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Kronos is not the titan of time, he is the titan of harvest, and the words Kronos and Chronos come from different roots. relating Kronos to time is a later miscommunication that confuses him with Chronos, the actual god of time. the titan of the harvest is written as Κρόνος whereas the god of time is Χρόνος, different names.

Funny thing. Depending on how you look at Dionysus, he might qualify as Metis' second child, her prophecied cunning son who will overthrow Zeus. See, he's technically Zeus' son with a mortal in most versions but if Zeus is partly Metis and he also sews Dionysus into his 'leg' to grow and later give (re-)birth to, then he counts as Metis' kid on both counts and his odd birth mythologically ties him to Athena, his sister, in a way it doesn't with any of his other siblings.

You're not the only one thinking Gaea is a master manipulator, that's pretty much the exact thing Rick Riordan got from her in the whole Percy Jackson book series.

As far as the Story (often done as a Ballad) of Tam Lin is concerned, there was no retribution as the moment Jenny grabbed and hid Tam Lin from the Queen of the Fae, it became an impromptu contest with Tam Lin as the prize. In contests, should the mortal win in the eyes of the Fae (in this case, Jenny proved her devotion by never letting go, no matter what the Queen changed him into), they viewed it as a fair win and generally let the mortal have their prize unmarred, thus why Tam Lin was let go untouched. Had Jenny failed, odds would have been that Tam Lin would have been tithed and Jenny likely would have been punished in some way (or Jenny becomes that time's tithe and Tam Lin kept and punished), but that is just supposition based on how those contests tended to be.

10:15 yeah, it was quite recently. Fun fact, the kitsune in that rock is Tamano no Mae. Yes, the same one that's in FGO

10:55 That woman in the lower left corner is Shelob. (Spider from Lord of the Rings) 19:58 That was the thing with Eros. That, on the one hand, he is considered the son of Aphrodite, and on the other, one of the oldest beings in the universe.

OoO, Scary Godmother is what you were looking for.

It is true that Yokai is often translated to demon, but yokai are usually a lot closer to fey than demons if they are going to be compared to beings from western myth and legend

“Rock chucking” sure is a way to describe throwing whole mountains

Tam Lin isn't just a folktale; it's a ballad. I recommend the version performed by medieval folk band Tricky Pixie, whose arrangement is particularly sexy and spooky.

You should really do rections to their videos explaining the evolution of the greek gods! The one about persephone and Hades is sooo good

So, in a bit of a twist... the name Tam Lin actually did recently find use in FGO... although only in the english version, in a somewhat... controversial move. Basically, LB6 featured "Fairy Knights" who for the most part impersonate the Knights of the Round Table. The term "Fairy Knight" got localized into "Tam Lin", seemingly for the same reason "Hougu", "Treasured Tools", is translated into "Noble Phantasm", because Nasu likes playing around with or add layers to the meaning of concepts during translation... regardless of how much sense it actually makes. And with how Nasu already lost a bit of goodwill in that regard with "Altria", and how the only thing these characters actually have in common with the mythological Tam Lin is that they're fae knights... yeah, it got people miffed. As for the Theogony... yeah, FGO kinda plays fast and loose with that, although of course Hesoids Theogony is also contradicted by other sources, like contemporary Homers version of the Illiad, so they have the freedom to, Greek myth is a mess where you can't really get one clear canon with no contradictions without some headcanoning or straight up rewriting. Anyways, FGO... kinda goes into the Theogony in LB5, but... due to the circumstances of the Greek gods in Fate, with some noteable differences. There's also some aspects where they seem to deviate from the family tree presented by the Theogony... with mixed results. Like, iirc, the Theogony ascribes many of myths monsters to be children of Typhon and Echidna. And while Fate still ascribes them to Echidna... they seem to go with a myth where Echidna is the daughter of Chrysaor, Gorgon Medusas child instead of the titans, thus kinda putting most of these monsters way more recently into the timeline. Interestingly enough, Typhon also made an appearence in FGO JP recently... although nothing regarding Echidna or his offspring afaik. As for Hippolytus... well, first up, Poseidon really was a lot worse in regards to... forcing himself on women, compared to Zeus, leaving aside how Zeus often did so in ways that specifically are less forceful if we were to speak literally. But anyways, appearently there are also versions of the myth where Hippolytus is not Hippolytas son, but that of her sisters... on account of Hippolyta being dead if we go by Heracles' myth. That version imo works out a lot better. As for the step-mother that tried to get him to go Oedipus, I'm pretty sure that was actually the sister of Ariadne. As I recently found out, Theseus didn't just take Ariadne with him from Krete, but also her sister, but Ariadne was the only one he left behind... so he married her sister instead... yeah, there's a reason Theseus is commonly considered Greeces worst hero, despite all the competition...

