This is why I love the mission statement of people like Barrett! If the civilians aren’t allowed to own their products then they will not sell to law enforcement!
The only problem with that is departments can still procure them through private sale. It's a nice feel good thing for Barrett but I don't think it logically stops anything
@@Irishcream216 Yes, but Barrett has taken it at least one step further. They will not do factory service on there firearms. They returned an M82A1 unrepaired to LAPD in 2002.
I was called a “conspiracy theorist” for even suggesting ammo companies were doing this. Federal’s largest customer is probably the US government… that puts the government in a position to direct Federal.
Don't Eric, Chad and multiple other RU-vidrs have contacts with Federal? They get sent free ammo every month, why didn't they ask their rep before pontificating?
There is NO reason any ammo should be “Law Enforcement Only” marked or any type of ammo banned from civilian use. I also don’t think that “police discount” gun deals like Glock blue label ones. I respect police but they shouldn’t get preferential treatment or special deals.
Be creative start building your own and start reloading problem solved no serial numbers no one knows what you have unless you tell them but you better not keep that close to your heart!!
I don't know about the obvious answer, but I do know an obvious question aren't Eric and Chad and also Tim (MAC Channel), Hickock 45, 22plinkster and others sent ammo by Federal? Maybe they could ask their contact at Federal before they pontificate online? If they have asked, they might even say what the answer was. Might asking valid questions cost them their free ammo if the questions were too difficult to answer?
One thing I noticed is the quality and consistency of ammo went way down this year. I picked up a few boxes of hornady whitetail last year that shot a hair below 1moa at 100 yds out of my rifle, bought some whitetail this year for the same rifle and the best group I got in my rifle with this years batch was 3". I had some left over ammo from last year and tried it in my rifle to make sure it wasn't my rifle, scope or me and last years batch again was slightly below 1" at 100 yds. The quality control and consistency has taken a nose dive this year.
@@ksharpe10 I had a feeling it would as well, especially when i heard about their current production schedule. After the group I shot from this years ammo I started reloading, cheaper and my ammo is more accurate
@@philyamascunt7518 surprisingly in my area were starting to see a good amount of powders and primers....but if we want brass or leads we have to get them online because none of the stores have any
Try being up here in Canukistan, they’ve found basically every back door restriction to limit supply, availability and drive up prices. There are many other ways to restrict firearm owners but once they run out of those they just start outright banning guns.
@@redrock425 I always use the UK as an example of where we’re headed, I think it’s only a matter of time until we catch up or surpass the restrictions over there.
@@thespeedyviking9682 Your right, every generation of politicians has to be more restrictive to show they are doing something. There is no political gain by making gun laws more relaxed. I've seen nothing but restrictions in the last 40 years. Ironically the current legal firearms are more "dangerous" than those they banned!
@@redrock425 Yup, it's not about guns or criminals. It's a political game. That's what a lot of people don't understand about the fight for firearms rights in the United States, every restriction leads to another restriction so you have to fight every single one that they try to impose. That and they're the last hold out for actual firearm rights, if they fold then our countries are all going full ban.
@@thespeedyviking9682 Exactly that, and of course once they've had success with firearms they'll have to move on to something else. I'm amazed alcohol hasn't been hit yet, they love to prevent harm or even potential harm! Cough *Minority Report*...
As a citizen of the country with the highest taxes in the world, I second that. (My country I also rated highest in overall living standards, I'm sorry for putting that in there 😔)
Not SGAMMO. Before Covid-19 I got two 500 round cases Winchester Ranger T +P 147 grain 9mm for 54 cents a round. Have only used 2 boxes. Nickel plated cases, sealed primer and case mouth.
I am a retired LEO> We never purchased from gun dealers. We always went directly to the manufacture or a selected distributor that deal directly with LEO department.
One could argue it is a 2nd amendment right violation as well. "In order to have a well regulated militia" that line means civilians to have access to the same equipment and training that the military have, and I would extend that to law enforcement. This was a foresight so that the civilians wouldn't be out gunned by government. Yet here we are today, uneven rules, uneven armament.
That's not what that line means. "Well regulated" means trained and functional. It has nothing to do with access. It just says a trained Militia is necessary to maintain a free state and you can't disarm the people because they are the militia. There's no implication that untrained civilians should be as heavily armed as a soldier since at the time it was written civilians were supposed to be the trained soldiers.
