Sky News has been given exclusive access to an interactive 3D model of the Grenfell Tower which aims to provide an unrivalled understanding of the fire that killed 71 people.
It shouldn't have happened. Lakanal shouldn't have happened but it did. But afterwards there was a chance of lessons to be learned. They weren't. Cameron for one cut red tape i.e. the health and safety culture since the report with fire safety regulations to Lakanall was published. It was voted through in the commons so as a result there was no requirement for mass re-renovations of flats with safe materials installed and other proper safety recommendations implemented. Who do they think they are? I certainly don't see any lessons being learned this time either. It seems it will take a whole spate of such fires happening in a very short space of time now for politicians to finally wake up and smell the cyanide and do something to make sure there's not even a remote chance of a Lakanal or Grenfell (and others happening a few years down the line) ever happening again. "There's only a Remote chance of another such fire happening again" is still a significant chance of another one happening again, even if Remote is looked on the same way as unlikely is. But unlikely or Remote does not mean it's not possible as Lakanal and Grenfell have proven. Residents living at such properties should not be at any risk at all.
A fridge fire in a concrete structure should , at worst, affect the occupant of the flat, those on the same floor, and anyone who hasn't closed their window on the above floors. This was turned in to something particularly atrocious by the accelerant - the cladding / insulation material and possibly a chimney effect caused by gaps inbetween. Coupled with a fire policy, or interpretation or communication of policy to remain in flats, a policy that does not seem to have been suitable for this particular type of unusual, externally accelerated, fire. We British seem to find terrible new ways of tragedy. We even found a previously unknown effect, the trench effect, from the Kings Cross Fire. Plus Hillsborough. These things always seem to happen under the Conservatives. When will British government take responsibility for putting in rules that ensure safety? Other rich European countries don't have these cases. England's been an only part time 'society' for 40 years now.
I would not blame Hotpoint. The fact is kitchen fires happen. The expert report from Jose L Torero states that "kitchen fires have a probability of about one", in other words they will eventually happen. The same incident could have occurred if someone set fire to a pan of oil, or an electrical fire elsewhere. The problem was that the fire broke into the cladding system and spread through the insulation and plastic. Compartmentalisation failed and people died. Absolutely tragic.
@@josephw6977 I don't know, what a hot point means, may be overheated? In Germany the statistic proves (Germany only) tumble dryers are number one, cooling devices are number two in cause of a fire. In both cases, with the exeption of construction faults, bad maintenance is the reason number one. (Overburden coupler strip No. 2) Unfortunately owners don't clean filters (tumble dryer) or the back side (cooling device) from dust. Very tricky: Some german tumble dryers hold filters underneath the sidepaneels, owners don't know, because there is only a grid in the side paneels. Never, never, never keep running built-in devices! Learnt the this certain type of a fridge that set the fire is known in Britain for this failure. As same as a certain type of tumble dryer. Technical inspection authority exist in Great Britain, isn't it?
Because the person on the phone is disconnected from the reality on site and is following rules that have been tried and tested for fifty years, as nothing fitted to the outside of the flat was flammable. They didn't realise that giving the Construction Industry the chance to audit themselves would lead to this, but ... In the drive to erect as many of these blocks as possible in the 50/60s the Industry was allowed to Audit itself as the local councils didn't have the workforce to keep up with it. Shortly after Construction some where demolished due to faults, bolts missing, badly made Concrete, incorrect panel sizes etc. No one went to jail then either.
sadly its tough to know how to handle something not done, they didnt expect the cladding to be bad in most cases the fire would stay local (its made of non flammable material), in the end its the cladding company who are at fault!
@@lgbtskylar740 No the fault lies in the people who decided to ditch the fireproof cladding at the last minute for a cheaper one that would not meet the safety guidelines.
All the innocent people who lost their lives so terribly that night. And their families that are left behind with the pain and suffering and the questions. It was a terrible tragedy.
Whitey says NO! I’ve said all along that this dreadful event is being swept under the carpet and nothing seems to be happening nearly a year on. Something sinister about the whole thing I think. I hope these poor souls who died that night and their relatives and friends can find peace someday. 🌹🕊
well we need to put in a petition to ensure there is one too commemorate all those poor innocent murdered victims thanks to the incompetent so called emergency service idiots telling the poor victims to stay put in a burning building!
They might try but people won't let them get away with it, nobody will ever forget what happened there that night and how the residents were let down afterwards as well.
