Hades and Persephone: The Love and Lovers of the King and Queen of the Underworld - Greek Mythology - See U in History #GreekMythology #Mythology #SeeUinHistory #History #MythologyExplained
I've read many Greek and Roman versions of the Persephone myth, but none have said that Hades locked Persephone in a room or prison. Instead, the myths speak of how Hades kept Persephone underworld in order to marry her, to which Hades had obtained consent from Zeus, Persephone's father.
They're basically what you'd get if you gave godlike power to a bunch if moody teenagers with no sense of morality or ethics. A small percentage (Hades, Hermes, Hepheastus etc) will be *relatively chill* while the rest will just go AWOL
That's the thing, he's so fair and just that he never lashes out on mortals. He knows that mortals respect and fear him enough to never treat him poorly. Even if someone tries to defy him, Hades has his way of punishing them or bargaining with them. Literally, the worst thing you can do is try to steal from Hades
@@animebrat76 No, their talking about Persephone. Demeter and Zeus, yk they did smth and Persephone popped out. Hades and Zeus are siblings so that would make Persephone Hade's niece.
@@kaylasmith3891 Aswell as Hera. Marriages in greek mythology can be really messed up at times like Hephaestus and Aphrodite, Hephaestus could be considered Aphoridites nephew
@@Frombeyondthehorizon6860 indeed. That's because ancient greece was fragmented and each region developed its own beliefs which led to the branching of mythology
Incorrect. The true reason is Greek custom did not require the mother's consent, only the father's. This is exact reason why Zeus cannot grant Demeter's wish to give Persephone back. Hades obeyed all laws and customs in marrying her so there is no crime to punish.
@@Jornunvosk don’t we still follow that rule technically? Unless the father is dead? Or if the mother rules the household. Also I think the Greek Amazon’s (in Greek lure) were all about asking the women for permission and men had no say in anything, if they tried they’d loose their head… (it’s just a guess)
Fun fact: Persephone is often referred to as "Dread Persephone" even when Hades is mentioned in the same sentence or is also there right beside her and in contrast he is just referred to as "Lord Hades" or smth to that effect The implication being that while Hades is respected and feared, Persephone's potential anger is considered so terrifying that she arguibly eclipses Hades in that regard And mind you , this is not without cause because Hades is the god of the Dead and of the earth, whereas Persephone is the goddess of the Underworld itself. We know this because if you go back far enough you'll find mention of a god who is effectively the fusion and likely origin of Poseidon, Hades and (maybe) Zeus and longside him different versions of a goddess of the Underworld that was so feared her name was taboo to be even spoken out of fear of getting her attention. This is likely the "origin" of Persephone (Disclaimer: Keep in mind that the second half of this comment is arguable as even today we can't be 100% sure what exactly influenced the recorded Greek myths we have today, especially with different cultures changing the various gods in form and function to fit the times over the centuries)
Incorrect. Chthonic deities are never referred to by name regardless of who they are. Hades, as the chief chthonic deity, would have been necessary to refer to outside epitaph in religious ritual occasionally but for the majority of the others the rule stands unless you are initiated within their mystery cult. Persephone was never intended or demonstrated to be an Underworld goddess, much more likely is that her previous incarnations as Hekate and Demeter were explained in the Homeric Hymn to Demeter. You're ascribing a ritualistic meaning to a naming convention that doesn't exist anywhere else in the region towards a goal that is extremely contrary to the very patriarchal culture that created these mythologies. It wouldn't make sense for the extremely masculine centric culture to give rise to a goddess mythology that eclipses her husband. It would run counter to the primary role of the religion: to explain and justify the social order.
Who knows? Maybe Persophone was actually the scary Empress of Underworld. To win the Titan War they arranged political marriage and sent the most decent Olympian be her sacri... i mean husband.
In the original version, translated from old greek and written circa 600 bc has Zeus as responsible of allowing the arranged marriage, as opposed to kidnapping. And from what I remember, Dread Persephone was treated above all others, even Hades himself.
Incorrect the kidnapping is part of the wedding custom after obtaining permission from the bride's father. Read here the Hymn to Demeter: It happened on the Plain of Nysa. There it was that the Lord who receives many guests [Hades] made his lunge. He was riding on a chariot drawn by immortal horses. The son of Kronos. The one known by many names. He seized her [Persphone] against her will, put her on his golden chariot, And drove away as she wept. She cried with a piercing voice, calling upon her father [Zeus], the son of Kronos, the highest and the best. But not one of the immortal ones, or of human mortals, heard her voice
Small joke that Persephone got her mom's representative aspect, and Zeus' rage... Always a fun chuckle.. Edit: Also another of how Hades' punishments were actually him sparing the offender from something far worse if the Queen of the Underworld were to decide.
Sure, Hades and Persephone cheated on each other. But it was only done with one person. Compared to other Greek couples and how they cheat on each other all the time. It's basically like Hades and Persephone never cheated on each at all. True romance, i say.
Many problems and inconsistencies: kore can't be the goddess of spring because the seasons don't exist yet. She was the goddess of flowers. Gaia is the original mother, the earth. she's not really young and i don't think demeter would try to "punish" her in any way. Demeter stopped doing her duty because she was too sad. Persephone hangs out with nymphs, not with the gods from whom she is hidden It's helios who ends up telling demeter where his daughter is. The love between Hades and Persephone is platonic in many versions the "abduction" of persephone is probably not a true abduction. It's more like he snatched Persephone from his mother, but that's it. there are many versions, but I have never seen that Hades locked Persephone away somewhere. He knew that if she ate anything from the underworld, she would stay in the underworld, because that's the rule. finally, it is zeus, at the trial, when he could not decide which one would keep the goddess, proposed that persephone stay with her mother part of the year, and with her husband the other part, creating the seasons The designs are good (sorry for my English)
I've read about a version where Adonis was found by the Aphrodite as a baby, born from a sap of myrrh tree that used to be a a woman named Myrrah, granddaughter of Galatea, that was turned into a tree by as a revenge for rumours about her being more beatiful than her. Pain that was a result of that love was said to be Myrrah's revenge on the goddes
That's pretty much what I heard from Overly Sarcastic Productions, along with Persephone wasn't exactly in love with Adonis. More like "Wait a minute Aphrodite! First you want ME to take care of him (which I did), and now that he's an adult, NOW you want him as a lover!? He's practically my son!!!" That's the impression I got.
