The System Behind Hades' Astounding Dialogue 

[Groaning Noise]

Hhhhrrnnnggggggg

Gnhhhhh fahhhhhh grrrr dyyy

Classy guy.

W h a t

same, I have 40 attempts and only got past Meg once, it's getting embarrassing

@@susannam3923 you have nothing to be embarrassed about. The controls are quite challenging and if you are a non gamer who likes games like me, then you will need your time to get around it and develop a playing style that suits you. In my case I started holding the controller in a weird position so I can spam attacks to get through lol. Also, I tend to get overwhelmed too quickly in encounters once the number of foes increases to a degree in the same room and that can be really hard to deal with. So take your time it's worth it, and every time you die you get to have some cool chats, so it's all cool. Sorry for the wall of text though

This is something us slow players have over people able to single-run this game. WE GET ALL THE BANTER

@@ink3539 more banter more fun 👏

@@D9992. Trust me, there is no rush. Actuallly, i'd even say you're more likely to enjoy the game playing it slower than you would other games

lucky you

@@NickiRusin *wheeze*

So's Thanatos.

i am deceased

Yeah Thanatos x Zagreus is such a cute ship

I got something like that too today. I was trying to max out the keepsakes and switched to Aphrodite’s, but I didn’t necessarily want her boons at the moment so I went to a Hermes door instead. Hermes then told me “Aphrodite’s running a bit late!”

And i love how after a fair amount of hermes butting in you trying to get a certain god from keepsakes he asks you if you want him to be silent for a while

for some reasons god keepsakes do not work in asphodel

@@rainboi5920 because thats when hermes starts to show up and he can override the keepsake to show up at the time hes supposed to in the run

@@Camnose so.. he just outran them?

In Stardew valley defence It was made by only 1 person For music, character art, dialogue, etc

@@ArariaKAgelessTraveller Don't get me wrong SDV is incredible, but much like it's influences the dialogue can be a bit rough at least Concerned Ape has an excuse Natsume definitely doesn't lol

@@Lucarioguild7 i mean, rune factory still has a ton of dialogue, you could go a full year in rf4 and every day there's new topics that will be discussed between villagers.

@@sonicfraisheya4028 rf is decent, still no where near this level and there's definitely still a lot default dialogue

I think more so than the games you mentioned, games like the TellTale games are the ones that really need to take note. It was fun playing those games and feeling like your choices mattered initially, but I felt cheated and never went back once it became clear that any life or death choice just meant whom ever you saved was guaranteed to die later to get you back on the track.

Vocal fry simulator

[ASMR, Unintentional] Megaera calls Zagreus a crawling worm not fit to lick her boots

I was vaguely interested in the game until I heard her voice which immediately shot it up to the top of my queue.

My friend cant stand her, says she has too much "mouth sounds", to which I replied "all speech is mouth sounds".

Everyone's VA is fantastic

wait, are you saying the dialogue changed because you skipped theseus' lines???

​@@marigolden_mariposaunfortunately no, Zagreus will start saying it after Zagreus has fought Asterius solo enough times. It's to signify that they share some kind of formality if not friendship by now where he simply hates Theseus.

Lol? There's dozens

I just don't like those dogs.....they're mean. There like chihuahuas but.....more

there is though.

The are whippets, sooo cute

I give it an A+

The Ship of Theseus dilemma: if a ship is gradually replaced piece by piece, does Theseus still remain a piece of shit?

All my homies hate Theseus

I mean Theseus being the worst is taken directly from the source material

I have a love/hate relationship with Theseus personally... in that he’s such a piece of shit that I love him, and I love that he and Asterius are an item

@@laurenbastin8849 item?

Oh wow, I never turned off the timer again! I'm turning it off on my next run for sure.

For me he commented when I activated only the move speed + attack speed pact of punishment trait.

@@lhmsc I haven’t touched that one yet! It seems kinda OP lol But I’m only at about heat 9 with my best weapons (shield and bow), so I’ve got time before I have to turn it on 🤣

@@tobistein6639 I'm still at heat 5 and I always use it cause it gives you 3 heat for only 20% atk speed and move speed increase. For me it's one of the easiest ways to get 3 extra heat.

How do you turn on the in-game timer? I'm on Switch.

Let us give Asterius gifts!! XD

That's a DLC i would pay for.

@@hypersapien What's that? A THESEUS DLC? Right away! :D

@@FlickTakFlakAttack He would steal the glory like that

HE DOES!

Literally nothing would fuck with my brain more than that, I came here to roleplay and progress the story, I even run around the halls looking for ghosts to listen to and double-check if anything else has appeared to do..... now nectar-giving and romancing are different, I prioritized among characters based on my resources, but still :'D

@@Nemamka I once got a second dialogue option without doing a run in between after entering my room and going back into the main hall, and ever since I have always gone back and forth double-checking every character to find more dialogue. Never has happened again, though you can always check the "employee of the month" poster again, Zagreus just doesn't say anything the second time.

