Haas UMC-500SS with 10 pallet pool! Why We Bought & 5-Axis Training Classes! 

Get what you pay for i guess, you always see Haas demo's cutting ally and not steel for this reason - the ram design is not rigid enough. Plus all the other drawbacks such as poor chip evacuation, and even in this video things not thought out well like the door on the pallet changer, pallet changer not returning to where it should etc etc. Im opening my shop next year and i already know not to buy Haas. People only continue to buy them because they started with them and it's what they or their operators know.

@@wrighty338 that and nor being able to use heidenhain at least in europe.

Even cooler if you got to work with real precsion machines like Mazak or DMG, My experience with Haas is really bad, chep and unreliable, got to work with Mazak and Wow what an improvemnt in quality.

Can you tell me more about your issues?

@@teekteekteekteek A few years ago I had an ST20Y crash because of a software issue that caused the machine to try to cut on the X- side only if cutter comp was turned on. We had already been milling successfully on it but hadn't used cutter comp so didn't even think that could happen. More recently had issues with a UMC500 having a compounding thermal comp issue only on the Z axis. That issue put us at a dead halt on a job after weeks of troubleshooting only to find it was something we could not fix with any clever CAM tricks. Haas had told us multiple times over months that a fix was coming and fell short every time with very little communication from them or our reseller. At one point a tech came in with a software update to fix it and it did absolutely nothing. We ended up purchasing the first Doosan 5axis we could find in stock in the US and had it shipped the day after Haas said they weren't sure when they would be able to fix it so we could finish our job. I never had a single issue with a Haas machine until the NGC. Haven't had issues that were significant with their simple 2 axis lathes, 3 axis mills, or horizontal mills and I'd happily buy a used one for my shop, but I'd never even consider for a moment buying a new Haas after my experience with Haas directly on the UMC issue. I certainly would not touch a 5 axis machine or live tooling lathe from them unless 5 years go by without me hearing about any more software issues. Those two issues above are my biggest but I've consistently found other smaller software issues every year since NGC was released. I like the control a lot, I just wish they could get it right. Yeah the UMC is 100k cheaper than the Doosan, but it couldn't even do what was sold to us, was slower, less accurate, and has less standard options.

You mean tunnnel?

@@nyccnc mono rail?

A lack of resale value of the machine doesn’t dismiss ROI, that’s a misunderstanding of what ROI is. Yes, it would absolutely make sense for a contractor to consider the ROI of the tools to run their business, including their truck. If you want to question the ROI of the pallet pool in this video which is 6 months old and clearly unused, I think there are fair questions to ask. 😂

Of course it would. A work truck has a good ROI because it enables you to get to more jobs than a bicycle would. Yet your average electrician doesn’t buy a semi truck, because it has bad ROI due to not enabling more income relative to the increased price

Probably not. It’s not made for that

That was just for the pallet pool!

@@nyccnc That makes more sense... thx

@@nyccnc I was kinda thinking that sounds expensive, but it's really only about 10 Grand a pallet, plus all the hardware to rotate them and enclosure. If you ran an extra 10 long cycle parts overnight every day, that adds up, and is a good deal. Still though, bit of a bummer with the coolant tank. Classic Haas engineering I guess, to overlook that. ;)

There are vf haas machines all over the place around me. They make a lot of money for a lot of people. If the parts you make don’t need tolerances tighter than .005” they will bang out parts just as good as the highest end machine you can get.

The math was just for deciding whether to add the ~$105k pallet pool

@@nyccnc Got it. Thank you for the clarification

I doubt this ..

@@teekteekteekteek see its in paper .... see manual....

Our St20y seems to really suffer from the same issue

@ReactionTime344 turns out Haase does not check the alignment when they deliver and set up. They made a note of it when it was new but I really noticed the issues when I started doing deeper boring parts. Call them back and suddenly yea they made a note that the machine had an issue but now they want 6k+ to align it and the tech sits on the phone for over an hour talking about expense reports while your getting billed for them to send him out to just verify what you have been telling them for two years.

@@hyperformancellc figures as much. Really annoying.

@@hyperformancellc is there a way I can DM you?

About to trade my less than a year old st20y and robot package 1 for a Mazak QT250msy with Robojob Robot Package. Ive probably had them out a minimum of 10 times on this one machine. Haas is useless from the factory. Love the HFO guys, they are only dealing with the crap from the factory that they had no hand in making.

Which size of tolerance are you talking about?

0.25mm

@@mannycalavera121 uff that’s way to much. But I can t imagine every umc 500 can’t hold 0,25mm. Probably something wrong with yours.. otherwise haas would not sell so much

Willing to ship it?