H4N monitoring+recording straight to DSLR

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PLEASE NOTE: This is a very dated video. I use Canon C100 which already has XLR input.
Radio Shack Cable
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DVcreators line to Mic Cable
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The Forum talking about why Tascom was better because of separated lineout/headphone jack, but not any more~
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*Note: AGC still kicks in when recorded to the camera, so it's not the best audio quality, but still worth having backup, right? and easier way to sync with plugin.
The reason I do this is because I want to sync my audio and video easier while editing by having non-muffled hard-to-see audio level. I use Adobe Premiere Pro, so can't Plural Eyes like Final Cut users. (UPDATED* now Plural Eyes is available for Premiere as well, hoorah~!)
AGC on DSLRs are stills pain in the butt, but better than nothing, right?

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@flywithholyspirit 6 лет назад

I just bought the Zoom H4n Pro and have the Canon 80D and was wondering. Thank you for your video and time. Have a great one. Kevin

@jfs_films 5 лет назад

How did you do it did it work ?

@jjkim274 4 года назад

thanks so much for watching.

@InTheZoneProduction1 10 лет назад

Gail, I used the H4N last weekend for the audio portion of a concert I shot, that Attenuation attachment was awesome only because the audio was starting to peak and the sound guy was way to busy for me to bother. The Attenuation attachment saved me big time! I am looking to get the H6... can't wait.

@InTheZoneProduction1 10 лет назад

Also, why not press record on the H4? You can have a back up handy in case something happens to your audio from the DSLR. You actually might have a better sound coming from the H4... sure you have to sync it up in post, but worth it. Just give a quick "Clap" to simulate a Slate. Oops... I just remembered your video title as using the H4 as a monitor.

@Peacemakerblue 6 лет назад

What cable do I need to link the mic recordings to my cannon eso video recordings ??????

@ashsen8235 10 лет назад

heloo my questionn was i applied the same technique but it was on 4 channel mode so i wanted to record my drum video plus my play along and hear wht i play monitoring through mics and the play along but the result was the play along was in a high gain or something it was sounds really shit more like a buzz i dont know wht to do any or ur suggestions thank you please reply

@JJKim 13 лет назад

@ams914 always have to sync up in post. Zoom is a totally separate device only for audio. When you push record button once, it goes into "standby" mode where you can actually hear the sound. It doesn't record to SD card on H4N, but if you record the camera, the audio will be captured. I hope that make sense.

@8kdigitals 6 лет назад

Does AVC (MINI USB)cable is compitable for 77D for headphone jack?...Plz reply Sir

@pastorigortv9227 7 лет назад

I need some help with the camera and digital recorder settings. I have connected my Tascam tascam dr-05 output to my Nikon D5300 mic input, the problem is that when I start recording with the Tascam dr 05 ouput volume un 30 or more and the DR5300 mic sensibility in 5 or more sound easily get distorted (saturation shows in the yellow end even red lines if character speaks a little lowder), but if I decrease the recorder volume or the camera mic sensibility the final video sound is too low. What setting should I use? Am I missing something else I should configure?

@uccfrancetv 9 лет назад

Can we have the link of where you bought the support system to fix the whole setup please

@BigfootMediaPro 10 лет назад

I've used exactly this set-up. Just beware that the headphones can actually act as a microphone and pickup noise and send it into your system. Performing your own mic test will not reveal this fault as you have both the mic being tested and bleed audio from your hedphones being shown. Best to test your headphones are not bleeding by turning off your mics and talking into your headphones to see if there is any bleed through the headphone jack.

@JJKim 13 лет назад

@AmigoAjeno no. there will be difference in different FPS. u would have to change the speed to match it. that's what people do usually. Also, most of HDSLR cameras still have AGC mode, and the quality of audio won't be as good as ones from H4N, so I would still use H4N audio, but it helps a lot to sync in post.

