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Trying something new in this video. Using a bit of audio in the intro. What's everyone think?

If you're interested in the fact that Persephone and Demeter were around in Mycanean times but Hades wasn't, there's a whole-ass video about him and Persephone where Red explores this in detail! Definitely recommend it, it's DEEPLY cool!

I love that the game Hades acknowledged the whole Dionysus/Zagreus conflation and the whole Orphic Cult.... by having the stories conflating the two of them all be a practical joke the two of them tried to play on Orpheus, but the dude took seriously and never realized was a joke.

Calling Alexander the great nicknames like Alexander the alright is a running joke in OSP videos. You can look forward to many more of them.

Weird, almost like the embodiment of drunkeness is incredibly chaotic.

Welcome to the true rabbit hole of OSP! Red does several more of these deep dives (Hades and Persephone, Aphrodite, Hermes, Loki, etc) and a LOT of it can be cross-referenced to Blue's historical vids about similar times and places. Red didn't major in mythology or folklore, she was a Math major. She took a bunch of Classics courses and they took hard.

12:51 Not "Slavic", "syllabic", meaning writing characters represent syllables and not shorter phonemes like our Latin alphabet.

32:10 The other reason for there to be so little information on Zagreus is because he's an underworld god. Red explains it more in her video on Hades and Persephone, but the names of gods of death and the afterlife were very rarely invoked because people had the idea that saying their name brought their attention to you, and no one wants the attention of a death god.

32:55 there are glorious references to this in the video game "Hades", which features Zagreus as protagonist. As your relationship with Dionysus develops he comes up with an idea to deliberately muddy some of their stories together, basically as a prank on mortals.

Not all Titans participated in the Titanomachy, the war between the Greek Gods and the Titans and thus the Titans who didn't take part in the war were spared from punishment. Oceanus, the Titan of the Seas was a neutral party and was thus allowed to remain free. Rhea was the Titaness mother of Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Hera, Demeter, and Hestia. Because she was their mother, and was on the side of the Greek Gods, she was also spared In Greek myth, Hestia was anything BUT a hothead. She was a warm and kind goddess who never wanted trouble, or be involved in any conflict. She represented the hearth, and the feeling of being comfortable at home

The problem with Dionysus is that his mysteries/cult had secrets that many of their practitioners took with them to the grave. So details can get scant when your cult will kill you to keep you from spreading their knowledge to those whom can record it.

I was looking forward to this. Thanks for the reaction. Basically, Romans said oh, you're Greek, so all those people and cultures are now called Greek. Now you've a taste, I'm looking forward to the full ancient _Dread_ Persephone reaction.

Airier: "I actually know about this one!" I am expecting he will be very surprised and learn several new things through the video lol.

12:10 Blue speaks about that in one of his History Hijinks videos. Got to blame Rome for the name Greece. Basically, they discovered an city outpost of one of greeces citystates and just assumed that all people from that region belong to the same tribe (Graeci).

I think the reason we lump all those city-states together as 'Ancient Greece' is because they were all culturally connected to a degree.

Trust me, if you thought *this* was as crazy as it gets... Well, let's just say there's a reason I've come to read Persephone as a Goddess of _Rot and Decay_ in addition to the whole Queen of The Underworld thing

to elaborate a bit more on the Mycenaean pantheon and the cthonic bits: As Red said, Poseidons main cthonic trait seems to have been his epithet as the "landshaker" which implies he was a god of earthquakes the same way Zeus is considered a god of lightning even though his main domain is the sky. Basically, it doesn't seem like he was a "god of the underworld" the same way Hades would be later (although it would ironically somewhat link him to the Japanese god Susanoo, god of storms linked to the sea who later on in his myth also became a god of the underworld appearently), but as his power over earthquakes was linked to the ground the people back then somehow seemingly reasoned that into power over the underworld. As for Hades and Persephone, Red of course has another video where she'll go over them in a similar way, although not much to Hades' potential origin. This right now is just my personal headcanon, but since the location of the underworld itself is called Hades as well, I feel there's a mix-up that might've happened there. Not sure if we have sources if the underworld was already called Hades or something of the sort in Mycenaean Greek, or explicit sources that the name for the underworld came way after the god popped up, but I could definitely see something like people over the Dark Ages forgetting that Hades was the place and making him the god instead just to mix with the people that remembered it as a place after a while (perhaps some misunderstanding around Hades' "kidnapping" of Persephone, who was already linked to the underworld originally, maybe a misreading of the action could've caused a personification?), or the moment the word "Hades" first popped up in the Dark Ages for the place, there was a misunderstanding that caused some to understand him as a god instead. Also, interestingly enough, and this will somewhat tie into another of Reds videos down the line, I've recently learned that Ariadne, who helped Theseus through the labyrinth to face the minotaur, was appearently engaged with/married to Dionysus in older myths, while later myths had her get married to Dionysus after she was left on an island by Theseus, so that looped around, but also adds to Dionysus' connection to Crete. Also... since it's almost tradition for me at this point, Dionysus' take in Fate: Interestingly, he's appearently not one of the 12 Olympians in Fate, Hestia still holds that title, which also means that Dionysus presumably doesn't exhibit the same... unique, "deus-ex-machina" properties as the other Greek gods in Fate, without trying to spoil too much about that.

