukuna could One shot Gojo with Thunder weapon that literally SPEEDBLITZ kashimo, Gojo, without limitless here would be dead and in hand to hand Sukuna can restrain him with two hands and another hands just doing domain expansion mudra 😂 or just throwing him the thunder. C'MON Gojo fans just accept he's the Second One.
Gojo is my boy(like he is everyone elses)but Sakuna is on a different level without Megumi's techniques....I think it comes down to the experience Sakuna has and his vast knowledge of what curse energy is
sukuna needs to pull off an attack that he couldn't come up with in a 1000 years of life, I can't lie unless sukuna is extremely lucky he is not pulling that off without mahoraga.
impossible to say this because we've never seen a Original Sakuna without 10 shadows and without knowledge of who Gojo & his technique is, fight Gojo. Think about it. Sakuna himself stated that he learned how to adapt to anything because of Mahoraga. Meaning...If he didn't have Mahoraga, he wouldn't have found a way to beat Gojo.
The thing is, storytelling wise, Sununa had to win, but Gege also had to make an epic fight between Gojo and Sukuna, for the Gojo Fans. But there is not much epic fighting potential when Sukuna‘s technique is simply cutting. He had the decision to end the fight in one chapter with one clean cut or extend it to make Gojo fans happy.
Already said long ago Sukuna has more knowledge and thats why he would win. Raw power output isn't always the answer. You gotta study your opponent and cut them down when they you give them a flase sense of weakness. I also said Gojo couldn't win because he can't even destroy the fingers so how would he destory the body?
He cannot destroy the finger because it is a cursed object. They have to be activated before you can destroy them. This isn't limited to sukuna but every cursed object... Sukuna being in Yuji's body is what made him understand all of Gojo's techniques lol
@jimohabdulqudus4283 Well, I just assumed Sukuna would still be kind of be like a cursed object in a sense, especially in his true form. I didn't really think the immortality would go away. I can see how it doesn't make much sense, though.
Still ABD just explained what would have happened if Sukuna full powered GOJO (i mean if Sukuna didn't knew about Gojo techniques he would have full powered gojo and thus fight ends in 3-4 chapter and Sukunas cleave/dismantle won't evolve.
Bruh.........why everyone keep sayin Sukuna got 1000 yrs of experience??ಠ﹏ಠ Man waz 'SeaLeD' for a 1000 yrs ,unlike kenjaku. So all hiz experiences/ knowledge are still only from his lifetime in ze heian era.
It's an assumption that is almost confirmed, Choso honed his technique while as a womb/object, it is no surprise to think Sukuna could do the same. The other factor is that the narrator speaks as if Sukuna is still active while his fingers are split, saying that "hasn't felt fear for 1000 years" would be excessive or pointless if he couldn't even feel fear for 1000 years regardless. Lastly it is possible that his fingers have been previously eaten by spirits but never a human, and in doing so he still got to spectate or have consciousness, that is until a human (Yuji) ate it for him to be freed. I think this is why people mention the 1000 years of experience, but you're right in saying that technically Kenjaku has true 1000 years of experience.
theoretically h.e. Sukuna, would beat Gojo but that would be after several hundreds of trial and error modifications of his c.t. the point of Mahoraga was to give Sukuna that one model which he could use to beat Gojo. If it was not about Mahoraga, then Sukuna would've died after being hit by Infinite Void. Unlike Malevolent Shrine, Infinite Void's sure hit would simply incapacitate the target.
As if Gojo would give Sukuna time to do that. Even with Mahoraga, Sukuna nearly died. Without Mahoraga, Gojo would have killed Sukuna before he learned how to bypass infinity.
@@Frownzz well not really, this is assuming that UV would actually hit. The only reason UV hit was because sukuna took a risky route breaking down gojos DE which caused him to sustain alot of dmg. In Golden age form, he wouldnt of sustained neraly as much dmg allowing him to actually clash again with gojo, because he wouldnt be taking that risky route not to mention he now has 2 extra arms that is gonna prevent even more dmg in H2H combat, which would result in sukuna just breaking down his domain again and then finishing it off with a MS.