@vallentinlovstromwadell8950 9 лет назад

Does this Aldo work with the zoom H1?

@Bernzini 11 лет назад

You just posted the tip I was trying to find out. Thanks a lot for sharing.

@ZakarooNetwork 10 лет назад

What settings to set the cameras input levels and what level to set the output volume on the H4n so they work in harmony? Thank You.

@JJKim 13 лет назад

@AmigoAjeno i experienced some drifting, but it can be solved by extending (or shortening) the audio clip by less than 1% difference.

@ibopwebop 11 лет назад

I have the 5D Mark III & the H4 Zoom: if i use the Sescom cable to connec the two then plug a wireless mic into the H4 on one channel and use the general mic of the H4 on the other channel. will have the sound be seperated in the audio tracks of the 5D.

@samirpashayev5946 8 лет назад

Hey, great vid! Zoom is a cool piece of gear with multitracking and xlrs that can be put to good use. But I've heard that zooms are notorious for their preamps and you can hear a pretty solid hissing noise when doing field recording especially in quiet nature settings. A lot of people prefer Olympus LS 11 for that matter, yet LS does not have multitracking option and xlrs. What is your opinion on this? Have you encountered the hissing noise and if so was there any way you went on about fixing it?

@MindaKaronwithG 4 года назад

what if the recorder to the transmitter. then just the receiver will receive the audio from transmitter hooked to the recorder?

@JJKim 11 лет назад

because you need a recorder that can record audio from the receiver. just with transm. and receiver, you can't record audio. since HDSLRs have very audio input, you can do it like we used to do with regular video cameras. hope that helps.

@DeannaRashell 5 лет назад

That cable is not showing up, anyone find that splitter cable? I have tried a few but none worked.

@MC-xo8my 6 лет назад

what wireless lav?

@pranjalitare 6 лет назад

Do we need a specific wire to connect h4n to dslr? Also is it necessary that the camera & the h4n recorder both should have memory card in them while audio +video recording together?

@lindamuvic8110 8 лет назад

Ive tried this a couple of times, and the audio on my T3i is really bad when I listened to it in Premiere Pro. Good enough to sync it later with the audio H4N, but really bad to listen too, unusable. Apparently you do need a attenuated 12db cord from the H4n to your camera if you want clear audio on both audio tracks. Took me a month or so to realize this. One such cord is the Sescom LN2MIC-ZOOMH4N 3.5mm Line to Microphone Attenuation Cable for HDSLR Cameras. which is built specifically for the H4N going to DSLRs. Forgive me if someone has allready mentioned this im up late a really tired.

@YoungBlaze 3 года назад

Any update to this

@HoundDogMech 4 года назад

I don't use my Zoom H4n PRO much because of my type of video (TOY R/C Model Planes) where I need someone to figure a way for my Canon XA-30 or T5i to take my H4n PRO from pause to record and back to pause as I press the Record/Pause button on the camera. I have the Wired Remote for the H4n PRO but need the H4n PRO better synced with the Record/Pause of my camera as there many shots are very short 3 to 10 seconds and as many shots as 25 to 30 or more in a single flight. and can be of different aircraft. So you can see the synchronization of audio can be very time consuming if not at all impossible. Any help out there PLZ.

@KilleraDK 11 лет назад

Great video, exactly the kind of setup I'll be going for. But one question: Does anybody know what one would call or where to get the "rig" mounted on top of the camera? Simply the stuff that goes from the hot shoe, and then holds both the H4n and the lav-mic reciever? I've got no idea what that kinda rig gear is called, but well, I need it to mount my mic and zoom on it. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

@DropBombsNotThongs 12 лет назад

Hey man, i'm wondering where you bought those mounts for the h4n zoom and your lapel reciever. Can you help me out and tell me what they are called or where you bought them.

@JJKim 13 лет назад

@lp22hot Sennheiser EW100 G2. What's the link to that Sescom?