Greek mythology: where castration isn’t enough to stop a god from boinking. The process does explain why Aphrodite’s promiscuity, that or the PTSD. Gotta cope somehow.

In one version I read, one of the reasons Zeus imprison Prometheus was because as the Titan of forethought he knows which woman would give birth to the son strong enough to overthrow Zeus

Yup. So I forget where the later interpretations get codified but Eros' origin is usually either as a spawn of Chaos or the son of Aphrodite. Both ideas were around and depends on which myth you look at.

02:30 - 02:36 those characters are from the children's book/ animated film "Scary Godmother", you probably saw the movie (and/or its sequel) on Cartoon Network in October when you were a kid.

Only one of the 3 brothers who isn't guilty of some form of adultery was Hades, apparently

Actually, Red does do some analytical videos. There's her evolution of different gods, a bit in Acteon, Orion, and the Zodiac, but it mostly shows up in her Trope Talks videos, which is where she takes various tropes, explains what they are, and analyses what makes them work and what doesn't through various forms of media. She also makes a point of not calling any trope bad (with one exception, which is because the trope stems from bad writing), just that they aren't often executed well.

I love when people react to the Theogony video, because "that's a lot of hands" is literally always what they say when the Hekatonkheires pop up. Which, yeah, their name literally means "hundred handed ones" because ancient names are often very literal.

If someone has already said it, I apologize for repeating this. If you're wondering about the Extra Credits guy, OSP and Extra Credits did a bit of a collab where one channel points to the other's video about Japanese folklore, and in EC's case, it was about the death of Izanami and Izanagi's attempt to bring her back from the land of the dead.

Tartaros is basically the ancient greek version of hell. It's where wrongdoers and blasphemes go.

Tam Lin, originally fan-translated as Fairy Knight (as a title) is what they called the Round Table Knight analogs in the British Lostbelt in (drumroll please...) FGO!

The myth I heard about Athena's birth was Zeus challenged Metis to a shapshifting contest. Then when she turned herself into a fly or something similar. He quickly ate her, and the headache came from metis hammering out the armor and weapons she would create for athena inside Zeus's skull. Also Hephaestus was the one who split Zeus skull open in my version with his hammer.

The characters you though you recognized were from "Scary godmother." A movie series about a witch helping a kid enjoy Halloween.

23:30 You will never see Venus on the Halfshell the same way again.

Fun fact there are several variants of the Tam lin ballad. I'm partial to Tricky Pixie's version ("Tam lin"), as well as Drake Oranwood & Heather Dale's "Tam lin of the Elves". Also, anais mitchell's child 39.

Scary Godmother! Loved the specials growing up, likely what you recognized the characters from.

There is a Greek myth where Hera, Poseidon, and Athena team up and try to overthrow Zeus

for my western traditions class in college, i had to read seneca’s play about phaedra and discuss the themes in it with the rest of the class and compare it to classical greek (and roman; the play was written by a roman) customs and beliefs. i thought the play was really interesting because seneca’s interpretation was that phaedra was consciously aware of her attraction and wanted to pursue it, but she still cursed aphrodite because she knew it was wrong and she knew she was doomed. i still have my copy of the play on my shelf. also, i think you’re going to like aphrodite’s lore. it’s a trip lol

The image at 2:35 is from the Jill Thompson's Scary Godmother series of comics, children's books, and a couple of animated specials.