@@331Grabber your comment is full of contradictions and logical errors. If at the time it was written civilians were suppose to be the trained soldiers, then they would need to be armed just as heavily as a soldier, BECAUSE THEY WERE THE SOLDIERS! Further the founders and writers of the constitution make it PERFECTLY clear in, later letters to each other, and the federalist papers that they wholehearted believed civilians should have access to any and all weaponry that the government soldiers had access to, including small arms, cannons, and war ships.(there is physical documentation of this) if the founders meant for civilians to have warships, I believe almost any weapon you could name would be A-OK with them.
@@justanotherinternetexpert7743 Not true at all. And there is nothing contradictory in my statement. The 2A is simple. It says in order to remain free we need a trained militia and that because we need that militia you can't disarm the people. Every able bodied male over 17 was supposed to join their state militia, which is why the 2A says you can't infringe on the people's right to keep and bear arms. It's written that way to ensure the existence of a means to defend ourselves by protecting the state militias.
To Chad's point about a potential difference in the quality of ammo available to civilians, that is especially true for Military standardized ammo. I believe it's by law that military-contracted ammo (think M855 or Mk 262) can only be sold to civilians if the batch was pulled because it didn't meet the QC standard by the military. So basically we're getting factory seconds, even if it's still much better ammo than the other stuff available for the price
From an article in 80-lower: "Curious what all the "M"s and "X"s means? Simple: The "M" in M193 and M855 stands for "military". This denotes the ammunition is produced to military specifications. When you're shopping around for ammo, you may or may not see 5.56 NATO listed as M855 or M193, even if it's Federal American Eagle. It might say XM855 and XM193. XM855 and XM193 are not special versions of military ammo. They're not "second-rate" versions of military 5.56 NATO, either. They're simply rounds of ammunition that have been set aside for civilian use, instead of being shipped off to the armed forces. That's it. We even called Federal Premium to confirm this. Federal says that some "M" munitions are placed on the civilian ("XM") manufacturing line for insignificant reasons: They produced too much "M" ammo and need to sell through it, the paint on a green-tip is too thick or thin, there is extra sealant around the primer, or some other reason that in no way hurts the performance of the ammo in question. Whether you buy XM or M, rest assured that your 5.56 ammo will perform to the same standards." That makes more sense to me. It's a separate line with some "2nds" thrown in that, and not just rejected rounds. That would be MILLIONS of rejected rounds.
@@DopamineSink I should've been more clear that I didn't mean to imply all the ammo are rejects. All it takes is the tiniest found "flaw" on a single round in a batch of thousands for that entire batch to be diverted to civilian sales, which like the article said can even include the thickness of the green tip paint. But what I'm far more interested in is the potential difference in quality of the Mk 262 Mod 1 ammo the military gets vs the overpriced variant of it we're able to get our civilian hands on. Since it's more of a specialty loading there's very rarely overruns on it and most clones of it aren't even to proper spec. I don't think Black Hills even sells it to civilians anymore, and the QC from IMI is all over the place.
Well its worth noting that not meeting QC doesn't nessisarily mean its worse ammo you figure they test only a 100 or so rounds of ammo from a 10,000 round batch and if more than a certain amount don't meet certain requirements the whole batch is rejected so more often than not the ammo you buy is generally up to milirary standard.
It’s both sad and funny that the Biden Administration let the Taliban get all that USMilitary weapons and hardware yet they are going to take away law abiding gun owners in the US firearms. And MSM doesn’t say a word.
This why the right to bear arms should obligatorily condition all adjacent rights relative to it, such as the rights to bear, make, exchange accessories, tools and ammunition. Can't be dependent from non-State agents, never.
typically if youre making guns youre probably already past the point of following stupid laws unless we're talking modifications liking chopping down the barrel
There isn't any 50 round boxes of defensive ammo available in my area. I have always felt that this was a way to jack up the price of this ammo and for no other reason. We are getting ripped off every time we purchase defensive ammo. If the ammo makers want to offer a discount for LE, that's fine but make it available for everyone.
I stopped buying Federal products for a long time because of this, they're the main offender...Sig has no issue selling 50 round boxes to everyone...the only reason I gave in is because nothing beats the HST in performance and I want the best to protect my family with
Definatly agree wanting 50 round boxes.. Wtf are they thinking with 20 round box.. Exactly , throughly test your gun. Practice, get the know your gun. But, to a new person or a person who is really simple or a broke person. They do not think like this. They think that it goes bang, or if they need protection they can just pull it out. They don't practice or of they do, hardly at all. The have maybe 1 box of ammo for their pistol. Even if you try to talk to them. There little brains just can't understand the importance of practice with the firearm.
