GW Teases Bigger Plans for The Old World | Warhammer The Old World 

It’s baffling to me how the old world popularity caught GW off guard. The majority of new players probably come from Total War and only peripherally heard about AoS.

I would love to see Araby. Ind and Nippon would also be cool.

So GW didnt predict what ppl want? First time?

"With the dwarfs hot in their heels". Only time Dwarf are hot on the heels of anyone. 😂

Mordheim would be great to see again

I hope we get Dark Elves beyond Legacy PDFs. One day...

I think the "overlap" concern is a fallacy that falls apart as soon as you look at the two games for more than a glance. If AoS and Old World had any significant overlap, we'd have never ended up where we are.

The issue seems to be disagreements between GW and Forgeworld , that's what is holding Old-world from being fantasmical.

Skaven are what got me into fantasy in the first place so it’s a shame that we won’t have them in the old world. I hope that’s not true but I also hope that age of Sigmar models some of these can be used in both old world and Age of Sigmar especially rank-and-file troops. and maybe age of. Sigmar is just killteam fantasy and old world is small apocalypse

I gotta correct you on a point Tom, yes it’s not a mainline game it is however an official specialist game. And it could be the case in the future they stock it in their specialist section. Also staff aren’t not allowed to teach you how to play, it’s just theirs no starter set for them to demo with so they don’t actually have anything to teach you with yet.

One thing I’d do for the old world is make it to where it is set after the events of storm of chaos where the forces of order managed to stop the end times and reveal that the timeline from AOS can occasionally have portals to the SOC timeline open up to leave room for certain things from AOS showing up from time to time

I feel like starting small with the option to expand, rather than over-promising and under-delivering, is a smart play. Themed 'seasons' that cover particular historical events are a great way of bringing legacy factions in. After the current armies are released, culminating in 'the Great War against Chaos', the Skaven could be brought in with a release/season/campaign focused on the second Great Council of 13 consolidating their power and once more turning their attention to the world above rather than the costly internecine warfare they'd waged amongst themselves for the preceding two centuries. Lizardmen could be brought in with Daemons during the week the sun turned jet black in 2321, where daemons manifested throughout all of Lustria, or along with the Dark Elves for an event about the Druchii raid on the Citadel of Dusk. That sort of thing. Means they don't have to do everything all at once, they can take their time to get things right as they come out. "There is only one way to eat an elephant: one bite at a time"

if warhammer fantasy got the same support as age of sigmar has since it launched, then it never would have failed in the first place

It would be nice if they released a starter box, with two small armies, not saying it needs to be load of minis, but that would really help new players I think, just having a small launch pad thats not too exspensive while still bringing 2 player action

This is the kind of video i was looking for. Most videos are for original fans and for ppl who have played before. This video helps newcomers like me

If Mordheim comes back I'm in.

As long as they don't keep changing the lore to make it more "Modern" it will be fine.

Drop skaven from AoS too and give them back to us

I want Skaven, Dark Elves, Vampire Count, and Ogre Kingdom. For skirmish battles I want Mordheim. The 6th edition had skirmish games. Like a lot in Bretonnia, White Dwarve, GW website.

Would like to see a full release of the Dark Elves Army! 😃🎉

6:00-6:20 It’s funny because they did that when they launched a lord of the rings tabletop game and it hurt fantasy’s sales

I think we might see some of the legacy factions come to TOW when the core units that overlap with AOS finish getting updated (e.g. ogre gluttons + leadbelchers, skinks etc). I think Ogre Kingdoms and Lizardmen are most likely. Chaos Dwarfs are probably out of the question since they're basically confirmed for AoS. Think dark elves are unlikely since AOS is geared to bring back Malekith, my guess in 2026 or 27. Honestly, I think we're more likely to see Kislev and Cathay get models+rules than VC and Skaven (yes, even with the 'no Cathay and Kislev for now' WarCom post). One of the rumours I've seen around for 4e AOS is that one of the model design team's goals is to replace the main models that overlap with WFB with new updated AOS sculpts. The happy consequence of this is some of those legacy factions might be able to make their way back into TOW. That's all a rumour, though. Who knows what's actually going on in Nottingham.

I cannot imagine GW not bringing Chaos Daemons into The Old World. Daemons were present at the Siege of Praag.

I think i'll wait for Cathay to finally arrive before going back to the old world. I honestly grew up more with AoS than I did with fantasy, but this army in particular...when its here, i'll collect the hell out of it !

