Grindelwald’s SECRET Horcrux | Harry Potter Film Theory 

I'm pretty sure what Dumbledore's never seen before is a memory behaving that way, I'm sure he recognized it as a Horcrux's behavior

If the wand was indeed a horcrux, perhaps the reason it never effected Dumbledore was because Grindelwald never truly wanted to hurt Dumbledore. Since Horcrux take on the personality of who created them when they were created, if Grindelwald created one while he was still in love, the part of his soul in the wand would always be in love with Dumbledore.

I like this theory, but I think there’s another interpretation Dumbledore’s statement about the book, that still works in the theory. It’s not NECESSARILY that he’s “never seen a horocrux try to come back to life”. It could be that he’s never seen a mere magic-book try to do that, and that’s how he knew it was a horocrux

As Dumbledore said: Grindelwald never seemed to care about the stone, he only saw it as an army of inferi, and they could both turn invisible without a cloak. The only hallow he actually really cared about was the wand.

To be fair, you can know about something without ever having seen it before. And one more thing, that part about Grindelwald conjuring a white handkerchief wasn't actually in The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore. It was a direct quote from Rita Skeeter. She said that because Dumby and Grindy were so close as young men

The subtitles on this are from a J vs Ben episode. Just putting it out there in case there are others (like me), who struggle to process verbal communication and have an easier time keeping up if they see it written down.

I'm convinced before even watching the video

I think that Grindelwald, more than anyone else, would understand the importance of a whole soul and wouldn't stoop to the level of producing a horcrux just to stay alive. Grindelwald waged a war on ideology, he lost, and he recognized that his ideals are not as accepted compare to Dumbledore's, so he agreed to pay for his crime, and Dumbledore asked to just have him imprisoned.

You know what other really powerful magical item is associated with Grindelwald--the blood pact. I don't think that Grindelwald was as corrupt as Voldemort--and he wouldn't debase the Elder Wand.

Maybe the bit of Grindelwald's soul in the Elder wand didn't corrupt Dumbledore because deep down it still loved him.

Only a few minutes in and I'm gonna call that the blood pact was a horcrux

Dumbledore is fully aware what Dark Arts are, and has actively choosen his school doesn'tteach these things. He has also kept the books in his "private study" and he has always been very focused on these arts. So the main reason he recognized immediately what the diary was, is because he has been studying these types of things for decades. Now why he took so long with the ring, is probably because the soul attached to the diary is stronger, and more complete. It is also pretty active and vocal, making it obvious that it is a PART of Voldemort, so clearly and object holding a soul. The ring on the other hand just seems like a cursed object, and does nothing in particularly that makes clear a part of a soul is festered inside it. So by recognizing Voldemort made a horcrux out of his diary as it had a soul in it, Dumbledore deduced that the ring was a horcrux aswell (and that is also what he states), and then finds a way to break it. If Dumbledore knew how to identify horcruxes from past experiences, he would have known the ring was one, a lot sooner, and therefor known how Voldemort kept himself alive (besides the soul part stored in Harry Potter). Lastly, if Grindelwald made a horcrux out of the Elder Wand, it would also mean that he ensured the wand couldn't be used against himself, just saying.

I think the subtitles are from your last video: the ludo bagman quizz. Got a bit confused for a second and thought ludo bagman had something to do with grindelwald's horcrux 😅

I like to think of grindlewald made a horocrux that it was the bloodpact bc it was so important to him and he knew Dumbledore couldn’t destroy it, but then he destroys it himself/w the killing curse meant for Credence

Either my computer is somehow pulling the wrong captions, or the wrong captions are set for this episode. Couldn't stop laughing once I looked back to the screen and noticed that tweezers were noted in captions during the ad-break. In other news, I love this idea and it makes a lot of sense.

Wouldn’t it actually be the blood pact? Grindewald has it way more than long enough to make one out of it.

The theory I like for Grindelwald surrendering is that he actually loved Dumbledore and knew that stopping Dumbledore meant killing him,which he didn't want to do and simply decided to wait for Dumbledore to die of natural causes

YOU get a horcux, and YOU get a horcux and YOUUUU get a horcux!