"Syllabic script" no "Slavic" - at least I don't think so.

Red should honestly make what I like to call the Deity Deep-Dives their own playlist. The one on Hades and Persephone is probably my favorite (Loki being a close second) but they’re all awesome. Fortunately, all of them are still in the Miscellaneous Myths playlist, so boy are you gonna have a fun time 😁

Good news, Red has an entire video like this on Hades and Persephone!

24:22 Every religion has a cult dedicated to worshipping specific gods.

Possibility for the death and rebirth thing: grapes. They die (season ends) and the "party drink" dwindles while everyone tries to keep the current stock long enough for it to come around again.

Ahh, I love the time period involved here. To answer some of your questions: The Greeks (or Hellenes) had a self-conscious idea that, while they may be Spartans or Athenians or Thessalians or etc, they were still all Greek. The standard for who was Greek and who wasn't varied over the years, as did the exact terminology used to refer collectively for themselves, but in general the markers of a shared language, shared culture, shared rituals and religion, and a notion that all Greeks were descended from the same ancestral stock was the justification. They certainly didn't always get along, but they did have certain festivals that were restricted only to Greeks, and there's a noteworthy example in how this practice would shift (or was forced to shift) when the Macedonians, in exchange for helping the Greeks fight off the Persians, demanded to essentially be recognized as being Greek by being allowed to participate in the Olympic games. You seemed a little confused by the mention of Linear B being a syllabic script. I think you might've misheard Red and thought she said Slavic? A syllabic script is just a writing system where each syllable has a dedicated character, in this case a consonant-vowel pair. Its also really odd that the Mycenaean Greek language used this script because a syllabic script works really poorly for writing Greek, even of that period- there's all sorts of times where you have to use a final consonant and just know that the vowel part of that symbol is silent for that word, for example, as well as consonant clusters that get written with a similar silent vowel between them, that we really only know about because we know what Classical Greek more-or-less sounded like, as well as a decent idea of Proto-Indo-European, and we can roughly figure out what Greek should've sounded like for the Mycenaean period. So why did they use Linear B? Simple, they adopted it from the Linear A writing system that the Minoans used, which we unfortunately still haven't been able to translate. That's an entire fascinating rabbit hole I won't go into. Anyway yeah Dionysus is a satyr and probably connected to Pan and *definitely* ties into why we depict Satan as a satyr half the time. His frenzied followers would go get high off their ass on wine laced with god-knows-what and then literally tear someone limb from limb and eat their raw flesh as part of their ritualistic animalistic state. Talk about a party!

People complain about Hades being Persephone's uncle and thats gross but forget Zeus had children with both his sisters and his daughter with one of those sisters while poseidon had a child/children with either his sister or his mother depending on the version of the myth, and if we combine mythology to achieve maximum ickyness married the daughter product of thst affair. Not forgetting poseidon had a child with his grandmother

Orpheus was the guy who went to the underworld to petition Hades and Persephone for the return of the woman he loved. he was allowed to take her back to the land of the living under one condition, he not look back until they were back in the land of the living. As they get close, he doesn't hear her footfalls, looks back to make sure she was still behind him, he saw not his living love, but her in her dead form, different tellings describe what he sees differently, some say she was a shade, others that she was a shadow, others that she was a full-on ghost, and some describer her as a walking corpse. Because Orpheus didn't keep his end of the bargain, his love was forced to stay in the underworld. At some point after returning to the land of the living, Orpheus was ripped apart by a group of women, some tellings say it was princesses, some say it was priestesses, others say that it was common women, all agree that they were under the thrall of madness induced by Dionysus. Orphic mystery cults would feature, among other things, a lengthy play about the life and death of Orpheus. Orphic cults would have rituals to gods of the underworld and gods of madness from all over the known world, not just Greece. The only reason why anyone today knows about the Orphic mystery cults is because there is disparate documentation from different people who were invited to observe the goings on by the cultists and wrote down what they saw and heard, and an Orphic cult for a short time gained mainstream popularity.