@@dig8634 oh gosh yes that too! and ever since Skelly said to write things down... well alright no need to tlel me twice I start every escape with a whole agenda :'D

I love contemplating the blatant absurdities in possible player behavior haha. Back in one of my projects, (fire emblem-based, for those who know the series) there was a character who you could recruit from a neutral team, but *technically* wasn't required to be recruited. You could just completely ignore her when she showed up or just never trigger her appearance condition at all. The side of the map she spawns on gets destroyed at some point and if you never recruited her she has an entire event where she would run away and auto-join you, and an extra bit to the scene if you never broke the part of the map that would normally reveal her. But my favorite part of her recruitment was that she had a low enough constitution that characters in the party could rescue her, aka *pick her up and carry her around* before actually talking to you. If you did this she'd actually trigger a conversation and confusedly go along with it for a bit before asking to be let down and that she kinda wanted to join up with you anyway, and if you still don't let her down she grows increasingly desperate over the next several turns before eventually giving up There was even an alternate scene for her recruitment proper if you for some godforsaken reason kept her rescued the entire time, because the chapter ends with you running off on a stolen boat and you basically just kidnapped this girl without explaining why LOL

TAmari Wow, I’m curious what parts of the programming you need to manipulate to make her comment on being Rescued like that!

Aha, thank you! Our first time trying to build a set, so I'm mostly glad it didn't fall down. Edit: Oh my god, "nailed". NICE.

WOW that's a good one, Pizza...

@@PeopleMakeGames I agree, you nailed the theme. The pomegranate decor and gag was also perfect!

GROAN

It gives me ContraPoints vibes

I had that dialogue earlier today!

Got it as well but proceeded to get hit since I wanted to best him haha

That's not even the craziest one imo

He's so goated 😭

Imagine Zagreus not getting hit while winning the competition. "What? You told me not to get hit."

The game just might have more patches coming in the future...

I was so pissed when I found out I couldn't romance Hypnos

@@TheVoidIsBees Could be cuz hypnos is zagreus uncle? Lmao

@@MsPillzhere But Thanatos is Hypnos brother, right? So why can you then romance Thanatos?

@@MsPillzhere Thanatos and Hypnos are twins and you can romance Thanatos

I KNOOOW

why is he a point of sale

Even funnier when you consider that Thesus was originally planned to be the main character

@@SjorsHoukes I hope that he returns in some way in the future I always interpreted his story as not him being a jerk (well besides helping his friend with kidnapping Helen and Persephone) but more like he just forgot Ariadne left the boat and then forgot to put the white sail up. Idk why I just find that so funny

​@@BelBelle468considering that he is the last line of defense against the Chronos Army in Elysium, he might be unable to appear at all. Too bad the axe doesn't have the aspect of Minotaur.

Thanks so much :)

Try 140 hours 🤣 Definitely my GOTY

I'm coming up on 60h and I haven't heard a line repeat even once. It's like a living breathing world with real people. Perfection.

@@Vrais23 and they do it all with like 3 animations per character

120 hours here. Still getting new lines xD

I'm 140hour in and it barely starts feeling repetitive, and by that I mean it start feeling like most rogue like I play just to get a quick game in, except it's the best of them. It's truely amazing how it managed to get me so hooked for the long that I ended up playing less of it cause I only wanted to play it while fully focused on it rather than what I usually do with games like that, playing a video in the background or something.

For real!!! The only reason it ever "felt" like a chore to me is my hands are just terrible at using controllers for long periods of time. Otherwise, I'd honestly be playing the game the whole day. Finally finished the true ending today with more or less 70 hours and I'm still thoroughly excited about the side quests in the prophecies as well as seeing how all the different boons interact with one another!!! The narrative plus the gameplay are tied so well together, it's amazing!!!

I'm just a little bit sad that she's ace because the idea of getting sucked off by a floating gorgon head is very, very funny to me.

She’s babey

Why I have crush on floating gorgon head that clean house 😑😐

@@Hermaniac8 what?! Is she asexual? :D That's AWESOME, dude, what are you talking about?! Representation MATTERS! I'm ace!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

maxing dusa myself. i just love hearing her speak.

Also, I played so much Hades I developed tennis elbow, so I've had to take a two week (minimum) break. Listen to your body and take regular breaks while playing video games, everybody!

Wow, I never even thought about the yarn having an interaction with them. I suppose that does make sense though, considering (if I'm remembering my mythology correctly,) Theseus used the yarn to find his way through the labyrinth when defeating the minotaur. These devs really did think of every little stretch case for the dialogue. Incredible work!

