Graves Betrays Shepherd During Congress Interrogation Scene - Call Of Duty Modern Warfare 3 2023 

Also love when he said "They are in the Shadow! Company, move together"

There will be Price. To pay.

I couldn't believe they told Makarov to pay the Price for dropping the soap

my jaw dropped when soap died like that

"Don't you understand this is our Call of Duty: Modern Warfare III?"

But uses it against us in the final MW2 mission one question HOW THE FUCK IS HE ALIVE WE C4ED THE TANK LIKE 6 TIMES

Depending on the tank it might be the T-14 which has an uncrewed turret and everyone is in a metal box in the front which could have lead to him surviving and using an emergency escape hatch underneath the tank to get out. The front crew comparment wasnt on fire and the hatchs didn't pop so he might have lived. Or he might have stolen soap's plot armor and survived that way.

@@joemancool first one makes sense 2nd one no fucking clue why he would have plot armour

@@Luffy65401he said himself he wasn’t in the tank, Season 5 mw2

I liked Alejandro better tbh

I was laughing at that 😂😂😂

It’s like changing meanings of the same word. Very similar to WWII where Pierson tells Zussman “You’ve got guts Private, I just don’t want to see em”

Colonel Alejandro Vargas, Captain John Price Sgt. Johnny Soap MacTavish would be angry.

Idk why I laughed at that 😅😅

@@jacobjarrett9406 this is gonna sound ridiculous but they're at the stage where the fucker who just took charge like that then hunted him down etc... ALL OF THAT TO BE SAID IN "Hey now, that's not nice." EDIT: HEY MA! I'M FAMOUS! MA!!

​@@Raether608Graves strikes me as the "I'm not racist, but...." type

@@jamariobrown-tolliver8163 Lmfao I can see why

Ghost: Sure it is consider it an early Christmas Gift from TF141

He’s also one of the interrogators from bf3

Idk it felt kinda jarring for me. I heard him and I was like, “wait… overlord? Did you steal Shepards job?”

He’s also the multiplayer fbi announcer in black ops 2

​@@mikelifts8251I knew he looked familiar!

@@ProjectTaker and a General in Michael Bays transformers movies haha

Graves is his shadows. His team fired first then 141 retaliated

Also Graves wasn't even trying to get in a fight as well. He knew they would be agitated but he was trying to follow Shepard's orders without having to resort to shooting to get it done.

It wasn't a nervous trigger mate

​@@DioneC141in the so called "betrayal" in mw2, graves was attacked by (i forgor his name) a member of the mexican special forces Who was working together with tf141. When graves pulls his rifle up, you Can see him hesitate and not fire, but one of his men opens fire on soap.

​​@@deadchannel1905 Alejandro

Soap still had an impact in the end. Shepherd, not really though he did get what he deserved.

WAIT WHAT!?!?!

They’re more realistic tho so it’s better, no throwing knife bullshit

I prefer it more, in real war there’s no time for emotion you deal with that later what mattered was stopping the bomb for detonating

@@Colomenodd Realistic doesn´t equal better my friend

They both have plausible deniability the only ones who can actually clear up the truth would be Ghost, Soap or Alejandro but now Soap’s dead, Alejandro is somewhere chasing Valeria and Ghost just isn’t the type to appear in front of a public Congress

Graves had illegally imprisoned Los Vaqueros, had taken their assets, and was going to arrest Vargas. Also they were in Mexico, which is why Vargas was in charge not Graves nor Shepherd. He wasn't in any way shape or form defending himself.

I mean If graves did admit tothat I feel like it would be hard to hide the crimes graves committed in Mexico by one imprisonment of Mexican special forces and the taking of their base and the mass killing of civilians and police officers in Mexico

Ok I would agree, but in that mission when Soap unlocks the last door on his way to the church and runs into that one shadow operator that Ghost snipes, right before Ghost shoots him you here Graves over the radio saying "kill him"

@@mattelrod9131 Well that’s already after he was deemed a threat so he had the right to order the kill.