I think some of the Pastafarian churches have beer fountains, but I’m not sure. I know a beer volcano is in their version of heaven

RU-vid, I'm not drinking alcohol, I'm praying to Dionysus.

For the origin of Hades: Red has naturally made a video on Hades which goes into that.

He was just going around drunk, and then stumbled back home. She didn't mention quite a few things, like his association with Satyrs, though that was visually implied.

The whole thing with Dionysus being reborn is partly why many think that he's somehow related to Zagreus, the god of blood and rebirth.

To ancient greece being a lot bigger than you thought, it didn't just hit the boot, it arguably also extended to the island of Sicily (I.e. the rock that the boot kicks) The southern province of Italy used to be called "Magna Graecia" i.e. "Greater Greece" by the Romans because of that. As for the part of Anatolia not going far inland, I think the main reason for that is that there is a lot of mountains not too far into the lands, before getting to the relatively secluded highlands in the center.

Rhea is Zeus’ mom, of course she’s not imprisoned

Oh, to expand a bit on "what predates the Mycenaeans", some context. Its thought that Proto-Indo-European broke apart around 2500 BC, spreading across a wide portion of Europe and West Asia, essentially. Its thought that the Proto-Greeks migrated from an ancestral land north of the Black Sea south into the Balkans sometime around 2200 BC (give or take 200 years), though they didn't expand across all of it. At this point, they mainly took the highlands. Regions like future Athens, Sparta, Thessaly, etc weren't reached yet. This distribution is based on these regions having chiefly Greek place-names, while the southern regions preserve both Greek and non-Greek place names, indicating that they were settled later on. Mycenaean Greece comes around about 1750 BC, occupying little of the same territory that we identify with Proto-Greeks and basically all the same territory we'd traditionally associate with Classical Greece, in essence. This means we have about a 500 year span where it is extremely unclear what happened and how. Did the Proto-Greeks go conquering south and impose themselves on the existing populations? Was there a slow merger of the two cultures? Did the existing people south of them just adopt the Proto-Greek language for some reason? Were the people outside Mycenaean Greece in the Proto-Greek area also speaking Greek? How do the Thracians, Illyrians, Phrygians, and other contemporaries of Classical Greece fit into this? We know those were all Indo-European languages as well, but were they closely related to Greek or even siblings? We essentially have no idea. On top of that, who were the people who existed there before? We can strongly guess that they had ties to the nearby Minoan civilization, and/or to the nearby peoples in Anatolia (such as the Luwians, another Indo-European people who spoke a language related to Hittite). We might even be able to tie them to the Lemnian language, which is suspected to be part of a larger family called Tyrsenian, related to Etruscan and Rhaetic. The distribution of this family (if a family it indeed is) would imply that the group was once much more widely spread, and presumably areas that once spoke related languages were taken over by Indo-European peoples, such as the Proto-Greeks. But, all in all, there's little than can be done except to speculate.

@Airier I highly recommend you either playthrough the videogame 'Hades' at some point or react to all the story and interactions. From a story and writing aspect it's great but layering the mythology on top makes it excellent.

16:25 Hades could have existed as a name for the underoworld over all so later on when he was turned into an god in his own right Persephone's aduction into the underworld and the following deal of staying in the underworld was taken as her being married to the god of the underworld.

6:13. If the future is bright It doesn't shine with that "end of the tunnel" light More like a deer in the headlights Sudden red lights Or "you're dead" lights As the anglerfish bite Cut from the song Passing Through

Fun fact Red has a major in math and Blue almost had a major in business

God, I love the video game Hades, and Son of Hades and Persephone Zagreus getting into shenanigans with Dionysus on occasion. The game actually references the strange mythological connection they have of Zagreus being an aspect of Dionysus by having the duo setting it up as a prank, because young dude gods having fun bro. That game has all the cool lore and it makes me see it as the best version of the old myths.