32:45 Chad is right and it's important to at least group your def rounds and know they're on target. Guaranteed that fmj is not going to pattern the same.
Exactly, they are so wrong. They think agencies just have all this Ammo which is absolutely wrong. Most agencies don’t even supply Ammo to their officers or their duty pistol
@@2AlphaCrew I'm wrong yet I work at one of the top 5 agencies in the country and we are supplied nothing, I think our funding of 700 million a year would qualify
@@2AlphaCrew plus I never said that there are no agencies that supply Ammo, I said most do not. Read my comment correctly before you respond ignorantly
@@doubletap10mm sure bud… I bet. Our dinky little flathead sheriffs department must be rolling in the dough. 🙄 I train with multiple KPD and FSD. They have their ammo supplied. 🤷🏼
It is a clear indication of an us vs them attitude emanating from law enforcement towards citizens.....I have seen it many times. This has always been an issue.
Back in maybe 08 I was visiting my grandparents place in small town Montana and saw a newspaper article where a sheriff’s deputy got busted for taking the ancient ammo from the department and selling it to the lawn shops around. Took months before anyone noticed it went missing.
I had a very hard time early last year buying a new production 870 Police Magnum. All my local gun shops said they couldn’t order it for me because it was LE Only. I finally found someone who recently got their FFL and was able to get me one from a distributor. I will probably never sell that thing
Calm down. I used to have this problem. First thing you have to do is go buy ammo cans. Empty all your boxes into a can. This should work unless you have extreme ocd. If you have 30 round mags you can make sure to load 2 mags at a time (3 full boxes). If that doesn't work old. Load it into mags and shoot it all until it's all gone. Then you don't have partial boxes laying around. If these don't work I'll give you my address so you can send it all to me. You know so you don't have to look at it
What Eric said rung a bell with me. I got pulled over by apd a few years back. I didn't have my sidearm in the car but the extra mag was in the armrest. They searched the car heavily, but I told them that "my gun is at home, I live down the street". So after they confirmed I was legit, I told the cop "I usually don't ride with my gun in the car" he told me " you live in atlanta right?, You need to keep it with you at all times". I was floored, even an apd officer knew that citizens need to be armed when they can't be there.....good Convo, you guys rock bruh.
What really drives me crazy is most rifle ammo comes in 20 round boxes. Why not boxes of 30? A standard magazine is 30 rounds, so make it one box of ammo for one mag. With 20 round boxes i either have to open 3 boxes and load 2 mags, open 2 boxes and have 10 loose rounds, or open one box and down load my mag to 20 rounds. It's really annoying.
I live in a state with some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. Almost every law has exemptions and carve outs so they don't apply to Law Enforcement Officers. Safe roster of handguns - exempted, ordering ammunition online - exempted, background checks for ammo purchases - exempted.
talking to friends that work in gun stores during this whole time of corona panic I have been told there is is pallets of ammo but the local shop has been choosing to only put a little out at a time and charge 80 cents per round for 5.56 and 55 cents per round of 9mm, meanwhile they had been selling 1000+ round groups of ammo on gun broker, makes me sad to know that the shortage has not been entirely a result of low supply but also a result of shops choosing to capitalize on panic buying
The "law enforcement only" 50 round boxes, has bothered me for a long time, i try not to buy from places that wont sell me the 50 round boxes.....those 50 round boxes are for CIVILIAN PLUS individuals, not us regular civilians.
Hey guys! Great Topic! Haven’t written you guys in awhile, hope you’re doing well!You are perfectly correct with what these companies ( Ammo) are doing! It’s almost like they’re getting jealous if they’re not getting the attention and full price for there product!And we all know Gun Control means using both hands! HA! I like what Chad said too: the neck of the cartridge not being sealed! I’m glad you guys are calling out these people on this subject! I wonder what there answers are gonna be! Keep up the good work guys!
