Solaire of Astora I would argue that what was being spoken about was a pre-written design.. like, ‘do what you’re made for’ not the product of what WE design. The undead was to be used as a phalactory for the fire, that’s the purpose, that’s the design and because Gwendolyn is a royal, the intention is to link, not stamp the fire out. Gough says ‘make your choice’ meaning either one.
That's not how you actually pronounce it. It's an Irish male name, the female equivalent of Ciarán is Ciara. Ciarán is pronounced "keer-awn", Ciara is pronounced "keer-ah".
True that. People are too quick to jump to conclusions concerning canon lore when it comes to shipping; I get that a character showing romantic interest in another has its novelties, but the love interest's boundaries should be taken into consideration too. Unless the story implies (or the author states) the feelings are reciprocated, then it's not safe to assume things canonically, if only out of respect for the character who can't voice their side of the story and, foremost, the author's work. In DS's case, well, there is evidence that it was unrequited, so, people can't stomp their foot and make convicted claims. Oh, and just in case your brother comes to you and say "but it's cut out, it's not part of the game!", remind him Miyazaki and the lead crew had to leave many things outcuz they didn't have enough time to implement certain elements in a presentable way that would make sense. And by that logic not even Artorias' cut dialogue could be taken into consideration to shape his personality. :B
Eh, my guess was more that she never told him. She doesn't seem very inclined to talk about herself or what she feels about things, and Artorias doesn't exactly seem to be very...perceptive about shit, if you get my drift (he seems to just power through everything rather than stop and think, if his whole 'keep trying to abysswalk' lore was any indicator). Fromsoft isn't big on romance plots, from what I've seen, but they are big on flawed characters, and having Ciaran never say anything to Artorias about how she feels until it's too late feels like something they would do
I mean From actually made a decent number of romances, whether one sided or not. Definitely one sided are in fact pretty rare now that I think about it, kinda one sided you could argue vendrick with nashandra I suppose, and fina with lautrec, though at the very least she technically reciprocated, on the other hand you have Garl and astrea, pretty much an item as far as we know, the Ivory king and his wife, the prince and princess that built the bellfries, radagon and rennala, and DS3 has a ton of at the very least ambiguous relationships, like vordt and dancer, morne and his goddess (yes I know it doesn’t say he loved her let alone she loved him, but given their origin ; carim ; it’s quite obvious they are a tribute to lautrec and fina and therefore it’s quite easy to infer what their relationship is meant to be), yuria’s talk of finding you a spouse, leonard and rosaria, and I for some reason can’t seem to recall my other examples so I’ll temporarily take back the “tons”, let’s say several. I agree that ciaran is never said to have been with Artorias, and an unfulfilled love definitely fits better the tropes of the series, and the fact that she herself doesn’t in any way refer to him as her lover, which is pretty odd if they were, but I don’t think “from aren’t big on couples” is quite true.
Gough: Be Wary Of Ciaran Someone: *casually kicking her till she falls upstairs* Alternative version Gough: Be Wary Of Ciaran Someone: *Proceeds To Backstab And Parry Her*
You would think with Hawkeye Gough helping us ground Kalameet, and giving us his Greatbow. The least we could do, is help him clean that resin off of his face?!
"Then thou must be wary of Ciaran" Yeah i kill her too, b1tch tried to take my Artorias souls from me. which i going to use to crown myself a nice brand new sword.
@@timotheebrasseur2539 Isn’t that corpse male though? I know she is definitely female because if you use randomizer mods, NPC’s can have randomized armor instead of their usual attire (Ciaran included). This allows you to see their face and confirm their gender (gender confirmation is based off of gender exclusive hairstyles and gender exclusive variations of the same individual pieces of armor). So some guy could have killed her and pillaged her ring. He eventually dies and his corpse happens to be by the Grave of Artorias when we get there. The thing is, that guys corpse isn’t a skeleton yet, meaning the process of decomposition hasn’t completed. If we keep in mind that the events of the DLC take place nearly 1,000 years prior, that would mean the Hornet Ring has likely been pillaged and passed down 100’s of times! Who knows how many warriors have used it? Now here’s the interesting part. Ciaran doesn’t drop her ring if you kill her. This means it’s either still on her corpse and someone came by and pillaged it after we killed her, or she doesn’t have it with her during the events of the DLC (I don’t remember whether the unique Hornet Ring critical attack animation occurs or doesn’t occur if she backstabs you with the Dark Silver Tracer).