I like to think that this whole Hades and Persephone marriage thing, it was Zeus plan all along. He knew that Demeter was spoiling mankind by giving them perpetual spring and growth. That much privilege and abundance, not only created a world in which a monopoly on food could be acquired by kingdoms who have the most olives, or most onions, or most lettuce, but also undermined him. Demeter could become the Queen of the gods if mankind believed it should be so. So basically, Zeus needed to really bring Demeter, and her plentiful business, down a couple of pegs. How he decided to do that was to take her daughter away and make Demeter too depressed to answer mankind's prayers. In order to make sure that this didn't get traced back to him, (at least not right away) he convinced Hades to do it (probably feeding him some lie or other about how "even the God of death deserves someone to love! So, what do you say, Hades? Does your brother look after you, or what?). All of a sudden, Hades finds itself in a custody battle, and we get winter, the great equaliser of yield and harvest. Something that everyone, rich or poor, has to contend with, lest anyone have too much more than each other. Clever plan, isn't it?
The real culprits are Afroditis and Eros for meddling and wanting to have fun by seducing and manipulating. Although let's admit it, Hades and Persephone are the most stable couple of the Greek gods. Maybe Hades turned a blind eye on his wife's cheating because he did exactly the same as well as he knew she was going to quarrel with another one who cheated her husband as well (and he wasn't Ares). And Persephone didn't care as well her husband's affair, she just cared for revenge so she could feel free.
@@gwendolynmurray8201 i think that depends on which country you are from, a lot of countries simply use "F" instead of the "PH" sound which gives an F sound and as far as i know only english use ph as a substitute for f
Something about the second story ending doesn't really makes sense. How would Hades not know that his wife would go back to the surface to meet his mother in the summer? Wasn't he the one that decided she was allowed to meet his mother half the year?
I think I read a version of the Adonis story where both Aphrodite and Persephone wanted to raise him as a child. In the version I read he only started getting involved with Aphrodite who was basically like a mother to him before.
I heard that Zeus conducted the whole kidnapping thing. Hades asked permission from Zeus, Persephone's dad, to marry him. They knew Demeter wouldn't approve and so Hades just took her. The only thing Hades can be blamed for is the pomegranate thing.
Aros makes all the gods assault or kidnap women. Pretty sure they made him up to justify there actions. Aros is the god of chaos and screwing things up
this paints Hades/ Aphrodite and Eros as the “ Bad guys, but Hades asked permission from Persephones’ father, Zeus, permission to marry her, and Zeus allowed it and planned an arranged marriage (which didn’t involve the imprisonment of Persephone). This was more normal in Greek/ Roman times were Papa knows best and usually arranged marriages for his daughter. Even though that’s… still messed up, in ALMOST every retelling, Zeus is the one everyone blames for dragging Persephone into the Underworld. I feel smart now :)
I like to think that Hades knew what was going on between Persephone and Adonis. But not only was Adonis god level gorgeous and a good servant, but he made Persephone happy. Also i wouldn't be surprised if Hades had a thing with the guy as well.
I like the version where Hades goes to Zeus, "Hey bro, I would like your and Demeter's blessing before I propose to Persephone" Zeus: "nah, bro. just kidnap her. you got my blessing and who care's about what Demeter thinks."
This one makes makes more sense knowing how Greek gods think I feel like the kidnapping parts is just a twisted version by mortals because they're scared of him and even then it's not really that much of a big deal back then at least they had a happy relationship after some hiccups but overall good unlike the other gods relationships
@@mysterious_truth6907 I see the kidnapping as an insight to Greek culture at the time. In what I believe was mentioned in the original tale, it was not so much as "kidnapping" as more of an arranged marriage giving the "okay" by Zues without consent or knowledge of the female parties. Thank goodness persephone was married off to Hades. Perhaps the only one of his brothers more focused on his duties and marriage than finding the next woman to make a demi god hero with.
I can see the potential of this story or stories being adapted into a movie about the complexities of true love, like how Persephone learns that Hades' love for her was just because of the arrow and wanted to discover true love for herself.
Peresophone and adonis return after summer. Hades tells the guards to through adonis in tartauras. Persephone : hades what are you doing !? HE IS MY FAVORITE SERVANT! Hades : i know what you did last summer.
Wow. This minthe isn't that different from Her lore Olympus counterpart. Though unlike this version of Minthe, she displayed more of a toxic relationship with hades in lore Olympus and much like this version of her, she was turned into a plant but this was before Persephone became queen
in most versions it is zeus who arranges the marriage for the monitary benefit. the father of the bride receives a monitary benefit for their daughter. zeus chose hades because he is the hod of the afterlife and wealth. In the myth hades shows up invisible in a chariot to pick up persephone. there are also accounts where persephone gets entraped by one of zeus chariots and hades was waiting in underworld but people just assumed hades was there but invisible
If your wondering how Aphrodite convinced the boatman to take her to Hade’s realm then here it is. She slept with with him. Can you blame the boatman for being so lonely?
