Good SNES clones that ALSO plays NES games? 

Maybe for the two suckers who bought this garbage 😂

Yeah, this is one of those rare systems that actually is a clone and not some emulation crap. It's quite good.

...yeah but how do the controllers smell?

@@RetroCore Do they sell a lot of hand hell consoles that emulate roms or it's illegal in Japan?

@@Stella-ri5ex it's a complicated life here. These clones are a dime a dozen in lots of shops. Emulation is right out, though. Unless you're approved by... someone. So, yea, this one could be sold no problem... Except... it plays super famicom games AND comes with games. Those are big no nos. Unless you have... something that others don't. I have no idea what that is, nobody does. So yea, complicated.

Is this same one you and madlittlepixel have?

Ah, the Retro was an emulation device that dumped cartridges before playing them. This one is a little different.

@@RetroCore It was actually the RetroN 3 which in fact used salvaged chips from donor boards unlike the current 5 which uses an emulation layer as a cheap route. Still was an interesting watch, quite intriguing to see essentially a Super Famiclone SOC thats also backwards compatible

Thanks for watching. Yeah, while this isn't the best in quality it does a reasonable job and a worthy option if a real snes cost too much in your part of the world.

@@RetroCore great video

Lol, I can't say I disagree but I bet many people would. Playing in 16:9 is just as bad as shooting video in portrait mode 🙄😡

Ooh, you're missing out on some good gaming there. Well, except for Unholy Night. That's a bit poor.

Yeah, the audio is the worst aspect of this system. But at least it sounds correct, just that it is in mono. It's refreshing to see a real clone rather than some emulated crap.

The Super FamiCom and SNES in all regions was trying to promote the use of A/V cables and S-Video cables for best possible image quality and full STEREO sound so if this clone only does mono sound output then that's a flaw with the clone NOT with the official Nintendo hardware especially considering that NEC PC-ENGINE Super CD-ROM2 was also promoting the use of A/V cables and the 1988 Sega MegaDrive and even the launch year 1989 Genesis was promoting (a bit weakly since you only had to read the system manual) the use of both A/V cables and RGB since 1988 and 1989... You cannot blame televisions because they too depend on the brand name and model where some televisions didn't bother to offer stereo sound or even more than ONE sound speaker because of being a lower priced model... I purchased a brand new RCA brand 27 inch CRT in 1992 which retailed for $250 to $300 at the store I worked at where I got the additional employee discount and with the launch 1991 SNES, every time I purchased a game in 1991 and early 1992 it kept telling you in the instruction manual that it was best to use the RCA or A/V cables for full stereo sound... on Sega I don't recall the same information other than supposedly being able to buy headphones or use separate speakers since Sega of America never bothered to really hype the A/V cables much less hype the stereo capabilities of the Sega Genesis around 1991 to 1992 when I purchased my own systems. Hey mark I have a question... you said this plays Sega MegaDrive Genesis games... can you put MD/Gen roms and even MIII/SMS roms in the standard SNES everdrive type Cartridges and play the games that way? What are the chances this also can handle NEC PC-Engine roms? might be worth trying out to know.

To play Mega Drive and GBC games, you need to use special cartridges. You can't just add roms to a snes / SFC Everdrive.

Is that bad its mono? What games are affected or become bad from not having left right same volume reverb speakers lol

@@rustymixer2886 Even if its mono, the sound quality itself its not bad

Thank you 👍

@@RetroCore I’m now a subscriber! Can’t wait to see more of your content.

That 4:3 switch is a God send for people who don't have an aspect ratio on their TV.

@@RetroCore if only a genesis version could be made with decent sound and no lag

That's true about older clones but they were kind of rare when it came to Nintendo. There was a real hardware clone on the PC Engine too. In fact there were three. One looked like the PC Engine shuttle as well.

I don't have one of those but I don't see why not. If an Everdrive via a Super GameBoy works then it be fine.

soft picture probably scrubs "shimmer" effects when scrolling w/ imperfect pixel scaling

The soft image is very noticeable during the side by side comparisons and also when playing normally but not as much. It is a shame they didn't put more effort in to the HDMI but at least it is clean.

@@RetroCore Do you think it's better than the hyperkin snes clone? i do love the super famicom shell haha

@@jonniefast Hyperkin is an emulation machine, I'd say this is better.

@@souljastation5463 depends on the model i should have clarified, the retron5 is emulation (questionable) / snesHD is a system on a chip

Hehe, nice.

For the sound it depends upon the chip being used. It's possible that the chip outputs stereo but the manufacturer was lazy.

As long as your system plays games as well as you want, it's all good 👍

The sound is not good with the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive converter/adapter

You're welcome.

Nice...I bet the picture looks really good playing it that way.

So do you know if the NES cartridge will work on real SNES/SFC hardware?

@@SatoshiMatrix1 99% positive. Unless they really tweaked with Electronics inside

@@KISSbestfan What confuses me is how it would work. NES clones are almost all based on the mostly accurate but not 100% accurate NOAC which like the NES stock hardware isn't capable of RGB, only RF and Composite. The SNES/SFC generates the video signal normally, but if this is a clone based cartridge, the it would be generating the video. So I wanna know if it's just passing through Composite through HDMI or if it really is RGB compatible with the real hardware.