Sad, but true. Wouldn't want be reminded of the cowardes that cost hundreds of innocencent victims their lives on their way home to pay their wives/ leaders/ bosses/ person who wears the pants and beats them when they make a boo boo in bed! Weaklings.
How we treat our citizens demonstrates how civilised we our as a society. Tenants of Grenfell Tower have been abandoned by local and central governments. We will never forget them.
The rich elite have one rule for them and another for the rest of us. They have just spent 365000000 on refurbishing Buckingham Palace yet use flammable cladding to reduce costs.
@@dean9235 Speaking of societal differences, please clarify for this American. Was Grenfell Tower “council flats”?the British equivalent to Section 8 housing? Everything including the engineering, safety features are second-rate? These units are never privately owned but owned by the government?
I remember waking up in the middle of the night and seeing the burning tower on the news. I couldnt believe my eyes, I thought it literally looked like hell
@Rumpelstiltskin Indeed. Safety recommendations from report on a previous similar fire at another tower block back in 2009 have failed to be implemented on when re-renovating or even not re-renovating at all. And this not just at Grenfell tower and the council where Grenfell is based. The cladding that caught fire at Grenfell was installed since the report. It could have happened at any tower in the UK that has with flammable cladding installed. For many councils and other social housing associations to have failed to re-renovate all flats since 2009 with inflammable material is inexcusable. It will happen again to another tower block if nothing gets done to re-renovate flats with inflammable material and sprinklers. Will they all finally do it or will they just wait until the furore from Grenfell has died down and do nothing?
Sadly the fact that the constituents of the area where Grenfell Tower is situated still re-elected a tory councillor within the year anyway shows that people even in the near surrounding areas really don't care as long as they aren't badly affected by such a thing. Disgraceful. May showed how uncompassionate and uncaring she really was over the incident. Sadly far too many seem to show very similar compassion the way they voted last Thursday. I don't see any sudden mass re-renovations of tower blocks up and down the UK after the final report to Grenfell. Many will still have the flammable outer cladding and other fire hazards totally untouched. Nothing was done after the previous similar Lakanal fire in 2009 after all. Re-renovations will still likely be using flammable materials so it certainly won't be in response to the fire safety recommendations post Grenfell. Grenfell re-renovation was not in response to Lakanal either.
It is just sad... I actually couldn't believe it when the events unfolded, and for how rapid the flames spread, how long the fire lasted, it is baffling, a complete failiure when the issues were presented time and time again regarding the cladding.
SeumiseuTV - 스미스티비 And the fact that people don’t care anymore. I was scrolling down the comments someone wrote “i don’t care all I wanna know is how many illegals were living in the building” WHO SAYS THAT?
On the 15th floor firefighters said the environment was 500 degrees plus. Two firefighters suffered burns when they got to that floor as their suits started to melt. Bare in mind they had traverses x14 floors engulfed in flames with no working water hose.
I was visiting my brother who lives 200 yards from grenfell tower. The sight was horrific.as I firefighter I have never seen fire spread so fast. All this time later and still no one has been brought to account for this disaster. Justice for the dead is a long time coming.
If this was a terrorist attack all the suspects would have been arrested within 24 hours. To this day, almost a year on, nobody has been charged with corporate manslaughter.
In the 60s when grenfell was first built, it was designed to keep a fire contained within a single flat for at least an hour using compartmentalization. But over time changes were made to the design and the most recent refit included fitting new cladding which being highly flammable poly ethylene based, defeated the purpose of compartmentalization, the buildings only proper defence against fire.
MaxSafeheaD, the fire codes were relaxed and retired by the Thatcher government to encourage real estate development, i.e., to make more money at the risk to people's safety. None of those officials, and especially Thatcher herself, are around any more to be held accountable.
What a heartbreaking situation this is, all so avoidable. The information that people had was to stay in their flats, unfortunately this information was outdated as the "firedoors" had been downgraded, there was no sprinkler system, no fire alarms, and the fire engines couldn't get up to the building. Those poor souls didn't stand a chance.
Jennifer Holden sprinklers weren't working and fire alarms were too quite. Those who had heard has to inform others and that takes much longer. Now coming to think of it, it was actually a death trap. TOO many coincidences on that day :(
Its modern Britain we are going to crap, its not just councils, landlords are cutting corners, at the last rental I had someone fell through the banisters 3 floors up and died as they were rotten, this was a private landlords the council was paying to provide temporary accommodation, at my current flat I know the external doors are BS they are internal doors the builders are on the fiddle they all are, internal doors cost about £12, external about £40 they are replacing with internal and charging for external and no one knows until they are rotting two years later and the contractor is long gone.