I remember being approached by Dionysus and understanding that we’re I to start worshiping the Greek Pantheon, he and Aphrodite would be my patrons.

Here's a joke about Zeus: Lightning doesn't strike twice... except when it does.

Hera's action is actually understandable. She's the Goddess of Marriage. Of course she gets angry when Zeus cheats on her. But since Zeus is stronger than her she takes revenge and punishes the woman he cheats with instead.

If you're ever interested in seeing more of Red's artwork outside of RU-vid, she helps illustrate a on-going web comic called Aurora. Worth a casual read.

5:22 the same goes for "stranger in a Strange land". Reds done an analysis/summary of it.

Airier wasn't too far off the mark when he said that Dionysus's actions in The Bacchae seemed weirdly personal. Pentheus wasn't just some random king -- _he's Dionysus's _*_cousin,_* the son of Semele's mother's sister Agave. The story is basically Dionysus visiting his mortal relatives, getting pissed that they're insulting his mother by calling her a liar when she claimed to have been with Zeus, and taking revenge on them one by one until they accept that Semele was telling the truth.

Do you think this is edging? I have something to tell you. Aphrodite was the Spartan's favorite war goddess and keeps being recharacterized back into her role as a war goddess with the last group to do so being the Romans. Also, Persephone was the original God of the Dead, and the story of her marriage to Hades was more or less her return as Queen of the Underworld that Hades took over.

The titanesses got to stick around because they stayed neutral during the Titanomachy.

Now you have to go and see the Loki's history that Red did ("Miscellaneous Myths: Loki"), it is on par with Dionysus's transformation, if not even better.

In the game Hades where you play as Zagreus there is a series of events where you make up a bunch of stuff about yourself and gaslight Orpheus at the request of Dionysus and that is the in universe explanation for his inconsistant origins

we feel old @Airier said im going to FING 39 ON X-MAS. i feel even OLDER

12:07 They all spoke the same language, so everyone else referred to them collectively as "Greeks".

It's kinda like Dionysus was such an old and powerful god that the Olympians kinda brought him with them to avoid conflict xD

Blue finally gets into it in one of his rome history videos, but they both have running jokes about Alexander the great being a horrible epitap with everything you could pick with that guy why would you go with the great and honestly I agree with them at this point 😂

"That's one hell of a C-section..." *wheeze* Dude, that was the perfect joke!

Fun d&d tip, Sparagmos is a nice, one word, command one could issue to someone, whilst pointing at their ally.

47:26 Greek Theatre was invented as a replacement for the ‘taking an animal or person and ripping it apart’ aspect of Dionysus worship. The word ‘tragedy’ comes from the Ancient Greek _tragōidía_ which literally meant ‘goat-song’, both as a reference to the satyrs frequently serving as the chorus in the plays, and because goats had been a very common selection for the whole dismemberment thing.

@7:55 Alexander the ____ is a running gag on the channel that stems from Blue's video on the guy, where he has a little aside that "the Great" is a terrible epithet and hates it. Since then, he's been given other epithets whenever he pops up. @12:56 Syllabic, where every character represents a syllable. Think the Japanese kana system. @56:53 Red's degree/major was mathematics, not myths. Now you understand why we kept recommending these videos to you. She has more like this (if it's just a god or a few other figure's name, they're like this). Enjoy.

38:19 For ancient Greece, a "cult" was literally just the term for those that worshipped a psecific god/goddess. ALL Greek gods and goddesses had their own cult. For a modern example, those that follow Christianity could be said to be part of the Christian cult. The word cult simply means something different to us.

The whole gist about "Alexander the Pretty Alright" is that when Blue did a history video about Alexander the Great, he ended up naming him "Alexander the (insert word)" so now any time Alexander the Great is referenced in an OSP video, they say "Alexander the (insert word)."

12:07 Greek city states even at their most antagonistic phase toward one another did generally see one another as being part of the same group, of course some were seen as being more than the others. In short Greeks were never united till they were conquered by outside powers (Makedonian were seen as not Greeks enough by the majority of the Greek so they count) yet many were united in a many leagues which came quite close to unifying Greeks but ultimatly failed.