@@illestdakillest5420 You went on that massive rant - only, for me to pop up now to confidently inform you that, no, that body behind Artorias's grave in Sif's boss room is not a male corpse, but a female corpse. You can tell by the simple fact that the body wears a bra. On a different note, that mod would be mostly irrelevant. For one, Ciaran just uses a default "commoner" face, since she was never supposed to really have one. Somewhat sad, really, since every other player model character had a unique face. Further, her voice actor is a woman, and her lore uses female pronouns. Finally, if you recall watching this video - the very same one that this comment section belongs to - Gough also refers to Ciaran as female, at around 0:35.
@@khajiitimanus7432 Believe it or not, I was actually inspired by that rant of mine, to continue investigating the identity of Ciaran’s gender, and what came about of the Hornet Ring. I too learned (albeit recently) that Ciaran has the default female face, and is also completely bald. Additionally, once I turned up my brightness, I noticed the bra on the rotting corpse behind the Grave of Artorias. This information doesn’t change very much of what I originally wrote though. Mostly that the use of the Randomizer Mod is unnecessary in determining Ciaran’s gender. From what I originally wrote, there are *still* 3 definitive facts that remain true. Here is 1 of the 3 facts that remain true: Ciaran *still* doesn’t drop her ring, if the Chosen Undead murders her in Oolacile. Because of this, there are roughly 3 remaining explanations that determine what happened to the Hornet Ring: First, if Ciaran *is not* murdered by the Chosen Undead (abbreviated as CU) in Oolacile. Therefore, Ciaran died by some other means after the CU leaves Oolacile. This doesn’t necessarily mean Ciaran was eventually murdered by someone else (although this is a possibility). This is simply saying that Ciaran was *not* murdered by the CU, and therefore had to have died after the CU leaves Oolacile. In this scenario, Ciaran could have very well died from natural causes. But regardless of how Ciaran dies in this scenario, she *has her Ring with her,* and upon dying, her Ring *remains* with her corpse. Eventually, someone else came along after her death, and they pillaged her Ring from her corpse (assuming Ciaran wasn’t murdered, then immediately pillaged by the unknown individual(s) right where she was murdered). Second, if Ciaran *is* murdered by the CU in Oolacile. In this scenario, for an unknown reason, the CU *leaves her Ring on her corpse* after murdering her. Eventually, someone else came along after the CU murdered Ciaran, and her Ring was pillaged from her corpse then. Keep in mind, it is possible that Ciaran was simply *not wearing* the Hornet Ring when the CU murdered her, but she still had it with her when this happened. Third, if Ciaran *is* murdered by the CU in Oolacile. In this scenario, for an unknown reason, Ciaran *does not have her Ring with her* when the CU murders her. Therefore, it’s assumed that her Ring was eventually found by someone else (who *is not* the CU), wherever Ciaran left it (or with whoever she left her Ring with, like maybe with another assassin she befriended). Now here is another 1 of the 3 facts that remain true: the current corpse behind the Grave of Artorias *still* isn’t a skeleton yet, meaning the process of decomposition hasn’t finished yet. If you keep this fact in mind, then the *following information* is why this particular fact is so significant. Here is the last 1 of the 3 facts that remain true: the events of the Chosen Undead in Oolacile *still* take place *nearly 1,000 years prior* to the Chosen Undead’s escape from the Undead Asylum/arrival in Lordran. If 1,000 years have truly passed, then the significance of this, is that the current corpse behind the Grave of Artorias is *not decomposed enough* to be the real corpse of Ciaran. The real corpse of Ciaran would no longer contain flesh after nearly 1,000 years of decomposing (assuming that Ciaran died around the time the Chosen Undead was in Oolacile). Therefore, the gender of this current corpse is *irrelevant information,* and it just so happens to be a female corpse when the Chosen Undead finds the Grave of Artorias in Lordran. And this is why I previously said *"that would mean the Hornet Ring has likely been pillaged and passed down 100’s of times! Who knows how many warriors have used it?"* and it just so happens that the very last warrior (preceding the Chosen Undead) to have the Hornet Ring was female, and not male after all.
I suppose it was because Ciaran was such an obscure character with minimal content. Her only noticeable fame was relation to Gwyn, as one of the Lord's Blades and one of the Four Knights. Beyond that, she escapes any further notice - being mentioned only by Gough, her weapons and armor, and the Hornet Ring. After that, she's never mentioned again - certainly not in DS2, and only in DS3 by proxy of the Hornet Ring. :p
Most likely, you remember the current lines, which are mostly the same - only a few alterations and extra inclusions, if I recall correctly. I believe Gough still references Ciaran in the game, for example - only, he says something else instead. He also says something about being retired - "what good is a dog with no hares to hunt?" - but I don't believe he actually states that he is blind in the final dialogue.