Well - if they want to reintroduce some factions, all they need to do is to release a DLC called "The New World" - with Dark Elves of Naggaroth, Lustria's Lizardmen, Sartosa Vampires (vampire counts) and Pestilens Skaven (Lustria). And since Lustria and Naggaroth are so far away, they don't have to stick with TOW timeline, they can introduce new narrative in different times.

I'm definitely still holding out hope for Cathay. I want my Terracotta Sentinels and Sky Lanterns!

i would be glad to see some fixes to the legacy pdfs. some base sizes need to be updated, some unit options are missing...

Where can I read this article ? I am a lore enthousiast and have played warhammer fantasy tabletop rpg for a long time, and I am looking to try to get into Old World as a game, at least try and see if it has the same flaws as 40k for a casual player : accessibility. So I am really looking forward to Old World, I love the setting and I hope the rules are fun. I would really like the sources please, thank you and have a good day

Money will speak, if the TOW is successful games workshop will develop the game to a higher level

It's a missed opportunity, cross promotion is a good thing. If they where smart you could buy a basic box of unit x and depending on what game / setting you wanted to use them for you could buy a sprue kit for them. So they have the regalia, weapon options and look and feel that fit the setting.

Solid reasoning. One point that was missed is the rumour that GW also transitioned from the Old World as it was too difficult for them to establish IP over the factions. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but if it is it could be prove a challenge to them investing in the Old World completely. This is especially the case when 3D printing makes generic dwarves, elves and so on much more accessible and able to be produced more quickly at a fraction of the cost.

Besides Cathay and kislev, I hope we will get factions like estalia, tilea, ind, khuresh or Nippon

I think GW was underestimating how much the bad management and real lack of exploring stuff to general people was a contributor in Fantasy not being that popular. The rules def are more complex than AoS's, but I think the amount of people turned off by that are a lot smaller than they realized. I joined the hobby a few year in Total Warhammer 2, and i certainly love my Sylvanneth and Seraphon armies i've built, I don't dislike AoS, I just think they seem to treat it as competition for Fantasy in ways that are kind of silly. Beyond one setting using some of the lore ideas of the other (while changing most character into wholly different people lol) it's a different setting and a different wargame experience.

I don't think the lag of some Faction in the game for now has anything to do with these Factions being prominently featured in AOS. If this was the case, it would be executed way more consequent than it is now. Besides Beastmen and some Chaos units almost the whole range of Gloomspite Gitz is playable as nightgoblins in TOW. This seems to be forgotten most of the time this non overlapping AOS/TOW discussion comes up since nightgoblins are not a major faction in The Old World. I know that we can expect some older nightgoblins plastic kits to come back but this will not include things like the Arachnarok Spider, Spidercavalry and Sqiugrelated stuff. All of these are included in the ravening hordes book. Same goes for Savage Orc's/Orruks wich are also includes as upgrades for some basic Orc Units. You simply will have to buy AOS models if you want to include them in TOW. There is actually no sign that this will change in the future. So there we have "overlapping" wich seems to be permanent for an official supported TOW and AOS faction/s. Even some Ogre Kingdoms Units are included in the Orc's and Goblins Arcane Journal as mercanaries. And this will just be released by the end of the week. ;-) My guess is that the supported faction at the start of TOW are only there for a more precise massurement of sales for the start of the release to have a clue for future releases roadmap. This makes especially sense when you take a look at the starting factions which never had an official appearence in AOS. So my hopes are, that when everythings goes the way it goes now we will get more well known and beloved factions back. There are actually no economical reasons for not doing so if sales are going well. There will be exclusive Factions for both games anyways. I'm curiose what your thoughts about this are. Sorry for my sloppy englisch. I'm just a german dude loving warhammer. ;-)

Skirmish in Warhammer Fantasy? Mordheim!

Until they bring back the rats, I mean officially bring them back not just a legacy pdf, I wont commit to old world.

come on daemons! i need one more mode i can bring my collection to!

Legacy armies are all the interesting ones.

If they release Skaven they will easily extract $500+ from me. I want them to give me a reason to play the old world

Get through the 9 main factions. Keep the hype up, keep the sales up and they’ll update the rest of the legacy factions then if it carries on well we’ll get cathay and Kislev and maybe more. It’s all about hype and sales. May take a couple years but if it carries on being a success we will get it

Well what ever the details of the discussion in the comments. I just want more OW stuff. :)

Future plans .. printing more copies of the rules?