Yeah, and it's not just a one-off line either! I've had the yarn on me three times now while fighting him, and he's had different dialogues every time, including one where Asterius tells him off for badmouthing Ariadne. Don't know if there's any more yet.

Oh, wow! I've never heard of the Ariadne interaction before, I want to try it next time I'm playing

Yeah, I had a similar problem. I like my games hard, so I selected Hell Mode for my first playthrough. This completely screwed any and all priorities, as the first interaction I had with characters was them commenting about it, and on subsequent runs I would trigger important dialogue pertaining to the individual run that I was on rather than introductory dialogue, which then pushed out other dialogue. I had very little clue what was going on in the story, because the game felt it was more important to tell me how brave/stupid I was for picking Hell Mode or picking up a certain weapon or _dying_ instead of the important story beats I was encountering. The most extreme example from my game is Nyx commented on how I saved Orpheus from a certain fate about 8 or so hours after the fact, at which point I had given up caring because so many things had happened in the meantime. Not be a negative nancy, but because of this it didn't feel like the story had the correct pacing at all. I have completed several runs now, but don't know if I care enough about the characters to keep playing to the end, especially since the gameplay gets very samey once you have formulated winning tactics. Starting over on a lower difficulty would mean both repeated dialogue and basically no challenge at this point. I would have preferred another Bastion or Transistor or Pyre instead of a rogue like. The small narrative moments are really cool when they do work, but there is no story I know of that benefits from not having a rigid structure and Hades is no exception, unfortunately.

Choas is non binary. However I find it odd that you called them a he because I definitely get more feminine vibes from them.

@@savary5050 it's their most defining features IE the male physical characteristics

@@savary5050 it's their most defining features IE the male physical characteristics

@@augustuslunasol10thapostle what?

@@savary5050 chaos looks more masculine then feminine how can you not get that

I really apprreciated that, too! It took me longer to finish it since I have never been into roguelike games, I have close to zero experience with them. I always disliked the genre, but Hades made it so each failure rewards you with story content, which I feel is the perfect way to offset that feeling of losing progress. You may have lost the run, but you *always* progress in some other ways. And the charm downright dripping from the dialogue and characters certainly adds to that feeling a lot.

it makes me think of a friend of a friend who apparently beat the game in like 6 runs or something ridiculous like that, and my friend was telling me about it because "you miss out so much of the game if you're good at it!"

oh man, I beat the game in like 12 runs and on top of that I almost never care about dialogue and story in a game but Hades has such good story and dialogues that now I'm feeling bad for being an experienced gamer.

I beat it on my third run and my friend who hadnt beat it yet said there was so much dialogue I missed lol

I thought you said "arousing" for a split second, there... Not that that is incorrect, mind you.

I even thought this was a TEDtalk about HADES for some reason and that's a compliment because some animations for those videos are phenomenal, like this one!

I beat Meg on my second run and I don’t recall ever hearing that line in ~300 hours of gameplay, so I’m guessing not. I wonder if it applies to the other bosses as well?

Yup. Remembered it, that's why I use god mode now

Another interesting dialogue based on settings is when you use the timer and meet Hermes, he comments a bunch of things about it, like he thinks it's cool that you're timing yourself, a good habit to do so, how he had set a rule to stop the timer during dialogs and boom choices, etc

@@ArtificiallyIdiotic it’s really nice that they pause it during boom selection and dialogue. I don’t want to skip through the dialogue! And picking the right combination of boons can be make-or-break at higher heats.

I actually got it after the fourth or fifth time I died to Meg! Possibly less? I think it may have been in part to the fact that my runs on the first floor took 20+ minutes because I was playing very cautiously. Now it takes me about 40 for the full run through tops, but that's because I set God Mode to early and now I have like a 76% resistance haha!

I feel the only dialogue repeats are either gods giving you their boon or NPCs after you’ve absolutely talked to them about everything. Even if you don’t make progress at a standard rate, the characters will comment on that and either offer advice or encourage you. So that being said, there’s a whole other category of dialogue where if you keep dying and failing, you still get unique dialogue that you wouldn’t if you were to win every single time etc

Holy crap thanks for the tip

But if you leave the pact on for several runs she starts getting along with them.

Ooo, I almost used that example in the edit, but wanted something a bit shorter in the end! -Chris

I really need to finish pyre and play transistor. Also I think one thing that make supergiant games so great isn't just talent, it's the healthy dynamic the studio has. Turns out when you don't crunch and you make games out of love rather than trying to squeeze the most profit out of them you end up with better games!

Aren't some of the va just straight up employees and not necessarily pro vas?

