its odd bc he said it was the dumbest thing he's ever said but i mean most relievers are designated to get 3-6 outs so i mean technically its a perfect example
You did not use my absolutely scorching Prince Fielder take, nor did you use my blistering position/WAR take, therefore my new hot take is that Foolish Bailey is afraid of the tough questions and would never survive in a big market media environment
Bailey would never survive the more physical 80s and 90s era of baseball media, where players got to physically assault media members for having a dumb opinion
Yeah his MVP year should guarantee his candidacy he was arguably the best first baseman of the 2010’s him or Votto, so hopefully in a few years he’ll get his fair shake
Tommy John is why I personally like the Basketball Hall of Fame system. He (and Dusty Baker for that matter) 100% should be in for their contributions to the game. They are the people in baseball that large numbers of people will/do remember 30 years after they retire, and at it's core isn't that really what the Hall of Fame is about?
Dusty Baker I'd agree with adding in his non-playing accomplishments. But Tommy John hasn't done all that much outside of playing. I mean he didn't invent "his" surgery....
@NickRichardson He's referring to how basketball and baseball halls of fame differ as far as how high the bar is to get in. A basketball player who had an equivalent career to John (or Baker) would be a lock for entry without considering "contributions to the game" merits.
I see the Hall as being for heroes of the sport. Great stats, valuable contributions, and outstanding (relevant) character are all worth considering. On the other hand any serious rules or ethics violations should bar the player automatically. By all means you can still respect their skill, but please, keep them out.
No the Hall of Fame is for players that were damn near the best at their position at the minimum for basically a decade plus. Thats what a HOFer is. Thats why tmac & yao shouldn’t be in the basketball hall of fame like so many others the NBA threw in to be nice
I think that in a effort to make the hall more exclusive we should have a reverse ballot every year, where each writer is also mandated to vote 5 people OUT of the hall.
MBDTF > Yeezus > LR > TLOP > CD > 808s > Graduation > Ye > JoK Not ranked: Group projects and Donda. Donda will probably sit below TLOP but I'm not sure where yet.
My hot take is that Jeff Kent is a HOFer. He leads 2nd baseman all time in home runs, has the longevity a lot of people look for and was a good postseason performer. Plus he had the greatest exit speech on Survivor history.
@@bootmii98 if were being honest, most of the great players werent and I kinda doubt he was clean lol, but also since he never got caught (if he was juicing) or really even mentioned in the balco stuff/canseco book...etc Im inclined to give him a pass
Is it weird that I kinda like Foolish Bailey more than Foolish Baseball? I love the laid back approach in these videos, really gives out a comforting feeling while watching.
Tommy John should get in on the “Fame” part of the Hall. Because his name is now in the sport with Tommy John surgery. So that alone is enough for me but I see the Hall as a place not just for the best players but a place for those most important to the sport as well.
As an adjuster who works in bodily injury, my first thought was “sure you don’t want them to get injured, but what if theyre not hurt and just milk 3 months of chiropractor treatment?”
Accolades are funny to look at because you can go back from any year before 2000 and alot of the time the MVP, CY Young and Silver Sluggers are "wrong"
5:03 I chucked even as a football fan but also get a little sad because we lost John Madden this week and if anyone knew what they were talking about in who were/are the truly great players of the sport, it was that dude.
Love the idea of the HOF for baseball lifers like dusty baker or any other guys who had solid if not amazing careers but were also great managers or GMs, also would include pioneers in something like Tommy John. Never thought about it but these guys have left significant marks and have been there for huge moments in the game. Their names will always come up somehow I feel.
I’m with you on John’s case. He’s an 80 fWAR dude, and when you combine that with his status as a pioneer it’s an easy yes (especially compared to other famous accumulators like Moyer who ended up more around 45 fWAR).