I agree. He wont kill task force 141 so ya he gave them a chance to survive

Check again you two, one of Grave’s men fired first without sufficient provocation from Soap and Ghost.

He meant that graves didnt open fire on them back then@@cpaul562

​@@cpaul562Did he fire cause Alejandro started wailing on a dude restraining him?

yup @@alfayedmalik4273

He's such a charming bastard.

@@randomcenturion7264 He sure is!☺️😅 I’ll pick him over Valeria, anyday!

He’s just like Rafe, a chaotic but funny villain. And they both have the same VA. Warren Cole

isnt he more like anti hero chara?@@darkarrow3683

'Cause he's cute

I guess Shledgehammer did not fix the spawns after BETA fiasco after all...

Nah, he pulled a sam fisher

He had tactical insertion

Shepherd might as well have just spawned on shipment. Would've been the same end result

​@@k3mx_it was for his daily challenge 😂😂😂

Yup, I even liked Modern Warfare 2019 for trying to ground the story in some form of reality (despite it also has dumb moments) it also an incredible soundtrack. MW2 just started going back to being dumb again which was disappointing. I mean as a British man, hearing all the British characters talk like they eat gravel for breakfast makes me wince. But graves definitely stuck out as a more interesting character. I’d love it if it went for a ‘Sicario’ level of tone story wise. It certainly seemed it was trying to do that in the first game but now it’s almost become like a marvel movie.

Graves feels generic? What?

@@wanyekest6969 sorry I typed it wrong should be fixed now. I meant to say that he does feel like a real person and not hollow NPC.

@@wanyekest6969 I think he meant ‘typical’ or ‘standard’. I know what he’s trying to say, he comes across as a typical, hard headed American patriot kinda guy when you first see him in mw2 in the ac-130. I fucking love the casting they got for him too. Only issue is he seems under written now. He needs a motive to be evil and from what I can tell they haven’t done that after MW3. I get the feeling the fanbase liked him more than they thought and so they brought him back and made him good? Or he’s gonna be the friend in shadow company that makarov is working with? Not sure. If you make a character a loyal dog to an evil character, what you typically want to do is have them prove to be untrustworthy because their ONLY loyal to one person over all else (I.e. we’re only friends if I’m told we are friends, like in MW2) and you defeat them which is kind of a typical conclusion. Or, they are betrayed by the person they are loyal too and they turn on them. Either way is satisfying. But the way they write any character just feels so superficial in this series. It’s so aggravating

​@@TheArsenalgunner28its funny that people forgets that Graves send to kill Mexican Civilians in the mw2

why? what's the reason?

​@@imadeekosatriawiguna6252nick said it himself, he doesnt have the clearance

Well, Nikolai is Russian. So it's quite give him the clear reason.

Yeah. He doesnt have the clearance and because hes Russian who worked with makarov at one point, he wouldnt be trusted and could cause issues being around since hes not 141.

They look soooo much alike, they resemble each other a ton its crazy!

Park,Kyle Gaz,Price and Ghost?

@@ChandranPrema123 park is far from interesting

@@ChandranPrema123 Not a single one of them.

@@ChandranPrema123 Lazar I say. He’s cool

More like lame

Homie forgot to use codenames when his missiles got jacked. Makarov stole missiles from him TWICE. How does Activision go from creating a dude trying to start world war 3 to kill Makarov and avenge 50,000 U.S. soldiers in the original to the basic "patriot" old general trying to clean up a mess of his own making and going for the easy win?

Yeah btw he voiced overlord in mw2

reflection of modern generals

He was calm in the og

When was this?