Eh gotta think about it more than just that, this is assuming that UV would actually hit and that sukuna is incapable of opening his DE again. The only reason UV hit was because sukuna took a risky route breaking down gojos DE which caused him to sustain alot of dmg. As a result of UV hitting, sukuna is now unable to open his DE. In Golden age form, he wouldn't of sustained nearly as much dmg allowing him to actually clash again with gojo, because he wouldn't be taking that risky route, not to mention he now has 2 extra arms that is gonna prevent even more dmg in H2H combat, which would result in sukuna just breaking down his domain again and then finishing it off with a MS.
@@joshwilliams4874 I’m sorry that’s to long I’m not reading it I’m sure it’s something well thought out but your words fall on deaf ears for I am a gojo simp
Simple, Sukuna fights using the Minimum-principle and Gojo the maximum. Sukuna needs to kill Gojo while using the absolute Minimum of his power. Gojo has a hard set of Abilities to use and has to deal Maximum Damage. So Yes Sukuna could have won without Mahoraga since as I said Mahoraga was the weakest thing Sukuna could use that was still able to kill Gojo
The only thing Sakuna could use that could bypass infinity was amplification and DE. He would have to kill Gojo in DE which is if possible if he used other techniques but Gojo is very durable with CE. That's why dismantle and cleave was doing shallow cuts on him. Take away DE, Sakuna was ysing amplification the entire fight and was losing in cqc and most everything else bc he couldn't bypass infinity. Maho saved Sakuna twice in that fight. If Sakuna never summoned Maho before that black flash he would've died.
@@Theonefrombeyonnope blossom effect is the reason why I use to always think it was his ce made him durable but it was actually blossom emotion tanking the attacks and his rct healing him.
@@Superiorbeinggg nah he was tanking the attacks, when he used blossom he wasnt taking the attacks at all bc blossom instantly reflects or cancel out the attacks. And by the time he used blossom it was more than 2 DE fights in. Gotta remember Sakuna regular dismantle was cutting ppl in half and limbs off while a stronger Sakuna use DE all it was doing was giving him open cuts and that's it.
@@Superiorbeinggg just looked it up ch227 he used it after 2 DEs. The cuts were more shallow when he used blossom bc he's bleeding less but he overall took way less DMG than everyone else who went against dismantle.
This disillusion gojo fans are really coming at you bro😂 I beat they didn't even watch the video and comment your video is misinformation just cause you say heian era sukuna win🤡.... From what I see this pinoyjaku is the one that telling them to spread hate comments on your video
@@foadnashef7288 I have been following jjk for a years now and I can tell you 80% of the video is correct..... And I can't find this pinoyjaku guy video about the debunked so can you tell me what that guy said
@@nirbanjyotidas582880% of this video is correct? The guy didn’t even prove anything to why ailing would win it’s just based off headcanon and delusions.smh
From a more doylist perspective I think Gege never planned for the whole mahoraga thing to occur and never planned most of this. I just think he used what he had to work out better than expected.
@@southterano4020The only foreshadowing was Mahoraga using cleave but Mahoraga could never use his Master' CT throughout the whole manga. It's an exclusive thing that happened in the Sukuna vs Gojo alone.
Sukuna will most likely win bc Gojo won't be able to draw a DE against Sukuna anymore. Sukuna also can use his CT in domain battles since he doesn't have to use 10 shadows.
@@Nam_Le4 k I am sukuna fan but his Ct will not bypass in the domian cause even in domian gojo has infinity. Though their is argument that since he can use his CT cause he is not using the wheel he can just shoot a cleave or dismantle at his feet which is part of the barrier this breaking gojos from inside.
