In the comics, Dr. Doom is the beloved king of a small eastern European nation who is also a genius, wants to take over the world, and walks around in a metal suit unironically shouting "I AM DOOM!" Why the hell would you ever change anything about that character?
They could have committed to the Cronenberg body horror back story and the sequels are them trying to include humor and camp to rehumanize themselves and gain social acceptance
@@rhetiq9989 yeah its funny because "tom cruise is in it" can basicly sum up some movies entirely lol its like thats all they have. This type of movie would be good to refer to this way. Like jack and jill is that adam sandler movie. Nuff said
Remember that they also wanted to make a cinematic universe from the Fantastic Four and the X-Men before Disney bought them up. Which, honestly, Josh Trank's original script might have been more conducive to that kind of idea, but they fucked it all up. And then Disney sucked them up, so at least this property might be put to proper use now, unlike X-Men which will be so awkward no matter how they try and handle it.
***** Incredible isn't like FF at all really. The only comparison people can really make is the super powers, there's 4 of them and that both are family orientated. FF is all about men and a woman assuming the role of super powered beings and going public and becoming world famous super hero icons. The incredibles are about super heroes taking the roles of everyday people trying to fit in with society. Almost nothing about their relationship dynamic and background are at all the same. I will say Dash does share a little similarities to Johnny Storm, but nothing too noticeable Nothing about their stories/adventures, characters, character interaction, family dynamic, or live as a whole is similar to FF. As a matter of fact I challenge you to state ways they are similar besides what I pointed out. You can't slap the FF characters faces on the incredibles and say it's a perfect adaptation.
***** "is still more faithful as an adaptation than the actual Fantastic Four films' The Incredibles are an original concept and like you said it borrowed from other great works of fiction. So it's not an adaption. It's easy to create completely new ideas, because fans won't whine about the source material. However these FF movies are god awful I think we all agree.
Travis Maz Perhaps. It's not one of the normal producer creds though. But Matthew Vaughn was a normal producer on the movie, which makes me believe that there was once a much better version of this movie.
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I'm sure someone already mentioned this, but this film was based on Ultimate Fantastic Four, which definitely had body horror elements, rather than the 616 team.
It’s interesting to hear Mike say it’s tough to know what to do with Fantastic Four when the obvious answer is “Star Trek”. Exploration and problem solving are at the core of Fantastic Four too. Whether or not that would be successful, different story.
j Hughes The point isn't them being the same, silly sausage, the point is that The Incredibles is the closest thing there's ever been to a decent Fantastic Four movie. The Incredibles is only vaguely similar to the Fantastic Four, it's just that every Fantastic Four movie is so bad in comparison to The Incredibles that there's more similarity between The Incredibles and a hypothetical good Fantastic Four movie than there is between any existing Fantastic Four move and that hypothetical good one. I would have thought this was implicit.
Now that they mention this point about body horror, the Fantastic 4 COULD maybe work as a real, Cronenberg-esque body horror film: every character's power in this team has some physical element to it: three of them directly involve mutation or mutilation of the skin and bones. Contrast this against other Marvel superhero teams, where the powers are mostly mental (Iron Man's supersmarts, Professor X's mind reading), elemental (Magneto's metal control, Storm's..... storms) or magical (Thor's powers).
It's so fucking bizarre to see someone discuss this movie like functioning adults. Where's the hyperbole?! Where's the claims that this movie ruined your life?! What the fuck is going on?!
Joshua Campbell Agree nice to see they dont just jump on the bandwagon, and gave the movie it's day in court, instead of a screaming review like chris stuckmann
As a fan of the original comics, a dark Fantastic Four movie is sort of like a drinking cup/pasta strainer combo. However, I completely agree that IF you want to do that, you have to fully commit or it falls apart entirely. This could have been a weird but interesting film but it really seems like the studio killed it. Another Suicide Squad situation. If you're doing something bold, man up and jump in with both feet; otherwise, it'll definetly fail.
I didn't even realize this movie actually came out, I remember hearing a controversy about a black torch, but just assumed it got cancelled because I never saw an ad or commercial for it. Huh, so that's the power of advertising.
Diego Carnaval The dude had a mental breakdown on 4chan. He spent most of the shoot high as a kite or drunk as fuck. He totally trashed the luxurious accomidations for him causeing $100K in damages. Spilled spaghetti all over Twitter. Abused staff members. He gave Michael B. Jordan the role of Johnny Storm out of fucking cronyism. He threatened to beat up Jeff Sneider for exposing what a fucking turd Trank is. Most of what made Chronicle good was the work of Max Landis. He's burned bridges and shown that he's nothing but a worthless fuck up. Fuck him.
Diego Carnaval Most of the on-set meltdown stories sound like your typical made-up sensationalism, but I'd bet that if your movie had been mutilated by the studio 90% of the commenters here would've got drunk and smashed shit too.
Fantastic Four needs to be set in a colorful, swinging 60s - campy but updated technical stuff - a la Austin Powers. Campy, cheesy, colorful and fun. (not that they weren't handled perfectly by Venture Bros).