​@@goldenTym MW3

@@goldenTymhappened in mw3 2011

@@sedahtionxmwIII, the mw3 from 2023. soap is killed infront of price cause makarov comes out of nowhere and headshots soap

Is graves neutral or neutral evil

@@spanbab He's more of a neutral. Shepherd technically didn't explicitly give him orders to attack 141, but the authorization to use lethal force against 141 was implied if they retaliated. Graves technically didn't use it at first. He warned them not to get involved to try and stop their operation, but his hands were forced when they defied the orders and Alejandro tried to assault him. The back and forth happened and it spiraled from there. Graves simply followed orders, and if some of 141 was taken out in the process that would work out for Shepherd as it would be loose ends cleaned up. I think 141 knew this which is why when Farah laid out the pictures it was only Shepherd and Makarov since at the end of the day those two were trying to kill off 141. They always referenced Graves as a dog on a leash, in other words he was always, as he stated, just doing his job. The leash broke when Shepherd tried to wiggle his way out trouble in the Congressional interview.

@@DJ2226the situation might not have spiralled out of control if one of his men wasn’t so trigger happy and if he handled it more delicately. And Graves directly provoked Alejandro by talking over his base, imprisoning his men and insinuating that he was apart of the Cartel, he did not do much to deescalate the situation other than claim (he did not provide any actual evidence of that he received any such orders at the time either) that Shepherd had ordered it.

​@@spanbabjust neutral like Apex neutral

⁠@@DJ2226I mean he tried to take their base and he literally detained Alejandro people then after that opened fire on them

Price killed shepherd dude 😂

the bald guy ended up like prigozhin instead

man i need a tldr for this reference.

@@fearpacex6000Graves = Prigozhin

Speaking of which the cutscene with Shepherd interogating Makarov, made him resemble Prigozhin.

He was looking out for Shadow Company. With Shepherd no longer a reliable source of income, he’s cutting his losses and leaving the general out to dry. Chances are he’ll continue to fight Makarov, but Shadow and 141 will remain at best neutral against Konni.

@@chatterycasque9594exactly. It seems more like an “enemy of my enemy is my friend” type of situation with Shadow Company and 141. The moment Makarov and Konni group is out of the picture, things are gonna get hostile again.

@@jsmaster4779 Unless they actually make amends. But, that's for COD to decide I guess.

He has kinda won back my respect after betraying Shepherd in the Congress hearing scene. He really didn't wanna do what he did in Mexico.

Mercs work for money

Correction, “Ghost, that is not nice😐”

@@thetoastinator8139 Sorry sorry your right lmfao I just got soap on my mind Ima miss ma boy😔😢

“correction”🤓

still, they did start massacring the town when they took control, so its not complete innocence on graves part

​@@mattwing05Corrupted officials in town and also people resisting against being detained forcibly.

She's definitely lying about the lie she gave to Capitan John Pork Price about lying!

No just no

​@@jamariobrown-tolliver8163well... like karate kid song says: Never say Never

Gary "Roach" Graveson

well, since Soap died, it means there is in 141 free space for a new team member. It actually looks like soap. A young, strong and dedicated fighter who wants to prove himself just like himself. Soap himself wrote about it in his diary.

It would be a 'Real life' plot twist.

I finished it in less than 4 hours.

He returned fire, he initially gave them the chance to leave and they pressed on

@@BigMam-zv6ld true, but he still captured the vaqueros for no reason and took their base

​@@adrienm8989They needed the base to stage future operations

​@@adrienm8989They needed the base to stage future operations

​@@Catck_meowstonThat's not in any way shape of form a valid reason to seize assets from the Mexican Special Forces. He had no authority be in Mexico without being under the umbrella of TF141. TF141 was only allowed in Mexico because of Laswell's ties to Vargas and he approved them operating in Mexico under his authority.

I assume it was an attempt by the writers to make graves 'evil' to make it justified for 141 to hunt him down and kill him and people are possibly ignoring that entire mission and its lore in general (other than the intro part where he betrays 141)

@@khaosproductio That makes sense, buts its like even the *writers* forgot that they made him do that. MWIII just doesn't seem to be it, 4 hour campaign with (to me) a more watered down version of the most impactful scene in COD.

