Hey - you didn't mention that GPS was removed from 11 to 12. Might not be important for a lot of people, but it might in part explain the better battery life in certain modes.
Thanks for taking the time to review HERO12 Black, glad you had it when the rain started! Even better to see the fish were biting. Good feedback on the new Bluetooth audio support, we appreciate it!🎧
I am confused as to why the only way to get audio monitoring on screen is when using media mod on the 11. Nothing I have seen tells me I can monitor audio on screen if I use a Bluetooth mic on the 12. The blue tooth mic support is exciting but I can not trust using external mics when I have no way to monitor the audio.
Removing the GPS based on "no one was using it in the app" was an ASININE decision. No one who uses the GPS USES THE APP. We use real software like Telemetry Overlay. You just killed the product for THOUSANDS of us. No buy.
Bluetooth headsets have decent microphones but the Bluetooth standard compresses the audio quality to fit the microphone stream out and the audio stream in. Unfortunate
Basic BT codec (I assume SBC) designed for phone call conversation cannot provide the SQ of a high quality BT codec for music. Ear bud microphones are designed with this in mind and they are small, cheap and designed to capture only mid tone frequencies.
The internal mic on the 11 too is fairly good, esp for GoPro and if you put a foam cover over it - audio used to be a total nightmare with the older ones lol
Taking out the GPS sucks. That is a very helpful feature for general reference of locations for videos and pictures. The people who use overlays and speed tracking on their videos must be REALLY bummed.
That's the sole reason why I recently bought the GoPro 11. Location data for photos, so years later I can see where in Google Photos my picture was taken.
yeah, I pre-ordered my 12 black when there was no mention of GPS and I am returning it now for full refund. If GoPro was really oriented towards its customers it would have made a GPS version and a no GPS version to see who wants which. Taking out GPS in 2023 without offering an alternative such as Quik mobile functionality or bluetooth remote with GPS, is a big drawback.
I have two GoPro 11's I use for motorcycle filming. I am lucky if I can get 5 minutes before overheating and locking up, in moderate temps around 75 or 80 degrees F. Then I have to remove my mics, take it out of the media case, and remove the battery to reset it. Horrible. However, image quality and stabilization is AMAZING, and why I continue to put up with the issues. Love your reviews, BTW.
Recently bought an 11 and 11 Mini. Both overheat after five mins on max setting, in moderate temps (I’m in Scotland). GoPro, looks like you’re reading the comments; please solve the overheating issues in future iterations. No point in a high res sensor and great bit rate if it’s unusable
Strange, the only time GP overheated for me when recording inside a car, on a sunny day. Fixed by turning on AC and under-the-windshield blowers so that there was some airflow around camera.
Theres a lot of great tests to show that Gopros really only have overheating issues in studio scenarios. not sure how youre using it, but with any wind at all they usually dont overheat.
they also overheat when uploading to the GoPro cloud with the battery inside. I take out the battery when uploading to cloud to avoid killing the battery.@@WeekendWarriors87
Name 1 feature that is on the DJI Action 4 that GoPro does not have either an equivalent to or alternative for. I can provide the answer to the magnetic mounting right now as well, the GP12 brings in the 1/4 20 mount that you can use to adapt to ANY mount system, if you like the magnetic mounting then just adapt it to that. Also GPS does not count because it is not a native feature built into the camera, it is with the remote. Inbuilt support for mics also does not count because GoPro now supports bluetooth mics, not the same but it is just a different answer. The new DJI update just added what? Features that GoPro has had for YEARS... sure they are great to finally have on an Action 4 but are not new to action cameras. GoPro over the past 3 years not only made horizon levelling but has nearly perfected it (oh that statement will age well) and supports bluetooth mics and earbuds now. GoPro are innovating just not at the rate people expect, but DJI are not innovating any more (from what we know at least and keeping the topic purely within the Action camera lineup) then GoPro is. Innovation that is not well received or not what the consumer wants is still innovation. Please though I would love to hear your answer.