You don't need to. From the first moment, HE WAS READY

Im 60+ hours in and i still havent seen the true ending (i presume whatever "the plan" mentioned in the list of minor prophecies is the true ending) u also havent maxed out all the trinkets, unlocked all the companion trinkets, filled out half of the prophecies and so on. There is so much content in this game, and i want to 100% it

hi folks, me again, just wanted to drop in and say that i'm now at 450 hours and am currently attempting to 100% the game on Hell Mode. just beat the final boss with 7 heat, no death defiances left and 8 health and i literally punched the air when i won! hades is the best game ever made

@@fauxrowsdower7610You playing hades 2?

Appreciated.

"It's all something to do with Al Gore's Rythmns"

i just noticed how rythmn technically has no vowels

@@swirltales6046y is a vowel, sometimes, as is in rhythm

That painting of our dog as Cerberus is probably the best thing that's happened to me in 2020. -Chris

Big agree! All the graphics of this video are fantastic. Especially the tree from pyres structure!!

Ha, the highest compliment! As I type this, Anni is in the other room playing Hades. -Chris

That was Anni! She's responsible for all of PMG's animations and basically everything else that looks good that's to do with the channel. -Chris

@@PeopleMakeGames yo anni is pog i was wondering why it looked like official hades art assets had been made for the video

@@PeopleMakeGames Thank you Anni for making this video as fun to look at as it was to listen to!

Disco Elysium is basically all dialogue though, with a lot of text delivered at once. On Hades you spend most of your time fighting enemies.

Not only that, but most of the game is fighting wretches, not really talking, even though you do that occasionally during your travel. I could say about 30-40% of the game is talking.

Some class right here. You may escape yet

He snarks at literally every cosmetic purchase I love it

There is a CC button in the corner now...

hi Deaf, i'm dad

I used to make captions in both english and portuguese for videos I liked in youtube. Sadly youtube killed community captions :/

@@SpaghettiEnterprises youtube's automatic captions are super inconsistent. in this video they're not too bad (although still not very readable) but honestly for a channel of this size it doesn't really make sense for them not to have some kind of written subtitles

youtube better bring back community captions dear god. also yeah, can you please add written captions or a way for people to contribute them?

It’s imperfect because I just want to trigger dialogue on the Patroclus sidequest so Nyx will mention where that file is but Achilles hasn’t showed up for THREE RUNS STRAIGHT, PLEASE But that said, I’ve played all the way through to the Epilogue on Game Pass, and I just bought the game on Steam because I wanted to play through it again and also I felt I should pay for it given the time I’ve already spent.

Necrothreadia here, but one decent moment in his entire afterlife does not even begin to make up for how awful he is.

Could be that they’ve not lost as many runs/finished quickly, so they’ve not gotten a chance to make as much progress on the plot

@Shasvin Puvanesvaran You can be insulted he's in your same category. A true moral offense.

@Shasvin Puvanesvaran I mean, most of the Greek gods were creepy rat bastards, so he's not much of an outlier there.

Theseaphobic

@Shasvin Puvanesvaran He kidnapped Helen at 12 so he could marry her after 4 years of being his prisoner soooo

@Shasvin Puvanesvaran helen, also know as helen of troy😂

What, what do you use?

@@murasakinokami9882 fingers usually

Came here to say this. No surprise "this didn't work out as intended".

@@murasakinokami9882 A spoon but you don't eat a pomegranate directly like a kiwi fruit or an avocado. You remove the seeds by hitting a sliced pomegranate with a wooden spoon over a bowl. Then you eat those seeds with a spoon.

Nah, the way to do it is you slice it into wedges, with a bunch of seeds exposed, then you eat each seed

Be warned...it is SUPER FUN! I couldn't put it down the first week I got it, and I don't usually go for rougelikes in general. Much more of a strategy or slow paced action RPG person, but the fast pace was addictive.

I envy you for getting to experience it fresh =)

I was on the fence about it but this video has convinced me too.

Just read a book. The gameplay is absolutely not up to snuff, you'll be seeing the same dozen levels and enemies over and over. If you don't care about watered-down mythology; if you'd like a fun game to play, don't buy this overpriced trash.

@@Z4Zman as with transistor, this game gets good once you've gotten far enough. The meat is learning about which skills to mix together to create an amazing character. But also as you progress the enemies change, new ones get added, and the ability to make the game harder by choice arrives. Sorry you didn't like it mate.

Did you report it to Supergiant? They might get around to that

So... theseus is a furry... checks out, even I can see the chemistry with asterius and theseus.

@@josh___something i mean, Asterius was conceived of a furry who commissioned a fursuit in order to romance a bull. Furries are not unfamiliar territory for him.

@@chiliwithonel While I wouldn't call a bull statue with a secret compartment where the privates are a "Fursuit", fair enough.