@@kratosyt-_-_4858 Gojo's infinity is deactivated after his domain is destroyed, that's why he needed to buy time with Simple Domain and Falling Blossom to replenish his burnt out Limitless with RCT.
heian era gets slammed 😭🙏 he has no wcs, no knowledge of gojos moveset or infinity, no mahoraga lol we saw how badly sukuna was getting his ass whopped 1 on 1 the dude needed a 3v1 to just BARELY win lol and also to the people with zero fucking reading comp. gojo said he MIGHT have lost to sukuna without ten shadows lol not that he 100% would have lol gojo would've beat sukuna right when he entered infinite void so yes heian era gets fucking washed
No Gojo didn't get stronger he's been that strong lmao. Its just we never seen Gojo fight all out prior to that fight. If Gojo would've fought 15 finger Sakuna he would've washed him
@@Mosaic-xerox no the prison realm showed him that he could condensed the DE that's about it. I don't remember them saying it did anything else. Gojo was already extremely advanced with DE already. Just like he was the first person to use 0.2 DE, Gojo just got the idea of condensing the DE. Pretty sure before that he was already changing conditions to battle Sakuna DE.
PS. The waffle dismantles that killed Kashimo were the world slasher one’s not the base MS dismantle which was before the expansion of the technique. So i don’t think Gojo can heal from the dismantle that killed Kashimo.
Would kenjaku brain be in a vegetative state or explode if he took over gojo since gojo has the six eyes his brain can handle that amount of informatipn but kenjaku brain isn't made to handle that amount of information and it may lead him into a vegetative state and even sukuna isn't immune to gojo infinite void.
I'm pretty sure the six eyes passes to some else the moment they die, like the avatar, becouse the only one six eyes thing, and the fact that kenjaku already confirmed killing a baby with the six eyes and he didn't posses the body
It definitely wouldn’t just using infinity and everything, but maybe if he used infinite void because kenjaku, even if he is the one using it through gojos body, he isn’t gojo. Infinite void is probably kenjaku’s worst nightmare
The guys saying Gojo should of won are so annoying dude, Sukuna wasn’t even close to using his full strength. He still hasn’t revealed his technique for a buff, nor do we know the extent of his abilities
If that was the case he would have use this “technique” to boost himself or the “extent of his ability”. But wait that’s just headcannon. At the end of the day yes he couldn’t go all out because Gojo INFINITY didn’t allow for none of his technique to go through it. If there was he would have used it. At the end of the day he needed Maho to learn how to defeat Gojo
@@LaBoys4 the purpose of the battle was for them to learn how to defeat Sukuna or learn his technique, by using only the ten shadows he was able to hide his technique and all his strategies. It was a self imposed nerf and I really don’t think he needed the ten shadows to defeat Gojo. Gojo himself stated that
@@samuelh.8896 your taking that panel of what Gojo said out of context. When he said he couldnt go all out (referring to sukuna) he means because of his ability INFINITY, Sukuna couldnt use all of his power. If Sukuna was able to use all of his power to defeat Gojo, he would have since that’s more align to his character that he shows he’s better with his own CT. Your making up your own headcannon, the manga shows and tells why he did all that and why he needed Maho
Not to mention that gojo teleporting away will just put d battle to a stalemate Sukuna can easily dodge hp since he could react to a hp right in front of him with no presence and blocked it with enhanced arms as stated by him in either 232 or 233 And lib purple will do nothing to a sukuna who doesn't have dropping RCT burnout due to brain damage
Finally, these exact reasons as discussed in the video are the exact logic I have in mind and have been explaining. In addition, the current Heian Era form is at "19" Fingers + Mummified Head power level. How much powerful will Sukuna become if he is in Heian Era form with a complete soul, meaning at "20" Fingers + Mummified Head power level instead of "19" Fingers (Assuming the last or 20th finger was obtained)?
Yeah, the last piece of his soul is the key. Even when he said that his mumified head would be enough to made up for the last finger, still the last piece of his soul exist and will give a significant effect, I think. I think we'll eventually get to that later
If Sukuna were to regain his complete soul, he would become incredibly powerful. It is difficult to say exactly how much more powerful he would become, but it would certainly be a significant increase. In his current form, Sukuna is already one of the most powerful beings in the Jujutsu Kaisen universe. He is able to easily defeat even the strongest jujutsu sorcerers. With his complete soul, Sukuna would be even more powerful. He would likely be able to defeat any opponent, regardless of their strength.