@@Jomo-x6n GoPro 8:7 sensor. GoPro are fixing low light in different ways upcoming. A bigger sensor just lets more light in but the Action 4 still doesn't look like it knows how to use the brighter shadows. I personally would rathe work with footage that has little to no detail in the shadows then footage with bad detail in the shadows. You can nitpick all day long about the larger sensor and I won't stop you. However, GoPro are placing their focus elsewhere for the time being and so saying that one focus is objectively better I will not accept. I totally get that people might go to the Action 4 for the larger sensor, and if it was the same price as the action 3 I might as well, but its just not worth it when I don't need the larger sensor anyway. You can call out DJI for having a close to one inch sensor and that makes it better, I can call out GoPro for having a 8:7 aspect ratio. Different tools for different uses.
@@Bellaire_Isaac My DJI cameras don't crash as often as my GoPros (excluding the Hero 3 & Hero 4, every GoPro I own has about 30% chance to lock up before the battery runs out)
Yes, please do this! I use GoPros day-in, day-out and there's a lot that could be improved… is a DJI camera a better choice? Specifically in terms of the camera not crashing every 3 hours and needing the battery pulling out.
“Not all about tubular surfing shots and radical bmx videos that get you totally stoked”: that’s pretty much the only I reason why I watch Chris and Jordan! This action camera and Chris with his OM camera and he is set! Liked the 1/4 20, sad you still need either the media mod or adapter for an external mike, don’t think the ear bud sounded good at all…not really concerned about the GPS feature taken away (likely how the battery time improved). Generally modest improvements, not the 1 inch sensor everyone was talking about/expecting, but I think that’s ok. Nice fishing spot btw! Thanks guys!
Thanks for your video, Chris. I believe that the DJI Action 4 is a better choice than the GoPro Hero 12. I know that I've switched to DJI for action cameras now (I'm a UAV operator, so already enjoy the DJI brand). It would have been wonderful for GoPro to introduce a new larger sensor (i.e. 1 inch).
The new log format and open gate recording are interesting but I decided to never buy another GoPro again after continual problems with the 7, 9 and, as a last shot, the 10. Randomly turning itself on, overheating, corrupt files etc etc. These issues are well documented by end users but rarely addressed by reviewers. They're just not reliable and the competition is much better these days.
Early tests of the Hero 12 show overheating and most of the other problems to either be fully or mostly fixed. Hero 11 was fine as well for most of it so long as you knew its limits, peoples expectations are just outside the current limits of the available technology.
@@Bellaire_IsaacThen why do none of these problems exist with the Action 4..or 3 for that matter? They address the issues people hate about go pro. Poor low light, overheating, terrible reliability, subpar battery life GoPro is doing things no one wants or asked for, and not addressing the issues that annoy people.
@@strongereveryday2302 What's the issue for you. One camera line did not run into problems (in final product release) and one camera line did. The first camera line did not have a problem to fix so of course could not fix it, the other line fixed or at least greatly improved upon the problem that only exists in some use cases. I have no clue why the issues existed for GoPro and not DJI. However, from what I have seen online at least, the Action 4 still does not produce 'good' low light footage and in most cases that I have seen online I would rather have to work with the GoPro footage over the DJI footage. (I am using the DC Rainmaker OA4 v GP11 low light test as a reference) GoPro has now addressed the bulk of the overheating problem, reliability issues, and boosted battery life. At this point is comes down more to how you use the camera for if it runs into an issue or not. Do you really need to record 4k 120fps for LONGER then 20 Minutes in one take? Or 5.3k 60fps for Longer then an hour in one take?
@@followtheboat I agree. I know that people have run into problems and I don’t mean to discount or ignore that. All I mean to say is that I struggle to find reason to complain about issues on past models that appear to be fixed. If they develop then they develop, but I find it poor logic to state that they ‘happen’ instead of noting it as a ‘could happen’. Also, any of the tests I have seen only show that it has limitations not problems. As I have no intention to push the limits then I don’t see that as a problem for me. I know I might very well end up biting my words here but I just see so many people pointing out issues with the 7/8/9/10 and automatically passing them onto the 12. To me if the problem does exist in the past but (at least to my current knowledge) is fixed then I see that more as a thing to keep in mind then a problem. I know that a lot of people have greif with GoPro but I don’t and from what my research indicates I dont have reason to make the greif my own, at the very least not yet.
"The GoPro Hero11 Black was the biggest upgrade we've seen in the GoPro line in years" I guess that's technically true if you define "years" as "exactly 2 years", but mostly it's just sad.