@@SatoshiMatrix1 the clone doesnt output RGB. It only outputs composite that additionally is upscaled into HDMI. The real one though has an option to output RGB, but also outputs the standart composite video. So it would act like a pass through. Super Game Boy also doesnt output RGB as far as Im aware

@@KISSbestfan Right no. I suppose I wasn't clear enough. I know that this Super Famiclone itself doesn't produce RGB - it's either Composite or HDMI. It's the real hardware that supports RGB. Even with the Super GameBoy, the SNES drives the video output, making GameBoy games possible to display in RGB despite the GameBoy hardware itself not supporting that. So my question involving RGB was about the NES cart that comes with this clone specifically. The NES hardware normally can't produce RGB at all, even clones because they're all based on clones of the original hardware that also lacks that. But if the video feed isn't produced internally by the cartridge and again relies on the console, then it might be possible to get RGB from it. It all depends on how this cart works. That is again why I want to see it running on a real Super Famicom and not this clone. It should produce composite no matter what, but RGB is the question.

The FC, NES and GB/CBC adapter are good and i can recommend them but the Genesis/Mega Drive converter/adapter are not because of bad sound

Sega once sold official decals in Japan but sadly no longer.

Mad Little Pixel also reviewed it and he put a link to someone who makes SNES decals.

Now if only they'd sort out the audio.

@@RetroCore For a brief moment, I thought you were going to test your Paprium cartridge with this clone. Just for a brief moment.

For me and I think yourself too, the flat sound is a downer but I'm sure many wouldn't care.

It's just an FC Twin, it even has the duty cycle swap bug.

@@fungo6631 So that's why it's mono, however, the FC Twin doesn't have the HDMI out.

@@souljastation5463 They probably slapped some HDMI encoder on it and called it a day.

@@fungo6631 Still it's the best SFC clone and it has HDMI, but you can also use the analog output if you have a CRT. The only downside is the lack of a NES dedicated port. I personally have 2 PAL SNES and one SFC so I don't need any more of those, but I miss an NES, I bet this machine was also the best NES clone.

@@souljastation5463 The FPGA SFC clones are the best ones.

Some good information there. Thanks for sharing.

I think this clone looks blurry simply due to lower quality video out. I've had a 2 chip SFC and it looks pretty sharp in RGB. The only downside was a noticeable line down the center on the image.

@@RetroCore Not the case with me, it looks noticeably more blurry than my Genesis or PS1 through RGB, or even my consolized Neo Geo MVS through S-Video.

Yeah, it's definitely not as sharp which is a shame.

I don't know about that; everytime I start a retro game on my PS4/5 I think "the picture is too soft, let's go into the menu and disable all the filters". I do that but then I see the pixelated image and I immediately go back to the softer picture. I guess it depends on how big is your screen and how far away are you from it. If you sit close to a relatively big panel the pixelated picture is hideous.

@@souljastation5463 yup that’s the same kind of filter, I really think it’s a poor choice since there are better filters that soften the pixels but in less aggressive way and they still look sharp, like the zfast filter from retroarch.

Shame it won't work on a real SFC / SNES.

I tried the cart on a super NT but nothing happened. It may work on a real SFC / SNES though. Will be checking that this weekend.

I tried it on the Super NT with no luck. I'll be getting the SFC back out this weekend to give it a try.

The MD was in mono but they fixed that issue with a later revision. I'm wondering if they'd do the same with this. The price is a valid point but it depends upon where you live. I got free shipping when I bought mine. It also a lot cheaper than a clean SFC here in Japan. Personally this console isn't for me as I'm very fussy about audio so that mono sound would be an instant deal breaker however I know many people who just wouldn't care.

They are the exact same size but I haven't tried swapping the boards around. About the cartridge. I can confirm that was plugged in all the way. I can also confirm I had tried it on a viriety of consoles after making this video. Sadly, it doesn't seem to produce an image. All we get is sound.

No you can't, its clone system and it's different from original terms of the placement and PCB. In fact this clone has 3 differt board linked with tape cables, chips are mimic the original CPU, PPU's and sound chip but isn't the same size as original.

Turns out there is a NES on a chip on the cart.

It boots on my SFC but I get no image. Only sound.

I never tried that to be honest.

Iys a model from Amazon Japan. Inside I put a Raspberry Pi 4B.

The FC Twin is also a SFC Clone. In fact, I have a hunch this is just an FC Twin with HDMI.

Nah, it's not defective.. The first quality HDMI mega Drive clones were also mono. I bet the next revision will have stereo audio.

Umihara Kawase

That is correct 👍

60 Hz

@@fungo6631 thank you :)

In Japan all game consoles are 60htz.

No, none at all. It seems good.

Ooh, I wonder. Sadly I don't own a snes flash cart anymore to find out.