24:00 gota love rushing headlong into your destiny by trying to avoid it.

14:30 Extra Credits is another channel, actually two channels with one focused on gaming (both board and video games) while the other focuses on history and myths. I think you would like both of them.😊 P.S they were just making little cameos in just one of each of their episodes.

10:57 To explain: Red: A murderous spider demon known for diversifying its villanous portfolio beyond the basic Shelob impersonator by using it's shapeshifting powers to pull part time as a hot lady. Blue: Actually Shelob did that too. Red: What? Blue: Have you played Shadow of War? (I think) Red: No I haven't played Shadow of War. Blue: (Can't hear what he says, but probably explaining how she was depicted as having a human form in that game) Red: But that's stupid. Blue: (Also have no idea what he says here). Red: Tolkein's arachnophobia did not die for this. Shelob is a giant spider (or well, technically the books call her a monster in spider form rather than just a spider), offspring of Ungoliath, who lived in Cirith Ungol. Orcs there referred to her as "Her Ladyship" while Sauron apparently called referred to her as "his cat". She appears in the Two Towers in the Books and Return of the King in the Movies where she is encountered by Sam and Frodo (as they were lead to her by Gollum. Because she had caught Gollum previously and he had promised to bring her tastier meals, and was hoping she would eat Sam and Frodo but discard the One Ring so he could take it). In the game Middle-Earth: Shadow of War, sequel to the game Shadow of Mordor, she was depicted as having a human form. Apparently the devs said that they could have kept her as just a giant spider demon but that would mean scaling back her role and they said that "they really wanted to explore the character" and I guess having human form helps with making interactions with the player character easier (I suppose there is a point to that, many people would find it difficult to do anything with giant spider in video game other than a boss battle).

Artemis’s relationship with Orion doesn’t count as a fling as their relationship was purely romantic (or friendly, depending on how you interpret it), not s*xual. Of course, that’s one version. Another is they had antagonistic relationship because he kept bothering her hunters and she kills him to get him to stop. (Or something like that. Red does a vid on it. It’s great).

35:00 actually it seems that their Orion’s and Artemis relationship was more like friends than any source of romance. They enjoyed each others company but were not interested in being lovers if I remember correctly

o look @Airier is blushing

There is a greek Ragnarok, called the Titanomachy. Basically the titans break free of their imprisonment to once again do battle with the Olympians, but this time, not everyone is on Zeus' side because he's a dick.

The picture with the witch in the beginning is the scary godmother

Extra History (formerly Extra Credits) is a great channel. Even if you're not into their history content (which I'd judge you for, but fine), they have their Extra Mythology series. They started out as a channel discussing video games but they moved all their gaming content to their 2nd channel, Extra Credits Gaming, either a few months back or last year (time is weird, man).

Fables, the comic series Red mentions at the beginning of the Theogony, is a comic series where fairytale characters and other mythological characters exist in hiding in the mortal world. You know the game Wolf Among Us? That game was made as a prequel to the Fables comic series

20:07 Red mentioned in the Eros & Psyche video how Eros is ancient, primordial and older than the Gods.

Fun Fact: I found OSP thx to their collab with Extra Credits

You should really try out extra credit’s extra history. Very good historical explanations.

22:57 It is still time related since ya can't have a harvest cycle without a concept of time which Cronus was the embodiment off.

A Japanese man of culture. Also, one interpretation is that Zeus absorbing his wife meant Dionysus was her son from being born of his leg.