Glad to see you guys again - I was wondering what happened after DP Reviews. Thanks for an informative & helpful video. After months of people trashing GoPro online before and after the release, (when then didn’t even have info) it was feeling like U.S politics all over again. Thanks for staying factual, sane, and grounded - it is what I have ways appreciated about your work. All the best, Bob
So here is why you might NEVER buy one of these: Last spring I had the Hero 11 OVERHEAT. It was 82 degrees (28c) and full sun in April in Las Vegas. The camera overheated, was unable to be used. That is NOT a camera that you should buy. Unless you are in Southern Alberta. I grew up there. It is under 25c like 95% of the year there.
Also this is the Hero 12 we are talking about. Not the Hero 11, and already there is a proven difference when it comes to overheating, if the ideal situations GoPro states for the camera don't apply then you still get 20+ minutes of 5.3k 60fps footage. A- do you really need static 5.3 footage for longer than 20 min per take, and do you really need 60 fps for all of those 20 min? B- if your answer to question a is yes then sorry but the GoPro is your only option for a 5.3k action camera.
Nice to see you fishing Chris! I skipped the 11 but I'm seriously thinking of the 12. The Log, mount, open gate, horizon level in all modes and extra battery life are all things I have really wanted.
I’ve had a GoPro Hero 3 black for about 10 years, and this is the first time since then I’ve been really inclined/compelled to upgrade. It’s always felt like slightly gimmicky upgrades that never really cut it for me. Now having 10 bit 4K+ resolution with a true log profile and timecode, it’s something that can truly fit into a professional pipeline and still have the convenience of a consumer product
Was wondering where you guys went! Glad to have found this new channel. Still in Alberta? Lucky! Alberta and B.C., only about a thousand times better than Wrongtario. Just made that up- I should patent the name!
Funny thing is, on current Sony Xperia phones when you use the VideoPro or CinemaPro apps you can monitor sound levels and adjust (in app) with Bluetooth headphones. There's a bit of delay but you can hear what you're recording which is helpful. Odd they haven't implemented in their cameras
I think it's clear at GoPro's office that this thing can't get evolved anymore. Definitely not within this camera form factor. This is by far their poorest upgrade between models, in fact you wonder whether this thing has been upgraded at all. 😏
I haven't grabbed a GoPro since the 5 way back. I may get this one, if I can't find a 3 for a great deal. I do like the mount on the new one. Just seems more convenient for sure.
The one thing I wished is for him to tie the g pro and through it in the water and show how well it can show what's happening underwater from his smartphone. ............
@GoPro This is a big disappointment. I use my old GoPro for footage of motorcycle rides and Jeep rides deep in the woods, and the GPS log is important for that. So this is a big downgrade in my opinion. I was really hoping the 12 would be a much bigger upgrade from the 11, with a 1 inch sensor, 4K/120p or better.
Doesn't seem much have changed since 10 version and that was such a problem for me. Overheating, battery swelling, kept hanging, wonky touchscreen, wonky battery door, proprietary format (for example highlights cant be imported in Pr), weird menus, can't rename settings and so on. Also it is way bigger now since the earlier versions. Primary bought it for slowmo but the slowmo is bad quality. Built in pins are a good thing tho, but they are not very stable. The stabilization is very good but has quirks, can't pan very good for example it gets confused.
Just pre-ordered the 12 with Max Lens Mod 2.0. Should ship out in a few days. My current driver is a Hero 9 which I have a love\hate relationship with. 😂
I am returning my 12. no GPS. 11 is better. Max Lens Mod 2.0 at Hyperview distorts too much. the only good part is 4k60fps with horizon lock but you get that even without those lens on. plus the MAx Lens has only 1 profile. don't know why. the 2.0 lens should be made to work also with hero 11 black since it has the same sensor, but due to marketing it won't happen.
you said there is the possibility to make 360 degree video pairing 2 gopros together. how would you do that? and how would the videos be stiched to make 360 degree video? the maximul FOV for h12b is 177 degrees with max lens mod 2.0, but with massive distortion...
Aloha~ yes i am re-learining setup list since it is new upgrade settings comapre to my gp9 and gp10blk..so far no problems...my biggest worry is the battery overheating...does anyone know if recording on normal sunny day on 4k60 how long does avg enduro bettery last? Mahalo!