One thing I feel people evaluating baseball today fail to take into account is, what was valued at the time the player was playing? So, today, it doesn’t matter how many innings a pitcher pitches, or how many wins he has. That absolutely mattered when Tommy John played. Sure, no one cares about a twenty-win season or 288 career wins. When Tommy John pitched, 20 wins was a huge number. 300 wins was a sure-fire Hall of Famer. John got to 288 DESPITE missing a year undergoing a primitive version of a surgery that now bears his name. One more year in the prime of his career and Tommy John is a 300-game winner. In my opinion, he has even more of a BASEBALL case to be made for Curt Schilling, who got to 216 wins in a time when wins still counted.
It would have been interesting if Edwin Encarnacion went on a Nelson Cruz type run going into his 40s and ended with 500 homers. It looked super doable after his 2019 season Also because I'm clearly a homer for the blue jays, John Olerud was robbed of 1993 MVP and should be in the hall of fame
Olerud only getting like 10% of the vote is completely shocking. Dude was pretty much great everywhere, weirdly seemed to be involved with a lot of winning teams, has decent counting stats.... I don't get it. Dave Steib and Olerud should probably be in the Hall of Fame.
@@adamthompson7104 Fun Fact: Olerud played only a handful of minor league games, and that was at the end of his career. So he actually went straight from the draft to the bigs.
I appreciate your honesty about the soul crushing monotony and regurgitation of the "creative" entertainment industry. Let me also add that I would be totally lost without that industry to distract me from the voices.
I have been to the HOF several times and I get chills when I enter into the hall with the plaques (like being on hallowed ground). The jackets are dope I agree!
Keith Hernandez. His numbers aren't flashy, but he was a feared hitter for his time. Not to mention they literally changed rules about defensive positioning (all players aside from the catcher must be in fair territory) to nerf him. Best defensive 1B ever? Probably. Add in a batting title, an MVP (shared... weird), and two gigantic World Series Game 7 hits (1982, 1986), and he's got a pretty complete resume.
The gripe with the Football HOF that I have is players on any All-Decade Team First or Second Team should be in the Hall of Fame at any position including Kickers, Punters, and Return Specialists. They do play the game.
Thank you for doing the Dimitri Petkovic voice from backyard baseball for the Omar Vizquel take because you are, canonically, a young adult Dimitri Petkovic revolutionizing the game through science
Not sure if I would put him in at the end of the day, but Joe Nathan deserves more consideration than he’s likely to ever get given that he missed the 5% barrier.
Also, the Accolades>Analytics take isn't that hot of a take. If the Baseball Writers give you a bazillion awards during your career and then they're like "ehhh....sure you have 224 Gold Gloves that we voted to give you but we, the very same people, feel like changing our standards now" you'd do a double take.
probably the most ridiculous exclusion that i can think of. if the 1994 season didn’t have a strike he would’ve had 500 home runs and been first ballot
Tommy John surgery was almost called the Brent Strom surgery too because he got it right after Tommy. Theres an interview Strom did with Collin McHugh on McHugh's podcast The Twelve Six podcast on Spotify you should definitely check out.
@@finnhobart9100 indeed he does pretty great listen. Go soak in all his episodes. Some great baseball guys and he did pitching ninja a while back before he blew up. Just a lot of great baseball stories.
14:20 I think there should be a separate wing in the hall of fame that is strictly based on postseason performance. Not full HOFers but Postseason HOFers
It’s pretty funny how Paul Goldschmidt was a big topic in this video, and well I think now we can all agree he’s a HOF if he was on the Olerud fringe at the time of this
If you focus exclusively on the "Fame" aspect of the Hall of Fame, i.e. mainstream popularity, you might as well induct a guy like Bo Jackson. He was The Guy in the 80's.
Terrible comparison imo. A DH simply doesn't play defense at all, not hard to understand why a RF with the same ofensive production as a DH will be more valuable.
@@Daniel-gw2tb But it’s not the DH’s fault the manager doesn’t put him in RF. You can grade and assess them only on their offense, so why should the “what if” of their defense even matter?
Didn’t expect to get a music hot take from Bailey this video, but I was pleasantly surprised and I agree completely. That albums not as good as it’s made out to be.
Here's a hot take for you, Johnny Mize was UNDERRATED by the writers and is much like Bobby Wallace via Red Schoendiest and Stan Musial Cronyism getting the right man in.