Whoops, I forgot to post my comment on this past week 19:18 Hesiod was compiling pre-existing local stories, that was mentioned early on and was the point of Red’s reference to American Gods, Fable, etc. Blue doesn’t have a video on Hesiod, but does have a video in the style you were thinking of for Homer, it’s part of the History-Makers series. 20:20 Tartarus is like the under-underworld. It’s below Hades and can contain all sorts of immortals, monsters, god-like beings, and occasionally the people do things like blaspheming the gods. So it’s more tormenting than the worst parts of Hades, and more importantly way harder to get out of. Eros’ origin varies depending on the story. In many he’s a child of Aphrodite, in others he was born alongside Aphrodite, but in Theogony they thought “can’t have cosmic boinking without the abstract concept of sexual love.” 21:30 There were more than 3 Cyclopes, this group that were basically gods is separate from the one seen in The Odyssey, who was the child of Poseidon and seemingly closer to a mortal in nature than a god. I forgot to write down the timestamp: Someone else mentioned already that Chronos and Kronos aren’t the same individual, but interestingly that’s not a modern invention. In Ancient Rome, there were several scholars of Ancient Greece that believed Cronus to be an allegorical name for Chronos, and there’s some Greek thinkers (such as Pherecydes of Syros) who may have used them interchangeably, though it’s worth noting that his theogony is pretty unrecognizable compared to most myths. 37:07 actually, the staff with a snake was already an established medical symbol at the time, it’s based on Apollo’s staff.

The Aphrodite video! I can't wait to see Airier's reaction to that one.

34:53 OSP actually has a video about Orion, I think. You'll see it eventually.

Do we need Tam Lin as a Disney-esque movie?

Well the titans went out on a high note, y'know cause they were stoned... Only pun I could think of at the top of dome

2:36 It's Scary Godmother.

2:37 Scary Godmother from 2003 and sequel in '05

Afrodite is more than Goddess of Beauty She's the goddess of love Funny her birth is from one of Elements used in making said Aspect if you catch my drift 😉

Asclepius is actually a son of Apollo, and when he’s reviving the dead, Hades wasn’t too happy about it, so he complain to Zeus, who struck him down ! Now it’s Apollo’s turn to not be happy, so he kill the cyclops that made Zeus’s lightning bolt. This is also how he was turn mortal a 2 (or 3, depending which version you’re reading) time :3

I don’t know if you’ve seen Red’s video on Eros (I’m pretty sure you have, but I’ll say it anyway)…but his age is…complicated…sometimes he’s Aphrodite’s son, sometimes he’s older than the gods, and sometimes he’s both

if nobody else has yet, at 2:38 the characters are from Scary Godmother. think it was a book thing before it became a 2 "made for tv" halloween movie thingy. second one is bleh but first one a fun lil classic

2:35 Scary Godmother A special that was shown on CARTOON NETWORK and was for Halloween Based on a book

@Airier extra credit is an other creator who main thing is myth's. You should check him out when you have the time.

So uh.. yeah, that spider myth from japan has alot of different modern takes on it. Alot of them go with the take that the guy got the good ending.

Hera wasn’t Zeus’s second wife, she was actually his seventh. Zeus had six wives before Hera, those being: 1. Metis, the wise counselor 2. Themis, goddess of the law 3. Mnemosyne, goddess of memory 4. Eurynome, goddess of pastures 5. Demeter, goddess of agriculture and 6. Leto, goddess of motherhood

I think the Artemis relationship was always a romantic attraction rather than a sexual relationship but I could be misremembereing.

Fey 'Cute Happy ones' Seelie and the 'Oh shit ones' Unseelie

32:25 That was the mother of Achilles

I know I'm kind of late to the party but that kitsune rock actually broke in 2022, so it was just one more thing that has been going wrong since 2020. :)

"Fables" is the comic "The Wolf Among Us" is based on

Zeus got rekt by typhon, but they sorted it out, red has a video on it

You cannot escape Dogs in Love .....nor Miles Is On Fire/A Robot

Airier you should check out Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne it has a lot of cameos/easter eggs from a lot of myths and legends, even has a nice lore summary that lead me in so many rabbit holes looking up all the gods, angels, demons, devas, demi-gods that it would be up your alley and i think the game is on steam now

The Swollen Ankles bit is actually something that Scientifically happens to Pregnant Women

Love from a Vaush and TaleFoundry fan!

if you wanna get into Extra Mythology/Extra History, be prepared for a helluva rabbit hole. they do GREAT vids. I suggest starting with the South Sea Bubble (it's more fun than it sounds).