They said they’d be back to normal production by now I’ve read all kinds of articles stating how they expanding production so everything can get back to normal prices are still 2-3 times higher for target ammo the best thing we can all do is not buy it
Exactly!! I was at a gun shop this past weekend and they had a good supply of ammo but they were still about 80-90 cents per round. So, no thanks. Even .22 LR was about 20 cents/round. Im not supporting that BS
The Sheriff’s office I retired from after 31 years did a horrible job through multiple administrations, they did not allow us to use their range (we shared with a county police department) for practice, and they didn’t provide us with practice ammo. Then they bitched about people not being able to qualify. 10% were marksmen, 70% were average and 20% struggled to qualify on average. It was always my gripe that we didn’t have an open range with provided ammo for practicing. Luckily I was always a mid 90s shooter without practicing. Your ammo comments are spot on.
This one was a doozy. Thanks for talking about this, it grinds my gears too. Also I wish any company that doesn't like to sell to civilians would let us know.
Here in Massachusetts lots of shops have a separate case with glocks and 30 round ar mags for law enforcement only. Gun stores are not allowed to sell new glocks to civilians but LE can buy them for personal use or duty.
I thought most PDs would have policies against carrying personally owned firearms or ammunition in a squad car or on duty anyway, lest they get into a defensive shooting and cause some legal curfuffle for the department. Which makes the case for having to show credentials on purchase even weaker.
@@shoominati23 yea I’m not sure what their policies on carrying a personal firearm are around here but I have seen it before. It’s just kinda annoying how I can’t walk in and buy a glock 19 because it has been deemed “unsafe” by the state yet most of the local pd’s issue the same “unsafe” handgun to everyone in their department. It’s all arbitrary an extremely annoying. They are no more safe or unsafe than any other handgun I own. also if I were to be caught with any magazine over 10 rounds that isn’t made before 1994 it’s a pretty big offense. a few more months in this crap-tacular state and I’m out.
I'm a member at a gun range with a large law enforcement presence. They sell ammo to shooters right at the front desk but lately they're always sold out, for obvious reasons. Me and a buddy of mine were there the other day and they have these huge shipping containers back by the pistol range and we noticed one of them wasn't padlocked and the door was slightly open. We peeked inside... floor to ceiling ammo, probably all for LE sale.
I feel that you are conflating store policies with the ammo manufacturers own policies. I worked at a gun shop in IL. Our policy was that the hollow points were only for those who were picking up a gun or for LE. The LE part was more of a middle finger to the rule than anything else. The actual policy was gun pick-ups only and they could only get 1 box in that specific caliber. Each store will sell it their way. It's a balance that the store handles their own way to have stock for later and also provide it to those who need it. Everyone handles it differently.
Maybe living in a small area but being in law enforcement I've had to purchase my own ammo to qualify more than once. One department they thought they were doing you a favor by giving you 50 rounds to shoot once every few months. Not that either will stop me from shooting every week. But I will say last year we couldn't find ammo to qualify with and had to shuck out our good rounds and load up with fmj to qualify.
I suspect they want to sell as much as they can. Any shortages are not helped by people buying by the pallet! Law enforcement use a lot more ammunition and buy in larger quantities. Usually sales to people "in the trade" are cheaper. Carpenters buy nails cheaper than I do from the DIY store 😉
I don't know where you get your "Department Ammo" info from. I've worked for 2 large Departments Texas in my 30 years experience. Neither Department furnished pistols or Duty ammo. The only ammo furnished was qualification ammo. They did have requirements for type and caliber of pistol and type of ammo. It was our responsibility to furnish pistol and duty ammo.
Part of it is because there is an 11% excise tax on ammo. Ammo meant for LE is exempt. In order to keep track of which ammo is exempt they just make a different SKU.
My local sheriff's department just tried to ordered ammunition for the next fiscal year knowing the current situation. They were told their ammo order is 1 year out. They are now looking to other agencies to sell them some ammunition to get through until next year. Ibhope thing change soon.. Thanks for the video.
Well with HST, Federal for whatever reason has threatened to stop selling to vendors that sell the LE marked 50rnd boxes to normal civilians without arrest authority. So that’s probably why the HST is sitting there in some stores. Luckily some vendors ignore Federal ammunition’s directive there and as it’s not illegal to do so, sell to anyone with cash in hand. Why Federal is taking that stance is a good question and one everyone ought to be pressuring them to answer. They either IMO need to knock it off, or come out with their reasoning, and let the market respond accordingly.
Had Buds Guns tell me I couldn’t buy rounds that were very well stocked and cheaper because the were program boxes, LE only. They asked if I was LE and I had to admit I was not. Oddly enough I served my years in LE and the military yet that’s not good enough. My POST cert came from Forsyth, GA. I’m with y’all on this topic!