@ZakarooNetwork 11 лет назад

what about setting levels. Cameras input level vs H4n output volume?

@lindamuvic8110 8 лет назад

Standard stereo mini plugs don't work well with the T3I there is a lot of hissing clicks Ect, the out put for headphones is to loud and has to be attenuated 25db. Sescom makes a cable that does this, and it works well make , however sure that you check your levels and adjust accordingly. The more expensive canon cameras attenuate automatically. .

@raulsantiago58 8 лет назад

work with inalámbrico microphone?

@AnggieHarygustia 11 лет назад

Dear Mr. Jj Kim, since I'm just a rookie, please answer if you may: 1. can we just use wireless microphone & its receiver, and then record the sound straight to the dslrs, using the 3,5mm input? 2. which one do you recommend: record the sound using zoom h4n straight to the dslrs, or recorded it separately? I'm very grateful for your answer. Many thanks :)

@ams914 13 лет назад

@jjhdslr great thanks! so once in standby you just record from the camera and the h4n captures the audio??? very helpful thank you.

@Arielebayuk 11 лет назад

What about the Fostex DC-R302? Im very keen to order one...

@raduz123 11 лет назад

Great vid, recently done the same with mine. Quick question, what level should the headphone volume be at to more accurately represent the sound being recorded?

@gabrielsaldana3168 10 лет назад

Thanks for the vid. Have you noticed any drop in quality by routing sound to the camera vs. syncing in post using audio directly from the Zoom? My thinking was always that the camera's circuitry could only capture limited quality. In other words, you might get the sound to record by rerouting, but once it's out of the Zoom and back into the camera, is the Zoom's pristine audio quality then downgraded to the "lower" audio recording abilities of the camera, rendering the Zoom's capturing abilities useless? Don't know if that's the case but it seems to make sense.

@thorleyphotography 9 лет назад

It's still an upgrade in microphone quality, and perhaps off camera.

@Peacemakerblue 6 лет назад

Nick Thorley your talking jargon

@Peteraddavideo 11 лет назад

Im wondering if you can use it in place of a Lavalier Mic system. Could you strap it behind someones back attach a Lavalier mic to it and operate by remote?

@raulsantiago58 8 лет назад

Wath battery use ?

@Joseph___ 7 лет назад

What lav mic are you using in this video?

@Teddykhil 11 лет назад

G'day, Great vid Jj, Did you find out what sort of splitter you used. Any chance you could jot down a diagram of what goes where and what has been used. I get the idea of using the Stenheiser stuff for recording, but I'm using a H4n into 7D. I can't use the Sten/wireless because of costs. But other bits I have. Thanks, Kev.

@FraserCottrell 13 лет назад

Whats the cable called the websites in the info box are down!

@AmigoAjeno 13 лет назад

basically we connect the zoom into the camera with the splitter signal, and then when we hit record on the Zoom without hitting play we can set the recording levels properly, and without recording on the Zoom if we record on camera the audio leveled from the zoom goins into the CF card toguether with the footage? so there is no more Post syncing? correct? also another quick questions will be: is there any changes when you shoot either on 24, 25 or 30? or it syncs automatically?

@lindamuvic8110 8 лет назад

Does not work with T2i. Audio needs attenuated cable

@JJKim 12 лет назад

@michaeldevowe thanks so much for watching~!

@morgando2 12 лет назад

The Zoom H4n headphone out is a line antinuation output. The audio in on your camera is set at a mic level. The audio will be over driven in your dslr. You must match the antinuation between the two devices.

@renalovington5764 8 лет назад

what kind of mount do you use?

@gailwest9286 10 лет назад

I bought the DSLR accessory kit when I bought the ZOOM H4N--isn't that adequate? It comes with an attenuation cable to attach the ZOOM handy recorder to the camera. I just got it and haven't tried it out yet.

@DeannaRashell 5 лет назад

What settings are you using on the H4n pro? Is the audio recording to the recorder and the camera or just the camera?