Who the feck in the right mind would vote the sitting tory councillor of the council who used flammable materials on a block of flats which was responsible for a fire engulfing almost an entire tower block.
Instead of spending the money to make a 3D model of the fire use the money to actually help the victims get actual accommodation instead of making them live in hotels
- theres a reason a lot of these families are still in (Luxury) hotels, they are offered houses, but refuse them, therefore being offered better houses. A lot of people are exploiting what happened.
It's informative, it's suppose to be used to collect data and possibly help fire departments and such. Saying "spend money to help them" isn't helping many in the long run. Just some people.
Gemma Harvey They need better cladding, better sprinklers, better firewalls, better evacuation procedures. But to be sure which ones are actually better, someone needs to figure out all the horrible details, like where the smoke went, where the fire went, how fast, what made it go that way, how the 999 operator got the wrong information, how the decisions before the fire went wrong, etc. etc. Because the world is full of cheap skyscrapers and cash-strapped supervisors, and we need to know how to avoid too many similar disasters.
It's a disgrace, I honestly can't with Kensington anymore. Although I wasn't affected by the fire, my local community certainly was. I along with others have now either moved to another borough or applied for a house in another borough where the social divide is much smaller and more welcoming. We need answers, people need to be arrested, families need to be compensated. The saddest part is apparently, the rich residents and landlords refused victims to stay in one of the many overpriced, empty apartments in the area but that might not be true.
It wasn't until this video, 2 and a half years later that I now realize that the blaze on the right hand side of all the social media videos was a subset of vertical units within the three facing towers. I always thought that in these videos, the fire was on the side of the building, THE SIDE, working its way up through the cladding, and that it was only the siding and balconies on the outside of the building that were aflame. I am laying here just absolutely stunned to realize that this was an entire section units of the building that was just absolutely engulfed in flames. I am completely speechless and my heart is broken even more than it already was.
It show's where the fire started on the fourth floor in flat 16 which I don't think they knew when this was made. It was caused by a malfunctioning fridge freezer supposedly.
Wavey' Babz yh that was very weird but apparently it was bc they assumed the doors were strong enough to hold it back. Of course, it turns out they were below normal standards anyways
Because, if the building was 'up to standard' that would have been the best advice! That's how towers in Britain are supposed to be built. With half-hour fire doors, intumescent stops and decent sprinklers/extinguishers preventing a fire from spreading quickly, this gives the fire service plenty of time to put the fire out. When people rush to evacuate, people get hurt. Fire doors are opened, breaking intumescent seals and oxygen is fed to the fire. The crime here is the deliberate failure to fit sprinklers and update fire extinguishers, the ageing fire doors that fitted poorly and of course, the fitting of flammable cladding to the outside of the building. Socially motivated manslaughter!
Most tower blocks have a 'Stay put' policy because fire regulations mean that a flat should contain the fire for up to 4 hours, therefore if the fire isn't in your flat it is safer to stay in your flat rather than breathe in smoke. However because of the cladding on Grenfell it went up the sides of the building which no one expected.
Towers don't normally go up like that because each flat is built to contain the fire. So towers have a stay put policy to avoid chaos down the stair wells. The cladding was something no one had ever considered or planned for.
Dupey no they shouldn’t. That’s exactly the right thing to do in most skyscraper fires especially apartment buildings. A normal building the fire wouldn’t have spread anywhere close to that fast and the firefighters would’ve had plenty of time to put out the fire or come to each apartment and guide them out of the building
Normally thats exactly the right thing to do when the fire is contained/cant spread from 1 floor to the next.... However here the order to move out by any means necessary should have been made as soon as they saw that the situation was out of control....and by the time they did tell ppl to leave it was far too late for many.
The numbers are accurate, based on known resident numbers, known escapees, known injured and known missing.... then step by step searching and recovery from each area. That’s why it took so long to confirm the number. A large number of people got out, several people were rescued hours after the fire started. Safe housing for all is vital and a human right.
Faizol Refaeil but those responsible will never pay for it unless we keep fighting for accountability, how many watching this video know the name of the councilors who wanted this bullshit cladding?
There were only 120 apartments, there would have to have been two or three people in all of them (and for no one to have evacuated) to achieve that sort of figure.
i remember the day we saw all of thid happening on news..it was terrifying and I'm an hour from there, i wasn't even there and i was horrified by it all. Honestly so sorry for all the people whos lives were lost and for the family and friends who lost them.