Nah I don't think Grindelwald made a Horcrux. He isn't the kind of guy to go: "Mh yeah, maybe I'll split my soul in half and then whoever finds the missing piece and knows how to destroy it, can weaken me." What I actually think is that Grindelwald might've had a vision of Voldemorts rise and he tried to learn everything about Horcruxes to deal with Voldemort. Maybe you can create a Horcrux for someone else via the Imperius Curse. I think it is possible that he cursed someone to make a Horcrux and then experiment with said Horcrux which ended in the death of the formerly cursed person. You know, just to see what can kill or hurt a Horcrux, is there any limit of death (total atomisation etc) for the original body, how does the revival work etc. Atleast that is what I would do before I would try this piece of magic on myself.

I don't think Dumbledore would need to have seen a Horcrux to recognize one. He's a guy who read EVERYTHING. In his youth, he probably would have made Hermione and Tom Riddle look like slackers.

It can't be a horcrux because if the horcrux was used against his master I would say it wouldn't work. So Voldemort couldn't kill Grindelwald with it. Also I don't think Grindelwald risk corrupting the Elder one by making it a horcrux.

I have a few ideas on this. A. I personally dont think Grindlewald would make a Horcrux but would know how to make one and thus share that knowledge with Dumbledore in their quest to get the Hallows since they may encounter someone who holds a Hallow and has made a Horcrux so one of them can hold this person off the other can go deal with the Horcrux. B. If he did make one yes the Elder Wand is the most likely candidate but i also feel that when Dumbledore ran from the Ministry in OoTP he went to Grindlewald to make sure the elder wand was still a Horcrux as Grindlewald could have helped prevent Voldemort from using it to its fullest potental because by that point Dumbledore knew that the Voldemort Horcruxs had powerful protections on them and since he and Harry could be the only ones to kill the other Voldemort would eventally come for the Elder wand so whats the best case to help Harry if that happens? Have someone help the Elder Wand resist control and since Dumbledore held the Elder wand it allowed Grindlewald to assist if partially in the Horcrux search then with Voldemort dead and Grindlewald also dead but with a piece of Spirit still in the Elder Wand when Harry broke the wand thus allowing the peice of Soul to rejoin the rest of it because yes Grindlewald did feel remorse but to unmake a Horcrux i feel you need to not only feel remorse but perform a ritual to extract the Horcrux to allow it to rejoin or you know destroy the Horcrux in a way as to force the piece of Spirit to leave the object. TLDR.. either No he didnt make one or yes he did but to help Dumbledore down the line.

Grindelwald seems more strategic then Voldemort . It could be the skull he uses . Putting a piece of his soul in it and using it might enhance his seer ability . If I remember correctly we only see him use it once . Could be because he usually keeps it under "lock and key "

Love the video - I'm absolutely convinced, this to me is the most solid theory you guys have come up in a while 🤗 I noticed though that the subtitles aren't fitting... weirdly they seem to be the ones from the Ludo Bagman Quiz video? Could be a hiccup of my phone though, too.

This may have already been pointed out, but the subtitles for this video are for the Ludo Bagman quiz! Thanks for all the fun content.

I'm pretty sure that it is confirmed in the books that the elderwand acts like any normal wand, it is just more powerful. It is said to guarantee the wielders victory because the wand itself is powerful. Proof-ish: In the Lighting struck tower Draco dismarms Dumbledore and therefore beating him and winning the wand, just like Olivander says later will happen. If the wand guarantees victory then it wouldn't allow that to happen. We know wands can do powerfull stuff on their own accord when they are about to be beaten. As Harry's wand does it during the battle of the 7 Potters.

My sister is actually writing a fanfiction of her attending hogwarts along harry but on her own slytherin quest where she and a few other students discover Grindlewalds horcruxes and decide what to do with them. I'm sending her this video ASAP!!

Wouldn't the blood pact be a good option for a Grindelwald Horocrux as well? I mean, he was quite convinced it couldn't be destroyed and wasn't eager to distroy it, also, it was a valuable, meaningful object that anchored him to the man he once loved, and it was both forged and destroyed through the most powerful magic in the Wizarding World: again, love. I don't know, but I agree with you: Grindelwald making a horocrux just makes sense🙌 love your theories!

I still say that the reason why the owners of the elder wand keep losing is because they are not the true owners of it. The origional owner was never defeated in battle, he was killed in his sleep and it was stolen. So everyone else can still use it to preform magic but never use it to ots fullest power.