@sameer248 7 лет назад

I could see H4n left channel is only active & recording & upload video has both channels. so assuming you have done post processing on Audio Channel.

@sevalmi 11 лет назад

Thank you! Great video, now everything is clear to me! Thanks a lot!

@AlfieJecs 11 лет назад

Dude I'm off topic but I want to know if I use Rode NT 1-A I just wanted to know if you can also directly set up that audio recording sync into my cam using that mic same as this? Is there anyway? What extras do I need to get? Hope u can help me...I wanted to set up my home studio recording by using my Nikon D5200 (great video recording cap.) then I am looking for a decent mic...Rode NT 1-A was only a choice..but I really want great audio quality in doing music covers.In great budget too! ^^,

@TMCreates 11 лет назад

are you recording only on mono ?

@3clapslateboard49 7 лет назад

Interesting, all that wiring seems like a lot of opportunities for hum and RF interference especially from phones and wireless devices. I've started turning off all wireless devices before a recording/shoot session.

@asociaciongemma 8 лет назад

can't you monitor from the headphone out of the camera?? cause this way you hear nice while you are working but maybe your camera is recording with noise or something... ¿?¿?¿?

@MichaelNatrin 11 лет назад

why do you have the h4n set to stereo when you're only using a mono input? wouldn't the audio recorded to the camera just be a single channel, either right or left??

@raulsantiago58 8 лет назад

use battery?

@leosylver7 12 лет назад

What is the name of the cables ?

@DerrickPeachey 11 лет назад

hi, there, how are you able to hold up the zoom h4n, with the receiverand all that? What is yours called? it looks like a bunch of legs holding it up.... I need somehting that can hold a zoom H4N, the receiver(which picks up lav audio), and a rode or seihnheisser mic. Could you help? Big shoot this weekend and i will be running and gunning

@BelovedChild 6 лет назад

What did you use to fix the H4N on the top of the camera? And there is another objekt ...I can see it is also fixed at the top on the camera...is it a receiver? Which one is it?

@andrademmn6140 8 лет назад

JJ , please , what is the microphone and headset used in this video? Would you have the link that held the H4n and the wireless receiver ? Excuse me for the English because I speak Portuguese . Thank you!

@ChessBoxin 11 лет назад

I got a couple quesitons. First is how much would a setup like yours cost? Meaning everything with the audio, plugins, camera, etc. I have 2-3k and I originally wanted to buy a Lumix GH3, but I'd only have one lens and not much left to work with based on money. Would you recommend going for a nice camera and add on later? or buy something fairly nice with quality and buy multiple lenses with a bunch of parts to add to it (shotgun, zoom, etc)?

@JJKim 10 лет назад

there are only a couple of HDSLR that can do that. So many people still use external audio recorder.

@JJKim 10 лет назад

no problem, Anggie. Please note that this video is 3 years old. Many things have changed since then, and this setup is no longer being used by me, but have it posted here still just in case someone needs similar setup. If you can't monitor your audio, what's the point? That's like recording your video without looking at your LCD, right? LOL! Do you still need me to answer your questions below? sorry for the delay.

@ArtworksAndDesign 9 лет назад

I wanna use the ZOOM sound recordings straightly to my GH3. I dont want to spend my life at syncing WAV with MOV on FCPX I plug my devices like you : - one for the headphone - the other one for the link H4N>>>GH3 (I use a golden double jack 3,5) Question : Do I need to start with any special configuration inside the H4N (before clicking REC at the beghinning) ? Note : sorry for my english, I'm from Paris, FR

@bingraobeijing 8 лет назад

your h4n recording button is blinking, does it mean it is on standby? if it is not actually recording, so your audio is caught by the sony on board mic? I have been thinking of getting a better quality of audio with h4n as on board, will try...