@@donovanchilton5817 yep. That was the first time I’ve ever seen ammo set out behind the sales counter and beside all the other ammo and told it was only for active LE.
The government is trying to take control over everything and I personally believe a lot of the well known firearm and ammo manufacturers are catering to the government and in doing so are becoming part of the problem especially when it comes to being pro 2A. It is obvious that our government wants to disarm the public and are using all methods possible to do so, if they have a hard time taking the firearms the next best thing is to make it harder to get ammo. It doesn't matter how many or what kind of firearms you have, if you can't get ammo for them its a win for the government.
The feds signed the largest ammunition contracts in history a couple of years ago. Where is all this ammo stored and someone smarter than me should investigate. Is it for NATO countries or private armies or who actually owns these companies and who sits on the boards of these companies. Cops hate guns on the streets. Law abiding citizens and criminals alike. They hate firearms in civilian hands. I know some good cops and can even get ammunition from some. You probably have to have something of value to them other than cash. I’ll let you use your imagination to wonder what that could be. Restaurant reservations are valuable so are concert or sporting event tickets. Really anything that makes them look connected and can impress their women. That is incredibly valuable to a cop.
The whole DC firearms purchase procedure was in a series of articles, “Emily Gets Her Gun.” The one FFL worked out of a police station. To get a handgun you had to go to an FFL dealer outside of DC and purchase it and have it shipped to the DC FFL. There weren’t any FFL dealers in DC, and the one FFL did transfers only. I don’t know if it is still that way in DC or not.
Like there is a choice right now? Ammo is so hard to find right now, and nothing else is produced until the insatiable appetite for 9mm and 223 Rem is satisfied.
Honestly, when I was stationed in Maryland years ago, I had absolutely no problem buying 50 round boxes of HST at the local gun stores. In fact, a friend of mine bought a box of 9 mm copper jacket and hollow points when he bought his 9 mm and got a 50 round box as well. When I worked at gander mountain, we had 50 round boxes of full metal jacket, and occasionally we'd have 50 round boxes of copper jacket and hollow point through various different manufacturers. More often than not, the carry rounds that we sold we're in boxes of 20 to 25
These guys definitely hit it on the head! That's why I love watching their videos. We need more people to stand up and confront issues like this! I definitely believe in a balance of power, because the world is one way today doesn't mean it'll be that way tomorrow!
I do know for sure that in some of the smaller (especially rural) departments, the officers do have to buy their own ammo for all practice and training. Some even buy their own ammo for duty carry, especially the depths where officers also furnish their own firearms .... but they are limited to certain types of ammo they can buy and carry. These departments don't even have an "armory" that stocks ammo.
My dad works for the state as Trooper, his duty firearms are a Sig P320 legion, Daniel Defense DDM4V7, and a Mossberg 590A1. His Daniel Defense has the military/law enforcement only stamped on the receiver however there is nothing different about it from mine. As for ammo, since he works for the state and usually there are only 2 troopers to some of the counties around this area, they are reimbursed by the state for ammo purchases. Occasionally when a higher up comes by they will usually bring them a hundred rounds or so of 9mm and .223. He definitely doesn't outgun anyone I know, but he also doesn't get all the fun toys that SWAT gets either.
Don’t get me wrong. I totally respect them and I respect the job that they do. I know many of them here in Colorado Springs and they are some of the most amazing people that I have ever met. But they shouldn’t have more rights than we do.
Hahahahahaha, I wish I worked at a department that issued ammo like that. I work for University with about 50k people on campus everyday. the department only issues the initial duty loadouts and re-issues during gun qualification.
Just another reason that cops need to be hammered on the fact that THEY ARE CIVILIANS, NOT MILITARY. despite all the overstock military equipment they get, THEY AINT FREAKIN' SEAL TEAM SIX. That high horse needs to come down a few notches... Bottom line, if it's limited to LE, don't sell it in gun stores, limit it to bulk department sales!
I'm a retired LEO of 32 years for a major SW police dept. I'm pro 2nd amendment and don't want to argue with you regarding LEO's having unlimited access to dept. ammo. When I first hired on, we qualified twice a year, but toward the end of my career we switched to qualifying once a year (insert reason here), I'm not privy to that ($$$). In all that time, we shot up our 50 rounds for qualifications and were issued another 50 rounds until the next qualification. All other ammo we had to go buy ourselves. BTW... enjoy your channel.