Great video! I actually wondered about this very thing a few times. The detail about Grindlewald simply raising a white flag and surrendering has always been strangely specific to me. It definitely makes sense that he would see Dumbledore as the ultimate protection for his soul, especially if he had already begun to feel some amount of remorse by that point. Btw, idk if anyone else noticed this but the captions for this video are not the captions for this video, but for a J vs Ben episode?

hope they do end up finishing the Fantastic Beasts series, i like the characters they have come up with. I was a little upset that they got rid of Depp but it was understandable with what was going on and Mikkelsen is an amazing actor as well. it will just be sad if we don't get closure on the story

I think the reason Grindelwald wasn't sentenced to death was that he was arrested in Britain, where the laws are different than in America, where it would be much easier to get a death sentence.

You guys are the best. Thanks for somehow keeping the new HP content coming out.

I don’t like the idea that the elder wand was a horcrux. Why not consider that he used some other random object that’s hidden somewhere?

A fourth reason it might not have effected Dumbledoor is their personal connection,their love of each other

But, if Grindlewald did make the elder wand into a horcrux, how could he have died, when the elder wand is still intact? When Voldy kills Grindy, the elder wand is still in Dumbledore's tomb.

Suggestion: grindwald tried to create and failed. It makes Valdie even more evil... Grindie is still killable by Valdie...

just so you know the subtitles for this video are the subtitles from the last j vs ben 😉

Happy New Year, Carlin Brothers.

I wasn't a big fan of Harry Potter until I started watching y'all's channel and now I'm a Harry Potter nerd! I love y'all's content and your energy keep it up!

The closed captions today are top tier.

Mads Mikkelson is perfect as Grindelwald. Hope we get Fantastic Beasts 4 and 5. I hope you guys the Supercarlinbrothers had a Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays and Happy New Year

Woohoo! Hey guys! Happy New Year Carlin Bros! 🎉😊

envisioning death in the bleachers as harry is getting the stone while being worthy of the elder wand and having the cloak just going "yes yes come on finally someones done it... wait whats he doing? nooooooo awww come on". just makes me smile to myself.

What would happen if you made a horcrux out of a Phoenix? They die and are reborn but does that still hold the wizards soul or does it destroy the horcrux?

Grindelwald was into uniting wizard against muggle and not interested in living forever, therefore he did not make a horcrux.

Absolutely love the subtitles!

While I think yes, Grindlewald did create a Horcrux, I dont believe it was the Elder Wand itself. I also had the theory that if the Horcrux was undone and the soul restored, the item would be destroyed. I dont know why, but thats how all the other Horcruxs "lose" their souls.

I can't believe I've never thought of this before but it makes sooo much sense

Love your videos

You know I really.loved your "what actually happened that night" timeline video so much :D I think it would be awesome to see you do a video like that but for Voldemort...what he experienced leading up to that night and what exactly happened for him to get with Harry's first year teacher.

The surrendering because he knew he was not the master of the Elder wand makes total sense. He didnt defeat the wizard who owned it previously, he merely stole it. I love your guys theories, they always make total sense. Happy new year SCB!

They can usually convince me that at their theories are plausible but not this time. I don't think Grindy wanted to conquer death. I think he wanted to be the most powerful and control the world. The Deathly Hallows was a plausible method to do so. Especially the Elder Wand. I think it was more Dumbledore who wanted power over death, at least theorically. I believe that the reasons Voldy made horcruxes are that he feared death and that he believed that allowing yourself to be defeated by death shows abominable weakness. Has a supremely powerful wizard, he would never be so weak. He assured himself of that. Anyway, I don't think Grindy would have made a horcrux. It wouldn't have helped him to gain control over both the Wizarding and muggle world. He was able to see the future and seemed to be very confident he was untouchable. Having said all that, if he did create a horcrux. I highly, highly, highly doubt he would have used the Elder Wand for it. I think he respected too much. Additionally, horcruxes would be well hidden. Not something he would carry around and have in the open. If the Carlin brothers want to convince me that he made a horcrux and that it was with the Elder Wand as the horcrux, they need more convincing reasoning.

Can a Wizard use a Horcrux to break out of prison? What happens if a dementor kisses a person with a Horcrux? Can you create a Horcrux by killing another wizard who has a Horcrux, and cannot truly die?

Michigan here.. this one was great!