You have to give them credit for consistently ruining Doom’s origin. He’s not a biofreak. He’s a scientist, expert magician and leader of a sovereign nation, his willpower is so strong he marches into Hell to pimp slap the devil demanding that Doom’s mother is released and he gets away with it
You can make something cool even though it's goofy. Monkey D. Luffy has great moments where he asserts himself as a character with authority and integrity while stretching his arms, legs, and even neck, during fights with cat-people, droopy-ear lobed Eminem look-alikes, and flamboyantly dressed flamingos. It's all about the contrasts. You do the goofy stretchy guy, and then you put him in a situation where he needs to rise to the challenge, and then you make him explode with competency. The problem with doing semi-realistic, gritty stretch guy is that there's not contrast in the character since he goes from bland normal guy to silly stretchy guy.
Plaguesque It's not bullshit, fuckface. When Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created the Fantastic Four, they based them each on the four elements. Mr. Fantastic is Water.
@@peteyoung3124 Yeah, I had never noticed it myself but then I read an article about the creation of the Fantastic Four somewhere and they mentioned that.
I mean I think whiplash is one of the best movies I've ever seen. It makes me feel like crap to watch it because ill never work that hard at anything, but it's so good
Chris K You say that as though it's an objective fact. I think declaring one movie as "the best" is ultimately stupid and meaningless. It's great, but Birdman, Boyhood, Grand Budapest Hotel and Nightcrawler were all just as good. I would even say Mr. Turner, The Babadook, Wild, Gloria, Leviathan and several others are just as good. Though from the movies I just named I think Mike and Jay have seen less than half of them. It's actually getting annoying how much they claim to defend the artistry of cinema, and then they never see any artistic films. Every year there's at least 20 or so truly great artistic films, and they only see 3 or 4 that reached mainstream popularity. But they're always sure to see EVERY major blockbuster and do a full review on it.
Do you guys have anything intelligent or original to say? You just repeat all of RLM's opinions over and over again like parrots. It's annoying and childish. I have literally never seen an intelligent discussion on any of their videos or on their website. 95% of comments just quote the video, say how terrible new movies are, quote their Star Wars review, or say "It took 12 years to make." In the 5% of comments where someone tries to make a point, have a discussion, or disagrees, he is replied with quotes from the video, quotes from the Star Wars review, or quotes from their ridiculous Boyhood review. Please try to form an original thought.
The issue with this movie isn't how dark they wanted it to be, and the issue with the 2005 movie isn't how silly it tried to be. Both interpretations can make good films, you just also have to execute it well with a good story and interesting characters. I think it's a little ridiculous to think superhero fans can't handle something a little different given how many different stories have been told in comic books, it just needs to be done well.
+TheTrueChuster This comment was pasted on every goddamn review I ever saw of this movie but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you came up with it first.
Most accurate thing said was right in the beginning. Doctor Doom is an amazing character in the comics. Maybe one day he can get that Joker level treatment and the complexity of the character can be captured onscreen.
@@Bit2brain But then what's the point, right? If we call him Victor the entire time, doesn't that kinda remove part of his appeal? Yeah, it's goofy, but so are the Fantastic 4.
@@Miriam_J_ Keep some mystery and emphasis on the evolution of the character until the big reveal at the end. How it’s put on screen is more important than just calling him Doctor Doom for two hours.
This movie pissed me off, because I was actually excited for it and it ended up being a pile of shit. I even kinda liked it in the beginning, and was thinking "Man, why was everyone so angry about this?" Then I found out.
Aaron Large that was sort of like die another day for me, it started okay then when they get to the ice palace, this movie became one of the worst movies ever and i ended up feeling sick about the movie for a few hours
This movie came out before I had discovered a network for movie related news, so while I had heard bad things I didn’t know the extent or reasoning behind why people didn’t like this film. I figured it wasn’t for everybody. Walked into the theater excited and left feeling like I should ask for my money back. Now I don’t see films without first doing my due diligence.
I think the biggest problem for the movie was that it was a solid hour in before they were even introduced to their super powers. The first act was an hour long, then the second and third acts were the remaining 40 minutes.
***** Not much of one. It's like they spent a few minutes going over the "Cliff notes" for act two, then went into the last 20 minutes of "introduction to" then immediate "resolution of" Dr. Doom.
I wish they stuck with the science tone, would've been really original since no superhero movie really elaborates on the Metta. Their lack of a consistent, strong tone have people like me ( science/sci-fi nerd) and you (only wanna see superpowers) disappointed :(
LyingPrauses Only wanna see superpowers? That's a lot of assumption. I would have really enjoyed a strong sci-fi version of this movie as well, but the movie really didn't have any science fiction either. There was a small bit of "scientifical" gibberish about interdimensional travel that takes you to a planet containing "energy"... that has "power"... and nothing more specific than that. The first hour of the movie does not contain any more science fiction than it contains character development. It was a solid hour of plot mechanics to get you to the fight at the end. It was just bad all around.
"Dr. Doom is the top five greatest characters to ever come off of a comic book you know panel. He's one of the greatest characters ever conceived in the 20th century. He's, you know." Pure genius.
of course mike likes the plotline where a man is abandoned by there crew on a planet for a long time but then makes there way back as a changed man thats every star trek movie
Not too sound sappy, but today is my Birthday, I went to my favorite pub Hair of the Dog then to a Sanders rallly then came home for a night cap and saw a new redletter media. Just want to say Love the hard work you all put into these .
Every now and then I check back to try and watch this review, because the audio issues have kept me from watching it. They still aren’t fixed. It’s been years. I think I need to let it go 😂
I think this review is why I love Red Letter Media so much. They actually sat down and broke the movie down like adults instead of screaming and jumping on bandwagon to hate on it for the sake of it. *COUGH COUGH* STUCKMANN! *COUGH COUGH*.