@ams914 13 лет назад

Do you have to sync up the audio in post, or does the zoom automatically kick in when you hit record on your camera? I know you can use a "mini-usb to mini-usb" cable to connect the zoom with the dslr but I don't understand what that does exactly

@MattAdams777 12 лет назад

Thanks a lot man! Really useful stuff.

@MichaelDeVowe 13 лет назад

Great video! Thanks for the info.

@jesseolivier 9 лет назад

What is that show adapter called? can you send me a link or a product name?

@R2ROrancid 7 лет назад

If your talking about the cable, it's called " 3.5mm audio splitter"

@Captainq33 13 лет назад

A company called Markertek has a cable that does this all in one shot (no adapters) and with the proper 25dB padding so the output level of the Zoom matches your DSLR.

@watha2277 11 лет назад

Hi, please forgive me if it sounds like a dumb question for you but could you explain to me why you need H4N since you can record the sound via your wireless transmitter and receiver? Awaiting for your response. Thanks.

@LEXPIX 13 лет назад

Nice demo.

@blackdiamond2161 9 лет назад

How are you holding the h4n? I need something that will fit like that on my t2i. I need something to hold the video rode mic and the h4n on the camera. Is there anything that will do that while being handheld?

@MarcelloScotti 8 лет назад

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@fazadinrizal9876 11 лет назад

Problem is the onboard camera preamp is still poor in quality.

@Samlamkl 10 лет назад

Your sound is peaking...

@JJKim 10 лет назад

because the camera has AGC on.

@jenksandartt 12 лет назад

Are u recording your audio onto the camera and is your mic connected to the camera and h4n. Or is the mic connected only to the earphones. Im still confused on your setup. Thanks

@TheBarrickBoy 10 лет назад

Will this effect sound quality of the zoom at all?

@jjkim8109 10 лет назад

I don't think so.

@editdatamov 10 лет назад

If camera audio levels are high (or low) you will not know, and when you moving can create noise (contact problems) . My sugestion.. monitoring audio level directly in the camera (output phones) (i do this way). You can balance output level (zoom h4n) with input camera levels properly, for best audio (it should already be) (none high or too low - both with audio levels in 50%, is good start point). Your choice is better for non output phones cameras. You can use The Zoom H4n output-phones to phones (of corse) or LINE signal

@lovetowntv 9 лет назад

Thanks for the video. So... the H4n is just acting as a mic right? So will the sound be recorded onto the SD card of the DSLR? Will this mean you don't even need a SD card in the H4n?

@Lovealishious 9 лет назад

LovetownTV I have this same question. Did you ever get an answer to this question?

@beefyrt 12 лет назад

what lense are you using?

@JJKim 11 лет назад

i would say buy the decent body, then add stuff later. because if you buy not-so-good camera at first, you eventually replace it which will cost you anyway. 6D with 24-105 F4 is my main set up right now.

@williamlouisparsons3394 10 лет назад

I thought the point of not recording through 3.5mm cables is because its not balanced like a XLR.

@Lovealishious 9 лет назад

So, this set-up that you have here should record the sound from the H4N and the DSLR together on one SD card (the camera)? So, why do you need another mic (the blue XLR that you have coming from the bottom of the H4N? Just curious. I have an external mic, but it would obviously be more convenient in the field to be able to capture good sound quality without dragging it around with me.

@lovetowntv 9 лет назад

No but I did run a test. Turns out the h4n won't record unless there's a SD card in it so what appears to have happened is that the audio from the H4n recorded onto my SD card on my DSLR but also onto the card in the h4n.

@Lovealishious 9 лет назад

LovetownTV So, the H4N records onto both SD cards? In that case, setting it up like this will definitely increase the sound quality of the DSLR. I like this. Thanks for your help, Lovetown.

@JJKim 13 лет назад

@lmacatol Plural Eyes from Singular Software. Best Option there is out there!

@pipedreamz66 3 года назад

JJ, what headset are you using in this video, thx!