Historia Civilis has a fantastic video on what could’ve caused the Bronze Age Collapse, my best TLDR is the political and environmental scene may have gone sideways and the systems in place were unable to adapt. But that’s unfortunately just speculation as we’re blessed with some letters from the time, but they’re not exactly writing the backstory to people who already know.

22:24 Anime was inspired by American animation so it is in someway true 🤣

•Dionysus in Mycenaean era: “Greetings, here’s a drink. No need to ask for more.” •Dionysus in Classical Greece: “Let the madness begin.” >:) •Dionysus/Zagreus version: -Dionysus: *Drinks entire bottle of booze* “More wine, more women, more men, more music!” -Zagreus: *screaming in Dionysus’ head* “GIVE ME BACK MY BODY, YOU WORTHLESS PATHETIC DRUNKARD!” • Dionysus in Hellenistic Greece: “Hi, I’m Dionysus, the God of Wine. And Welcome to Jackass!” Also several Titans are still active during the reign of Olympus. Rhea, Thanatos, Helios, Selene, and Prometheus, among many others are still very active. Mostly due to them *not* siding with Kronos in the war between Olympus and the Titans. Heck even some Primordials like Uranus, Gia, Tartarus, Nyx, Erebus, and Kratos are still around. Additionally, in Greek mythology, while there are many gods, goddesses, and demigods, most demigods don’t ascend to Godhood and there are 12, technically 15, major Gods of Olympus. Zeus, Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, Apollo, Artemis, Athena, Ares, Hephaestus, Aphrodite, Hermes, and Dionysus or Hestia; depending on the version your reading, are the big 12. The other 3 are Hestia or Dionysus… depending on the version… Persephone, and Hades.

Red's degree is actually in Math. Blue is the Classics major.

37:58 if you are talking about the God of Lili‘s Familia, then that wasn’t Dionysos. That was Soma. Dionysos exists in Danmachi, however he appears pretty much only in the Sword Oratoria Side story

Yeah, apparently Poseidon in pre-greek as i think of it may very well have encompassed both hades and his own domains more or less, with “the river styx” actually being an under the ocean river/current, and also explaining some of the very old ocean burials of theirs involving burning ships, with those of particular note being burnt with holy symbols made from stones that cast green and blue fire…

Hades has been hypothesized to have started out as an aspect of Poseidon and split off into his own god later. Not a sure thing but it would explain how Poseidon became significantly less associated with the underworld around the same time Hades starts getting mentioned

blue actually has a video on why greece is greece. it's part of a kind of mini-compilation meme-style video, called history hijinks or something like that

*slaps shoulder excitedly* He's doing it! He's doing it!

I mean if you look into it zagrius, Dionysus, and pan could be the same entity. zagrius taking the underworld connection, dionysus the wine,and pan being the more animalistic. if that is true that means all three forms of Dionysus tormented King Midas( Dionysus gave him his Golden Touch, pan turned them into a donkey, and then when he got to the underworld he ended up on the court of Souls to decide the place where the dead would spend their afterlife.)

What says god of wine more than chaotic debauchery? Also YES my favorite Greek god!

12:00 The Greeks weren't really unified under a common government prior to the Macedonian Empire and the Athenian League, but there was a common cultural identity. Each city or island had it's own king and myth and heroes, but the language and the trade networks bound the people together with a sense of being a greater whole that reached beyond legal borders or theological details. This flies in the face of our modern ethno-nationalist understanding of country and identity, in a way that feels kind of trippy.

The videos on Aphrodite, Hermes, Hades and Persephone to understand better this unifying/dividing nature of greek culture

I'm sure you got plenty lined up to watch, but some of my specific favorites of red's videos for going deep not only into the mythology and stories of gods, but how the gods developed and changed with the cultures that worshipped them are Persephone, Aphrodite, and especially Loki, which is my personal favorite miscellaneous myths videos. All worth checking out, especially if you feel similarly confident about knowing those gods stories as with Dionysus. They all have a lot more to them than you'd think.

"Time is a bitch and I feel old suddenly" SAME

11:50 The topic of "what differentiates Greeks and barbarians (i.e. foreigners)" is actually the subject of a lot of ancient Greek philosophical debate. Basically it boiled down to a shared language and a shared pantheon, even though religion wasn't exactly exclusionary like the Abrahamic faiths. "Barbarians" were people who didn't speak Greek and whom the Greeks thought said "bar-bar". Later, ideas about inherent Greek cultural superiority festered with some nasty conclusions about why these "simple-minded but physically strong" barbarians could be enslaved by the "high IQ" Greeks (thanks Aristotle).