There’s also the strong possibilities that heian era sukuna may or may not have such as: 1:Using incantations/signs to refine his DE 2: meguna and gojo were pretty relative in h2h (when sukuna wasn’t tanking it for adaptions) and thus Heian Sukuna with 2 more arms would be stronger 3:The incantation/signs shown by sukuna would likely cause more damage to gojo (for example the neck slash) and even death. It could also contribue to slower rct for gojo 4: yet again, incantations/signs could be used to strengthen his Cleave/dismantle to be able to attack effectively Gojo’s DE from the inside which would inevitably make him lose.
You said there relative to head 2head , how can u say that when meguna woukd of lost 3 times ? And was loosing majority of the fight ? That’s not relative imo js
Yes sakuna can use more signs but we don’t know 1. How much the amp is to the ap Yes sakuna domain at 120% was able to cut gojo but the cuts weren’t all that deep , gojo more then likely will be able to tank it still it will just cause more damage
@@GEEKEDANIMENERDbruh he literally said they were relative when sukuna didn't start the adaptation process which is true. They were equal in the first h2h sequence which was before sukuna started playing defensive in order to adapt. Hein sukuna would maul gojo in h2h combat
This is ultimately what it devolves into; sukunas ONLY win condition is MAYBE his domain whereas Gojo’s is literally everything else. It would be pretty redundant and an obvious retcon if you could use hand signs to strengthen your domain. Why has it never been eluded to before? Why didn’t kenjaku do it? Why didn’t Dagon do it? Gojo and Sukuna hand to hand are NOT RELATIVE, Gojo was dragging him around the entire fight and was still fine in a 3v1. 2 extra arms does not close the gap in speed and strength
@@Kenisgoat abd did bring a good point , gojo only had 3 min and 14 seconds cause that’s how long his domain would last , and in that time frame against heian era sakuna with da it can be a challenge and gojo might not win that one. Terms of strength gojo is stronger then meguna but 4 arms prob not , Speed is debatable im on the fence if we need more 4 arms feats we have him blitzing kashimo but what feats do kashimo have ? Not really any so his speed feats aren’t well know , all we know is he comparable to hakari or faster then him But sakuna had to use a distraction to catch kashimo off guard to hit him so I need more speed feats before I can say who’s faster imo But rn my theory is sakuan 4 arm form has to be slower or have a endurance problem , he stated in chapter meguna was much more better for combat then anything
I think reading the fight week to week favored Gojo because we didn't have the full picture of what Sukuna was trying to achieve and why he chose such a strategy to fight Gojo but after it was finished and reading the interaction and fight of Sukuan vs Kashimo, taking your time to understand and analyze all the details you realize that Sukuna was the stronger opponent and was always goning to win. He had his cursed tool from Yaraozu, Full RCT by reviving his Heian Era original body and revealing his CT which we still don't know. It's a shame that regardless of this Sukunas reputation was destroyed due to all ths bs fraud allegations and that the jjk fandom has been spilt due to the battle and how because so many people fanboy over Gojo his death was not received well at all and also JJKs reputation took a lot of damage and a lot of fans left the series due to Gojos death, misinterpreting the whole battle as well as Gojos final words in the after life.