Well they did kind of tease Grand Cathay as well with that small model of a jade lion they released recently. But i rather see a Nippon army.

"There's a bit of a sour note in the community" I see that you've encountered a fandom before. ETA, 40K is concentrating on the human factions too much, I'd rather not see Fantasy go down the same route.

GW always seem to shoot themselves in the foot with Warhammer Fantasy/Old World. Like their (awful) store should really list all the models used in 8th edition, and are still around in AoS in the Old World section. Best examples are Daemons and Beastmen whose entire ranges are from 8th edition, and having the Dark Elf, Empire, Dwarves and Skaven listed will help newer player to find them. I see a number of people asking the online groups I'm apart of if "x model is able to go on a square base" and it's a old 8th edition model.

after what happened to warhammer 3 i have pretty much made the whole thing a wait and see what happens going forward

Very few Total War-players go into table top gaming. It is HUGE step with the hobby and all. Loads of people moan about this but it is simply not a huge thing.

I hope they bring back Mordheim...

Im still angry about cocid. I was told by a designer they where planning on bringing dark future back but covid meant they had to scrap it and it was never taken back up.

Focus is on the years leading up to Kul’s invasion. Therefore it can’t be a potpourri of every faction. I believe they were quite clear on this…?

I miss Warhammer Age of Reckoning.

The “you need 2k points to play” is a proof GW didn’t understand the idea of promoting the game at different point levels and community pushed for moar minis on the table as opposed to actually having fun at the table. Want to play? Get 750pts of models - essentially a Spearhead equivalent. No unit can be larger than 1.5x their starting size (so up to 7 of 5+ cav/infantry, 4 of 3+ monsters, 15 of 10+ infantry and 30 of 20+ infantry) or over 250pts and army needs to follow the usual % restrictions too. If you feel your unit is accidentally unjustifiably hit by those rules, have a chat with your opponent and agree on something reasonable. You can only have one character - he’s the general, can’t be wizard of level 3+ and can’t cost more than 150pts total. Go have fun and paint more minis, it doesn’t need to be competitive but “official” guidance would help.

As far as legacy armies coming back, GW quite literally said their initial founding goal for the game was to delete Skaven and Vampire Counts from the game, and then they chose a time period that would allow for that and then went forward from there. As such there's zero chance of them coming back because GW was very specifically making a point of deleting them wholesale. That was the entire goal.

If only they waited until after Total War came out, they would have been able to keep WFB going.

If GW wants to make a fantasy game accessible, the best things they can do is to make the AoS app more like the 40k one and start support for LOTR again. The best thing they can do for me is resurrect the Nippon faction

Avoiding overlap between factions is stupid. They could literally sell the same kits to different playerbases. It's basically free money, but they can't see it.

Suggesting GW cares that a player may need to buy too many miniatures to play TOW is ridiculous. Their whole gaming model is based on continually releasing new minis, and when that doesn't work, change the rules to make you buy once poor parts of the army that are suddenly good.

lol- the "sold out" products are sold out because: a) they produce them in very little numbers b) OOP models reached absolutely crazy price points on e-buy Thats it!

There's a rumour that Beasts of Chaos are being dropped??

the age of sigma overlap argument doesn't make sense. if that was the reason then why put out wood elves all the forest spirit units are a age of sigma faction and most of the elves are part of cities of sigma same goes for dwarfs tho I think some of that is redundant with the new cites range but then the slayers are also their own factions and I think some things like the gyrocopter's kinda cross over to the over lords then why make an exception for chaos warriors? and why would cross compatible kits be a bad things they have literally done it with demons since rouge trader days? I think they deliberately limited them selves to nine factions as a trial run in the same way they did for necromunda and to an extent blood bowl if the game didn't sell they could scrap it their with out looking like they had cut their losses and ran and since it has been vary successful so far they can plan for a second release like they did with necromunda and blood bowl. which would include a new core box release with a revised rule book, and they will probably move to more traditional army books which will make the arcane journals obsolete, they could also give us an old school magic expansion with more refined magic schools and spells.

I need some giant quotation about the "success" of odl world, something more than, model sold out on the site, that don't actually tell us anything based on how we have 0 insight on how much was produced.