Hey Carlin Brothers: You have the wrong closed captions playing for this video! Something about a Bagman quiz. Better fix it!

I think it is adorable if Dumbledore was carrying around a piece of his former lover's soul. And reading some of the other comments here, It is also adorable if they had pets names for each other like Dumby and Grindy. lol.

That firework idea sounds like fun :D

I can’t help but to think If Grindewald created the horcrux, it would have been using the death of Ariana. Although it’s said that we don’t know which spell actually killed her, that’s so fiting… at least on my mind

The CC is showing for me as the Ludo Bagman Quiz video

I think it is possible that Grindlewald made a Horcrux, however, I dont think that its feasible to put a soul into a wand- a wand is constantly being shown to be sentient of some sort, and I would guess it would defend itself from a Horcrux being made of it- I would think it would be something else if he does make a Horcrux- for example, Nurmengard itself. There isnt any indications on how small or large an item has to be for a horcrux. I think it would also tie in more with him showing remorse and make his soul whole again- wouldnt it make more sense that you had to have the horcrux close to you to rebind it, especially with the line that it is so difficult to do, that it can destroy the wizard. Being literally surround by the horcrux for his imprisonment would allow for him to do this most safely, and could be attributed to his mental state when we see him in the flashback with Voldemort. I would think that Dumbledore knew there was a horcrux in someway, and knew that he couldnt kill Grindlewald as he would just come back in the end- and thats the real reason that Grindlewald lost the duel- the same way that Voldemort did- he didnt have a full soul, and was going against someone with a whole, pure soul.

I always thought that seen as the elder wands under it's first owner was stolen after he was stabbed to de ath in his sleep the ultimate power of the wand d ied then as it was not won in a dual and if you think of it's age surely someone had it and then just d ied of natural causes and therefore the power would end there. Maybe a branch from a tree fell on them and now there is some super power tree that will win an dual against anyone who dares to face it.

I have a theory; the blood pact was a horcrux. A joint horcrux that grindelwald and dumbledore share. Possibly even the first horcrux to ever be created. Love comes from the soul, so theoretically they both put part of there soul inside the locket. I need to think it over alittle more but just from watching this it feels possible at the very least.

Im over here reading the subtitles with closed captions one and it just dont make sense and Im dying from it

4:00 I think he means he's never seen a _memory_ do that so he assumed it was more than a simple memory which is what Harry thought it was

Just as a heads up, for some reason when I put closed captions on this video they're the ones from the Ludo Bagman J vs Ben.

@SuperCarlinBrothers the subtitles you've added are from a Quiz with Ludo Bagman :)

We *do* get to see the process of Remorse in action too, or rather Harry gets to witness it...

Thr captions are for the ludo bagman quiz

The question is: When Grindelwald created his horcrux, and who has been killed to create it?

These socks are amazing!

horcrux's would only corrupt the enemy of the soul hence why when Voldemort had it he felt more empathy about the wand that he didn't notice with other wands he stole from the dead, with Dumbledore he must've felt safe with the wand because he still loves Grindelwald so he became a perfect match for the wand

Happy new year 2023 🎉🎉 ❤

If he made one, I'm thinking it would've been the blood pact. Happy New Year.

So many good points here and so glad to hear another HP theory that opens up the interpretation of the story even more. Was really hoping that Secrets of Dumbledore would have opened the HPWW even more, but instead it seems to have closed it more.

Heads up that the closed captions are for the Ludo Bagman quiz.

Heads Up! The Captions for this video are from a J Vs Ben video lol

Am I the only one getting the subtitles for the Ludo Bagman quiz instead of the subtitles for Grindlewald's Secret Horcux?

Another enjoyable and well put together video, thank you! I only take, Ahem! Ahem! Umbridge at the the claim that Durmstrang taught the Dark Arts in Grindelwald's time. We know they had that reputation when Karkarov was there, but I haven't heard anything about this school also having this reputation 80 years earlier.