This model would not really point finger to people but would bring out possibly way in combating such action and hazard in the future. I would also suggest the result and finding should be added to design manuals.
So the bin chute and bin room was better protected than the actual dwellings? Am I right? So feasibly residents could have survived if they had shut themselves in the bin room?
It’s a travesty of justice that every time something like this happens, the cause is, more often than not traced to a combination of factors involving corporate malfeasance and cost-cutting. It’s mind boggling to me that a building like that could even legally exist in this day and age, where there were no sprinkler systems installed, and only one staircase, yet someone in the council would have had to sign off and approve a building cladding known to be flammable? There needs to be a “corporate manslaughter” law on the books so that there can be some transparency and accountability.
Actually the cladding was "rated" at the maximum for fire safety. Ever thought it wasn't. What was also missed, was that the fire was spreading FAST. Which doesn't fit with "stay in place for rescue"!
I cant fathom the tragedy of losing an entire family.Im so shocked that Fire Brigades arent consulted on the various materials used on these buildings.The stay put advice was disastrous but the Fire Brigade clearly were out of their depth with the speed of the fire.What a tragic way to learn a lesson.Everything is God's will and its up to society to value the lessons.
I don't what to think about what and if anything would happen to the apartment I am currently living in. So sad and rest in peace to those who died. This sounds so similar to what was said to those who were trapped in the Twin Towers while the buildings were on fire on 9/11.
Funny how all the wealthy people that lived near the tower kept complaining about how unpleasant the building was from their window view and the government couldn’t buy out the residents 🧐 low and behold there was a mysterious fire that engulfed the whole block 🧐
I also have to ask how was the Grenfell Tower refurbishment was allowed to pass inspection ( or did it not ?) or regular ( perhaps there were none ) checks by LFB to assess dry riser, lifts control, sprinkler systems etc . As yet I have not heard witnesses testimony regarding the handling back of Grenfell Tower to RBKC from the building contractor. Surely the newly ‘completed’ block would require some type of fire safety certificate in order to satisfy all the legal requirements needed?
Hang on, I just saw a doco on this and Nabil who lost 6 members of his family said in that one that the last thing he got from his sister was a voicemail where she's telling him goodbye and he'd been there for hours yet in this one he's saying the last thing he got from his sister was a text message saying there's a fire which he slept through. Which one is it then? I'm not attacking the guy because what he and his family went through was horrible but just confused on what story is the correct one?
Lets just be clear about how this happened - and who is responsible - its simple. Fire from a faulty fridge passed through an air brick that originally would have vented the kitchen directly outside. Newly installed cladding blocked the air brick, flames went through the air brick and the insulation ignited. This is what a several year inquiry will find. Those responsible are the ones who should have checked the air brick vents were sealed from inside before the cladding was applied. This is the fact of the matter.
Just cut to 06:17 for the full prespective. The comments of Antonio, one of the late survivors to escape the buring building. Who describes inside and out.
Do they not have a building fire code in London??? I’m so confused, in San Francisco the fire department comes all the time for inspections to make sure we are up to code and safe....
The Thatcher government retired and relaxed the fire codes in the 1980s to encourage real estate development. That is considered one of the precipitating causes of the fire.
6:25 The sad part is that the companies that did the outside walls of that building did know perfectly well that the materials were not rated for such use. However, the owner of the building decided to proceed with the cheapest materials available - a decision which resulted into this accident.
I found out one thing: the materials used to build and to decorate the house, buildings are easy to catch fire. They are wood floors, curtains, furniture, rubber chairs, .... We have to create some fireproof (anti fire) materials to stop so sad fires.
There was - the full concrete floors. But the fire friendly cladding made mincemeat of that. And no one recognized it at the time. Until it was too late.
Your approach to the emergency services is one completely unfair. The emergency services did not know the building was “fragile” as mentioned. They advised based on materials which would have been in place
Their only fault is assuming that nobody would be stupid or evil enough to carry out 'renovation' on the building without understanding the fire safety design.
Truly breaks my heart this tragedy al them innocent people ..who to blame...the fridge ? Or them morons who made this who didnt have any safety for lifes?? Rip grenfell x
I don’t understand the stay in place thing in university I was in an 11 floor building and any fire drill or event we knew to leave quickly and orderly immediately and the last person out the room doors new to close the doors behind to slow a fire down