I was so happy when the Old World finally became a reality and I was all in to start Night Gobbo Army until GW stated that most of the units would be cast using their original molds using resin or even units that were last seen cast in metal.... Then I saw the Orc Big'uns models and my heartsank. Despite GW's expectation that Old world players will purchase Old World units in their original sculpts, a lot of us are already using AoS equivalents since they look so much better. Some of the Orc units that contain Boars have varying degrees of the quality of their sculpts, so if AoS has an equivalent, layers will likely use the most updated versions if they look better from AoS. Some units still hold up incredibly welll, for example, most of the Trroll Sculpts look fantastic, especially River Trolls and the Troll Hag...Night Gobbos are staple of the Gloomspite Gits in all of their Squiggy glory, I was sad that I didn't pick up the Squig Avalanche Army box to save for the Old World Release...my local gaming store even had 1 copy left over and he took it off the shelf and admitted he placed it ouot back and had no plans to sell it off the shelf which I found frustrating. Then there is he issue of which books are needed to play a Night Gobbo army which I find confusing and instantly got the impression that its a lot which means the initial up front buy in will require at least 3-4 books? Maybe? If I could have, Skaven were going to be my first Old World army considering their updating the range and they have some really cool Underworld teams. But GW insists on sticking by their original statement, especially with Skaven saying in legacy mode... Yet I still haeve a love for the old school Dwarven aesthetic with their beards growing all the way down to their feet plus you gota love their Helicopters, Cannons, Organ Cannons, Crossbowmen, Long Beard Vets, Rangers, RunePriests, Engineers, etc.. It seems to be already outdoing 30k which I assumed would happen if they ever brought back Fantasy...

Chaos Dwarfs'

I sayed this to some of my disapointed buddys, stay calm when there is one thing that GW wants more then anything else it is MONEY. And when the old world is bringing the numbers you will get your stuff. So i predict its will happened !

AoS as a setting is FAR inferior to ”Fantasy”. That is the main thing, not the rules.

Bring back Mordheim!

GW uses artificial scarcity as marketing ploy. So any time you hear They won't do this, they won't do that... It's opposite day. Always. There's not one darn line that they don't eventually intend to bring back. They just jerk the chains to see people holler skip and yowl. As here.

Keeping “Core” - it’s not in AoS, someone should be fired There is no cannibalization here - it just will stop players not being to play at tournaments, so increasing the use of 3rd party and 3d in regular games ; ergo, no GW sales Would love to see Mordhiem - but they already have a skirmish game

If they didn’t want overlap they should have made some actual original factions for AOS instead of lazily taking everything from WHFB and just changing it a bit

Im not buying ToW till I see some actual effort in new models, not just old molds that have paid themselves off already over 25 years and being charged 400 dollars for a box.

The notion that c-suite management gives a left handed hj about what the fans and audience actually want is laughable. Designers don’t make decisions.

We need Kislev. For the Tzarina! For Ursun! FOR THE MOTHERLAND!

Still mad they lie about Kislev and Catay factions

I think more people should stop worrying about that's the latest release and stick to play a game they love. Get the minis you like and use them how you want. Why not making a custom mercenary unit in Old World using Warcry models (heresy, i know), why not using Empire models to represent your Cities of Sigmar (oh wow what a leap right) Enjoy AoS2.0? Play that Enjoy 40k 7th ed? Great, play that! Have fun put there guys, keep bitterness at bay by collecting the _models_ that you like, not the game. The game is an excuse for collecting 🤫😉

Being sold out isnt something to say its that popular - so much stuff is sold out on GW site and it is down to the well documented issues they have with supply and demand currently. I played fantasy, i was there when it died and i was there playing sigmar when that started - i have no desire to go back to rank and flank, but im glad that those who do get to play with thier toys.

Rewrite the End Times in a proper story or even a campaign in Total War .

Pretty sure it just leaked old world is dead again.

I'm going to stick to Skaven and I will be buying second hand GW don't support my faction I won't support GW.

I hope there is an update for my baguette wielding knights 🥲

Definitively would be interested in a skirmish game in the WHF setting. Not a fan of the rank and flank style of the old world and also a bit worried about the time commitment of such a game. Basically, I want warcry in the cooler setting :D

In my view the issue with 8th was that they made both 40k and Fantasy bigger in scale and more killy. 40k and AoS havent really changed from that philosophy. Thats why its not a surprise to me that the old world is going down well. Its what a lot of us wanted even during 8th