I did a diploma in computer networking and we had to do a talk in front of everyone about something. I chose to do mine on BO2K. I installed it on my home pc and ran the client from my college pc. Did a bit of regedit and ran a video stream and my college tutor was absolutely terrified. I told him it wasn't cross-infecting to alleviate his mind, then told him I could saranwrap it into any application and they wouldn't know. He said "won't antivirus pick it up" and I explained polymorphism and heuristic AV disabling. That terrified him too. Bear in mind, this guy was an old school programmer who worked on the local nuclear power plant also. I imagine what he thought could happen is far worse than that I thought.
He was right to be concerned when you think about it. Those old systems that they use for power plants weren't designed with any security at all and were eventually hacked by using a Trojan horse virus just like BO2K
Had this on the family computer when I was growing up. We found out about it when someone hacked into our computer and created a chat on our screen to tell us about it and how to remove it.
@@0therun1t21 you think? The hacker teach the guy's family cyber security probably without them knowing what the phrase even means, that's noble work there mate
call me stupid but at the time people hack for fun, like really, there's no material benefits. I watched a video of TV shows that "here's what you have to do to connect into the internet" and not even a second it's already hacked, hacker said "HI [host's name]" and both hosts "oops I think we got hacked. get out of here 😂 we are trying to tell people" back then when password was just 4 digits and people was "if someone doesn't use my computer then my computer wasn't being used by someone"
I actually used to reverse hack stuff.first you find a minor Virus or equivalent.then you figure out what it does and hope you can figure out how to undo it.i mainly did it for friends and I wasn't too good but it's a start.i ended up not pursuing it tho.
What if... the African Prince actually gave money to the first person, said 1st person tells his friends, friends tell other friends on the forums, boom someone's villain arc begins. 😂
i think it’s VERY important for everyone to know there’s a massive difference between giving a go-ahead (which is an approval) and giving an answer which is what the agent ACTUALLY did. he didn’t approve anything nor did he give him the “go-ahead” he just said he couldn’t stop him from doing it.
The agent told him it wasn’t illegal and wasn’t going to stop him. Asking him not to do something but then giving him open access to it is more akin to giving someone permission than policing bodies typically do, even if they need to lie they do normally, so they pretty much gave him permission by omission
@@tigfickler7353 I don’t think you understand the line of logic that you just used. The agent specifically stated that while it’s not illegal they do not want him doing it, once the guy showed he didn’t care the agent simply stated that he wouldn’t be charged or arrested for doing it. That is nowhere near giving permission not even by omission. That’s like you asking if you can crash your car into a bridge and i tell you that you physically would be able to but that it’s not a good idea, you continue asking to do it and i say simply “i can’t stop you” and you go ahead and crash your car into a bridge. So it’s obviously my fault for giving you permission, right? wrong. Telling someone that you can’t stop them from doing something is not akin to giving them permission by omission even in the slightest regard. If that were the case a lot more people would be in prison currently for not physically stopping their friends from buying drugs. Such a ridiculous line of logic
They did not lack any automatic update system, Windows Update definitely existed. It launched with 98 and was given to 95 later. It wasn't as transparent to users as modern update systems but Internet connectivity was usually dial-up so that wasn't yet practical either.
Then it wasn't automatic. It did have Windows Update, but you had to manually lauch up the update service, it had to connect to the update servers, and then it could download and install the updates. That wasn't particularily user-friendly, and yes, dial-up Internet was pretty much the bottleneck for Windows updates, and since Internet connection was frickin expensive back then, most people didn't even bother to update.
@@remrem-gx3ml That's true :D How many people were also using pirated copy of Windows? Back then, there was no online activation, it was introduced in Windows XP for the first time. So you could just fill whatever product key you've been given from the source, and Windows would accept it, even if it's not the original one. Windows 95 even could be activated with all 1's, kind of a secret product key meant only for testing. Windows 98 was more sophisticated tho. Fun fact: You can still activate Windows XP even today. It's a bit different tho. You may be able to get a product key from a retailer, and activate through phone. It's useful if you want to use Windows XP in a virtual machine.
@@CZghost you are nitpicking, windows update existed, thats a fact. however then just like TODAY windows update would not prevent something like this from happening.
110%, but it's not really about lying. One person doesn't speak for the entire org or agency. If you ask a cop if you can smoke weed, one might say whatever, but it's not binding legal advice. Also, for all anyone knows he probably asked a janitor or secretary over the phone.
And unfortunately cannot necessarily rely on their advice - since they may not know themselves... and other practices that might lead to trouble for some curious youngsters (the lawyer is another story and better advice there no doubt).
Better advice sure but all he would be told is what’s not legal which that was legal at the time and what the fbi MIGHT do. So he said ok let me ask them if they’ll do anything.
Technically Netbus was earlier (released a few months before Back Orfice debuted) and with an even more widely infected userbase in Europe and worldwide.
You're right, and wrong. People in the 90s online ABSOLUTELY knew more about malware than people today. Because the few people online were all computer nerds. Today that everyone is online, A LOT of computer illiterate people checking social media and being conned. The problem though is hubris. We were so smart back then, we tended to ignore that others were just as smart. And otherwise very intelligent people were getting tricked all the time.