What if Dumbledore didn't have an issue using the horcrux'd Elder Wand because Grindelwald loved him as much as Dumbledore loved Grindelwald? We'll never know when he performed this spell, but perhaps Grindelwald made the horcrux after that fight that killed Ariana. If it was his spell that killed her, maybe he was able to use her death to make the horcrux. I think he already had the Elder Wand at that point, and Dumbledore probably had the Elder Wand's brother as well, and the piece of his soul that he sacrificed to it was the part of him that still loved Dumbledore. Falling (truly) in love with him was likely something that took even Grindelwald by surprise and it was an inconvenient part of his Big Plan; having someone you love and care about that much becomes a liability when the wrong people know about it. It makes sense to me that he would sacrifice those feelings, because this would make it easier for him to do what he needs to do with Dumbledore as his adversary, especially hurting Dumbledore. I can't remember if Voldemort killed Grindelwald first or Dumbledore, I think Dumbledore but correct me if I am wrong. We don't know when Grindelwald began feeling remorse for what he had done, but if he had made a horcrux and the amount of remorse he felt was enough to undo it and remake his soul, thereby regaining his ability to feel love again; then perhaps he was reliving the love he felt for Dumbledore. Perhaps he welcomed death because he knew he'd be able to be with/see Dumbledore again and be together in death the way they couldn't in life. I know that sounds really soft and wishy-washy, but love is a huge theme in this series and Dumbledore says it's the most powerful magic there is. Perhaps it took Grindelwald remaking his soul to learn what Dumbledore always knew and Voldemort continually failed to understand.

this video has the subtitles for the Ludo Bagman quiz lol as of 1.5.23 00:29GMT

Not really related but you talk about death sentences in the WW: The veil that Sirius dies in? Do you think it could have the same purpose as the death pool in MACUSA? But the death sentence has been abolished in the UK and so they don't use it and just have it in the Department of mysteries.

I've also never seen a book attempt to come back to life, but I did see one scream it's bleeding head off and scare an entire movie theater audience.

I love your videos!!!!

When the qilin didnt bow to jacob i personally had enough

Not sure if this has been mention before (if so please ignore me) but the subtitles under this video are wrong. They're from another video. No idea if that was a mistake from the team or from RU-vid.

J: There’s really only one super powerful magical artifact Grindelwald is associated with- Me: The blood pact! J: The Elder Wand Me: Oh

2:10 Harry was like Andre Agassi or Novak Djokovic - he made a "carrier" Grand Slam.

J and Ben frustrating Rowling with a theory they made is just so funny to me because i'd rather believe J and Ben about Harry Potter lore than the actual author

IDK I think that it's likely he had a horcrux, or intended to, but I'm not convinced it was the wand, nor am I convinced Rita's version of events were true. Fairly certain the half split for each horcrux means the original like the diary were much more likely to overpower the holder than later ones, and the part of his soul in harry was much more diluted than the others, if somehow harry had been first or second it would have had a much more drastic impact on his personality

Can you do a video on how Harry or even Hermione didn't know Snape was the Half Blood Prince by simply looking at the handwriting!

Did Harry lose the ability to speak parseltongue when the piece of him that was voldemort died??

@SuperCarlinBrothers THE SUBTITLES ARE OFF THEY ARE FROM THE QUIZ VIDEO

Ngl it's been a while since I've actually agreed with one of y'all's Harry Potter theory videos, but I'm 100% on board with this one!

Have yall made a video on what would've happened had the diary Tom succeeded?

I think you have it wrong. Harry WAS affected by the locket. However, I think that's more to do with that particular piece of Voldemort's soul. Note how the diary, the only other one a main character had for an extended period, DIDN'T affect people in the same way. Ginny was mind controlled. Harry showed no effect at all, other than being able to converse with Riddle. Ron, who was most affected by the locket, is Harry's best friend. I think each Horcrux is a specific part of Voldemort's soul. The locket is probably representative of his negative emotions.

“Why give him a pet just to kill” I’m guessing because some people thought Grindlewald was too nice in the first FB film, and needed to establish him as more evil somehow

Dear SCB Editors, Could you please consider when you add B&W text (Example between 3:02 and 3:03 "more like fell OFF ruins ;)") to please put it put for longer? I have language processing delays and when it's SO short my brain can't read it before it goes away. It's so short, it takes several tries to freeze RU-vid on that frame. And I'm a native English speaker, I imagine this is harder when English isn't your first language. I like the commentary on J's commentary, keep it coming and you're doing great editing! Truly, I love these videos and look forward to them, relaxing after work.

Just poppin' in to let you guys know that the subtitles seem to be the ones for the Ludo Bagman quiz video! Very confusing 😅

Jo, the subtitles are the one from the Ludo Bagman quiz.