Another overheating expensive camera - as always: lots of promices, - never the truth. Every time your cam is overheat - That means - you AIN'T GOT SHiiEEiiiT! ...
The GoPro is definitely useful for a lot more than just action, but for general family fun, fishing, etc, the Olympus Tough TG6 or the new TG7 is a better choice because of zoom lens, faster aperture, amazing macro abilities, built-in flash, etc I love my GoPro, but I don't try to make it do everything.
@@ec-uploads Lots of people use it, specifically for relocation of specific spots, when doing outdoor work. It's very useful especially if you are trying to historically track certain locations. So take your sarcasm and snark elsewhere and grow up.
I'll try and break it down into large pieces so you can understand what I said, which was in support of your statement. GoPro said "no one uses GPS based on app usage data". My comment was, this was stupid as most people, like me, who use the GPS DO NOT use the app. Jesus.....@@strongereveryday2302
The best reason I can think of to explain their reluctance to integrate a ¼ inch x 20 before, I theorise, is that when introduced, the unit and its unique mount were both produced almost exclusively by GoPro. At that time, supplemental mounts and add-ons were a lucrative part of the company's structure. But the very fact that it became a "de-fact" standard meant that an increasing number of 3rd party vendors were disrupting that particular revenue stream. If I recall rightly, their sales have been lagging relative to previous glory days, so cost cutting on a diminishing portion of an overall diminishing T.A.M. makes sense. Keeping the "wings" is obligatory so legacy users don't feel abandoned, but the indicator to watch for will be a decline in accessory production and sales, if such data is available.
I'm still happy with my GoPro Hero 9. Not much of an upgrade here other than the nice 10-bit Log. Given I don't use GoPro cameras much, I'll keep passing unless I get into filming extreme sports.
I ask all of you why do you promote gopro ? Don't buy a gopro, it's fragile. They promote their products like it's durable but my gopro 11 didn't survive a mild accident and you can't repair your gopro if there's a small problem. Buying a gopro is wasting your money &energy.
Why stand there with waders and a fly rod when you don't show a single fly cast. Have bought the camera and will make beautiful videos on how to perform a fly cast.
Same sensor AND same processor. GPS removed (or maybe just disabled) to ever so slightly improve battery life. Overheating still an issue. Firmware updated to give the illusion that it isn't a GoPro11. I can speak freely because I did not get a FREE GoPro 12.
I see this camera has a L+ mode, L being Linear, but not seen L+ mode showcased, but haven't seen any of the modes compared. Have them modes and lenses changed?
"Is it STILL the best action camera", No. No it hasn't been for a long time. Not after DJI came with Osmo Action. There are very niche situations where one would want to buy GoPro instead of DJI.
As a mountain biker having little to no distortion is important for me, so I want to see some tests of that. So far I've not seen anyone show and compare it.
I just came from the 7 and 8. I can't wait to see how if there is going to be any difference in the video quality. They all ways seem like its 720p at best when im out filming.
3:00 who made this camera and what did they do to the real GoPro company? (and yes while I haven't been asking for that I've been wishing for it for years
Probably the Ilyushin IL2. Excellent low flight characteristics. Tons of armoured protection against walk and wade fisherman firing anti aircraft guns at you, to keep you away from their favorite spots. And you got bombs for when the fishing gets really slow and you just want to take home some fish.
If it’s about video, it should be Jordan presenting. I don’t like him being demoted to videographer only. He’s the expert, he should present. Not Chris all the time...
6:03 of course you cannot monitor audio from the microphone through the same pair of BT headphones. The latency will be so delayed that the slow echo of you own voice will drive you nuts defeating the purpose of monitoring.
Whilst not a bad update, I tend to feel that GoPro have contracted the same disease as Apple with their iPhones, although GoPro seem to have it far lighter. Yearly model updates containing a lot of gimmicks, but not much else. Yet, the usual claims of 'the best ever' said in a flowery, exaggerated long-winded presentations (Apple I mean), which if you think about it, should be the case if they strive to continuously improve their products and therefore a given and need not be said at all. At least GoPro largely limit their releases to a video on social media.
Does the HDR for video work well with the GoPro 12? I’m enjoying the DJI 4 I recently picked up, but but it often blows out highlights in high contrast light.
