I mean, every time Zagreus breaks out he accrues gold which he inevitably has to spend at Charon’s shop, so it’s definitely in Charon’s interest to keep him escaping
I love that Zag gets a tiny bit shouty one time and then defaults to pleading and then prying and then his own form of "threats" The most intense this boyo gets is still so soft spoken and I love it
I liked that about him - he's such a total badass but he's always impeccably polite and dry-witted, and never feels the need to turn into some wannabe-macho twatsatchel. He's like a likable James Bond.
My favorite thing about Zagreus is his general pleasantness, even with people who he is fighting to the death with on a regular basis. It makes it even more better how much he actively hates Theseus for how unique it is.
Charon is a smart business man. Charon is sent Skelly to train Zagreus to get through the multiple layers of Hades. Specifically, Charon wants to have Zagreus as a constant customer. In order to pass through the multiple layers of Hades, Zagreus will occasionally come across Charon’s shop, approximately seven in the entire game, and not to mention, the smaller Charon wells in certain chambers.
Charon being a total bro by secretly setting events into motion that would get his bro back together with his family, despite his claim that it would be best for everyone if they stayed seperate.
@@Sanches7557 uh, spoilers to the game but..... Nyx ain't his mother. He's more of a nephew but the God's family tree is a gnarly tanglewood of yikes on trikes, so...
@@NoirRaven Nyx's power was the reason Zagreus actually didn't perish from his stillbirth and actually received his chance at 'life' though, right? Also, while Nyx didn't directly spawn him, she was functionally Zag's surrogate mother, being the one who did the proper raising of Zag.
@@DT-267K Yes, you definitely have a point there. I shouldn't have denounced her just because she isn't blood. I would like to know how Nyx had the power to do that and how it bound Zag to the underworld. I also wonder if she did the same to Hades. Maybe the original myth tells this, but I want to know how he's bound to it and why. Also, apologies for the late reply; RU-vid is not sending me notifications of replies as of late.
Ah. It seems so obvious now. I feel like I should've known. Also "So help me, Skelly! If you don't tell me who you're working for, there will be no more violence between us, ever!" Such a golden line.
I love that this is, like, 100 hours into the game, too. And Skelly is such a minor character. They didn't have to do this. They did it because they truly care about their work and enjoy it. It's why Supergiant is the very best developer out there.
If you meet Hermes while using his Tooth, this dialog plays differently. They don't go "tell me", "no" over and over like hat, Skelly just says he's not snitching on his sources/contractors. After Hermes notes you're carrying a Tooth, which, "considering the overall weird circumstances, it's pretty weird, is it your own tooth?", Zag can talk to Skelly about that chat and he's gonna act up nervous about it and ask Zag to not out this info to anyone
It was actually very, VERY obvious who sent Skelly in there from the start. The Clue was always there: The coin in Skelly's Mouth, aka "Charon's Obdol". It is the "fee" the dead pay the Ferryman (Charon) to get a ride across Styx, but since Skelly still has his means that Charon hasn't taken his fee yet as he has a "task" for Skelly to do before he is done with him.
I just realized that Charon wanted persephone back, considering he takes both zag and her back to the underworld in the final ending, without being asked, just shows on up, this was all his plan from the beginning
Actually, Charon was asked, since there's dialogue when you talk to Persephone that mentions how she had been given Charon's calling card when she left the underworld, and used it when preparing to come back.
He probably had a vested interest in it but really Zagreus is the ***PERFECT*** repeat customer. He's always trying to escape and where does he inevitably end up with all those obals? Right at Charon's shop. When he gets to the surface? Those Obals are going to come back to him. In exchange for a skeleton that enjoys getting the marrow beat out of it to practice on, he's always got money in his pockets.
I like how the game alludes to Charon's enigmatic status in mythology. Charon has always been associated with the chthonic gods despite never being explained. He's just the boatman. Charon isn't born from another chthonic god either like Thanatos or Hypnos are. It's like Charon was always there. Like there couldn't be an underworld without him. And yet he acts as though he's just doing a job. He doesn't have a deal with Hades or any other god, he's just the boatman. People respect him because he does his job well, and they don't mess with him, presumably because if they did he could take them to Tartarus. In the game Charon feels similar to Chaos, in that he assists Zagreus from a neutral perspective. The gods assist him because they want something from him, but the only want Charon ever seems to show is a want for money. Charon just wants to be payed for his job. Maybe Charon is doing his job by helping Zagreus. Perhaps Charon recognizes that the family needs Zagreus to escape, and so he uses his surprising amount of power to help that goal. I love Charon. I almost immediately got him to max hearts, and I just wanted to honor the character with this little comment analysis.
would you believe me if this scene right here, convinced me to buy the game? was watching someone stream, then got to this point, and I was on the floor laughing. then bought the game.
Fun fact! This conversation wasn't scripted at all. Instead, SuperGiant developers eavesdropped on Darren and recorded him talking to himself inside the studio's broom closet.
I got to this point in the game and lost myself with laughter when the dialogue just continued in to a back and forth banter! Thank you so much for putting up this comedy gold!! 🤣
I mean, I think he wants to be hit. He collapsed and told Zag the truth when he declared non-violence against him(It breaks any Masochist), so it checks out.
@@thecookiemeister5374 I do not think Charon minds. I fought him for the first time the other day and after the run I talked to Nyx and she said not to worry about him. Said something along the lines of him enjoying getting to fight. Or at least not harboring and negative feelings towards Zag.
Well. I guess he had to use some connections, pull some strings to get Zagreus to Persephone. It's not like he could just get away with simply ridding him towards her, obviously there is only so much he can do and...we wouldn't get such a game, if he just did that
Hades has nothing to do with secrets, except when it's important. He only lied to Zagreus about his mother because he was too worried about Olympians' reactions. He lied in order to protect the Underworld and other Chthonic Gods.
Ok so I've never played hades, i just know of it cause i like Greek mythology so it was naturally in my radar, plus i really like the soundtrack and listen to it from time to time, but i clicked on this just out of curiosity and was NOT PREPARED FOR HOW ATTRACTIVE ZAGREUS VOICE WAS
For me I always carried Skellys gift, the tooth, and when I interacted with Hermes he brought up the tooth and it made me think "maybe its Hermes who hired the bone lad" nah its fuckin Charon
Yeah Hermes would have made sense as well since he is the bridge between the two realms. But since he and Charon are so closely linked I would imagine they plotted it together.
There is the Noclip video where Darren Korb reminds himself not to accidentally do Zagreus' lines in Skelly's voice. xD ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rNaTxFf7McU.html , 16:50
Reminds me of Yugioh the Abridged Series Evil Tristan: You couldn't imagine the monster that lurk in my deck. Pharaoh: Tell me! Evil Tristan: You'll find out. I'm about to summon it! Pharaoh: Tell me! Evil Tristan: No! I'm not going to t- Pharaoh: Tell me! Evil Tristan: What is this guy's problem? Joey: Nyeh, you should probably just tell him. He can be very insistant. Yugi: You'll never guess what I got you for Christmas, Pharaoh! Pharaoh: Tell me!
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