It doesn't subvert the premise at all. It just means he didn't need to actively chase down love. Love happens when it happens and as his life was slowly calming down and he was now having more time on his hands he ended up finding someone he actually loved and got married.

32:03 it kinda sorta went bad with him with typhon 😅

Greek mythology summed up in one sentence: Zeus did a dick move. Incidentally, this is also the summary of the game Immortals: Fenyx Rising.

Hah! Jupiter ate Zeus! A good explanation of religious appropriation. 15:56

I've always liked Almond Joys, but then I also like to eat sweetened coconut slivers from the baking aisle right out of the bag.

2:37 Scary-god mother?

25:17 - Ouranos is literally the Sky, you'd expect him to still be in the picture XD

2:33 that is scary godmother and her friends, she was a (rather poorly) cgi movie that came out over a decade ago.

I must have missed Tam Lin video from OSP, But one thing he turned into was...iron? I understood that Fae and other magical beings couldn't stand iron....unless that illusion of iron was suppose to loose grip if Bonny Janet was Fae...

The generation before Titans are the Primordials

It is the scary Godmother it was 2 movies on cartoon network original it was one of my favorite Halloween type

23:14 and this is why you have to watch the Aphrodite video.

3:15 I 100% understand her reason and I would do the same.

2:30 Its scary godmother.

16:24 If you want a novel series that does the "All religions are real thing" arguably as well as American Gods, and is really funny and interesting, I would suggest "The Iron Druid Chronicles." It is great, especially the comedic talking dog sidekick. Warning though, the ending of the last book sucks. It has been about a decade since I read that book, and I am still mad at the author about the ending.

You should totally watch extra history it would be right up your alley

OSP has a history makers series about the various influential authors that defined history. I’m not sure exactly who is there but it’s possible that you could find something about the author of the theogony there

In Japanese legend there are good spirits like the pure white Kitsune‘s who are the messengers of the god Inari and are seen as a good omen

2:37 that’s scary god mother btw

19:22 Airier... Red literally just said Hesiod had compiled existing myths to make the Theogony. 21:32 I think you mean Odysseus. Anyway, yeah there are the three primordial cyclopes and also the one from the Odyssey who is a son of Poseidon (I think there might be more but these are the famous ones). 22:45 Adamant is a fantastical metal. Or possibly refers to Diamond.

Nope you are thinking of Meceneans, the Dark Age, and the Classical Age. Homer supposed to excists in the Dark Age (when writing was lost to the Greeks), but later consolidated later during the Classical Age (think Penopolisian War).

The image at 2:38 reminds me of the scary godmother cartoon movie that came around Halloween time, so that is probably why it seems familiar. The image, I am guessing, is from the original source material that I didn't know existed.

@2:35, scary godmother.

It always amazes me that the combined act of divorce, regicide, and castration of a male organ is what gave birth to the Goddess of Love, Sex, and Passion. The Ancient Greeks had either a very bleak outlook on the idea of romantic love or a deep appreciation for irony. Maybe both.

Rhea may be a Familiar Name due to Fire Emblem

You got the Spider Monster myths Origin right It is indeed Japanese

In fairy lore the tithe to hell is clearly a Christian addition, as Hell was not a tbing to pre Christian Celts. However as they also didn't write anything down, resulting in much of their mythology and its original context being lost we don't know if this concept came from a folklore source that was different or if it was fully introduced... especially as the oldest written sources mentioning it includes some obviously not celtic in origin writing.

Shelob was a woman who sided with evil in Lord of the rings lore and turned into a spider way before the main story where frodo meets her as the spider

the Tam Lin you made have heard from Fate/Grand order as that was the NA title for Morgan's "Fairy Knights" as their original translation was supposed to be.