It's because of either something that was not updated or a vulnerability in an update that was never patched. If you look at companies like Bungie, for example, since they had a huge DDoS attack recently, it's mainly because of corporate management refusing to listen to their security teams in IT when it comes to "spend a few days being down and $10k in maintenance now or suffer millions of dollars and weeks lost because of *this specific thing* being attacked." If we are talking state sponsored hackers, those people are on a completely different tier. Still, they use the same areas. Lazy passwords, lack of updates software/apps, or bad patches.
It's an ongoing battle between hackers and companies that sell anti virus programs. Most cases happen because companies use outdated software that has known breaches and security issues. I knew of an important company that still used floppy disks. They rarely make backups. And if people just wouldn't pay the amount the hackers demand, most hackers would stop spreading viruses. Big companies are too embarrassed to admit they have been hacked and rather pay 200k instead of paying up to several millions when all their data and structure is lost and they have to admit they got hacked which is an reputation and therefore money loss in the end too.
CDC was my internet era, just started high school and got dial up and started discovering all this stuff. It was THE SHIT back then with Altavista and a shit load of how to illegal things manuals everywhere, openly discussing hacking servers on IRC etc. oh man I really miss those days in the mid to late 90s. Nowadays the internet is like North Korea.
@@FineWine-v4.0 They were (maybe still are) an old hacking collective from the 80s/90s (late 90s when I found them), they were basically the go to for exploits, tech stuff, cryptography stuff, hacktivism.. everything.. almost like a proto-anonymous, and then they released back orifice which brought the spotlight thanks to the MSM and they went quiet and most people focus just went away and even those of us that 'followed' them drifted.. So a big nostalgia hit hearing about them
I'm 36 and they're already revising the history from my childhood. Those on the early net were generally tech savvy, and well aware of potential dangers.
Lol backdoor was used in terms of a secret entrance, then used as sxual slang, computers having a backdoor would be no worse than back orifice. And no where near as bad as the news calling someone from deep cover to deep throat, on national news!
I was in high school in the late 90's. Had spent 6 years learning everything i could about computers. Building them, coding them. Had a teacher threaten my graduation and I hacked his classroom computer from the library and sent the incriminating files to his wife and the police. He was arrested the next day. The police tracked the hack to the library but the librarian told them we dont monitor who uses the free computers. Man she scolded me good but thanked me for getting that guy arrested.
I didnsupport for Windows 98 (Compaq Presarios). It died under the weight of viruses and hackers b.c. basically any app could access and change whatever it wanted on the machine. Those issues ended the lineage as Windows NT (business version) became the future base for next gen consumer Windows machines - except the abomination that was Millennium. The Compaq Millennium machines would randomly lose all the user's data - acting like the user had never saved a single document. Also, Windows 98 did [at least eventually] have update capabilities, but the first thing viruses did was break or take over that update process.
cult of the dead cow and temple of the screaming electron were so far beyond my 9 year old understanding in 2005, but God i loved them both. had to explain to my parents why i had cain & abel downloaded to the family computer
the idea that hackers are caught and convicted is correct in the sense that after conviction they usually start working for the government. at least if i believe my friend 'a hacker'. rip Franklin.
Which makes sense because you rubbing it knowingly and willingly means that he’s not culpable for your stupidity. If he had hid it in someway than he would have acted illegally as you then had no way to prevent it.
The early days of the internet was WILD. I was on in 96 using AOL and a 28.8kb/s, dial-up modem. It was very easy to run across things that would be very illegal today. The anarchist's cookbook for one. But, I was a 16 year old kid with a computer and internet access, so I was all over the place. Luckily, I had a Mac back then so the chances of a virus were practically nil for me. But, there were ZERO laws against that stuff back then. Society was wholly unprepared for the internet. It took a few years for the laws to catch up.
In case interested, they still exist! Very nostalgic and nice to see. Some of them are working on a new network project called "Veilid" - for protecting privacy. With some similarities to networks like i2p (haven't explored veilid in depth yet).
More modern, but i used to fck with my schools computer systems, i forget how (many head injuries) lost all my hacking knowledge along with other stuff.
Back in 1995 or 1996 I was accused of putting a virus on three different computers at my highschool. And while this did happen it was unintentional as I did not know there was a virus on the computer disk I was using, and the teacher was made to apologize in front of the class when he found out that I did not have a computer at home so the virus was on a school computer.
when he say they downloaded everything.. that is not a joke. I vividly remember getting on my aunts PC and the mouse was having either a stroke or a rave party and there was countless apps installed that seemingly did nothing but slow it down and the screen was the shape of a box
OK interesting but mixing in lies to make it sound good is annoying. People didn't understand viruses.. Those that used computers had some of the best knowledge of them.
This video is inaccurate. People knew about viruses back then, as they do today. In some ways they were probably more aware back then. Windows 98 did have Windows Update. People did not download as much back then as now; because back then downloads took too long. Also, it's not different today; one program can grant remote access to a computer.
I have not seen the full video, but have you? I don't know if your claims are correct or not, but if this short has multiple account of false information, I suppose the full video does, too?