From what I remember the entire village in mexico were all cartel loyal. Edit: if you go back and play the mission and listen carefully to their dialog the villagers even threatened to call up the Las Almas cartel and make sure shadow company pays.

@@16soccerball In the wrong way, yes. You don't say no to a fucking Mexican cartel. Ever.

​@@khaosproductioshacks, its the ACMF

Was wondering why the face looked familiar

We’re definitely getting a fourth game maybe even a fifth

Man I want a remake of the us invasion for cod I thought we would have that in this cod fuck guess they wanna milk the sh*t out of this storyline.. yay..

Ghost will die in MW4 😈

@@TheTrav3ler lets hope so though I wonder how they'll going to sell the Russian army being a believable threat of invading the US this time around

I just dont like how Graves showed just like that in early act. Like nothing happened to him in the previous game

Just a theory ofc.

Isnt that from when sheperd is captured by them? Sry if im wrong havent finished watching the whole mw3 story yet

That... doesn't really make sense when all of post-MWII DMZ story Graves & Shadow Company was pursuing and fighting Konni non-stop.

There was a mole in Shadow Company but the story never explained if they dealt with the mole.

@@HzG_R Are you referring to the cutscene with Makarov and Nolan talking about their "friend from Shadow"? In that case, they're talking about the captured Shadow guy they had just stopped torturing in the same cutscene, who probably revealed where General Shepperd is (who you proceed to find and unintentionally rescue in the next mission after capturing Nolan after this same cutscene). Nolan even asks what to do if the info he provided doesn't come through and Makarov says "Just fucking kill him".

I knew it was bad, but I didn't realize it was this bad until I saw it myself. "Look how they massacred my boy!"

Tbf, he's exactly like what a typical general would be irl. The general from the old mw2 was as unrealistic as it gets. No general is going to be on the front lines clearing houses or engaging in door to door combat. They're exactly like what we see in this mw series; an old guy who sits behind a desk passive-agressively giving orders and who may or may not still be somewhat competent in a combat scenario.

Graves is the one who shot Soap, mate. He's the one who got Soap on the ground after Soap killed the Shadow right next to Graves. He can argue self-defense, but he definitely shot to kill. And the fact that he kills the player if he spots them during the escape makes it clear he was gunning to take them out.

@@vicwaters87 If Graves had been shooting to kill, he would have just shot Soap in the head then and there, and called it a day. Soap wasn't exactly a hard target to hit at the time. And also killing the player during the escape kinda checks out...I mean, what do you expect? Soap's already killed multiple of Graves' men by that point. Of course nonlethal isn't gonna work any longer.

Not as much as Shepard did

Her*

@@prankstereddyI thought Laswell was a man?

@@CowboysCreed 😂 3 games and 4 years after her introduction and you though Laswell was a man this entire time?

@@CowboysCreed Ever heard of a man named Kate? haha

But why Graves and his shadow company occupy Los Vaqueros main base without Alejandro knowing? Far as i remembered, Alejandro only share a base only for capturing Hassan's mission, not giving to them. They even captured every last member of Los Vaqueros, including Alejandro himself.

@@nokia.s3350 Graves used it for two reasons, to detain Alejandro and his men & using it as an COC. His orders were specifically to aid 141 and Vaqueros in stopping the missiles and capturing Hassan. And they were almost certain to uncover the truth of the missiles, so Graves couldn’t allow that hence him betraying Alejandro.

Who ordered the attack on the courier graves?

Just like how in Bo3 Zombies. The Revalation Intro shows Dr. Maxis. And hes just a reused model from Campaign. Totally Believe you there mate.

@@TheBuster0926 Which model? Player?

It wasn't random though since they were done before, would be if it were fresh characters and those who did not die in the old timeline

F

Foap 🧼😔

Probably hunting down 141 after they killed Shepherd like everyone else

Nah mw19 is an exception