@@RetroCore You can burn some EPROMs tho

you buy a PCB and put an 5v EPROM, or you take a crappy sports game and swap the Mask ROM for a 5v EPROM (you have to modify a couple of pins though since the Mask ROM has a slightly different pinout than typical EPROMs). Or you use a 3.3v EEPROM (or even flash) chip but you should use a level (voltage) shifting chip that converts between the 3.3v of the chip and the 5v of the console's interface.

Yep, that's how it is done. I should be clear and point out that I did have some help in making the Run Saber cart.

Hmm, I don't remember. About 4,000 yen

I'm afraid the NES / a Famicom is the one machine I really know nothing about.

European cartridges will fit since they're identical to Japanese cartridges in size and shape. The US cartridges will not fit.

@@RetroCore Thank you! 🙂

I don't have experience with a true NES. In the UK the NES was not that popular so I never owned one. A NES game could sound like crap but to me it would sound normal as I have no baseline to judge it 😕

@@RetroCore Ah ok. Thanks for actually replying!

They're okay. Not as good as the originals but they were competent.

It is for a clone.

Yeah, it's good because it have the same clone chips as Retron 2 HD or SupaRetronN HD from Hyperkin ;)

sure, should fit.

Well, me and Dave (Craig Charles) are from the same city 😁

No it would not work, you need the cartridge adapters to play other systems on this console.

@@OneMore1UP So you already tried using the Sega and NEC ROMS already on a SD cartridge or everdrive cart? I mean this clone does not use original Super FamiCom chips right? this needs more research thanks.

@@apollosungod2819 the hardware to play other systems are built in the cartridge/adapters you can buy, not in the console itself so no you cant play Sega and NEC roms from a everdrive.

The Genesis uses a 68000 CPU and the SNES uses a 65c816. They are very different chips. To run Genesis games on a SNES you would essentially need a cartridge that carries its own 68000. Also the Genesis has other differences in chips, like it uses a Yamaha FM synthesizer for audio where the SNES uses a sampler chip called the S-SMP (which was developed by Ken Kutaragi from Sony). Basically you would need to have all the Genesis chips in a cartridge (either originals or more likely integrated clones). On the upside, the Genesis uses mostly off-the-shelf chips, unlike the SNES which was far more custom.

@@OneMore1UP ok Mark needs to do a better analysis of FamiCom and NES roms running on that clone then as I am more interested in playing FamiCom NES despite Mark having a dismissive attitude towards that.

It's also one of my favourites. No. 2 right after the Saturn.

@@RetroCore cool! I have never owned a Saturn.

It's the other way around. Using Reproductions can be damaging to a system. I have never heard of it being the other way around. I have been using this hardware for years now and can highly recommend the Retroad SFC52HD or the Handheld Version the Retroad 5 Plus and it's many adapters over at Ali-Express. They even have a new mini version as well. The handheld comes with two wireless controllers and has different aspect ratios and is region free. It works with Flash cartridges except NES/Famicom. If you do get one I suggest the GB/GBC Extension Converter and an Everdrive GB X7. Great system. It even will play SEGA-CD with an Everdrive and a MD adapter.

@@michaeldemers2716 thank you for the quick reply! 😅

@@davidmuldowney No problem. 🤣🤣🤣

@@davidmuldowney Don't worry. It's a timeless machine. 🙂

No idea. Because it was easy to port to spc?

@@RetroCore There are many better instrument sources. The default Windows soundfont has become meme tier, the Comic Sans of soundfonts. Just look at what Initial D midis are associated with! Though, if the game was meant as more of a meme, the soundfont does, admittedly, make sense.

They're all Roland sounds in the end anyway. It was probably easier to just record from the windows DLS file instead of make custom instrument banks. A lot of SNES games back in the day used Roland samples anyway so it's not like it's out of place

@@tssf Well I don't know any other SNES game with music that sounds like some MIDI file played on stock Windows.

I think that's just how it is.

Yep, fully region free.

Yeah! Make a change from a famiclone 👍

probably

That explains why it didn't work on the Analogue Super NT.

I try'd it in other system and it does only work with the China SNES HDMI Console 🤨

@@WickedGamerCollector the truth could be in the middle, it could be an half half situation. In any case a simple way to verify it would he to find a cartridge Pinout and verify if video and sound (or one of them) is connected or not.

Tried that cart in an Analogue Super NT today. It didn't work.

@@RetroCore as I said earlier it could be a mixed thing or something like a signal that the cart expects to enable the cpu in the noac. In any case this is all speculation and a way to verify it is to find the pinout of the cartridge and check if video and/or sound pins are connected to something or not

It is possible that the cart is using the extra pins for the video and audio out. Isn't that what super FX games do? I'll dig out my SFC over the weekend and give it a try in that. If it doesn't work in the SFC, it's possible the clone SNES does have extra capabilities. If the cart does work in a stock SFC then your idea of it having a NES on a chip on board would be correct. Very interesting if it does.

That's nice.

As I recall, the chip inside this thing are basically what's inside a real SFC, so, a hardware clone.

If it was an emulator, the console would need to dump the cartridge before it could play. This system doesn't do that.

No, what's that?

@@RetroCore It's an alternative to YT, free to say what you like as well. You should check it out. I'd give you a follow over there as well mate.

During the video? Bummer. Can't change that now.