10:28 Honestly, this is all of Greek Mythology. Every Hellenic Canon is a doomed attempt to cobble together a government approved, cohesive religion out of millennia of poetic license, competing propaganda and game of telephone.

"I got to the 'this is bad writing stuff.'" So you didn't get past the third sentence either?

44:17 Historia Civilis has a very good video about the Bronze Age Collapse.

So, not all titians were fully like chopped up or bound under mountains or what have you, some, albeit rare, and usually still suffering lighter “punishments” (some were innocent like calypso) and were in contact with the gods after everything happened. But, these were usually rather tenuous and stressed relations, usually.

am i the only one who thinks the version of dionysus at 57:20 is like hella cute. i mean i get he was essentially always meant to be seen as androgynous and cute. but that specific image for some reason is really cute.

Rhea is the mother of the first set of Olympian Gods, which consists of Hestia, Hades, Hera, Poseidon, Demeter, and Zeus, (not necessarily in that order, but Hestia and Zeus are the oldest and youngest respectively) and was one of the Titan's who sided with them during the war against Kronos because she hated that he kept eating their children. So it would make some sense for her to raise Dionysus as she's his grandmother.

finally... hes getting these ones. just wait till Aphrodite

Them trying to outlaw the wine cult is just the prohibition prototype. 😂

Huh, this iteration of Dionysus sounds awfully similar to Pan who is a Satyr that is associated with chaos, partying, and alcohol. That’s going to be confusing. They must be from a different pantheon of gods I guess.

Gaia was personiphication of Earth. Rhea was mother of Zeus, and other original gods. There are also another Titans around like Prometheus, Atlas etc

I have to say comparing the problems with trying to figure out where which god came from and who existed first and all that to trying to figure out the Twilight plot from 50 shades is pretty good...

If you are interested in learning more about the Bronze Age collapse, Extra History has a series on it. I think Blue may have also made a video on the topic.

First time i ever heard of the bacchanal killing Orpheus was in neil gaiman's sandman,in xena the bacchanal was vampires, Internet historian mythological video talk about Orpheus and Midas

12:50 I’m pretty sure she said “syllabic script” not “Slavic script”.

I would like to recommend the channel Living Mythology as it is a collaborative between Baldermort and his daughter Lightbringer. They have told myths concerning the greek creation story, the titanomachy, and a few related myths, and recently has concluded the typhon myth. They do a wonderful job telling these stories. I do not know what is next but i am looking forward to it. Speaking of Baldermort many of hisstories include lore before and after the explainatory dump of the central 'thing.' My favorites are 'mutants' 'chapter foundings' and he's done several compilations of stories from his lore videos. Also you are one of the few react channels i subscribe to and basically found you because Black Pants Legion.

This becoming a growing misunderstanding, and Red brings it up I believe in the Hades and Persephone vid(I think) The word cult is different from how we use it in the context of religion. A cult is just a group/house of worship, not a secret small group. A cult is a subsection of religion, with focus on one particular deity or idea of a whole. Size of the group doesn’t matter, it’s just who their focus is. A secret cult is just the same but they just don’t share the specifics, in this case probably cause they were all to drunk. So technically, something like Catholicism is a cult of Christianity.

Anime was originally inspired by some older American cartoons like Mickey Mouse and Betty Boop and anime and American cartoons kept being passed back and forth as inspiration for each other until the modern day of how anime and some American cartoons look like today

this is a fun one lol

I believe there’s an Aphrodite, one that goes into a similar style of breakdown that I recommend you watch next

Given how we're dealing with time frames in the BCs I don't think Dionysus cults had anything to do with Christianity. You know, since BC is Before Christ.

Ah! Now we get into the real fun OSPs

Alright and at this point it is pretty definitive to say that Airier hasn't played Hades. Otherwise he totally would have flipped his shit right about here 26:14

Airier: “cause time is a bitch” Me: •looks at cronos and most of the other time related deities• “well… personality wise perhaps… but im not sure you want to try saying that to them directly… just sayin”

I don’t think I’ve ever laughed so hard, so frequently, for so long in my life.🤣🤣🤣🤣

I should point out that the classical Greeks did sometimes portray Dionysus has older and bearded in both sculptures and vase paintings.