I know this is almost a year old and you prolly think much differently now 1. Gojo needed to be humble as he now is truly awakened 2. Sukuna using megumis body is the biggest advantage to mess with Gojos mind That's his adopted son He did so much training to make sure to save megumi It bothers him so much he mentions it right off It's the first thing he says Not about himself About his son Sukuna best chance was throwing Gojo off with megumis body Gojo doesn't want to show weakness and this bothers him he most You don't waste time training on things to save megumi if you don't care I would say was there any point where sukuna didn't press if Gojo was hurt No Neither of them held back The fight would not be satisfying if one of them held back They admire each other This is way more romantic then you realize
I feel it mainly comes down to getting pass Gojo’s “Limitless”. Well only the defensive aspect of it. Sukuna wouldn’t be worried about Blue, Red, or Purple. In every aspect other than “Hand to Hand combat” and maybe “Creativity” Sukuna is better than Gojo at everything else. I just hope Gojo comes back
Gojo would’ve been smoked first domain if it wasn’t for Kenjacku and the prison realm period. He had to CONSTANTLY have his CT 6 eyes and infinity on 100% while who knows how long in the prison realm were he can’t die. I wonder who was released from the prison realm though. But 100% without a doubt Kenjackus true motives with the prison realm was to buff Gojo. Gojo could’ve spent 10 years in there this his RCT on 100% of the time for all we know.
The Sukuna meat riding has to stop. How do you offscreen gojo with a new technique out the ass. It’s easy to see Gege nerfs gojo and kills him for the plot and forces gojo to admit defeat…
I think Gojo likely believing Sakuna was a good sorcerer. So his comment wasn't an outright "nah I'd lose", it's more like "idk what else he had, so likely it could of went worst or another way out of my favor". Realistically, I think he had a better chance winning had he not been pressured to use purple, mostly because it would take away any real chance of defeating mahoraga whom was strong enough to tank attacks and become immune as well as harm him, so ultimately, it would have been a faster slope to lose. Had Gojo not been caught off guard by the WCS, he would have won this moment. I think more blues and reds vs sukuna he'd lose eventually, but mahoraga was a good counter
Sukuna would of won either way because he is superior in every way. Gojo wouldn’t beat heian era Sukuna because he wouldn’t hit Sukuna with his domain due to Sukuna having superior body and would of win in hand to hand combat.
Knowing all of this now, I think its fair to say 15F Sukuna during the shibuya arc would body Shibuya Gojo. Same logic applies, Gojo wouldn't make it out of the first domain battle.
@@neb2777 they do. If 20 finger sukuna was equal to Gojo, why would 15 finger sukuna match Gojo. That doesn't make sense. The precision wouldn't be there
Like I don’t have to watch the video to know that Sukuna wins even without the ten shadows sukuna who was getting outsped by kashimo which gojo wasn’t doing. After he transformed into his real body he completely overpowered and blized him plus he knows the technique to kill gojo
Kashimo "outsped" a one armed Sukuna that was quite literally on the brink of death. Pretty much anyone watching the fight at that point could have done that. Even Yuji could've done that.
Every Sukuna meat rider watches this video and says it’s “proof” meanwhile the RU-vidr forgets Heian era Sukuna doesn’t have yujis knowledge but I forgot “Sukuna would just understand how it works” glazing is crazy
Why do you want to put sukuna in a hard situation while comparing him to Gojo at his peak? " heian era sukuna doesn't have knowledge on gojos domain " why make that condition ? I can also say let's compare shibuya Gojo who hasn't experienced the prison realm which was the main reason for him to keep up in the domain battle ? If u want to compare 2 characters , give them the same conditions then This video is about how the fight would go if sukuna didn't have the 10s , that's it There is no need to make excuses as he wouldn't know about infinite void or gojos limitless
Dang ABD. I am also a huge Gojo fan, but the way you went over everything and also all the points you made, were all very pretty valid. (Yeah i know i am 9 months late lol)
17:52 LOL you do realize that the moment Gojo lost the first domain clash, he did in fact try to run away with his tail between his legs? Sukuna had to intercept him to keep him pinned within the radius. Also he legit started the fight by attacking Sukuna off guard with the others. He is quite cowardly.
Everyone says gojo would land infinte void on sukuna but that wouldn't work the only reason he got hit by it bc he wanted mahoraga to adapt to his domain but since heain era sukuna wouldn't need mahoraga to adpat theres no need for him to take it
For the Higuruma and yuji vs sukuna, i think that he will be accused of the slaughter of Shibuya arc. His response would be yuji admitted to guilty before and he can get away scott free.