A friend of mine was a Sgt in a state agency and he flat out told me, for his agency, the so called LE rounds they use, the only difference was the 45 version was +P and the 9mm version was +P+. The ammo company didn't want the liability of selling that to civilians. When ever his stocks reached their "shelf life" it was up for grabs by the officers to take and burn off. 75% or more of his officers were not regular shooters. So he would haul off as much as he wanted, which was typically every other year some of the stocks reached EOL. I would get a gift of some of this ammo on occasion and I never noticed much of a difference in performance other than wear and tear on the weapons if they were not built and maintained to handle such.
I just noticed last night that Primary Arms has a "law enforcement only" 1-5x LPVO... it looks pretty meh but its odd that an OPTIC would be regulated like that.
I had issues with the HST 147gr feeding in my Glock34-Gen5. Which is exactly why you MUST test your carry info. I love the HST and it broke my heart not to use that 147gr suppressed. Still, if it don't work then it don't work. The 147's feed fine in my Glock 19 Gen5's though.
As someone who served as a police officer, I can tell you that I have NEVER purchased "special", hollow point etc ammunition on my own-- the only ammo I purchased was cheap regular ammo to go to the range and practice with. There is NO REASON to purchase duty ammo-- that's all provided. Also, all issued ammo is very closely monitored. You can't just walk into "procurement" and get ammo-- they will ask what happened to your issued duty ammo? If you fired it, they will want to know why/where etc. And no, they will not give you any "regular" ammo to practice with, you gotta buy your own.
Also, one thing I did notice, is that the critical duty rounds are a higher grain weight and in some cases are plus p rounds while the critical defense is a lower grain weight and is not a plus p round.
Can anyone name a mass manufacturing company that hasn't sold out to the state. "You looked straight Into the bleeding Jaws of Capitalism and said yes daddy please" - Ricardo Sanchez
@@danklordsupreme8864 Dude, it's a quote from Rick and Morty. My comment was more of a critique about companies bending over to prove how woke they, or how much they support our "democratic" institutions/security apparatus because that's the POV the people in power are exploiting at the moment. TLDR, they'll say or do anything to sell more shit, big surprise right?
That is one of the reasons I love Kel-Tek. Regardless of what you think of them off the production line, once you have your gun running like a top you can arguably outgun any Le or at least non US military organization.
Firearms/ammo production needs to be deregulated. These companies suck dog crap off the boot of LEOS/Military, and LEO/Military have reached epic levels of arrogance towards civilians.
I'm more concerned about gun manufacturers streamlining all of their hand guns into non-civilian calibers and then ammo producers getting government contracts in the future to drive up the price of ammo.
@@macriggland6526 Ok, That in no way supports your point or contradicts mine. Since the most commonly used calibers by the military as also the most popular civilian calibres then that streamlining would decrease the price of most handgun ammo. Ammo manufacturers already make ammo for the government. DId you think the government has its own special factories? No part of your argument makes sense.
@@SurmaSampo Exactly. Ammo manufacturers make ammo for the government. So, the government has the power to influence the price of ammo. Do you think government agencies are always looking for the lowest prices? I can point to some pretty glaring examples of that not being the case. If you have a robust civilian-only caliber market niche, the governments have no ability to directly influence the price of those calibers.
A vast majority of those living in the major cities forgot/ignore the definition of "criminals." "Criminals don't follow laws" is a pill they can't seem to swallow and if they do, they cannot digest. It's sad.
O’how I miss pre plandimic Ammo prices. Last I got at the begging of the plan d was 1k 124g S&B for like $219 $.219 per round rd. I wish glad I stocked up though lol
I bought 200 rounds of 124gr hst and 200 rounds of that Winchester ranger t 147gr all for $25 per 50 rounds right before covid I also ordered 2 cases of 124gr brass 9mm for 20cpr in the beginning of covid
It's not about how far away they are. It's not about what you need. It's not about reasons. It's about human rights. If they're scared of being outgunned, then not only are they in the wrong job but they also cannot be trusted in the slightest.
I can tell you in Houston the HPD are forced to get their own ammo to train and are limited to duty ammo. Turner has cut budget so bad that it’s eliminated ammo supply for HPD officers.
At this point in time...nothing is off the table. I too wondered if both the firearm and ammo manufacturers have climbed into bed with the Liptards. Been waiting on Savage Chassis rifle for just shy 10 months...my gunstore and they rock, can not lay hold of one for me...sure feels like gun control to me...same on powders and primers...not to mention bullets.