@JJKim 3 года назад

Sony MDR 7506. still using them these days! thank you!

@WisLockman 4 года назад

The pause button if flashing. It should be a steady light on record on your Zoom H4n.

@jjkim274 4 года назад

i think i was recording directly to the camera without recording it on Zoom.

@BornInThe70s 8 лет назад

What possesses people to record how-to videos about things they don't understand?

@Xbot4Life 5 лет назад

You was recording in MONO? Can you do this and record both channels?

@jjkim274 4 года назад

it was recording into the camera directly.

@danyal934 8 лет назад

I use t5 it doesnt take mics in how do i record audio?

@AbsurdTV1 8 лет назад

+Danizzle Studios use external audio recorder with a microphone. use a clapper or slate to sync audio. basically you hit record on the camera and the audio recorder. you use the slate to show visual action and audio sound to SYNC up in post using your NLE something like Final Cut X or i movie to sync the clap to the sound. I hope that helps.

@danyal934 8 лет назад

Absurd TV Thanks Alot

@JJKim 13 лет назад

@LEXPIX thanks!

@DynamicLearning4u 11 лет назад

Hey Man, i tried and it works! Thank you very much! :)

@Serouisly 11 лет назад

depends on what look youre going for. You could get a film camera to get the film look or you could go with a DSLR with a more photographic look. The DSLR look can be corrected in post. 2-3k is good for a DSLR and a lot of accessories, also dont forget lighting. do some more research before you buy

@MDHLIVE24 3 года назад

@SabbathSermonsau 9 лет назад

why do you have a microphone going straight to the camera as well? i have a gh3, should i use a microphone that goes straight to the camera?

@JJKim 9 лет назад

for easier post production flow. i don't do think anymore as it's been more than 3 years using this setup.

@ariadneartemis 9 лет назад

Jj Kim i just synch in final cut pro. isn't that okay? i'm the same person as SS btw.

@JJKim 9 лет назад

of course, it's ok! it just makes things easier, but again, i now use Plural Eyes for syncing and using C100 with some wireless attached, so I don't use this setup anymore.

@ariadneartemis 9 лет назад

Ok thanks. I use Final Cut Pro.

@Captainq33 13 лет назад

@lp22hot - search LN2MIC-ZMH4-MON on the site - it has a built in audio pad and a headphone monitoring tap. It may seem expensive but these guys really know what they're doing. It's hand made with pro audio components

@AnggieHarygustia 11 лет назад

Dear Mr. Kim. Nice video tutorial, Bro :) Anyway, please allow me to correct. I used Sennheiser ew100 G3 for my video recording using DSLRs. And it just work without Zoom H4N needed. I just used: clip-on-microphone -> transmitter -> receiver -> DSLRs But, since I used no 5D Mk III, I couldn't monitor the sound directly to my headphone like you just did. Using Zoom H4N is great for both monitoring and better quality. Just to give an experience, no meant to harsh. Have a good day, Bro..

@ricopena2871 10 лет назад

Are you using a lavalier or just the H4N?

@JJKim 9 лет назад

Lav.

@JJKim 12 лет назад

@vrobert1979 i shoot many weddings. can't slate during the ceremony or reception :-)

@hybriditgroup1551 3 года назад

You are recording into just the left channel?

@JJKim 3 года назад

i honestly don't remember. this is such a long time ago and I don't use this setup any more.

@BigfootMediaPro 11 лет назад

Be careful with this system. I have had my headphones act as a microphone and audio picked up by my headphones has ended up on my camera audio. I checked audio before recording as Jj Kim did. However when you are wearing the mic and headphones yourself it is almost impossible to tell if your headphones are sending ghost audio. Try tapping on your headphones to see if the audio from them is picked up in your camera. This didn't seem to be a problem with earbuds, only my headphones.

@JJKim 11 лет назад

med-high, I would say, but I always check the meters on the screen before I rely on my ears.